Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644552]That was Zorn say F-U to Snyder. Why else would he make that stupid ass call? I thought it was funny and started laughing.[/quote]


We would he do it to make Synder look bad, only he looked bad.

That is like me shitting my pants right now at 36, does that make my parents look bad becasue they didn't potty train me correctly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;644550]I'm sorry but he's freakin TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! Haynesworth is as soft as BUTTER. I've never seen a professional football player that can only play one play and then take 4 off.[/quote]

1. Thats a GROSS Exaggeration.
2. The dude weighs 350 pounds. There's no way he can go full speed every snap. Statistically, when he's active, he's on the field more than any other defensive player except andre carter. DL players are rotated in and out constantly on every team in the NFL. Since they're generally much bigger guys, its necessary to keep them fresh. You just don't notice it as much on other teams because the cameras don't follow their every move as they do with haynesworth.

I won't say that Haynesworth has necessarily exceeded my expectations, but he's certainly met them. He's one of the few big-contract guys this team has signed in recent memory who's actually worth every penny.

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[quote=Mattyk;644422]Not much else to say, right?

I turned the game off early in the 3rd quarter. Not sure I've ever done that before.[/quote]

Me too.

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[quote=mredskins;644564]We would he do it to make Synder look bad, only he looked bad.

That is like me shitting my pants right now at 36, does that make my parents look bad becasue they didn't potty train me correctly.[/quote]

That's quite the analogy. LOL!

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Is there an explanation somewhere of exactly what they were trying to do with the swinging gate play?

I've watched it a dozen times now and still have no idea what the aim was.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

The giants team came in completely prepared; the redskins team was far from ready. This is the coaches' fault. The lack of execution from the players didn't help though.

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[quote=Mattyk;644555]Kind of a lame FU if that was the intent. I thought it made Zorn look like the ass, along with the entire team. [B]That's really a guy I would want as my HC.[/B][/quote]

really? i'm hoping you missed a word there

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;644562]I'm not really sure what games you're watching man.[/quote]

I'm not sure what YOU'RE watching.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;644592]really? i'm hoping you missed a word there[/quote]

I think you're missing the sarcasm

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=mredskins;644564]We would he do it to make Synder look bad, only he looked bad.

That is like me shitting my pants right now at 36, does that make my parents look bad becasue they didn't potty train me correctly.[/quote]

lol. i don't know, i mean why else would you make that stupid call? ny called a time out so just kick the damn fg. one of the worst calls i've ever seen and he should've been fired at halftime.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Not really trying to defend the redskins' performance last night, but I think there were too many distractions during the week (especially for the coaches).

There's not really any other way to explain how it went so bad so quickly from the last few weeks of playing well to the game last night.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;644191]Well this sucked...

[B]The First Drive[/B] Pretty much set the tone for the entire game. We were out-played and out-coached in every facet on that 10 hour, 100 play (sure felt like it) drive. They even ran the same play over and over again knowing we couldn't stop it. Truly embarassing

[B]Laron Landry[/B] Anyone else notice how he struggles in pass coverage?

[B]Pass Blocking by our Running Backs[/B]The offensive line was weak of course today. No denying their performance was sub-par. But they got no help at all, not even some chip blocks, from our running backs (and that includes Sellers). I've said it before and I'll say it again what we most from Portis at this point is that he's the best blocking back in football.

[B]Anyone who actually thinks DeAngelo Hall action's justified Brandon Jacobs taking a swing at him[/B] No one here really believes that. So we don't have to worry about that

[B]Jason Campbell[/B] I know the protection was pretty putrid today. But the numbers don't lie...he threw two horrible interceptions that were his fault. Plus, how is it that Collins comes in and fires off two deep passes? I'll tell you why, because he wasn't afraid to take on 3rd string DBs, even in tight coverage. I think JC will and should be re-signed but quit playing scared. Make some throws.

[B]Santana Moss[/B] Spins more balls than Liberace. Just stop already


[B]Having to work with a bunch of Giants fans[/B] Thank goodness most people are on vacation this week

I could go on and on here. We had the chance to really show something on national television tonight...and we did. Unfortunately[/quote]Let's not forget "The Swinging Gate" fake FG - perhaps the most putrid trick play that I've seen in 35 years of avid pro football fandom. I agree with Mike Wise that this appeared to be Zorn sticking it to Snyder.

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[quote=freddyg12;644559]We played our best games of the year w/out Haynesworth. He is obviously a beast & can beat anybody WHEN he's in the game. During that opening drive, he was on the sidelines when the g men were inside the 5. The guy just can't be counted on for much.

I really wonder if he has caused the D to regress overall. Think about this, you're playing hard every play making 1/10 of what he does, yet he comes out of the game about any time he's tired or 'nicked up.' Then he's got the audacity to say he's not being used right!

That's the reason some teams simply don't sign big name free agents, there is a chemistry transition. Look at every year the Skins have made a big splash in free agency, 00, 03, 06, 09. It hasn't turned out well that season. The only exception is maybe the D in 04.

Hopefully, next year AH becomes part of the team more. He really looks like an independent contractor right now. (I will give him props for sticking up for Hall, but isn't that ironic, he sticks up twice for the dude that also got a big contract. I don't think anyone else is sticking up for Hall.)[/quote]

signing a lot of free agents never works and over spending for one really never works. i think this will stop now that allen is here.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;644592]really? i'm hoping you missed a word there[/quote]

forgot to raise my sarcasm flag

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644593]I'm not sure what YOU'RE watching.[/quote]

i felt the same way as you but BHA makes good points i had the same conversation with credskins a few weeks back, and they are right he does play alot of snaps when he is in the game, he actually plays a fairly high percentage. i think what you are getting stuck on and so was i is that he got paid a shit ton and was most definitly over paid or atleast to much gauranteed, and the fact that he has the fake injuries to catch his breath. but if you look at the numbers there is no denying he plays hard and is in fact not soft

for the record i still don't like the guy, but the player is growing on me

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Mattyk;644603]forgot to raise my sarcasm flag[/quote]

that would be a geat smiley

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

ok, I didn't expect us to beat the giants, but I also didn't expect us to lose this badly either. Jason Campbell played like how I've always know him to play, scarred and conservative. I LOVE and completely agree with Smootsmacks statement about how Todd Collins went in the game and just slung it down field, where as jason is the screen dump off short passes type.

Laron is awful, I love how when he came out of college everyone was like "He's the next ronnie lott,... he didn't allow a touchdown catch his senior year" yeah well he's an NFL junior and he's allowed probably more TD's he allowed in college all his career, just in this season alone. Either move him to SS or trade him.

Anyone notice that last night all Eli threw at was Landry, Smoot, and Tryon, and Orakpo but he's really a DE and he's a rookie so I'll let him go on this.

Our D-line got 0 pressure on Eli last night. He had all day to throw on us last night. Daniels better be long gone next year, as should Wynn.

Our OL played poor, but not awful, most in part to Jason who held on to the ball way to long.

Fred Davis continues to impress me. Moss needs to go, he's lost lots of speed, but like Smootsmack pointed out he sure can spin that ball after he gets 5 yards.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Beemnseven;644235]Well, they're the third best team in the division right now in terms of wins.

ESPN just ran a stat: Redskins are 15-32 against the NFC East since 2002. That's a pretty big gap if you ask me.

We aren't anywhere close to threatening this division.[/quote]So that means that if you throw out the 5-1 fluke of 2005, we are 10-31 in all other division games since '02. That is Detroit Lions and Richie Kotite-Jets bad.

I'm hoping that Campbell's pummeling led Bruce Allen to the immediate conclusion that the O-line [B]must[/B] be addressed early and often in the draft. I would argue strongly that both the 1st and 2nd round picks should be O-linemen. Vinny would probably draft another TE or WR if he was the highest rated on his board.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Mattyk;644434]Can't say I'm really surprised that the team folded last night. Did I see it coming? No. But in hindsight I think the signs were there for a potential collapse.

Vinny stepping down, Allen coming in, Shanahan in the rearview, rumblings of coaches on the staff interviewing for the HC job and the resulting dissention amongst the ranks of the staff, it's not a surprise we got smoked.

Finally, let's tip our hats to the Giants who came in and played like a team with a purpose. We were overmatched in every phase of the game.[/quote]

The Giants did play with a sense of purpose while we managed to turn in our worst effort this season.

Whoever the new coach coupled with Bruce Allen, have a tremendous job on their hands to get this team back to respectability.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

I am glad i didnt watch the game now. Zorn if he had any chance at coming back it is so gone.

That fake field goal play will forever be on the "Stupidest plays ever list" from here to eternity. Then you add that lame ass explanation That the Defense had great exacution thats why it didnt work. Thanks you DUMB FUCK!!

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;644607]ok, I didn't expect us to beat the giants, but I also didn't expect us to lose this badly either. Jason Campbell played like how I've always know him to play, scarred and conservative. I LOVE and completely agree with Smootsmacks statement about how Todd Collins went in the game and just slung it down field, where as jason is the screen dump off short passes type.

Laron is awful, I love how when he came out of college everyone was like "He's the next ronnie lott,... he didn't allow a touchdown catch his senior year" yeah well he's an NFL junior and he's allowed probably more TD's he allowed in college all his career, just in this season alone. Either move him to SS or trade him.

[B]Anyone notice that last night all Eli threw at was Landry, Smoot, and Tryon, and Orakpo but he's really a DE and he's a rookie so I'll let him go on this.[/B]

Our D-line got 0 pressure on Eli last night. He had all day to throw on us last night. Daniels better be long gone next year, as should Wynn.

Our OL played poor, but not awful, most in part to Jason who held on to the ball way to long.

Fred Davis continues to impress me. Moss needs to go, he's lost lots of speed, but like Smootsmack pointed out he sure can spin that ball after he gets 5 yards.[/quote]

It's called game planning. They had one, we didn't.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

what the hell was Wynn doing on the field last night? has he played at all this year? and what is Blache thinking suiting him up? wtf

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644632]It's called game planning. They had one, we didn't.[/quote]

Zorn might have been occupied with making Snowmen and Snowangels.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;644632]It's called game planning. They had one, we didn't.[/quote]

We had a game plan that's called "fantacy football" experimenting with the unexpected.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Although it got ruined by the timeout, I actually thought that the fake field goal was a decent design. Yoder, not Albright, was the long snapper, and because of the formation he was an eligible receiver. I think the idea was to confuse the G-men with massive movement on the left of the formation and then throw the ball to Yoder out on the right. It could have worked - but not once the Giants call a timeout and prepare for it. The element of surprise was lost. When the Giants called timeout we should have called off the fake.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

Zorn says in his press conference that after seeing the video, in retrospect he would have gone for the field goal. But he also said and I'm kinda paraphrasing (but not entirely)-the call was so clever it forced the Giants to take a time-out.

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[quote=Mattyk;644434]Can't say I'm really surprised that the team folded last night. Did I see it coming? No. But in hindsight I think the signs were there for a potential collapse.

Vinny stepping down, Allen coming in, Shanahan in the rearview, rumblings of coaches on the staff interviewing for the HC job and the resulting dissention amongst the ranks of the staff, it's not a surprise we got smoked.

Finally, let's tip our hats to the Giants who came in and played like a team with a purpose. We were overmatched in every phase of the game.[/quote]

Took the "72" out of your username? Feeling your years a little? :)

I agree that the signs were there. I heard on the radio today that Kelly Johnson of Comcast reported that throughout the week of practice last week several players asked her off camera about Mike Shanahan. So there were definitely big distractions.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;644570]That's quite the analogy. LOL![/quote]


Thanks, we are potty training my two year old right now. So it is foremost in my mind.

Espically so when say you are in Target at 7:30 on a Monday Night and you want to get home to see the Redskins play and your son decides it is a good time just to piss himself, grrrrrr...parenting got love it. =)

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=Lotus;644642]Although it got ruined by the timeout, I actually thought that the fake field goal was a decent design. Yoder, not Albright, was the long snapper, and because of the formation he was an eligible receiver. I think the idea was to confuse the G-men with massive movement on the left of the formation and then throw the ball to Yoder out on the right. It could have worked - but not once the Giants call a timeout and prepare for it. The element of surprise was lost. When the Giants called timeout we should have called off the fake.[/quote]

Well the second attempt sums the Redskins motto for the year. Our oline is not performing so will just put them far left and maybe the defense will be so from the passer maybe he will have enough time to pass with them over there.

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[quote=Longtimefan;644626]The Giants did play with a sense of purpose while we managed to turn in our worst effort this season.

[B]Whoever the new coach coupled with Bruce Allen, have a tremendous job on their hands to get this team back to respectability.[/B][/quote]

I think in the last few weeks minus last night's game, the redskins have showed that they can be more than respectable. But they just need to come prepared, focused, and play with effort. Funny how that makes all the difference in the world.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;644645]Zorn says in his press conference that after seeing the video, in retrospect he would have gone for the field goal. But he also said and I'm kinda paraphrasing (but not entirely)-the call was so clever it forced the Giants to take a time-out.[/quote]
Yeah, that really hurt them with only 2 seconds left in the half.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;644645]Zorn says in his press conference that after seeing the video, in retrospect he would have gone for the field goal. But he also said and I'm kinda paraphrasing (but not entirely)-the call was so clever it forced the Giants to take a time-out.[/quote]

the thing that gets lost on that play is how close the giants were to scring a td on that return if he would have cut back into the middle there was a damn good chance that could have been a pick 6

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[quote=skinsfan69;644593]I'm not sure what YOU'RE watching.[/quote]
I'm seeing Haynesworth making Carter look relevant again and making Orakpo look like the D-ROY. Also seeing that in the games that've been analyzed by others Haynesworth is taking 75-80 percent of the snaps in a line that's rotated heavily anyways.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;644607]ok, I didn't expect us to beat the giants, but I also didn't expect us to lose this badly either. Jason Campbell played like how I've always know him to play, scarred and conservative. I LOVE and completely agree with Smootsmacks statement about how Todd Collins went in the game and just slung it down field, where as jason is the screen dump off short passes type.
[/quote]

It did seem that if JC got the ball out as quickly as TC he definitely wouldn't have endured as many hits.

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[quote=skinsfan69;644632]It's called game planning. They had one, we didn't.[/quote]

And when teams game plan against these guys that shows us that we have a lot of weaknesses on our defense.

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Not sure what game some of you were watching, but I saw JC getting hit before he could even plant his foot on his third step sometimes. Not sure how much quicker you want him to get it out.

Yeah one of the knocks on him is a tendency to hold the ball, but last night was just a total breakdown in protection much more so than him not getting the ball out quick enough.

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[quote=Mattyk;644724]Not sure what game some of you were watching, but I saw JC getting hit before he could even plant his foot on his third step sometimes. Not sure how much quicker you want him to get it out.

Yeah one of the knocks on him is a tendency to hold the ball, but last night was just a total breakdown in protection much more so than him not getting the ball out quick enough.[/quote]
He definitely got hit way earlier than we should've let guys get through at times, but he also got hit a few times he should've found an option. I'd really have to go back and watch to see what type of ratio it was though. We would've had 3-5 late hit calls if it was Brady back there.

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[quote=warriorzpath;644659]I think in the last few weeks minus last night's game, the redskins have showed that they can be more than respectable. But they just need to come prepared, focused, and play with effort. Funny how that makes all the difference in the world.[/quote]

I agree....And I'm speaking not only about the play on the field but the lack of discipline and professionalism as well. The effort and intensity must not last for just a few games, it has to become a constant for the entire season. The pressure will be on Bruce Allen to produce early, and believing he shares a little of his father's wisdom "The Future Is Now."

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[quote=Longtimefan;644756]I agree....And I'm speaking not only about the play on the field but the lack of discipline and professionalism as well. The effort and intensity must not last for just a few games, it has to become a constant for the entire season. [B]The pressure will be on Bruce Allen to produce early, and believing he shares a little of his father's wisdom "The Future Is Now."[/quote][/B]

It's going to take time. We've got to get a whole new o line and you can't rebuild a line in one year. I just hope he brings in some professionals and some leaders. We need more guys like London Fletcher.

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[quote=tryfuhl;644702]It did seem that if JC got the ball out as quickly as TC he definitely wouldn't have endured as many hits.[/quote]

TC got hit every time he dropped back, even when he completed the pass to Moss.