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[quote=dmek25;657544]he said he would vote no, which is his parties stance. did he give any reasons why?[/quote]
Yea, because he saw how bad the health bill has been for Mass. that he voted for.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;657555]If someone offered you a shit sandwich, would you feel it necessary to give an explanation for declining?[/quote]
Now that funny.

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Here's an article saying we're headed for a [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html"]mini Ice Age...[/URL]

[quote]The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013.

According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.[/quote]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;657555]If someone offered you a shit sandwich, would you feel it necessary to give an explanation for declining?[/quote]
if it was part of my job, then yes, i would explain. he gets paid to explain his stance on the issues

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[quote=dmek25;657796]if it was part of my job, then yes, i would explain. he gets paid to explain his stance on the issues[/quote]

Well it would seem all of those voters disagree with you. Oh well?! I'm just saying?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;657800][B]Well it would seem all of those voters[/B] [B]disagree with you[/B]. Oh well?! I'm just saying?[/quote]
what are you talking about? im saying he didnt explain his stance. are you saying he is just listening to the people?

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[quote=dmek25;657796]if it was part of my job, then yes, i would explain. [B]he gets paid to explain his stance on the issues[/B][/quote]

has he been asked,if so, did he dodge the question?

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i don't know? everyone around here was just glad that a Rep. won. no one was talking about his stance on the issues

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[quote=dmek25;657860]i don't know? everyone around here was just glad that a Rep. won. no one was talking about his stance on the issues[/quote]

if he can help prevent obamas health care bill from passing, then i too am glad he won.

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[quote=dmek25;657802]what are you talking about? im saying he didnt explain his stance. are you saying [B]he is just listening to the people[/B]?[/quote]

Imagine that?

He said his vote would be against Obama Care. That's pretty simple. The voters don't want it. They're already fed up with Romney Care, or so I've been told.

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[quote=dmek25;657796]if it was part of my job, then yes, i would explain. he gets paid to explain his stance on the issues[/quote]

No, our representatives get paid to REPRESENT our stances. In MOST cases, representatives should vote the way their constituents tell them to. Unless there is something completely hidden from public record (which there shouldn't be) and they need to vote against the peoples' will because of the knowledge of that, they need to listen to us. If they do vote against our intentions, yeah, they BETTER have a good explanation.

Considering how many Americans are against the ObamaCare plan, we can see that a lot of Senators ignored the public's will when it passes in the Senate.

Massachusetts was a backlash and not-so-friendly reminder that they are employed BY US to do what WE tell them to.

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[quote=dmek25;657860]i don't know? everyone around here was just glad that a Rep. won. no one was talking about his stance on the issues[/quote]
To be honest I forgot about this election until about two weeks before the election and he was making up ground on whats her name. I'm just glad he won to help stop this bad bribe everyone health care bill.

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[url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece]World may not be warming, say scientists - Times Online[/url]

[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html]Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits data not well organised | Mail Online[/url]

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So we have spent millions and millions of federal dollars for this reserch and this a$$ wipe treats it like trash. I thought science was only as good as its data to back up its conclusion. Oh, I guess that's not true with global warming.

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[quote=firstdown;663197]So we have spent millions and millions of federal dollars for this reserch and this a$$ wipe treats it like trash. I thought science was only as good as its data to back up its conclusion. Oh, I guess that's not true with global warming.[/quote]

Not the first and sure won't be the last thing that we waste millions on, including climate-based research. Let's take a look at health care, defense, welfare, etc and see where the real waste is going.

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[quote=tryfuhl;663297]Not the first and sure won't be the last thing that we waste millions on, including climate-based research. Let's take a look at health care, defense, welfare, etc and see where the real waste is going.[/quote]

We could broaden the category, and say let's look at government and see where the waste is going! Good thing we don't have to worry :rolleyes:

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[IMG]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ky1woe3hYa1qz4b32o1_400.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=tryfuhl;675341][IMG]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ky1woe3hYa1qz4b32o1_400.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

When you're offering green jobs, let me know. I've a few friends that [B][U]need[/U][/B] work. Until then . . . .

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675371]When you're offering green jobs, let me know. I've a few friends that [B][U]need[/U][/B] work. Until then . . . .[/quote]

I know a couple of guys that do consulting

tell them to look on their own, I'm having enough job issues

these could be things to come.. as are the other items on the list if you pay attention

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[quote=tryfuhl;675380]I know a couple of guys that do consulting

tell them to look on their own, I'm having enough job issues

these could be things to come.. as are the other items on the list if you pay attention[/quote]

You actually believe that rubbish. :laughing- We already have the EPA. Climate change is just a phrase the Robber Barrons use to fix prices. You probably believe that GE is for helping out the little guy too? :laughing-

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675400]You actually believe that rubbish. :laughing- We already have the EPA. Climate change is just a phrase the Robber Barrons use to fix prices. You probably believe that GE is for helping out the little guy too? :laughing-[/quote]

You've just taken the argument to another dimension.

You don't think that changes that might have less of an impact on the climate, increase domestic production, etc are beneficial, whether global warming is as pronounced as they say.. or not at all?

I don't get it.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675405]You've just taken the argument to another dimension.

You don't think that changes that might have less of an impact on the climate, increase domestic production, etc are beneficial, whether global warming is as pronounced as they say.. or not at all?

I don't get it.[/quote]

We already have an EPA to make sure the rivers are clean, children are healthy, and everyone breathes clean air. That's already the law. Let Dupont get caught dumping into the James; that's Federal time and millions in lawsuits, guaranteed.

Global warming and its new phrase, "climate change", is a ponzi scheme. It's like Coca Cola and Pepsi having a meeting to cut production while demand is high. What happens? The price goes up as does the profit. Coca Cola and Pepsi basically own the soda pop industry, so who's going to say anything? It's the same with the energy companies. It's basically a confederated monopoly. All they need is a Jolly Roger flag.

You actually believe that these dirtbags give two fat shits about you or me, let alone the freaking planet? They care about one thing, power. We're just numbers to them.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675405]You've just taken the argument to another dimension.

You don't think that changes that might have less of an impact on the climate, increase domestic production, etc are beneficial, whether global warming is as pronounced as they say.. or not at all?

I don't get it.[/quote]

I understand why you don't get it, because I can't explain it in a way that you will, because--- you fundamentally trust science/government. (yes I am making a guess about that).

If you realize that government is run by people, specifically people who want to guide (or control) your life, and they will use science as a new religion (science proves it, hence it must be so) to that end then you may start to see a reason why some people don't like ceding even more national rights to the world quasi -government or the world politicians.

It's not that the changes are in and of themselves bad, but instead that the motive behind them is covered over and made to look sweet, when there is a bitter truth behind much of it.

I am not saying govt should not exist, only that its authority and extent of control should be extremely limited. That is what our constitution as originally written created. It is not what our government - which sees 90+ year old men holding on to their powerful senate seats, or the federal government forcing the state, and thus the individual to abide by a restrictive law ie seatbelts (not a "bad" or evil law, but certainly restricting a decision that in and of itself has no bearing on our national security) - lives up to today.

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So much of the argument is outside of politics though. Politics do eventually if not instantaneously flood whatever cause, of course.

I will agree that motives can be at question, I'm a strange mixture of an idealist and a realist I guess that you can say. I'm more than aware that most decisions are made out of politics and outside of the greater good, it's unfortunate. Most of what I argue is more out of idealism.

I've argued for a youth movement in the govt as well as committees needing unbiased leadership, but who knows how many kinks that would throw into the balance.

The day that I see the end of bipartisanship will be the day that I lend more of my heart instead of my ear to the government, until then, who knows.

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It's been an early spring in my area, no global warming my A$$

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[quote=tryfuhl;675503]So much of the argument is outside of politics though. Politics do eventually if not instantaneously flood whatever cause, of course.

...[/quote]

Again, if science is put into an unquestioned pedestal, as many -but not all, climate change activists do, it becomes a dangerous tool for political means.

the neighbor on the street recycles, why? because its good for the environment. But now an equally cynical power arises, if a politician encourages recycling, than an opponent who doesnt -maybe on an economic principle, than the pro recycling politician is also pro world and the anti recycling opponent favors killing the world. but really what happens is no one is in favor of killing the world so now, rather than stand on a sound principle the opponent is forced to accept, and try to minimize what in principle they are against. This method can be used effectively until the underlying "science" is no longer questioned, because to question it, is to attack the global climate.

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[quote=Mattyk;675505]It's been an early spring in my area, no global warming my A$$[/quote]

I'll shoot that damn lying groundhog

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[url=http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/287706]IPCC underestimated Antarctic sea ice increase by 50%[/url]

[url=http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm]Growing Glaciers[/url]

[url=http://www.ecoworld.com/global-warming/the-real-facts-on-increasing-antarctic-ice.html]The Real Facts on Increasing Antarctic Ice[/url]

I lol'd:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaHiWDZRNY]YouTube - Preview: 'The Factor' Confronts Al Gore[/ame]

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THe whole spiel is global warming is man made and that is a total crock. THe best theory out is about how warming trends with the earth's temperature correlates with sunspot activity. Global Warming is way overplayed and is a tool to kill the US economy. Europe and the new economic giants of China and India pollute way more than the US does. Cap and Trade will just hinder US industry while the fat cats of US industry will still make billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ selling off their surplus carbon credits to China, Russia, India so they can pollute!!!!

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GW also causes earth quakes now>

[URL="http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-418853"]Earth Quakes Probably Due to Global Warming: U.S., Canada, California, Myrtle Beach on waiting list - CNN iReport[/URL]

And deadlier

[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/18/tech/main4191556.shtml"]Today's Quakes Deadlier Than In Past - CBS News[/URL]

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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Nearly 60 million people living around the Himalayas will suffer food shortages in the coming decades as glaciers shrink and the water sources for crops dry up, a study said Thursday.

But Dutch scientists writing in the journal Science concluded the impact would be much less than previously estimated a few years ago by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The U.N. report in 2007 warned that hundred of millions of people were at risk from disappearing glaciers.

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Ha ha ha Back in the day they used to get doctors to say that cigarettes were good for you.

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I thought we should fear flooding not drought. This Global warming is very confusing. First we must fear the heat, then its too cold, then its flood, then its drought, it seems to change to fit all weather.

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[quote=firstdown;705797]I thought we should fear flooding not drought. This Global warming is very confusing. First we must fear the heat, then its too cold, then its flood, then its drought, it seems to change to fit all weather.[/quote]

shhh, they'll hear you

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We have about an inch of global warming on the ground and its not even winter.

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[quote=firstdown;705797]I thought we should fear flooding not drought. This Global warming is very confusing. First we must fear the heat, then its too cold, then its flood, then its drought, it seems to change to fit all weather.[/quote]


Fear the cats:

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cats-not-cars-cause-climate-change/]Cats, Not Cars, Cause…Climate Change? | Breaking news and opinion on The Blaze[/url]

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A cute little pussy always causes global warming.

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Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/biggest-jump-ever-seen-global-warming-gases-183955211.html]Biggest jump ever seen in global warming gases - Yahoo! News[/url]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming.

The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

"The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing," said John Reilly, co-director of MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change.

The world pumped about 564 million more tons (512 million metric tons) of carbon into the air in 2010 than it did in 2009. That's an increase of 6 percent. That amount of extra pollution eclipses the individual emissions of all but three countries — China, the United States and India, the world's top producers of greenhouse gases.

It is a "monster" increase that is unheard of, said Gregg Marland, a professor of geology at Appalachian State University, who has helped calculate Department of Energy figures in the past.

Extra pollution in China and the U.S. account for more than half the increase in emissions last year, Marland said.

"It's a big jump," said Tom Boden, director of the Energy Department's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center at Oak Ridge National Lab. "From an emissions standpoint, the global financial crisis seems to be over."

Boden said that in 2010 people were traveling, and manufacturing was back up worldwide, spurring the use of fossil fuels, the chief contributor of man-made climate change.

India and China are huge users of coal. Burning coal is the biggest carbon source worldwide and emissions from that jumped nearly 8 percent in 2010.

"The good news is that these economies are growing rapidly so everyone ought to be for that, right?" Reilly said Thursday. "Broader economic improvements in poor countries has been bringing living improvements to people. Doing it with increasing reliance on coal is imperiling the world."

In 2007, when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued its last large report on global warming, it used different scenarios for carbon dioxide pollution and said the rate of warming would be based on the rate of pollution. Boden said the latest figures put global emissions higher than the worst case projections from the climate panel. Those forecast global temperatures rising between 4 and 11 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century with the best estimate at 7.5 degrees.

Even though global warming skeptics have attacked the climate change panel as being too alarmist, scientists have generally found their predictions too conservative, Reilly said. He said his university worked on emissions scenarios, their likelihood, and what would happen. The IPCC's worst case scenario was only about in the middle of what MIT calculated are likely scenarios.

Chris Field of Stanford University, head of one of the IPCC's working groups, said the panel's emissions scenarios are intended to be more accurate in the long term and are less so in earlier years. He said the question now among scientists is whether the future is the panel's worst case scenario "or something more extreme."

"Really dismaying," Granger Morgan, head of the engineering and public policy department at Carnegie Mellon University, said of the new figures. "We are building up a horrible legacy for our children and grandchildren."

But Reilly and University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver found something good in recent emissions figures. The developed countries that ratified the 1997 Kyoto Protocol greenhouse gas limiting treaty have reduced their emissions overall since then and have achieved their goals of cutting emissions to about 8 percent below 1990 levels. The U.S. did not ratify the agreement.

In 1990, developed countries produced about 60 percent of the world's greenhouse gases, now it's probably less than 50 percent, Reilly said.

"We really need to get the developing world because if we don't, the problem is going to be running away from us," Weaver said. "And the problem is pretty close from running away from us."

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So I guess we should have a milder winter this year. Break out the sunscreen.

I'll have to say my carbon foot print was smaller in 2010. So don't look at me.

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Sometimes I ride my bike to the liquor store.
[I]Take that[/I] carbon footprint!