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Gray's group was easily the worst unit on defense this year. He couldn't find a way to motivate Los, improve Hall's coverage, or keep Landry from acting like an insane person. I think it's hard to find reasons to promote him.

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[quote=skinsnut;652505]This blog link suggests that Zimmer is it...obviously bad writing

[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/1/5/1234599/shanahan-officially-in-3-reasons"]Shanahan Officially In; 3 Reasons the Redskins' Are a Franchise*Again - Hogs Haven[/URL]
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All that is is added speculation to the speculation that we already have. It basically said "Gray might not be good but Zimmer will be." derp..

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[quote=Dirtbag359;652709]These are the same players that went 4-12? Sorry, but I'll trust what the people from the outside decide.[/quote]
Agreed.. they pulled for Zorn and Gibbs 2.0 too.. and I think that things were a bit too soft then.

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I don't have any idea why they would be pulling for Gray after how bad the secondary was last season.

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So any other news on DC?

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I don't think Gray should get it. The secondary has declined the last 2 yrs, and I fault Gray for not teaching them how to fuckin tackle (HALL) or catch the damn ball Rogers, Smoot). I've said for 2yrs we need a true FS because LL isn't one. Hopefully we can sign one in FA (Collins) or draft one in the 4th. Let Gray walk, he was nothing but a tool to get Shanahan. LET HIM WALK

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[quote=Dirtbag359;652509]I'd like to throw Jim Mora's name out there now as a potential DC now that he is no long the head coach in Seattle.[/quote]

This sounds reasonable...this guy was a D coordinator before, not to mention he interviewed for the Skins head coach position before we settled on Zorn.
I bet Snyder would have hired him if he could instead of Zorn.

He obviously preferred to stay and try to get the head job in Seattle.
I just don't know how good his d coordinator stats are.
Do you?

I know Hasletts are so-so, Zimmers are really good...expecially recently. Gray's were ok but tended to get worse over time.

Does anyone have have stats on Mora's defenses before and during his reign?
Keep in mind...I am not saying Mora is a candidate for d coordinator...just interested in info in case he is acutally good...heck...he may be the 2nd best available for all I know.

But again, he is probably no improvement over Blache...which statistically is pretty good, even though I want a new guy too.

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High school kids tackle better than our DBs.

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This is a what have you done for me lately league, so I am going to assume that the best guy for the job is the guy who has put together a good d in cincy, Zimmer.

Gray hasn't done much of anything lately and his D's in Buffalo weren't Championship material. So let's get some fresh blood in here.

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Zimmer would be foolish to leave Cincy right now.
If I were him, I'd use the Skins as leverage to get a great extension in Cincy.
Remember, Zimmer just lost his wife, his girls need stability...his team is in the playoffs, the Skins are crappy right now...I'd take a lot less money to stay stable in his situation.

If he was to move right now..it would be for a head coach role...but that is really bad timing for him since he is now Mom and Dad at home.

My suggestion....don't get your hopes up for Zimmer. I'd be shocked if he came here considering the circumstances.

So who does that leave....I hate to say it, but I think Haslett is probably the easiest to secure from outside...which would probably mean our defense will go backwards a bit...same deal if we gave it to Gray.
It makes me wonder if we should consider keeping (dare I say it...) Blache.

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[quote=skinsnut;652816]Zimmer would be foolish to leave Cincy right now.
If I were him, I'd use the Skins as leverage to get a great extension in Cincy.
Remember, Zimmer just lost his wife, his girls need stability...his team is in the playoffs, the Skins are crappy right now...I'd take a lot less money to stay stable in his situation.

If he was to move right now..it would be for a head coach role...but that is really bad timing for him since he is now Mom and Dad at home.

My suggestion....don't get your hopes up for Zimmer. I'd be shocked if he came here considering the circumstances.

So who does that leave....I hate to say it, but I think Haslett is probably the easiest to secure from outside...which would probably mean our defense will go backwards a bit...same deal if we gave it to Gray.
It makes me wonder if we should consider keeping (dare I say it...) Blache.[/quote]

maybe...but if he needs stability and should spend more time with his kids then he should definitely not take a HC job. DC is no picnic but if he was HC he would never see his kids.

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[quote=skinsnut;652816]Zimmer would be foolish to leave Cincy right now.
If I were him, [B]I'd use the Skins as leverage to get a great extension in Cincy.[/B]
Remember, Zimmer just lost his wife, his girls need stability...his team is in the playoffs, the Skins are crappy right now...I'd take a lot less money to stay stable in his situation.

If he was to move right now..it would be for a head coach role...but that is really bad timing for him since he is now Mom and Dad at home.

My suggestion....don't get your hopes up for Zimmer. I'd be shocked if he came here considering the circumstances.

So who does that leave....I hate to say it, but I think Haslett is probably the easiest to secure from outside...which would probably mean our defense will go backwards a bit...same deal if we gave it to Gray.
It makes me wonder if we should consider keeping (dare I say it...) Blache.[/quote]

Maybe. But given the historical frugality of the Bengals, Snyder likely would win any bidding war. In fact, in such a situation we should all be grateful that we have Snyder on our side.

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[quote=Lotus;652857]Maybe. But given the historical frugality of the Bengals, Snyder likely would win any bidding war. In fact, in such a situation we should all be grateful that we have Snyder on our side.[/quote]

The way I like to think of Snyders recent turn around is like Happy Gilmore learning how to putt. Sure he's got the long drive but up until now he couldn't really putt. Now he has a complete game as an owner. Of course we'll have to wait and see to find out if this team is destined for a Super Bowl but we're certainly on the right track.

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Zimmer is not impressing me with his defense the last two weeks. Today they can't even stop the Jets from running the ball. It's sad.

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first let me say wassup to my fellow heartbroken skins, im new here but ive been watching the board for quite awhile, after watching a interception machine rookie destroy zimmers defense i think we need to evaluate him a little bit more before we annoint him the next buddy ryan

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[quote=Dirtbag359;652859]The way I like to think of Snyders recent turn around is like Happy Gilmore learning how to putt. Sure he's got the long drive but up until now he couldn't really putt. [B]Now he has a complete game as an owner. [/B]Of course we'll have to wait and see to find out if this team is destined for a Super Bowl but we're certainly on the right track.[/quote]

I agree except that I would like to see a demonstration of patience. I don't want to find out that Snyder is getting antsy early in 2011 or something. If we truly have the right FO combination going on, we need to be patient with it working.

There was the story about Snyder wanting to fire Zorn around the time of his 15th game, still in his first season. I do not think Zorn was the answer but I also do not think that Snyder was showing much patience.

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[quote=SBXVII;652861]Zimmer is not impressing me with his defense the last two weeks. Today they[B] can't even stop the Jets from running the ball[/B]. It's sad.[/quote]

Sad???? The jets have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL, they averaged 172 yards a game. Their offensive line is very good.

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I can't say that I really have a preference for a D-coordinator. At this point, anyone but Blache. Definitely not Jerry Gray. I wouldn't mind seeing us switch to a 3-4.

I just want someone aggressive. Who's the next Rex Ryan on the horizon?

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[quote=Defensewins;652890]Sad???? The jets have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL, they averaged 172 yards a game. Their offensive line is very good.[/quote]

#1. We should use the Jets draft stratdegy from a couple of years ago. They drafted Mangold and Ferguson in the first round. I thought Mangold was in the beginning of the second, but I may be wrong.

#2. Zimmer's line in Cincy has No where near the talent we have. I tend to think our D unit has much better playmakers and Z can use them more effectively. Would most of you agree that we have more talent on the defensive side of the ball?

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I would. You can only make so much out of what you've got. Did anyone see Ray Maualuga tonight?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;652966]#1. We should use the Jets draft stratdegy from a couple of years ago. They drafted Mangold and Ferguson in the first round. I thought Mangold was in the beginning of the second, but I may be wrong.

#2. Zimmer's line in Cincy has No where near the talent we have. I tend to think our D unit has much better playmakers and Z can use them more effectively. [B]Would most of you agree that we have more talent on the defensive side of the ball[/B]?[/quote]

hell yeah we do, the bengals are a group of good players with great coaching, if zimmer comes here it will be great coaching and great players, we would acually be a good d on paper as well as the feild

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[quote=53Fan;652970]I would. You can only make so much out of what you've got. Did anyone see Ray Maualuga tonight?[/quote]

Out for the year...I mean, before they lost.

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[quote=Son Of Man;652977]Out for the year...I mean, before they lost.[/quote]

Thanks. I was wondering because I thought he was having a pretty good year.

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[quote=53Fan;652970]I would. You can only make so much out of what you've got. [B]Did anyone see Ray Maualuga tonight?[/B][/quote]

Who would have thought that if two of USC's three 1st round LBs made the pro-bowl, neither would be Ray Maualuga? Not me.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;652966]#1. We should use the Jets draft stratdegy from a couple of years ago. They drafted Mangold and Ferguson in the first round. I thought Mangold was in the beginning of the second, but I may be wrong.

#2. Zimmer's line in Cincy has No where near the talent we have. I tend to think our D unit has much better playmakers and Z can use them more effectively. Would most of you agree that we have more talent on the defensive side of the ball?[/quote]

I Co-sign this

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[quote=GMScud;652980]Who would have thought that if two of USC's three 1st round LBs made the pro-bowl, neither would be Ray Maualuga? Not me.[/quote]

That was a hell of a linebacking corps at USC. I wonder if there has been 3 college LB's starting at the same time who went on to have as much success as these 3 have?

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[quote=GMScud;652980]Who would have thought that if two of USC's three 1st round LBs made the pro-bowl, neither would be Ray Maualuga? Not me.[/quote]

Word. Rey did play out of position since Keith Rivers is a vet MLB. Not sure what Cinci plans to do w/ Maualuga long term. I mean I think he'll be a monster in the middle but maybe he gets better at SLB too.

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All your Mike Zimmers are belong to us. Your defense are on your way to destruction. Make your time.

As for the Jets strategy of drafting Brick and Mangold together. Well it's hard to argue with the results. A 31 year old running back with 1,400+ yards and a 4th round pick with 500 yards. 2,700+ yards total rushing with a 4.5 ypc average is Terrell Davis territory.

I believe we could do the same thing with Okung and DuCasse. Still remember this is a team that easily could have gone 8-8 (I would say 7-9 but they proved the victory over Cincy wasn't a fluke), and they had the #1 defense in the league both in PPG and YPG. They'll be good long term thanks to Sanchez . Still it's funny how similar this team is to the 2001 Ravens.

The only thing that worries me about not taking a QB first is the possibility that we will not be picking in the top 10 for a while. Remember we don't have Zorn as our HC and Vinny isn't in the front office. You have a much better chance of finding a franchise QB here then you do later. Though as I've said before I will not complain if we go OL with our first 2 or 3 picks. Namely our first and second rounders.

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[quote=GMScud;652980]Who would have thought that if two of USC's three 1st round LBs made the pro-bowl, neither would be Ray Maualuga? Not me.[/quote]

well rey was a 2nd round pick and was the lowest drafted of all three, so it shouldnt be too much of a shock. all 3 are great players though, you are right.

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danny will put up enough money to get whoever shanahan wants, its that simple. theres too many people out there to make a stab at it. whoever it is, our defense will still be top ten. the D is fine, its the O that needs to be revamped

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[quote=Dirtbag359;653014][B]All your Mike Zimmers are belong to us. Your defense are on your way to destruction. Make your time.[/B]

As for the Jets strategy of drafting Brick and Mangold together. Well it's hard to argue with the results. A 31 year old running back with 1,400+ yards and a 4th round pick with 500 yards. 2,700+ yards total rushing with a 4.5 ypc average is Terrell Davis territory.

I believe we could do the same thing with Okung and DuCasse. Still remember this is a team that easily could have gone 8-8 (I would say 7-9 but they proved the victory over Cincy wasn't a fluke), and they had the #1 defense in the league both in PPG and YPG. They'll be good long term thanks to Sanchez . Still it's funny how similar this team is to the 2001 Ravens.

The only thing that worries me about not taking a QB first is the possibility that we will not be picking in the top 10 for a while. Remember we don't have Zorn as our HC and Vinny isn't in the front office. You have a much better chance of finding a franchise QB here then you do later. Though as I've said before I will not complain if we go OL with our first 2 or 3 picks. Namely our first and second rounders.[/quote]

HUH?

But I do agree with you that this Jets team does look an awful like the 2001 Ravens. Great Running game and a Great Defense.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;653014][B]All your Mike Zimmers are belong to us. Your defense are on your way to destruction. Make your time.[/B]

As for the Jets strategy of drafting Brick and Mangold together. Well it's hard to argue with the results. A 31 year old running back with 1,400+ yards and a 4th round pick with 500 yards. 2,700+ yards total rushing with a 4.5 ypc average is Terrell Davis territory.

I believe we could do the same thing with Okung and DuCasse. Still remember this is a team that easily could have gone 8-8 (I would say 7-9 but they proved the victory over Cincy wasn't a fluke), and they had the #1 defense in the league both in PPG and YPG. They'll be good long term thanks to Sanchez . Still it's funny how similar this team is to the 2001 Ravens.

The only thing that worries me about not taking a QB first is the possibility that we will not be picking in the top 10 for a while. Remember we don't have Zorn as our HC and Vinny isn't in the front office. You have a much better chance of finding a franchise QB here then you do later. Though as I've said before I will not complain if we go OL with our first 2 or 3 picks. Namely our first and second rounders.[/quote]

Haha, good one dirtbag. I laughed so hard I spit coffee onto my keyboard.

But seriously, Cincy losing yesterday makes the chances of Zimmer coming here better, yes?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;653035]HUH?

But I do agree with you that this Jets team does look an awful like the 2001 Ravens. Great Running game and a Great Defense.[/quote]

[quote=johno;653039]Haha, good one dirtbag. I laughed so hard I spit coffee onto my keyboard.

But seriously, Cincy losing yesterday makes the chances of Zimmer coming here better, yes?[/quote]


See Johno gets it, why can't you AMFHOF07? Lol, just kidding, it's a reference to a poorly translated video game from the early 90's.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us]All your base are belong to us - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

Today it's an internet fad. Anyway sorry about your keyboard Johno.

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Ahh... cool I get it. I never had heard that before. I was a kid in the early 90s but I don't believe that ever made it to our shores. Or my ass would have played it back then!! I think I was like 14.

lol

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What's Romeo Crennnel doing right now?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;653249]What's Romeo Crennnel doing right now?[/quote]

Probably going to join the New England reunion in KC.

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^I read an article he is interviewing for the Giants DC job, we should take him before they do!
[url=http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/01/ny_giants_contact_romeo_crenne.html]NY Giants contact Romeo Crennel about defensive coordinator job, his agent says | New York Giants - - NJ.com[/url]