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[quote=Son Of Man;652990]

You don't throw away production like this from a guy with no off-field issues just casue he's an ass. You whip him into shape, get him motivated and get him on the field.[/quote]


exactly, couldnt agree more. it seems as if when portis sees a wall of defenders in front of him, he dives to the ground before he even reaches these guys. toughen him up, put some spirit back into him and work him like a mule. he has potential. maybe he isnt as fast as he used to be, but he is as strong as an ox. as you get older you have a better sense of how a defense is going to react to your running. one of those intangables everyone always talks about that i wouldnt trade for anything.

maybe he is too far along to be changed, and we have to get rid of him. maybe we should get a couple of young go getters who will perform. but instead of dumping him along with the money lost in the salary cap, see if he can improve. why waste the cash available, because it is always so tight, and theres a lot tied up with this guy.

also id take anyone anyday that has no off field issues versus some guy that every six months has to have a talk with the league office. (portis or anyone, doesnt have to be him) you get paid all this money to play football, and you throw it away because of a life once lived. i know its hard for some, and this doesnt apply to all, but id take someone who is focuced more on life then some star player who has to carry a gun to the grocery store, or has to be armed to the teeth to go to a bar. just senseless sometimes. alcohol and guns do not mix.

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[quote=Son Of Man;652990]Portis' stats as a Redskin (prior to this horrible season):

[B]2008[/B]- 342 carries_1,487 yards_4.3 ypc
[B]2007[/B]- 325 carries_1,262 yards_3.9 ypc
[B]2006[/B]- 127 carries_523 yards_4.1 ypc (std 7 gms: injured tackling after INT)
[B]2005[/B]- 352 carries_1,516 yards_4.3 yds
[B]2004[/B]- 343 carries_1,315 yards_3.8 yds

You don't throw away production like this from a guy with no off-field issues just casue he's an ass. [B]You whip him into shape, get him motivated and get him on the field.[/B][/quote]

You forget that a player has to [I]want[/I] to do all these things. Portis cannot be apprehended and forced into the training room. Ultimately it's all up to him. He hasn't wanted to do things recently and it shows.

Running backs don't last forever either. This season will mark his ninth year in the league. He's already past the usual shelf life of RBs in this league.

Portis = Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, etc., etc.,

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People keep asking who will give us 1,000 yards without Portis.

How about Jahvid Best? When I imagine him in Shanny's one-cut-and-go offense, I see pre-Redskins Portis, not 2009 Portis.

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[quote=Mattyk;652261]If he does come back, he will be back under Shanahan's terms meaning he will be in shape, he will practice, and he will keep his mouth shut. Given that yeah I would bring him back.[/quote]

I think this about sums it up.

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I think an uncapped year is the greatest thing for the Skins. It is the only way we can dump CP. I love his blocking skills and aggression, but his running skills have deteriorated way to much. At this point he has the physical tools of a 3rd down back but the contract of a 1500 yard rushing threat.Cut him and take the financial hit. If there is a market for him, good for him. If not, try to bring him back at 3 years 3 mil and get 15 snaps and a couple receptions a game out of him.

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I voted no, but its a very aprehensive no... I like everything Portis has done for this organization. I really do. This in by no way, shape or form is a "good riddance", because I think he's meant a lot to the franchise... but I just dont think he has it anymore, he's an average runner, still a great blocker and a tough guy...but the fact that he's not what he used to be, make him not worth the headache for me...

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"lost a step" "lost a step"...... put a sock in it....

look at f*kin Fred Taylor....
We could use a veteran like Portis to help whatever rookie we draft with some good ol veteran knowledge.

Shanahans running system.
Portis.
Rookie.
Ganther.....Lookout.

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[quote=Skins4L;653148]"lost a step" "lost a step"...... put a sock in it....

look at f*kin Fred Taylor....
We could use a veteran like Portis to help whatever rookie we draft with some good ol veteran knowledge.

Shanahans running system.
Portis.
Rookie.
Ganther.....Lookout.[/quote]

Fred Taylor is not making nearly the same money that Portis is and he's in a team that has a RB by committee.

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[quote=Ruhskins;653268]Fred Taylor is not making nearly the same money that Portis is and he's in a team that has a RB by committee.[/quote]

Fred Taylor had 63 carries this year. Portis next year will make $10 million if we keep him. If we used him in the same capacity as Fred Taylor then we'd be paying Portis $158,000 per carry. This year we payed him around $79,000 per carry. If he had gotten 300 carries we would have owed him $16,000 per carry. Of course in comparison the Patriots paid Fred Taylor $47,000 per carry this year (2 year contract $5 million with $3 million owed in 2009). Man all this math is making my head spin. I'm going to go dye my hair now.

[IMG]http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/blond-clinton-portis.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Lotus;653038]People keep asking who will give us 1,000 yards without Portis.

How about Jahvid Best? When I imagine him in Shanny's one-cut-and-go offense, I see pre-Redskins Portis, not 2009 Portis.[/quote]
He'd be nice but maybe a 1st rounder.

My late round pick would be Hardesty from Tenn.. anyone know where he's projected?

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wow didn't know Hardesty has had 3 knee surgeries

but from seeing him a few games this year he looks like he'd be our type of back... that 1 cut/go type guy

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Mitchell: 'Clinton could've worked harder'

Not many - if any - of Jim Zorn's assistants are expected to be around next season. We know now for sure that running backs coach Stump Mitchell won't be.

Mitchell, who has taken the head-coaching job at Southern University in Baton Rouge, La., had a lot to say today about Clinton Portis - and it's clear that this will be one of the toughest, most important and most pressing questions Mike Shanahan and his staff will face.

Mitchell gave Shanahan his final report on the 2009 running backs, and while he didn't reveal the report's details, he didn't mince words in a telephone conversation Monday afternoon.

Asked whether Portis would benefit from improved practice habits and better conditioning, Mitchell said, "that's a slam dunk. Clinton could've worked harder."

"He's got to do that, and Dan" -- owner Daniel Snyder -- "has to understand that that's what has to be done. In order for the Redskins to be successful, that's what Clinton has to do. He has to change the way he's done things in the past, in order for them to be successful as a team."

Mitchell thinks Portis is still capable of being a Pro Bowl-caliber running back in the league, but only if he prepares like one.

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Seems to echo what Shanahan said at his presser about older guys needing to work harder to stay on top of their game.

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Thanks for posting that SF. If CP could get his act together, i'm fine with him staying on the team, as he has the potential to be our most talented running back. that said, i won't beleive it until i've seen it. he's been coddled far too long. I think he really needs a change of scenery to really change.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;653413]Mitchell: 'Clinton could've worked harder'

Not many - if any - of Jim Zorn's assistants are expected to be around next season. We know now for sure that running backs coach Stump Mitchell won't be.

Mitchell, who has taken the head-coaching job at Southern University in Baton Rouge, La., had a lot to say today about Clinton Portis - and it's clear that this will be one of the toughest, most important and most pressing questions Mike Shanahan and his staff will face.

Mitchell gave Shanahan his final report on the 2009 running backs, and while he didn't reveal the report's details, he didn't mince words in a telephone conversation Monday afternoon.

Asked whether Portis would benefit from improved practice habits and better conditioning, Mitchell said, "that's a slam dunk. Clinton could've worked harder."

"He's got to do that, and Dan" -- owner Daniel Snyder -- "has to understand that that's what has to be done. In order for the Redskins to be successful, that's what Clinton has to do. He has to change the way he's done things in the past, in order for them to be successful as a team."

Mitchell thinks Portis is still capable of being a Pro Bowl-caliber running back in the league, but only if he prepares like one.[/quote]

Clinton needs to go!!!! He has been a cancer from day one, and I’m frankly tired of his BS. It time to cut the head off of this snake and part ways with CB. If BA and MS do that, then I will truly feel good about the direction of this Team.

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[quote=Gmanc711;653130]I voted no, but its a very aprehensive no... I like everything Portis has done for this organization. I really do. This in by no way, shape or form is a "good riddance", because I think he's meant a lot to the franchise... but I just dont think he has it anymore, he's an average runner, still a great blocker and a tough guy...but the fact that he's not what he used to be, make him not worth the headache for me...[/quote]

I'm a little curious about what he has meant to the organization as a whole? To me one year of sabotage takes away the average good he has done. It's funny how everyone talks bout his great blocking, yet it was lack of practicing that hurt the blocking scheme while he was in this year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;653427]Thanks for posting that SF. If CP could get his act together, i'm fine with him staying on the team, as he has the potential to be our most talented running back. that said, i won't beleive it until i've seen it. he's been coddled far too long. [B]I think he really needs a change of scenery to really change[/B].[/quote]
I agree, it not's so much, [B]can[/B] he do it, but [B]will[/B] he do it. It really bothers me that an ultimatum has to be given to a professional athlete to get him to stay in shape and perform at 100%.

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[quote=Mattyk;653419]Seems to echo what Shanahan said at his presser about older guys needing to work harder to stay on top of their game.[/quote]

Or we could cut bait and get younger. ;)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;653269]Fred Taylor had 63 carries this year. Portis next year will make $10 million if we keep him. If we used him in the same capacity as Fred Taylor then we'd be paying Portis $158,000 per carry. This year we payed him around $79,000 per carry. If he had gotten 300 carries we would have owed him $16,000 per carry. Of course in comparison the Patriots paid Fred Taylor $47,000 per carry this year (2 year contract $5 million with $3 million owed in 2009). Man all this math is making my head spin. I'm going to go dye my hair now.

[IMG]http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/blond-clinton-portis.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


lol at the blonde Clinton.

But...
Forget the numbers. WE HAVE NO OFFENSE.
We need to DRAFT A BACK!!
BUT
Bottom line is... one more year for CP to rehash the fire.

If not.... cya later pal.

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[quote=Skins4L;653488]lol at the blonde Clinton.

But...
Forget the numbers. WE HAVE NO OFFENSE.
We need to DRAFT A BACK!!
BUT
Bottom line is... one more year for CP to rehash the fire.

If not.... cya later pal.[/quote]
If for some reason we don't draft one this year maybe that kid from Penn State that's from NoVA will be available at a decent pick next year since he didn't declare, Royster I think.. he seemed like he'd be a solid late round pick this year but he decided to stay his senior year

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I wonder if Ryan Mathews will be available when we pick in the 4th round

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No way do the Redskins need CP back. The Redskins are going to have to pay some other team to take him. They had a better running game without him anyway.

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[quote=Zerohero;653433]I'm a little curious about what he has meant to the organization as a whole? To me one year of sabotage takes away the average good he has done. [B]It's funny how everyone talks bout his great blocking, yet it was lack of practicing that hurt the blocking scheme while he was in this year.[/B][/quote]

Clinton was taken out plenty of times due to his LACK of pass blocking. He wouldn't step up (directionally) in order to block the pass rusher closer to the LOS, not leaving JC enough room to step into his throws... Just wanted to add that since I think many people have forgotten about that. Add that to his not practicing which messes with the lines continuity and learning how to block for Clinton, I say he has to go. IMO. Too much downside, not enough upside.

Will work on making my comments more concise in the future!

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I think in 2010 it will be a new CP. He knows Shanny won't take his stuff and the fact of the matter is Portis will be out of this league if he doesn't shape up. No more NFL, no more money and when you have an entourage or family thats on your coat tails financially that money will be gone fast. He needs to rebound in his career especially if he wants to be known as one of the best. I think a combo of him and a Dexter McCluster or Toby Gerhart, Javarris James, or Legarrette Blount plus Anthonty Alridge would be great behind the proper oline

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I only said yes because his YPC dictates that he was a better back than Riggins. As much as I loved Riggins, Portis has earned the opportunity to surpass him. I would allow him back for one season to break the record if nothing else. I feel that he deserves that even though he has not been the greatest team mate. He should not have the starting job though unless he earns it in the offseason.

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[quote=Angry;653541]I only said yes because his YPC dictates that he was a better back than Riggins. As much as I loved Riggins, Portis has earned the opportunity to surpass him. I would allow him back for one season to break the record if nothing else. I feel that he deserves that even though he has not been the greatest team mate. He should not have the starting job though unless he earns it in the offseason.[/quote]

I think he got more then he deserved with his paycheck Angry. He wouldn't even practice or stay in shape for the team. We owe him nothing.

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[quote=53Fan;653543]I think he got more then he deserved with his paycheck Angry. He wouldn't even practice or stay in shape for the team. We owe him nothing.[/quote]

Excellent points! I am merely saying that if he works hard this offseason then he deservers to break the record. If he comes in like a bitch then he can go out like a bitch, but lets at least give him the opportunity.

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This interview with Stump pretty much confirms it. Portis doesn't give a crap.

[I]"That's the only disappointment that I'll have. The fact that I couldn't persuade Clinton to do it a different way," Mitchell said Monday. "I want Clinton to be the best back in the league. But in order for that to happen, you have to prepare for it. But I don't know if that's what Clinton wants to do."[/I]

[I]Asked if Portis's practice habits and offseason conditioning have held him back, Mitchell said: "That's a slam dunk. Clinton could've worked harder." [/I]

[I]"He's got to do that," Mitchell continued, "and [owner Daniel Snyder] has to understand that that's what has to be done. In order for the Redskins to be successful, that's what Clinton has to do. He has to change the way he's done things in the past in order for them to be successful as a team."[/I]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/11/AR2010011103650.html?hpid=topnews"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

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[quote=GMScud;653571]This interview with Stump pretty much confirms it. [B]Portis doesn't give a crap.[/B]

[I]"That's the only disappointment that I'll have. The fact that I couldn't persuade Clinton to do it a different way," Mitchell said Monday. "I want Clinton to be the best back in the league. But in order for that to happen, you have to prepare for it. But I don't know if that's what Clinton wants to do."[/I]

[I]Asked if Portis's practice habits and offseason conditioning have held him back, Mitchell said: "That's a slam dunk. Clinton could've worked harder." [/I]

[I]"He's got to do that," Mitchell continued, "and [owner Daniel Snyder] has to understand that that's what has to be done. [B]In order for the Redskins to be successful, that's what Clinton has to do. He has to change the way he's done things in the past in order for them to be successful as a team[/B]."[/I]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/11/AR2010011103650.html?hpid=topnews"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

Nope and he never has. This has gone on even when Byner was coaching him. I've been saying it for a long time, CP hurts this team as much, or more than he helps it. All the talent in the world and no work ethic. He does things when the mood strikes him or he wants to prove something and that's it. He's one of the biggest underachievers in the league. What he's done for us in the past, he could have done more. Even Mitchell said he could be the best in the league. He was certainly paid like it. Maybe Shanny can get him going but personally I have no respect for him at all. :twocents:

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After reading Mitchell and Byner's comments I really don't ever want to see CP wear a Redskin uniform ever again. He just got called out by two guys that were the model for professionalism. I mean what can the guy say? He's looks so stupid now. He's lazy, he's a cancer and he doesn't even take his job seriously. The best thing we can do is cut the cord and move on. Improve the line and lets get a back or two in the draft.

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[quote=53Fan;653439]I agree, it not's so much, [B]can[/B] he do it, but [B]will[/B] he do it. It really bothers me that an ultimatum has to be given to a professional athlete to get him to stay in shape and perform at 100%.[/quote]

this is why i'm so hard on cp and albert. there is no excuse for a pro football player to be out of shape. it's your job to stay in shape yet these guys ( and many othres around the league) are paid big $ for workout bonuses. if i were snyder i would never pay workout bonuses. that way you'd find out who is serious about winning and who isn't.

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i am beginning to think that the uncapped season, the recent unprovoked drama with campbell, stump mitchell calling him lazy, and the coming offensive line change to the zone blocking system is the prefect storm to say goodbye to portis. thoughts?

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Do I want Portis back next season? Sure. Just as much as I want someone to empty a nail gun into my ass at close range. We want to keep guys like Portis and trade guys like Cooley. Great plan. :doh:

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If we do bring in Turner, as speculated, from Denver, I will be comfortable either way we go with Portis. If there is a tandem that will get him going right, I believe Shanahan/Turner can do that. However, seeing as how they traded him once, I doubt they will put up with much flak from him now.

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[quote=53Fan;653593]Do I want Portis back next season? Sure. Just as much as I want someone to empty a nail gun into my ass at close range. [B]We want to keep guys like Portis and trade guys like Cooley. Great plan[/B]. :doh:[/quote]

you do make a good point, and i can't see cooley going anywhere.

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I can't root for somebody like Portis. He's a clown with a mouth that is full of venom that destroys team unity. I'd like to say that he's the Redskin's version of the Wizards' Gilbert Arenas, and he kills with his criticism of other players and coaches, but I won't.

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Whats the highest draft pick we could get for just clinton? I'd say a 3rd rounder

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[quote=53Fan;653593]Do I want Portis back next season? Sure. [B]Just as much as I want someone to empty a nail gun into my ass at close range.[/B] We want to keep guys like Portis and trade guys like Cooley. Great plan. :doh:[/quote]

Friday night fun? :rofl:

On a serious note, excellent point about Cooley. All these mini-Vinny Cerratos and their crazy Cooley trade proposal drive me nuts.

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Personally, I don't want to see Portis break Riggins' record. Riggins was a team player, and he was somebody you could root for. But Riggins doens't like Snyder and Snyder doesn't like him. So if Clinton comes back to break the record, then look for trouble from him. Of course Clinton might be reading some of these comments about him and he may change because of them. But I still don't want him, even for a second of a game.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;653838]Whats the highest draft pick we could get for just clinton? I'd say a 3rd rounder[/quote]

Cult, didn't you post Kiper's underclassmen that should stay in the 'late round gem' thread? Take a look at what he says about McKnight, the rb from USC. He doesn't so much say anything about Mcknight, he just says that teams all have rb's now & there's a "surplus."

i.e. in this draft you might get a starting back in the 3rd or 4th round or beyond. So I find it hard to fathom that anyone would trade a pick for CP w/his age, salary & other issues. I would expect Shanny is weighing these options too. The main reasons CP might stay are salary & the team has too many needs to draft a rb to replace him. (I do foresee a rb taken in the draft, just not sure he'll be an every down guy)