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Some folks in this thread are really undervaluing Campbell. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Campbell fan and I'm excited by the idea that we might be moving on at QB. But JC has a career passer rating in the 80's and has a good amount of starting experience. He could start or be a competent backup for many teams. The folks who think he's worth nothing or only worth a 4th round pick are not giving JC his due, even if he is made of wax.

I think the 1st and 3rd tender is an astute personnel move.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;663994]Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.[/quote]

Hes actully worth a first rounder and possibly better than Sam Bradford. He has the quickest zip and good throwing motion along with his mobility in the pocket for a Shanahan type of offense.

3-year WCO type of QB(All pro offense)- and a film rat type of guy. He could very we'll be the guy for our pick with his mobility .

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;663994]Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.[/quote]

b/c of what ive seen of him, reading scouting and expert reports, his 20+ tds last year compared to his 4 ints (one of which was a hail mary, another wasnt his fault), his ability to read defenses, his understanding of a pro style offense, etc.

im gonna guess that you dont like clausen, never really gave him an objective evaluation or even evaluated him on your own at all but am just making an uninformed opinion. since mcshay says hes second round you think hes second round?

when people say so-n-so is going to be an unequivocal bust before the combine, draft and actually having that player play a year or two; it really brings into quesiton how that person can come to such an absolute opinion with so little to go by except gut instinct.

like SS asked, why do you think he is a decent 2nd round pick? (itd be a cop out if you just recite what mcshay thinks but that is your right)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;663994]Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.[/quote]Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

[URL="http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php"]WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog[/URL]

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

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[quote=over the mountain;664008]b/c of what ive seen of him, reading scouting and expert reports, his 20+ tds last year compared to his 4 ints (one of which was a hail mary, another wasnt his fault), his ability to read defenses, his understanding of a pro style offense, etc.

im gonna guess that you dont like clausen, never really gave him an objective evaluation or even evaluated him on your own at all but am just making an uninformed opinion. since maylock says hes second round you think hes second round?

when people say so-n-so is going to be an unequivocal bust before the combine, draft and actually having that player play a year or two; it really brings into quesiton how that person can come to such an absolute opinion with so little to go by except gut instinct.

like SS asked, why do you think he is a decent 2nd round pick? (itd be a cop out if you just recite what maylock thinks but that is your right)[/quote]
I agree. Only reason people wouldn't want Clausen is manly these two reasons.


-A ND QB(Clausen probably the best QB coming into the draft for a decade) but since he's from ND he's suppose to be a bust....

-He looks ugly and rumor saids hes gay. So basically fans don't want him for this either.

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

[quote=Lotus;664005]Some folks in this thread are really undervaluing Campbell. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Campbell fan and I'm excited by the idea that we might be moving on at QB. But JC has a career passer rating in the 80's and has a good amount of starting experience. He could start or be a competent backup for many teams. The folks who think he's worth nothing or only worth a 4th round pick are not giving JC his due, even if he is made of wax.

I think the 1st and 3rd tender is an astute personnel move.[/quote]

For all his starting experience you'd think he'd have even a little pocket presence and feel for the position but he doesnt. I agrre that he could be a decent back up but he's not a starter that will take a team anywhere.

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[quote=redskins202;664020]I agree. Only reason people wouldn't want Clausen is manly these two reasons.


-A ND QB(Clausen probably the best QB coming into the draft for a decade) but since he's from ND he's suppose to be a bust....

-[B]He looks ugly and rumor saids hes gay. So basically fans don't want him for this either[/B].[/quote]

Flacco's ugly but that doesn't mean I don't want him as a QB. This makes no sense to draft a QB on best looking. And where have you heard that he's gay? The only I've heard about clausen is that he's a trash talker and got into a few bar fights at ND, one of them giving him a black eye.

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

No way we get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell. It just won't happen. Plus we should keep him anyway because Bradford will be a rookie.

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I've heard the gay rumors about Clausen for a long time now...

Anyway, about JC's passer rating, keep in mind that so many of his throws are screens and little dunk offs....Brunell had a high passer rating in 2006, and he apparantley "sucked"....so take that into consideration.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;664032]I've heard the gay rumors about Clausen for a long time now...
[/quote]

So are you saying he will be better under center than Bradford? just askin.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;664029]No way we get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell. It just won't happen. Plus we should keep him anyway because Bradford will be a rookie.[/quote]

This talk of contract tender has nothing to do with trade value. If this report is right, we are not trading JC for a 1 and a 3. We are simply offering a contract at that level. Then, if we want to trade him, we can trade him for whatever we want.

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I think he is wrong. If the Redskins tender him like that it would simply be out of respect. They can give him a low level tender and still get a first(must give original pick). Mid level tender would give us a second, which would be good value for Jason.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;663994]Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.[/quote]Here's another link for you:

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4918277&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfl%2Fdraft10%2Finsider%2Fnews%2Fstory%3Fid%3D4918277"]Mel Kiper: Jimmy Clausen jumps inside the top 5 in the pre-combine mock - ESPN[/URL]

You and McShay are in the minority on this one.

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Im more interested to find out what Carlos Rogers tender is

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[quote=firstdown;663746]Hell if we got a 1st and 3rd for him I'd vote for Obama in 2012.[/quote]

Ditto, only I would vote for Sarah Palin!

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[quote=irish;664023]For all his starting experience you'd think he'd have even a little pocket presence and feel for the position but he doesnt. I agrre that he could be a decent back up but he's not a starter that will take a team anywhere.[/quote]

Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.

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[quote=SmootSmack;664089]Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.[/quote]

i would love for him to be our back-up qb, that would be awesome, but i don't see that happening

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;664017]Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

[URL="http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php"]WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog[/URL]

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."[/quote]Agreed that McShay is wrong on Clausen. It's not preposterous to grade him as a second rounder, at least no more preposterous than grading him as a top five type, but he compares favorably (IMO) to Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman from a year ago, and Stafford and Sanchez both had top half of the round grades from McShay.

Taking him at four...probably a bit of a stretch. But in the Dirtbag trademarked Bradford-Okung-Suh scenario, Clausen isn't really more of a reach than Bulaga or CJ Spiller as need players. It would be justifiable if Bradford and Okung and Suh were gone, although the BPA principle would likely suggest that the best players are on defense.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;663994]Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.[/quote]

But honestly I don't see Bradford as bringing much more to the table than Clausen. Bradford has pocket presence and decent accuracy, but his weak arm will hold him back in this league. I don't understand how people are comparing him to Brees and Rivers. Please...! Both of those guys can throw a 25 yard bullet and air it out for 60 yards. Video of Bradford shows even his short passes w/ a wobbly arc.

...anyway I think either QB at 4 is a terrible decision. I trust Shanny and Allen know this. They wait another year to draft a QB or find a gem somewhere else in the league.

Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

According to warpaths salary figures salary last year was 2.858 Million.

The tender for a 1st and a 3rd pick level is 3.268 Million.

RFAs can be tendered at the amount specified or 110 percent of last years salary ($3.144M) [B]whichever is greater.[/B]

So Clayton is merely saying that Campbell will get the only RFA tender possible. The other alternatives would be no tender, allowing him to walk, or the franchise or transition tags, both of which would be much more expensive.

And the skins are free to accept less in the way of draft pick compensation if they choose.

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[quote=tryfuhl;663883]sooooooo

how long is your ban over at ES? I'm sure that they miss your insight[/quote]


LOL !

I was thinking the same thing ... what is with all the negativity in Redskins nation at the moment ? I mean I have seen more positive discussion about the Redskins on the Cowboyszone board than I have on ES ....

I am not as convinced as the pundits are that we are going to take a QB in the first . I know Shananhan wants a QB to develop but there are so many holes ...

What is refreshing is we are not getting reports every five minutes about Allen and Shanahan are in love with X or Y ...

This 1-3 Tender almost guarantees that Campbell is going nowhere this season and I think that is the right decision . I think Campbell is a good QB on a bad team ... just mosdest improvements in play calling, running games and pass protection and Campbell will improve as he year on year .

What amazes me is how many want to give up on proven NFL players for the next shiny new thing from the ranks of the collage game .

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;663994]Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.[/quote]

I actually agree . I think any other year Clausen would be a mid round pick he is bolstered by being the starter in for three years in an improving program . His numbers are really not that impressive look at what is said about him in this scouting report

[I]"Clausen started nine games in 2007, throwing for 1,254 yards with a 56.3 completition percentage (138-245) and a 7-6 touchdown-interception ratio. The numbers are not mind-boggling, but put them with a visibly weak offensive line, a lackluster running attack and almost no speed outside, and they are a testament to his ability. Clausen had a breakthrough sophomore campaign in 2008, when he passed for 3,172 yards, completing 60.9% (268-440) of his passes with an impressive 25-17 TD/INT ratio. He threw for 3,722 yards with 28 TDs and only 4 interceptions this past year to solidify his status as one of the best signal callers in the country."[/I]

[url=http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2387]Jimmy Clausen Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect[/url]

In collage terms that is mediocre accuracy . The 28-4 TDs is good but I question how much that is the team and how much that is Clausen...

What concerns me more is the various reports about his attitude . I think it may be overblown but I think attitude is the one thing that stops NFL player reaching their potential . Cutlers Child like mentality lost Shanahan his job when Cutler broke apart the locker room, he subsequently managed to damage his own career by being traded to an inferior team because he cried about Josh McDaniel's looking ( but not putting in a trade request or making significant esquires) at other QBs .

The biggest bone of contention publically revolves around when he started his college career with an announcement at the College Hall of Fame where he arrived in a limo and wearing a handful of high school championship rings, wants to clear up any and all concerns that he might be an arrogant prima donna of a quarterback whose attitude is incompatible with the NFL's subdued corporate identity, locktight PR protocols, and demanding workload.

Other have said he has an abrasive attitude and really doesn't have that top tier WOW talent that makes you over look it . I could see Clausen becoming like a Jay Shcroder mk 2.0 or worse a Jay Cutler or Jeff Geroge . The guy he most reminds me of is Chris Simms .

That said I am not a NFL talent evaluator and if the Redskins FO see something in him and take him 4th overall then I will give the guy a chance but if we pass on him then I am not going to be supprized or upset .

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[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;663755]we would never get a 1st and 3rd for him, tender him for something we would get for him like a 3rd or 4th[/QUOTE
(I am ready to see him move on too)
but for a 3rd or a 4th?...

that is months of a shock-worn bias talking there..He threw for 3600 yards...is not a turnover machine and has been a solid professional in a situation not of his making

that should get him more attention from GMs than the value you've placed on him

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;664017]Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

[URL="http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php"]WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog[/URL]

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."[/quote]

strong stuff...stats rarely lie

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Taking skilled players when we need OL. Is Vinny still in control?

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Two words....Matt Cassel.

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I just dont understand this crap. JC would be a better than average QB in this league with an offensive line that could block. If you look at statistics that were put out, when Jason had average time to deliver the ball he was as good as anyone in the league. And that is vertually with NO running game to speak of, and really no WR that could get open on a regular basis, and our best threat hurt (cooley). This organization is so damn bent on getting Campbell out of Washington, its blinded itself. If they built this team correctly by getting the most important pieces in place, then we wouldn't even be looking for a QB, or an entirely built offensive line. We could be drafting a RB(which in my opinion is something we need as much as anything), or a top corner to put beside Hall, or a freaking FS so Landry can stop getting burnt in coverage.

I wish they would just do the right thing and draft TWO offensive lineman, one in the 1st and one in the second. that is two starting offensive lineman that would be centerpieces for years to come. Give Campbell a chance, hell give Colt a chance to play behind someone that can block. This may give us another of dealing with Portis, (personally I hope he is gone) or we could even get a guy in the 4th, or move up to the 3rd to get a RB. I just feel the furthest thing we need to draft is a QB right now.

this would KILL the kids confidence if he is literally beat to hell behind an horrible o-line, just like poor Campbell was this year and Ramsey was a few years back.

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I just read everyone's post on the topic and I still would rather keep Jason than draft any QB in the 1st round. We were 4-12 in 2009 and JC was not the sole reason. We had to many injuries on the O-Line to list. We had no running game this year and a soft defense that got exposed as the season went on. We need to fix our horrible O-Line with the 1st and 2nd rd picks. These picks have to start from day 1. If we pick a QB than we know he will not be ready to play from day 1. If a rookie QB is starting than get ready for another 4-12 season with this horrible O-Line.

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[quote=#56fanatic;664345]I just dont understand this crap. JC would be a better than average QB in this league with an offensive line that could block. If you look at statistics that were put out, when Jason had average time to deliver the ball he was as good as anyone in the league. And that is vertually with NO running game to speak of, and really no WR that could get open on a regular basis, and our best threat hurt (cooley). This organization is so damn bent on getting Campbell out of Washington, its blinded itself. If they built this team correctly by getting the most important pieces in place, then we wouldn't even be looking for a QB, or an entirely built offensive line. We could be drafting a RB(which in my opinion is something we need as much as anything), or a top corner to put beside Hall, or a freaking FS so Landry can stop getting burnt in coverage.

I wish they would just do the right thing and draft TWO offensive lineman, one in the 1st and one in the second. that is two starting offensive lineman that would be centerpieces for years to come. Give Campbell a chance, hell give Colt a chance to play behind someone that can block. This may give us another of dealing with Portis, (personally I hope he is gone) or we could even get a guy in the 4th, or move up to the 3rd to get a RB. I just feel the furthest thing we need to draft is a QB right now.

this would KILL the kids confidence if he is literally beat to hell behind an horrible o-line, just like poor Campbell was this year and Ramsey was a few years back.[/quote]

If Campbell could put up the kind of numbers he did with virtually no running game, (to speak of) no line to block for him, and a coaching staff that had no idea what the hell they were doing, I'd sure like to see what he could do with all the above.

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[quote=SmootSmack;664089]Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.[/quote]

I'd keep him. I expect he could beat out a rookie (although I wouldnt bet on it) and maybe start until the rookie was ready to go in week 10.

There is an bit in today's Wash Post where it says that Mel Kiper projects that it looks more & more that the Skins will take Clausen at #4.

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[quote=Longtimefan;664363]If Campbell could put up the kind of numbers he did with virtually no running game, (to speak of) no line to block for him, and a coaching staff that had no idea what the hell they were doing, I'd sure like to see what he could do with all the above.[/quote]

I don't understand how fans of our team can so easily look past all the other failing facets of the team and focus their blame on a QB who was ranked 15th in the league.

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[quote=30gut;664460]I don't understand how fans of our team can so easily look past all the other failing facets of the team and focus their blame on a QB who was ranked 15th in the league.[/quote]


I'm not looking past it, nor do I blame Campbell, but if you can upgrade your QB you likely should. Nearly every team looks at doing it, no big deal.

If you're not sure of what you'll get, hold out for another year or so; if you think Clausen is the real deal, get him. The kid did great in a pro-style offense without a good line, running game, etc. Sure it's college, but he didn't need the shotgun/spread to have a good year with low INTs, etc.

Either way, Campbell should have a chance to prove himself this year.

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It's pretty common for the QB to either get too much blame or too much credit. But it seems like for many here, Campbell is completely absolved of any responsibility. Yes he had poor protection but that's too often being used as a crutch (I believe) for many of the poor decisions he made. It's as if people think no QB was ever a difference maker, that all that matters is the line in front of him.

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Couldn't agree more Smoot.

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[quote=tryfuhl;664477]I'm not looking past it, nor do I blame Campbell, but if you can upgrade your QB you likely should. Nearly every team looks at doing it, no big deal.

If you're not sure of what you'll get, hold out for another year or so; if you think Clausen is the real deal, get him. The kid did great in a pro-style offense without a good line, running game, etc. Sure it's college, but he didn't need the shotgun/spread to have a good year with low INTs, etc.

Either way, Campbell should have a chance to prove himself this year.[/quote]

Many talent evaluators do not project Clausen to be a first round talent. Now don't blame me for saying it, I'm just repeating the so called experts.

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I've only heard one maybe two people say that Clausen is not a first round talent.

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Yeah, somebody's gotta stand out. If you want to make the argument that there aren't many guarantees at QB that's fine, but for someone like McShay to call him 36 is kind of interesting. The position alone warrants a move up the charts.. and that's in his mock draft, not even his draft/talent board right?

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/11182/skins-campbell-wont-go-quietly]Skins' Campbell won't go quietly - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;664478]It's pretty common for the QB to either get too much blame or too much credit. [B]But it seems like for many here, Campbell is completely absolved of any responsibility. Yes he had poor protection but that's too often being used as a crutch (I believe) for many of the poor decisions he made. It's as if people think no QB was ever a difference maker, that all that matters is the line in front of him[/B].[/quote]

Thank you! Ben Rothlisberger and Aaron Rogers seem to be able to elevate their play with sub-par lines...why do we excuse JC's mediocrity?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;663737]I don't think so. I think Jason has a better idea of where he stands this year. The whole asking for a trade seem to come after Vinny and Snyder did damage control with Cutler then turned around a month later and tried to land Sanchez.

This year Shanahan has pretty much told him up front theres going to be a QB competition this year in camp. If Campbell was going to demand a trade then we probably would have heard at least some sort of rumbling.[/quote]

Seriously. If Jason can't beat out a rookie, whoever he is, he ain't getting a starting gig anywhere else. If they think one of these QBs is legit, they should pull the trigger. Best case scenario is that Jason comes out and tears it up AND whoever they draft turns out to be the real deal. It would be nice for the Skins to have 2 QBs that other teams covet a la Brees and Rivers when they played for San Diego. Look at the Eagles. They're in the driver's seat with McNabb AND Kobb. Good to have choices.