Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666550]The people that have a "win now" mentality shouldn't be and aren't the ones making the key decisions

I like Clausen as a QB, I give Bradford the slight edge but if he's there at #4 I wouldn't be against drafting him.[/quote]

I agree with this post, for the most part.

Look, I don't care if it does say "The Future is Now" all over your ticket renewal stuff, we're not going to win in 2010. The Redskins P.R. machine says we're not rebuilding, but we [U]are[/U] rebuilding, regardless of the propaganda they're putting out to try to fool the season ticket holders.

With that in mind, we'll have a much better chance of going to the Super Bowl in the future if we have a franchise QB to lead us there. I'm convinced that JC is not a franchise QB. On the other hand, I think that both Bradford and Clausen might just become franchise QB's. I rate them 1A and 1B. If one of them is available when we pick at #4, we must take him for the sake of the team's future.

As for Suh, if Bradford and Clausen were both off the board, damn right I'd pick him at #4 over any OT in the draft. If there is one thing that is certain in football, it is that the other team can't beat you if they can't score. Haynesworth and Suh as the DE's in our 3-4 defense would be a nightmare for our opponents.

What we need to do is to trade some of our over-rated name players (e.g., Santana Moss and Laron Landry) and players who we no longer need or who don't fit in our new offense and defense (e.g., JC, if we pick a QB at #4, and Andre Carter) for draft picks or for other players who can help us more. Any additional picks we receive could help us re-build our OL in the future. As for now, I think we'll need to look to FA to fill out our immediate OL needs - perhaps with players such as Ben Hamilton, Chester Pitts, or Tony Pashos who have some familiarity with the techniques that Mike Shanahan uses on offense.

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I wonder if signing vets is a priority with Labor negoitiations on the table. Weed out the top reps to weaken the players stance on talks...

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;666566]What would make you think that Pennington and Bulger are better than Campbell? Hell, are they better than Todd Collins?[/quote] Both Pennington and Bulger can anticipate their WRs getting open and have better accuracy, but neither of them have the arm strength to be very successful in a Shanahan offense, in which the two very notable QBs, Cutler and Elway, he had both have rocket arms and along with the other necessary skills.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;666703]Both Pennington and Bulger can anticipate their WRs getting open and have better accuracy, but neither of them have the arm strength to be very successful in a Shanahan offense, in which the two very notable QBs, Cutler and Elway, he had both have rocket arms and along with the other necessary skills.[/quote]

Did Plummer have a rocket arm? I can't remember.

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Plummer didn't have a "rocket arm" necessarily, but he wasn't lacking in the arm strength department either.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

Guess we'll find out soon enough when Plummer takes the field as our starting QB in 2010. Then all you haters will recognize the truth BHA's been spittin'!

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Apparently the WP is the Plummer hype machine, he owes us one

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=SmootSmack;666724]Guess we'll find out soon enough when Plummer takes the field as our starting QB in 2010. Then all you haters will recognize the truth BHA's been spittin'![/quote]

Wait, Vinny Testaverde is not available?

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Injury prone my ass:
[quote]"The biggest news so far is that Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford physically looks fantastic. He has bulked up to 236 pounds and measured in at 6-foot-4. This is great to see because, regardless of the injury, another concern about Bradford was his tall, lengthy frame and some questioned his ability to fill it out. Those concerns are gone and NFL scouts are pleased."[/quote]

He's as good as gone with the Rams first pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;666504]Reading some of these posts just brings painful reminders of 2003. We had a strong offensive line back then (couple of 1st rounders, couple of 3rd rounders, Randy Thomas who I think was a 2nd rounder) yet we couldn't win with Shane Matthews and Danny Wuerfful...which is ridiculous because with that line those guys should have been franchise QBs.[/quote]

That's the year that we won the SB right? because we paid attention to only the line?

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[quote=SmootSmack;666505]Honestly, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Kelly isn't on the roster come the fall. Seems like some teams have been asking about him and he might be thrown in to help make a deal happen.[/quote]
I think that on a team like the Giants Kelly could make his mark sooner than later, not that that's where we'd deal him, but they seem to do well. If we need to deal him to get something and bring in a Bryant or something fine, but I think that he just needs the chance to shine. He may not have done a lot yet, but you don't hear negatives about him either. He could end up being what Lloyd was SUPPOSED to be.

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[quote=mredskins;666558]What about Campbell and the 4th pick for the number one pick which turns into Bradford. I won't like it but just wondering what folks thought.[/quote]
No thanks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;666600]Rams' GM (and former Redskin) Billy Devaney said they're deciding between Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen[/quote]
they need a QB and may not have a good excuse to drop number 1 pick money on another 1st round d-lineman.. so I could see them going QB

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In a way for me, that could mean us taking the best olineman in the draft leaving us to take a QB in the later rounds. Maybe the kid from Central Mich in the 2nd or even McCoy in the second. Not sold on McCoy yet, but we will see in his workouts. He has the arm and completion % was off the charts even throwing the ball 40 / 50 times a game. The kid from Central Michigan said he a good prospect, so if we do keep JC with the plan of playing until the next guy comes in then this would be a good situation for us.

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Mark Schlerthe and Tedy Brushci were asked specifically Should the redskins draft a QB in the first round, and they both said NO, and that we have more pressing needs. Add that to the other people who think we shouldn't get a QB and that fact that the past few days people have been so certain that the rams will take Sam Bradford, that I just look more and more to us hopefully getting Okung.

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When Mark Schlereth and Tedy Bruschi were asked on NFL Live whether the Redskins should consider a QB in the first round, Schlereth gave a resounding NO! They both agreed the Redskins had too many problems to worry about QB. He suggested O-Line.

^
Beat me to it CB59.

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Just wanted to point out an ironic parallel. See there was this running back out of Oklahoma that just flat out dominated at the collegiate level. Yet the problem was he had a history of injuries and we already has a great running back. Today our Free Safety is Laron Landry, the safe pick. Just saying.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=53Fan;666764]When Mark Schlereth and Tedy Bruschi were asked on NFL Live whether the Redskins should consider a QB in the first round, Schlereth gave a resounding NO! They both agreed the Redskins had too many problems to worry about QB. He suggested O-Line.

^
Beat me to it CB59.[/quote]
Sounds about right for an o-lineman

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[quote=tryfuhl;666768]Sounds about right for an o-lineman[/quote]

Do you think that's the only reason for his opinion?

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;666767]Just wanted to point out an ironic parallel. See there was this running back out of Oklahoma that just flat out dominated at the collegiate level. Yet the problem was he had a history of injuries and we already has a great running back. Today our Free Safety is Laron Landry, the safe pick. Just saying.[/quote]

Peterson would be hurt badly behind our line though.

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[quote=53Fan;666772]Do you think that's the only reason for his opinion?[/quote]
only? no

strong part of? definitely

it's no secret that we need o-line help

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;666767]Just wanted to point out an ironic parallel. See there was this running back out of Oklahoma that just flat out dominated at the collegiate level. Yet the problem was he had a history of injuries and we already has a great running back. Today our Free Safety is Laron Landry, the safe pick. Just saying.[/quote]

I could tell you another story about a team that could have had..Charles Woodson..Fred Taylor..Tra Thomas..Randy Moss..Alan Faneca etc, but chose to draft a Franchise QB with the #2 pick instead...Ryan Leaf.

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[quote=tryfuhl;666779]only? no

strong part of? definitely

[B]it's no secret that we need o-line help[/B][/quote]

Right. It's no secret whether you played o-line or not. Even Bruschi could see that.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;666763]Mark Schlerthe and Tedy Brushci were asked specifically Should the redskins draft a QB in the first round, and they both said NO, and that we have more pressing needs. Add that to the other people who think we shouldn't get a QB and that fact that the past few days people have been so certain that the rams will take Sam Bradford, that I just look more and more to us hopefully getting Okung.[/quote]

The bad news is that Bradford is going to be great and there's no way that he will fall to us.

The good news is that Okung measured in at 6-5, 307 with very long 36" arms and huge 10-1/2" hands at the NFL Combine. Then he put up 38 reps on the bench press. That just adds to many positives we already know about him. He seems to be a great prospect.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;666767]Just wanted to point out an ironic parallel. See there was this running back out of Oklahoma that just flat out dominated at the collegiate level. Yet the problem was he had a history of injuries and we already has a great running back. Today our Free Safety is Laron Landry, the safe pick. Just saying.[/quote]

No sh*t, and this time I dont want another "safe" pick like Berry. F him. Id say spend the entire draft on our pathetic, sh*tty offense.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Bradford-s-weight-could-have-him-flying-up-the-b?urn=nfl,224453]Bradford's weight could have him flying up the boards - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Bradford puts on 13 lbs of muscle to impress scouts

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[quote=mooby;666502]Anybody thought about Bradford's possible chemistry with Malcolm Kelly? I'm not certain of this but I believe Bradford was a freshman the year before Kelly went pro. If they had a nice chemistry on the field that could mean good things for both Bradford if we end up picking him and for Kelly. Even though I like Campbell I definitely wouldn't mind taking Bradford.[/quote]

kelly is never healthy. He's only made one play in two years that I can recollect.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=Mattyk;666512]I'm going to guess he has a tad more inside info and connections than we do.[/quote]

Do you really think team officials are feeding these analysts real information? If anything it's disinformation (ie the rams want to select Sam Bradford with the no. 1 pick) This makes sense. The Rams may be able to entice the Skins to trade up, give up Campbell and the no. 4 overall pick (and probably something else) and they'll still probably get the player they want (Suh) and not have to pay him No. 1 money.

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[quote=mredskins;666558]What about Campbell and the 4th pick for the number one pick which turns into Bradford. I won't like it but just wondering what folks thought.[/quote]

I hate it. I don't want to pick Bradford at No. 4 with Campbell taking the lumps while he's "groomed on the bench."

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;666806]Do you really think team officials are feeding these analysts real information? If anything it's disinformation (ie the rams want to select Sam Bradford with the no. 1 pick) This makes sense.[B] The Rams may be able to entice the Skins to trade up, give up Campbell and the no. 4 overall pick (and probably something else) and they'll still probably get the player they want (Suh) and not have to pay him No. 1 money[/B].[/quote]

I heard this being talked about today. The thinking is based on Snyder's reputation of going overboard to get a name player that he wants. I wouldn't blame the Rams for trying, but I think/hope we've gotten beyond that way of doing business.

Re: Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1
 

[quote=DIE-NASTY;666806]Do you really think team officials are feeding these analysts real information? If anything it's disinformation (ie the rams want to select Sam Bradford with the no. 1 pick) This makes sense. The Rams may be able to entice the Skins to trade up, give up Campbell and the no. 4 overall pick (and probably something else) and they'll still probably get the player they want (Suh) and not have to pay him No. 1 money.[/quote]

They're definitely getting real information, it's just that the information is always changing at this time of year. Besides, Schefter has said this wasn't based on any inside info per se just a hunch of his. A hunch which he deducted based on his inside connections.

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[quote=Lotus;666598]I don't think that Pennington and Bulger are better than Campbell. For me, I wouldn't trade Campbell unless real riches were involved.

But the question was posed about what we will do at QB if we trade JC before the draft. In this scenario it seems to me that Shanny would want to bring in another vet, if nothing else for competition. If you then wonder what vets are available, Pennington and (likely) Bulger come to mind. That's all.[/quote]

I like Campbell but wouldn't mind if we traded him if the price was right. I don't want to give him away for whitner and a 5th rd.

As far as QB competition, what about Jeff Garcia. I think he's a decent stop-gap who can help you win games. He's mobile, experienced and a gamer. he played great for the Eagles a couple years back when McNabb went down.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;666791]The bad news is that Bradford is going to be great and there's no way that he will fall to us.

The good news is that Okung measured in at 6-5, 307 with very long 36" arms and huge 10-1/2" hands at the NFL Combine. Then he put up 38 reps on the bench press. That just adds to many positives we already know about him. He seems to be a great prospect.[/quote]

Jason White threw for 75 tds and only 19 ints (avg 3500 passing yards) in his final two years at Oklahoma and never amounted to anything. Sam bradford...86 tds, 16 ints and 7800 passing yards...pretty similar.

White had bad knees but still i think an argument could be made (and i think it has) that Bradford is a system qb.

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[quote=SmootSmack;666810]They're definitely getting real information, it's just that the information is always changing at this time of year. Besides, Schefter has said this wasn't based on any inside info per se just a hunch of his. A hunch which he deducted based on his inside connections.[/quote]

Maybe so but my bet is teams are whoring the media kind of like Scott Boras does to get the best deal for his players. he stirs up enough half-truths through these vultures that a team panics and drops big coin for his player.

I hope the Skins don't jump off the cliff.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;666791]The bad news is that [B]Bradford is going to be great[/B] and there's no way that he will fall to us.

The good news is that Okung measured in at 6-5, 307 with very long 36" arms and huge 10-1/2" hands at the NFL Combine. Then he put up 38 reps on the bench press. That just adds to many positives we already know about him. He seems to be a great prospect.[/quote]

I like both prospects, but the more I hear that he played in a spread offense, and the fact that Landry Jones played just as well as soon as Bradford got hurt, the more I'm thinking on just sticking with Okung, the bad thing is that the lions may get Okung. Which leads me to say that the worst possible scenario for us would be bradford to st louis and okung to detroit, then we wouldn't have one of the 2 best players we wanted.

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It hasn't occurred to anyone that maybe we'll be running a lot of spread offense formations. I mean it's known that Shanahan spent time attending Patriots' practices studying what they do. And the Pats run a lot of the spread offense with Brady in the shotgun. Or that he spent time with Urban Meyer learning about his spread offense. And not to mention the Texans (where Kyle Shanahan just was) ran a lot of spread offense formations.

And then on top of all that is the fact that Bradford has shown (his freshman year) that he can also be successful behind center.

In conclusion, Bradford will do just fine...and if you're concerned about him just draft Jevan Snead! :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;666823]It hasn't occurred to anyone that maybe we'll be running a lot of spread offense formations. I mean it's known that Shanahan spent time attending Patriots' practices studying what they do. And the Pats run a lot of the spread offense with Brady in the shotgun. Or that he spent time with Urban Meyer learning about his spread offense. And not to mention the Texans (where Kyle Shanahan just was) ran a lot of spread offense formations.

And then on top of all that is the fact that Bradford has shown (his freshman year) that he can also be successful behind center.

In conclusion, Bradford will do just fine...and if you're concerned about him just draft Jevan Snead! :)[/quote]

that is a good point. i do remember reading that when Shannahan was hired.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;666820]I like both prospects, but the more I hear that he played in a spread offense, and the fact that Landry Jones played just as well as soon as Bradford got hurt, the more I'm thinking on just sticking with Okung, the bad thing is that the lions may get Okung. Which leads me to say that the worst possible scenario for us would be bradford to st louis and okung to detroit, then we wouldn't have one of the 2 best players we wanted.[/quote]

Landry Jones did play well. But saying that Jones played just as well is a huge slap in the face to just how well Bradford was at the collegiate level. I mean you're talking about a Heisman winner and comparing him to a guy who wasn't even close to being a Heisman fianlist. Lets start with accuracy:

Landry Jones: 58% in the spread
Sam Bradford: 67% in the spread 2008, 69% Pro Style Offense 2007

Landry Jones QB Rating: 130.83
Sam Bradford: 180.4 in the spread 2008, 176.52 in the pro style offense

Landry Jones TD Passes to Int's: 26 TD's 14 ints
Sam Bradford: 50 TD's 8 Ints 2008, 36 TD's 8 Ints 2007
(granted Landry Jones started less games due to the games Bradford did play but even then it would still be hard for him to compensate by throwing 24 TD's in 1.5 games or 10 for that matter)

Landry Jones Yards: 3,198 yards
Sam Bradford: 4,720 yards in 2008, 3,121 yards in 2007

To put it in NFL terms saying that Landry Jones even came close to matching Bradford production wise is like saying that 2009 Jason Campbell played almost as well as 2007 Tom Brady. (Landry Jones NFL QB rating: 86, Sam Bradford 126 in 2008, 123 in 2007).

When you compare theres just no comparison. So no more crazy talk about Landry = Bradford, Cult :D

[quote=SmootSmack;666823]It hasn't occurred to anyone that maybe we'll be running a lot of spread offense formations. I mean it's known that Shanahan spent time attending Patriots' practices studying what they do. And the Pats run a lot of the spread offense with Brady in the shotgun. Or that he spent time with Urban Meyer learning about his spread offense. And not to mention the Texans (where Kyle Shanahan just was) ran a lot of spread offense formations.

And then on top of all that is the fact that Bradford has shown (his freshman year) that he can also be successful behind center.

In conclusion, Bradford will do just fine...and if you're concerned about him just draft Jevan Snead! :)[/quote]

It's unfortunate that it has pretty much taken the fact that we now will want what we can't have for some people to realize just how much of a prospect Bradford is. Still I knew it was pretty much sealed when I heard that Bradford weighed in at 236.

I mean I know the numbers at the combine only mean so much but so much of the skeptism towards Bradford has been due to that shoulder, where if you listen to some non-doctor posters is practically hanging by a string, and the lanky frame that couldn't possibly stand up to the beating that our line (which apparently is going to be the exact same of last year) will cause Bradford to go through. 236 pounds with most of the weight gained being muscle is overkill. Actually makes me wonder if he could stand more hits now then Big Ben.

By the way Smootsmack stop trying to circumvent our swear filter. You know Spread is a dirty word. I'm disgraced to have you as a mod.

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[quote=SmootSmack;666823]It hasn't occurred to anyone that maybe we'll be running a lot of spread offense formations. I mean it's known that Shanahan spent time attending Patriots' practices studying what they do. And the Pats run a lot of the spread offense with Brady in the shotgun. Or that he spent time with Urban Meyer learning about his spread offense. And not to mention the Texans (where Kyle Shanahan just was) ran a lot of spread offense formations.

And then on top of all that is the fact that Bradford has shown (his freshman year) that he can also be successful behind center.

In conclusion, Bradford will do just fine...and if you're concerned about him just draft Jevan Snead! :)[/quote]

Spread offense! What's funny is Colt would be the ultimate spread offense guru. Maybe there is something to Shanny liking what he see's of Colt?

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Just the turn this needed

and I'm not even fully joking haha