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This kid is nothing special.. I have never liked this guy and I think it would be a terrible pick up if we drafted him. You have got to work on getting this offensive line straight before drafting a QB. Trade the picks and grab some more draft picks. Maybe McCoy falls or something and we can take him. I'd rather Bradford, McCoy etc.. than Clausen in this draft if we had to go QB. What is there to like about this guy and what did he prove so well in college that he deserves a 4th pick??

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I just have this gut feeling that if we don't draft Brafford we are going to be kicking ourselves in two to three years time. I dunno, I just think we can't pass on him. just my opinion.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;667201]It sounds like you think a QB is getting taken in the first 2 rounds. Is that accurate?[/quote]

Honestly I don't know. So much depends on how things shake out on draft day. Also with a full day between round 1 and 2 you can expect to see a lot of trade activity.

But I mean let's say they take Okung in the first round and then (as a lot of people are speculating) Spikes and/or McClain is there when they pick in round 2. I could see them taking one of those guys before they take a QB. And then they would maybe try to trade into the late 2nd/early 3rd round to get a QB

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;667207]I just have this gut feeling that if we don't draft Brafford we are going to be kicking ourselves in two to three years time. I dunno, I just think we can't pass on him. just my opinion.[/quote]

its seems as though if bradford is there at 4, we will take him. are you saying you want us to move up to assure that we get him?

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[quote=Lotus;667203]Ok. Fair enough.

I suppose the gist of my clumsy question is what separates Bradford (draftable at #4) from Clausen (not as draftable at #4) in the minds of Shanahallen.[/quote]

Good question. I won't lie and pretend I know the answer

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[quote=tdSKINS1;667206]This kid is nothing special.. I have never liked this guy and I think it would be a terrible pick up if we drafted him. You have got to work on getting this offensive line straight before drafting a QB. Trade the picks and grab some more draft picks. Maybe McCoy falls or something and we can take him. I'd rather Bradford, McCoy etc.. than Clausen in this draft if we had to go QB. What is there to like about this guy and what did he prove so well in college that he deserves a 4th pick??[/quote]

Sam Bradford, Jaimmy Clausen, Jason Campbell, Colt Brennan and Todd Collins all want Russell Okung or someome comparable at the LT position to keep them from getting their brains knocked out.

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I think a lot of this QB talk is going to be moot anyway. I don't see Bradford on the board at #4 and Clausen would be a reach there. Okung is a no brainer if he's there at #4.

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[quote=Mattyk;667221]I think a lot of this QB talk is going to be moot anyway. I don't see Bradford on the board at #4 and Clausen would be a reach there. Okung is a no brainer if he's there at #4.[/quote]

It's going to suck though either way. We'll find out on Thursday night who our first round pick is then we'll have to wait 24 hours to find who the next piece will be. I don't think I have enough self control to handle that.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667223]It's going to suck though either way. We'll find out on Thursday night who our first round pick is then we'll have to wait 24 hours to find who the next piece will be. I don't think I have enough self control to handle that.[/quote]

Yes, Friday during the draft will be a killer. No work will get done. We might as well declare it a national holiday.

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[QUOTE][quote]It's going to suck though either way. We'll find out on Thursday night who our first round pick is then we'll have to wait 24 hours to find who the n[/quote]



Yes, Friday during the draft will be a killer. No work will get done. We might as well declare it a national holiday.[/QUOTE]
yeah, really looking forward to that friday. espn is going to have to come up with a cool slogan name for it to make it an official holiday. I imagine i will get 0 effective work done that day.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;667231]yeah, really looking forward to that friday. espn is going to have to come up with a cool slogan name for it to make it an official holiday. [B] I imagine i will get 0 effective work done that day[/B].[/quote]

Probably, why should that day be any different?

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[quote=GMScud;667112][SIZE=4]THE DOWNFALL OF NOTRE DAME FOOTBALL IN PICTURES:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]Florida's Tim Tebow:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image002.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]Southern Cal's Mark Sanchez:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image1.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]Texas' Colt McCoy:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image3.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]Georgia's Matt Stafford:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image4.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]And finally, Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image5.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE]
[/quote]

Holey cow there are some hot girls..... well except Clausen's....

Think positive people, he has awsome character as seen here.... he's doing community service. ;)

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[QUOTE][quote]yeah, really looking forward to that friday. espn is going to have to come up with a cool slogan name for it to make it an official holiday. I imagi[/quote]



Probably, why should that day be any different?[/QUOTE]
LOL as long as my boss doesn't figure out, it's all good. (and for the record i normally get 10 to 20% effective work done so 0 would be a bit of a departure!) :rofl:

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667121]What are you talking about? Pro footballs aren't thinner than NFL balls!!! And small hands don't matter huh? Do you remember Danny "Woeful"? Guy had to wear gloves all the time. I don't see why the big hangup with Bradford/Clausen. A ton of good, solid QBs coming out this draft. We could draft a guy in say the 4th round and still get a great QB. There is around a dozen QBs available that have the potential to become solid pros.[B] I rather build a great line and then draft a kid from a second tier school than waste a first round pick and not properly address the o line.[/B] Our first two picks should be o linemen. Samuels and Thomas need to retire.[/quote]

and this is where we differ.... I'd rather draft a QB that has more potential of becoming a franchise QB in a shorter amount of time and build the OL at the same time.

Honestly there is about only 2 worthy of that, Bradford and Clausen. Then there is a drop off to which the rest have physical characteristics that need to be worked on or changed. Lets look at it this way.... if your willing to forgo the QB position for OL and take a second tier QB then you might as well stay with JC. Which I know is what some of you want but I'm tired of second tier QB's or QB's that need a lot of coaching up. Lets get our franchise QB this draft since next year I have to expect us to do better then 4-12 which will push us farther down the draft poll and again getting stuck with second tier QB's that have to be coached up.

There is not much difference in the second tier QB's. All bring something different to the table but each will need to be coached up for a couple of years. Unless the staff is enamored with JC he's gone next year. Our coached up QB won't be ready if he's simply a second tier QB...look at JC, 6yrs in the league and we are still coaching him up.

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[quote=SBXVII;667235]and this is where we differ.... I'd rather draft a QB that has more potential of becoming a franchise QB in a shorter amount of time and build the OL at the same time.

[B]Honestly there is about only 2 worthy of that, Bradford and Clausen. Then there is a drop off to which the rest have physical characteristics that need to be worked on or changed. Lets look at it this way.... if your willing to forgo the QB position for OL and take a second tier QB then you might as well stay with JC. [/B]Which I know is what some of you want but I'm tired of second tier QB's or QB's that need a lot of coaching up. Lets get our franchise QB this draft since next year I have to expect us to do better then 4-12 which will push us farther down the draft poll and again getting stuck with second tier QB's that have to be coached up.

There is not much difference in the second tier QB's. All bring something different to the table but each will need to be coached up for a couple of years. Unless the staff is enamored with JC he's gone next year. Our coached up QB won't be ready if he's simply a second tier QB...look at JC, 6yrs in the league and we are still coaching him up.[/quote]

I agree. Outside of Bradford or Clausen, I don't see anyone who would be an improvement on what we already have. I say draft a QB at #4 or make QB a very low priority.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667156]Dude, come up to[B] Downriver[/B] Detroit and you will understand my agony. At least in VA the women are not eating bon bons indoors for 9 months a year, chain smokers, or are on crack. Detroit til a couple years ago had the fattest women in the fattest state of the union.[/quote]

There in lies your problems.... :)

You should go up river... everyone knows all the great fish is up river unless your looking for catfish, which are usually eating trash down river at the bottom. :)

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667163]What is wrong with Manassas? Virginia gals can't be worse or even equally as bad as Detroit women. I am not moving for women either.[/quote]

Well if you don't mind moving into Little Havana then your good.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816a1ab4/Bradford-vs-Clausen]NFL Videos: Bradford vs Clausen[/url]

According to Casserly and the other guy, they both say that Bradford is the exact type of QB that Mike Shanahan would want. If what they're saying is true and he's Mikes guy for sure, then do you all see us moving up to get Sam at No. 1? I could see us trading Jason and Rocky as well as our 1st rounder for their 1st rounder.

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[IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/image4.jpg[/IMG]

This pic is such a nice and accurate representation of Georgia. Weird 80's sunglasses, plad pants, American flag (though sometimes it's paired with the confederate flag), everyone holding a red cup, blonde southern bells. Everyone of those girls are most likely a die hard conservative. The girl with the sunglasses on the top of her head looks like shes about to pass out.

Some more pics of life in Georgia.

[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_M2Q_weJutuI/RjtObCgNK1I/AAAAAAAABkU/UUCB_L8_-pM/s400/Pic__3__Stafford_and_Cox__of_course_Cox_is_on_the_ground_.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/482877996_7af67e156f.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.gridirongenerals.com/images/NCAA/SEC/Georgia-Bulldogs/Matthew-Stafford/matt-stafford-holding-keg.jpg[/IMG]

Not that all of this is necessarily bad but to me it feels like sometimes this is all people do, minus the hot girls.

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[quote=Mechanix544;667021]I agree. I just do not know why, if we are so hell bent on getting a young QB THIS draft,(still thinking ALL OLine in the first 2 rounds this year, and Locker for next year) we wouldnt trade down a bit in the second round a pick up Pike for a bargain, enabling us to get Okung as a cornerstone for him next year after he develops behind JC for a year. But drafting Okung and then trading up 6 or seven spots from our 2nd round pick and grabbing Campbell, cementing one whole side of our OLine for years to come that still looks like the way to go from my point of view. Then you can still at least give JC his one additional chance, as everyone seems to want to give him a mulligan due to line issues for last season, and still have the option for Locker next offseason.[/quote]

I agree with you on Locker. I would rather have him than Clausen or Bradford. However, haven't you noticed how much his stock has risen since he decided to stay in school? Now they're projecting him to be the number one pick of next years draft. With Shannahan coaching, there's no way we'll be in a position to draft him.

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Here's another thing that [b]terrifies[/b] me about Sam Bradford. Whenever I watch him sit back in that spread offense, comfortably in the shotgun with no pass rush, one name comes to mind, Alex Smith. I want someone who's comfortable and effective in both under center and in shotgun formations.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;667206]This kid is nothing special.. I have never liked this guy and I think it would be a terrible pick up if we drafted him. You have got to work on getting this offensive line straight before drafting a QB. Trade the picks and grab some more draft picks. Maybe McCoy falls or something and we can take him. I'd rather Bradford, McCoy etc.. than Clausen in this draft if we had to go QB. What is there to like about this guy and what did he prove so well in college that he deserves a 4th pick??[/quote]OK, if you think so. Others have a more informed opinion:

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4918277&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfl%2Fdraft10%2Finsider%2Fnews%2Fstory%3Fid%3D4918277"]2010 NFL Mock Draft: Kiper pushes Clausen inside the top 5 - ESPN[/URL]

[URL="http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php"]WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog[/URL]

I'd say looking at the chart in the article that Clausen stacks up pretty good against the junior seasons of current NFL elite QBs and a couple of recent high picks.

And what's more impressive, he did it with "small" hands :doh:


[IMG]http://walterfootball.com/images/juniorqbs.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;667249]OK, if you think so. Others have a more informed opinion:

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4918277&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfl%2Fdraft10%2Finsider%2Fnews%2Fstory%3Fid%3D4918277"]2010 NFL Mock Draft: Kiper pushes Clausen inside the top 5 - ESPN[/URL]

[URL="http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php"]WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog[/URL]

I'd say looking at the chart in the article that Clausen stacks up pretty good against the junior seasons of current NFL elite QBs and a couple of recent high picks.

And what's more impressive, he did it with "small" hands :doh:


[IMG]http://walterfootball.com/images/juniorqbs.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I saw that to. The thing that I didn't like though was that it was only based on the junior years of guys that went on to have much better senior campaigns. Big Ben is the only one of those QB's that came out after his junior season. But yeah the small hands thing is a little ridiculous.

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Why Locker over Bradford?

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[quote=SmootSmack;667252]Why Locker over Bradford?[/quote]

Because that means we get Okung and convinces the draft a QB crowd that we'll still get a franchise QB. It's a change up from the draft Tony Pike in the 4th argument. Those bastards have no intention of us drafting Locker next year :FIREdevil Still Locker is basically the white Michael Vick. Strong arm, amazing runner, average accuracy.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;667247]Here's another thing that [b]terrifies[/b] me about Sam Bradford. Whenever I watch him sit back in that spread offense, comfortably in the shotgun with no pass rush, one name comes to mind, Alex Smith. I want someone who's comfortable and effective in both under center and in shotgun formations.[/quote]

Watch Bradford as a freshman in 2007. He was under center a lot.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667253][B]Because that means we get Okung and convinces the draft a QB crowd that we'll still get a franchise QB[/B]. It's a change up from the draft Tony Pike in the 4th argument. [B]Those bastards have no intention of us drafting Locker next year[/B] :FIREdevil Still Locker is basically the white Michael Vick. Strong arm, amazing runner, average accuracy.[/quote]

Damnit! The cat's out of the bag! Thanks Dirtbag. :mad:

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[quote=Kalisto2010;667247]Here's another thing that [B]terrifies[/B] me about Sam Bradford. Whenever I watch him sit back in that spread offense, comfortably in the shotgun with no pass rush, one name comes to mind, Alex Smith. I want someone who's comfortable and effective in both under center and in shotgun formations.[/quote]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone that knows what they are talking about. Clausen comes from a pro style offense and spent a lot of time under center. It's really a no brainer for the Skins to take him at #4. I hope like hell the Rams take Bradford at #1, so we don't have to worry about drafting this glass doll!

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[quote=murphy196;667275]EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone that knows what they are talking about. Clausen comes from a pro style offense and spent a lot of time under center. It's really a no brainer for the Skins to take him at #4. I hope like hell the Rams take Bradford at #1, so we don't have to worry about drafting this glass doll![/quote]

Bradford played in a pro style offense in 2007 and managed a 123 Pro QB Rating with 36 TD's and 8 INT's. I'm sorry but your friend is wrong about Bradford, at least as it relates to him under center. Part of the reason scouts were comfortable projecting Bradford as the #1 pick last year was from that experience and production he had while playing under center.

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[quote=53Fan;667272]Damnit! The cat's out of the bag! Thanks Dirtbag. :mad:[/quote]

Why have Locker next year when Canfield can be handed to us this year? Canfield is statistically superior to Jake in most categories. That is why I can see us forgoing a QB easy til the mid rounds this year. You have some nice QBs coming out of all the major conferences this year: SEC, Pac-10, Big Ten, Big 12, etc.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667279]Why have Locker next year when Canfield can be handed to us this year? Canfield is statistically superior to Jake in most categories. That is why I can see us forgoing a QB easy til the mid rounds this year. You have some nice QBs coming out of all the major conferences this year: SEC, Pac-10, Big Ten, Big 12, etc.[/quote]

If we must take a QB late, Canfield is a good choice.

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Getting tired of typing the same thing so I'll just copy and paste links to previous posts:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/666823-post116.html[/url]

"Pro Style Offense" is such a loose term these days

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Canfield really struggled today. He and Skelton really hurt themselves the most I think

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who do you think shanny's more in love with/ would work his offense better with Jake Locker next year or Bradford this year?

smootsmack?

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Well I don't know which one he prefers, and I think it's a bit silly to base on one draft on who you might draft the following year.

I don't know why we keep saying let's just go for Locker next year.

All that said, Bradford showed his freshman year that he could dominate in a "pro style offene" and he showed he could dominate in the OU spread offense as well.

Under the Huskies' spread offense, Locker was slightly above average. It was until this year that he finally started to get it...under a "pro style offense"

I'll take Bradford over Locker eight days a week

Locker is just the flavor of the minute because he's not a candidate to be drafted right now.

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^ok and after seeing snead today, do you think he'll be good in this offense/do better than campbell would

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[quote=SmootSmack;667290]Well I don't know which one he prefers, and I think it's a bit silly to base on one draft on who you might draft the following year.

I don't know why we keep saying let's just go for Locker next year.

All that said, Bradford showed his freshman year that he could dominate in a "pro style offene" and he showed he could dominate in the OU spread offense as well.

Under the Huskies' spread offense, Locker was slightly above average. It was until this year that he finally started to get it...under a "pro style offense"

I'll take Bradford over Locker eight days a week

Locker is just the flavor of the minute because he's not a candidate to be drafted right now.[/quote]

If we are waiting till next year for a QB my vote is for Matt Barkley

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He's going to be a true sophomore next year..not for another 2 years, until he's eligible

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[quote=CultBrennan59;667292]^ok and after seeing snead today, do you think he'll be good in this offense/do better than campbell would[/quote]

In the long run perhaps. Next year? Not likely. Snead needs work on some basic fundamentals. I think he can correct some of his errors but I wouldn't be comfortable at this point throwing him into the starting lineup on opening day 2010.

Snead had a strong weekend but it's just the combine. We (I) shouldn't get too carried away quite yet. Neither with him or Robinson.

Snead would probably be my #2 choice at QB behind Bradford at 1 and Clausen at 1A. Although Snead is climbing for me, 'cause someone here's gotta show him some love! But I wouldn't take him before round 4 (maybe late round 3)

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[quote=WaldSkins;667294]If we are waiting till next year for a QB my vote is for Matt Barkley[/quote]

Barkley won't be eligible for the draft next year.