All votes should be counted regardless of whether they change the outcome of the election. If I vote... I want my vote counted.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]What that_guy is saying is that it makes no sense to count 75k absentee ballots when one candidate is up by 100k. Really, what's the point?

I'm all for FL, OH, & IA being the only ones that vote now anyway. Why waste your time on the other 47? :D[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I understand, but right now there's more absentee and provisional ballots out there than what Bush is leading by, correct?[/QUOTE]


They are still counting exactly how provisional ballots there are in Ohio and are about 90% through. The last count I heard was Bush up 136,000 votes in Ohio and there were around 134,000 provisional ballots with that other 10% of precincts to be counted.

The numbers just don't bode well for Kerry here.

[QUOTE=EEich]All votes should be counted regardless of whether they change the outcome of the election. If I vote... I want my vote counted.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you're saying from a personal viewpoint (being a voter, belieiving every vote counts, etc), but statistically, it really doesn't make a lot of sense.

It's like kicking a field goal with 2 seconds remaining in a game you're losing by 14 points. Kinda makes you feel better, but doesn't really make much of a difference.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]It's like kicking a field goal with 2 seconds remaining in a game you're losing by 14 points. Kinda makes you feel better, but doesn't really make much of a difference.[/QUOTE]


Or kinda like trying a hail mary at the end of the half from 60 yards away when your quarterback can only throw 50...

no, cause on the hail mary, someone may catch it and run the rest of the way...

kerry conceded, its officially over, bush has won.

and i hope they don't bother messing with Roe v Wade, impossing beliefs onto others is a stupid stupid thing to do.

There's things I strongly disagree with for each candidate, like i said, I wasn't really thrilled with either, but its all done now.

thank god this is going to be settled today and not 2-4 weeks from now. I'm still very suprised at how Bush won the popular vote nation wide by almost 4 million voters as opposed to him losing the popular vote in 2000 by about 600,000 votes I believe. because like many covering the election, the increased turn out would have led many to believe there was an influx of voters looking for change, but it doesn't seem that way now. Does anyone know when they will have a somewhat accurate detail of what demographics voted for whom? cuz I'd personally like to see how others in my age range voted.

I'm suprised Kerry conceded. Classy move on his part, IMO.

[QUOTE=That Guy]and i hope they don't bother messing with Roe v Wade, impossing beliefs onto others is a stupid stupid thing to do.

There's things I strongly disagree with for each candidate, like i said, I wasn't really thrilled with either, but its all done now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I wasn't that thrilled with them either. I think alot of people were worried about changing Presidents in the middle of the war. Why are we at war? I have no freaking clue, but what's done is done.

Skinsfanthru&thru-- I dont know much about the demographics you might want to check out the USA Today, today or tommorow. I did hear on ESPN Radio on the Herd that only 17% of voters 18-24 voted.

I heard the young vote was better this time around, but still by far the smallest percentage of those who vote. Once I saw stories of long lines at the polls, which is a good thing, I still thought the downside is that a majority of young people do not have the patience to stand in 4 hour+ lines to vote.

[quote]only 17% of voters 18-24 voted.[/quote]
so much for vote or die...

i had to wait 90 minutes to vote myself, anyone with a last name H-Z only had to wait 10 minutes though... what crap :P

I was pulling for Kerry, but I knew Bush was going to win. So I'm not surprised. Never underestimate the Corporate Press and the Uninformed. Once again corporate America wins

It was obvious after the 2002 midterms elections that the Democrats needed some major changes in their leadership. Maybe now they will shake things up (but I'm not counting on it)

Look's like Brud's dad lost his bid for governor.

[url]http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/DE/G/00/index.html[/url]

Guess the redskins were wrong, lol

[QUOTE=Skins fan 44]Skinsfanthru&thru-- I dont know much about the demographics you might want to check out the USA Today, today or tommorow. I did hear on ESPN Radio on the Herd that only 17% of voters 18-24 voted.[/QUOTE]
I was really disappointed to hear that.

That's the same percentage that voted back in 2000.

Alot of people in that age group are away at college, and the gov't doesn't make it very easy for college kids to vote, so alot of them give in and don't bother.

[QUOTE=That Guy]and i hope they don't bother messing with Roe v Wade, impossing beliefs onto others is a stupid stupid thing to do.

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If hope is all we have on this issue that's not much.

Well, at least we'll have 4 more years of some great skits on SNL

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Well, at least we'll have 4 more years of some great skits on SNL[/QUOTE]

Matty have you seen Frank Caliendo on the Pregame show? He does the best Bush impersonation. I think he's on Mad TV too. It's hilarious.

I think Caliendo can impersonate just about anyone. He's really good.

[QUOTE=Cush]I was pulling for Kerry, but I knew Bush was going to win. So I'm not surprised. Never underestimate the Corporate Press and the Uninformed. Once again corporate America wins

It was obvious after the 2002 midterms elections that the Democrats needed some major changes in their leadership. Maybe now they will shake things up (but I'm not counting on it)[/QUOTE]

There will be some changes indeed. Barrack Obama has a great future ahead him. He was one of the few bright spots for us Dems last night. Whether the country has the grapefruits to elect an African-American candidate for President is another story. But I put him near the top of my list of candidates I want to see in 2008.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I was really disappointed to hear that.

That's the same percentage that voted back in 2000.

Alot of people in that age group are away at college, and the gov't doesn't make it very easy for college kids to vote, so alot of them give in and don't bother.[/QUOTE]

Its really not that hard to register. I almost wish the draft was really on the table, just to see if that would push those other 87% to vote. To those young voters that did get out there and vote, you should get automatic "immunity" from any draft.

terrorists won't be crashing any planes or detonating any bombs in the South, Ohio, nor the rest of the midwest.

not even with saddam's non-existent WMD. but i got to see bin laden looking pretty healthy the other day. looks like his cave days are long behind him.

[QUOTE=illdefined]terrorists won't be crashing any planes or detonating any bombs in the South, Ohio, nor the rest of the midwest.[/QUOTE]

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that's a rediculous statement. Just take a look at the terror plots that have been uncovered throughout the entire country. Oh, wait a minute, the media doesn't cover that kind of news.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that's a rediculous statement. Just take a look at the terror plots that have been uncovered throughout the entire country. Oh, wait a minute, the media doesn't cover that kind of news.[/QUOTE]

does that include Fox News? what plots are you talking about and what were their targets?

Not all of these are in the south and midwest, but are examples of thwarted plots that have gotten little media coverage nontheless (and yes, Fox News is included):

Hoover Dam - al qaeda operatives found to be surveiling the structure for a possible attack

Las Vegas - international intelligence agencies found evidence of an attack on the MGM Grand and other casinos

Northern Virginia - al qaeda planned to bomb synagogues

World Bank in DC - specifically targeted

NY - al qaeda cell in Albany

NYC - al qaeda planned multiple attacks here. The one with the least coverage is the one in which they tried to buy a garment factory and smuggle explosives in on a truck and blow up the entire city.

Here is a list of cities that has seen arrests of terror suspects but where the details remain classified: Chicago, Tampa, Oxford Mississippi, Detroit, San Diego, Los Angeles, Denver, Tulsa Oklahoma.

[QUOTE=That Guy]i had to wait 90 minutes to vote myself, anyone with a last name H-Z only had to wait 10 minutes though... what crap :P[/QUOTE]

I was in and out at the voting polls in about 5 minutes or so. I wonder why the lines of those with a last name beginning with h-z is so much faster.

[QUOTE=redrock-skins]Its really not that hard to register. I almost wish the draft was really on the table, just to see if that would push those other 87% to vote. To those young voters that did get out there and vote, you should get automatic "immunity" from any draft.[/QUOTE]

I'm all for more people, especially younger people, voting, but even partially wishing that the draft was a realistic possibility is just... I just can't see how anyone would have even a slimmer of wishful thinking of the draft being reintroduced.

[QUOTE=redrock-skins]There will be some changes indeed. Barrack Obama has a great future ahead him. He was one of the few bright spots for us Dems last night. Whether the country has the grapefruits to elect an African-American candidate for President is another story. But I put him near the top of my list of candidates I want to see in 2008.[/QUOTE]

one day in the not too distant future, hopefully, an african-american will be a realistic candidate to become president, but I thought Obama wasn't born in the US? I might be mixing him up with another politician though..

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]


I'm all for more people, especially younger people, voting, but even partially wishing that the draft was a realistic possibility is just... I just can't see how anyone would have even a slimmer of wishful thinking of the draft being reintroduced.
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When that became a rumor last spring thats what made me think, you know what, if I dont want this to happen, I better try and do somthing about it, and caused me to register to vote. Now since then the talk has died down quite a bit, but I think if it was a serious or realistic issue, alot of young voters would go to the polls.

I actually got really into politics after I registered, not just for draft issues, but I was glad I became so into it. I was proud when I voted yesterday.

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]





one day in the not too distant future, hopefully, an african-american will be a realistic candidate to become president, but I thought Obama wasn't born in the US? I might be mixing him up with another politician though..[/QUOTE]

He was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Hawaii.

Here's his website: [url]http://www.obamaforillinois.com/[/url]

I do hope to see him on a ticket in the future.

[QUOTE=redrock-skins]He was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Hawaii.

Here's his website: [url]http://www.obamaforillinois.com/[/url]

I do hope to see him on a ticket in the future.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm hearing alot of good things about this guy. I'd defintley consider voting for him depending on the issues at the time. I personally would love to see an african american run for president, it would be good for the country.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]Not all of these are in the south and midwest, but are examples of thwarted plots that have gotten little media coverage nontheless (and yes, Fox News is included):

Here is a list of cities that has seen arrests of terror suspects but where the details remain classified: Chicago, Tampa, Oxford Mississippi, Detroit, San Diego, Los Angeles, Denver, Tulsa Oklahoma.[/QUOTE]

not that i'm doubting you cpayne, but where did you get this info? i'm practically glued to the news (i almost lost my life 9/11, was in the subway station underneath), and haven't heard any of this. i asked about Fox News in case you were about to say it was a liberal media plot. if this is true why wasn't it all over the news? more importantly, why wasn't Bush hammering us with this during his campaign?

you only hear about the failures... otherwise all you did was stop someone from maybe doing something they might have been thinking about... the only way you can be sure that they'd follow through is to wait and let them... that's part of the problem, you can never prove you did anything unless you wait till they strap themselves to bombs to arrest them.

I've heard of a couple places, but outside the local news you prbably won't hear much. Police checking out an apartment doesn't normally cause a panic or raise enough interest to make it newsworthy.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Yeah I'm hearing alot of good things about this guy. I'd defintley consider voting for him depending on the issues at the time. I personally would love to see an african american run for president, it would be good for the country.[/QUOTE]

unfortunately, this country is several generations away from voting a black candidate into office. this election in particular revealed much about our country.

[QUOTE=That Guy]you only hear about the failures... otherwise all you did was stop someone from maybe doing something they might have been thinking about... the only way you can be sure that they'd follow through is to wait and let them... that's part of the problem, you can never prove you did anything unless you wait till they strap themselves to bombs to arrest them.

I've heard of a couple places, but outside the local news you prbably won't hear much. Police checking out an apartment doesn't normally cause a panic or raise enough interest to make it newsworthy.[/QUOTE]

i agree with that somewhat, but all these 'successful threat eliminations' would have been valuable ammunition for the Bush campaign, and i'm wondering why they didn't bash it over our collective heads?

[QUOTE=illdefined]unfortunately, this country is several generations away from voting a black candidate into office. this election in particular revealed much about our country.[/QUOTE]

I guess I strongly disagree with this statement. In case you have forgotten, both parties strongly recruited Colin Powell prior to 2000. It was only his own recalcitrance that prevented him from being nominated. Had he chosen to do so and with 20/20 hindsight, I don't doubt that he would have been elected over either Gore or Bush. Regardless, the number of african-americans in positions of authority has, at least on a symbolic level, increased significantly. As secretary of state, Powell is (I think) number 5 on the succession list to president.

If an otherwise qualified african american ran on a program that supported a market economy and that was socially conservative, I have no doubt he (or she) would be elected. If, however, an african-american ran on the traditional liberal agenda, I do not doubt he (or she) would lose.

Yeah, I think Powell would be elected in a heartbeat.

i'm a big fan of Colin Powell too, and i resent the things the Bush administration has relegated him to. one of the architects of the first Iraq war, the only soldier in the administration, and he was ignored on attacking Iraq again. it's really hurt his career.

either way, i honestly don't think the majority of this country would elect him president because of his race. just the way i feel.

[QUOTE=illdefined]not that i'm doubting you cpayne, but where did you get this info? i'm practically glued to the news (i almost lost my life 9/11, was in the subway station underneath), and haven't heard any of this. i asked about Fox News in case you were about to say it was a liberal media plot. if this is true why wasn't it all over the news? more importantly, why wasn't Bush hammering us with this during his campaign?[/QUOTE]

Fahrenhype 9/11 gives that list.

In the past, particularly the Albany/Buffalo case, the media has gotten ahold of the details of surveillance techniques used in terrorism cases and broadcasted it to the world. This is not smart. You don't want to show your hand to the terrorists. If Bush had come out and listed counter terrorism successes, details would surface, thus making terrorists smarter.