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bottom line is: there are more quality defensive free agents than offensive at this point. I'm sure we'll see the market flood with quality OL as teams purge bad contracts so we could get lucky.

If we sign defensive players through FA we can use our draft picks for the offense. If we went OL with the first two picks (there's two more starters...probably.) leaving us with only one spot to fill and I'm sure there will be someone we can sign.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;667629]Daniel Snyder loves to spend big money on big names. So I fully expect him to sign Peppers, Dansby, and Rolle. [B]Offensive line be damned[/B].[/quote]They're still having the NFL Draft this year, right? One of the big issues often mentioned here is "our OL sucks, we never addressed it in the draft".

Cerrato's gone, Snyder's given the keys to the kingdom to ShanaAllen. Let's give them a little bit of a chance (even if they switch us to a 3-4 :)).

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I want to hear some chatter about us signing the top free agent offensive lineman that's all. Defense should be the least of our concerns right now since our biggest problem is consistently scoring.

re: Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;667629]Daniel Snyder loves to spend big money on big names. So I fully expect him to sign Peppers, Dansby, and [B]Rolle[/B]. Offensive line be damned.[/quote]

It's looking like Rolle is going to stay with Cardinals; they are trying to restructure and extend Rolle's contract, based on this source..

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/01/cards-working-on-way-to-keep-rolle-around/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Cards working on way to keep Rolle around «[/url]

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Hmm, while the reports of Peppers not giving 100% is concerning, isn't he a 'Skins fan? Maybe all he needs is a change of scenery.

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I would love to see Sproles in a Redskins uniform before Peppers.

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Sproles and Dansby are the most interesting "top tier" free agents to me. If we overspend for anyone, it should be Dansby. we need linebackers.

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if we're going to move fast, i'd want to lock up dansby first. I wouldn't mind waking up saturday morning and hearing it's a done deal.

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Not big on the Peppers move, but whatever the FO goes with i will support.

re: Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;667636]I want to hear some chatter about us signing the top free agent offensive lineman that's all. Defense should be the least of our concerns right now since our biggest problem is consistently scoring.[/quote]

So what FA OL is there right now? I know GB's, but I think they locked him up (could be wrong). It's just that the top FA's are on defense, just our luck ... DN's point was dead on, if we fill the D holes, even with short term FA contracts, that lets us focus our draft even more on OL. We want our FO to be considering all of the options and available players to improve the Skins whole team.

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;667646]if we're going to move fast, i'd want to lock up dansby first. I wouldn't mind waking up saturday morning and hearing it's a done deal.[/quote]

technically, i think you'd wake up friday morning and it'd all be a done deal.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;667648]So what FA OL is there right now? I know GB's, but I think they locked him up (could be wrong). It's just that the top FA's are on defense, just our luck ... DN's point was dead on, if we fill the D holes, even with short term FA contracts, that lets us focus our draft even more on OL. We want our FO to be considering all of the options and available players to improve the Skins whole team.[/quote]

i agree. as long as the defensive players we sign don't somehow prevent us from signing offensive linemen, then why not fill most, if not all, of our defensive needs through free agency?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;667640]I would love to see Sproles in a Redskins uniform before Peppers.[/quote]

Id be much more excited about bring Sproles here than Peppers.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667649]technically, i think you'd wake up friday morning and it'd all be a done deal.[/quote]

even better. I wonder if we'll sign a Dansby or a top-tier FA Thursday night/Friday morning.

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[QUOTE=DIE-NASTY;667626]ever hear of charles barkley? he was listed at 6'6" but probably wasn't even that tall. Why do you think they called him the Round Mound of Rebound.

[B]And I'm not saying Peppers would've been a NBA HOFer but I'd bet he'd be a double-double guy (12ppg/10 rebound average) which is pretty good.[/[/B]QUOTE]

It's been a long time, but I remember Peppers playing b-ball at UNC. He was a solid rebounder & post defender, had a nice jump hook, but not much of an offensive game otherwise. Being drafted in the 2nd round of the nba draft is analogous to the rounds 6-7 of the nfl, if that. Chances of making a roster are under 50%.

Peppers might've become a 12/10 guy as you say in the nba, but not without a lot of offseason work & improvement. He would've had a hard time making a roster as a rookie on most teams IMO. By comparison, he was a sure 1st rounder in the nfl draft.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;667636]I want to hear some chatter about us signing the top free agent offensive lineman that's all. Defense should be the least of our concerns right now since our biggest problem is consistently scoring.[/quote]I agree it's frustrating not hearing rumors on the OL FA front, but maybe that's a good thing and shows the FO will be addressing this early and often in the draft (although hopefully not at the expense of getting Clausen). I wouldn't be upset with Okung and Pouncey/Charles Brown as our 1st and 2nd.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667649]technically, i think you'd wake up friday morning and it'd all be a done deal.[/quote]

Ah the memories. I remember last year on FA Eve, listening, and even I think at 1am, and the Skins were not going to get anyone, then turning M & M on at 6am and hearing the top of the hour news that we signed AH. How GREAT is Redskins Offseason. (I would trade it all for a shiny new trophy!)

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I wouldn't mind hearing the rumor that Nick Kaczur has not reached terms with New England and would like to have a chat with Bruce Allen.

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what is Kaczur a UFA or RFA?

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I think the reason why we hear so much from the defensive guys right now becuase they are top tier guys.

The offensive guys will come. They freaking better or there is no reason to spen so much damn money on the d without an offense.

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Sign peppers to a one year deal only.

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[quote=redskin37;667690]Sign peppers to a one year deal only.[/quote]

Pretty sure he'll go for that considering how much he loved the franchise tag in Carolina.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667691]Pretty sure he'll go for that considering how much he loved the franchise tag in Carolina.[/quote]

Did i not get the memo of us going to the superbowl next year? What would a one year deal accomplish?

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[quote=WaldSkins;667692]Did i not get the memo of us going to the superbowl next year? What would a one year deal accomplish?[/quote]

What you didn't get the memo? Man I'm going to have to have a stern talk with HR. Anyway heres another memo.

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I think Dirtbag359's response was supposed to be sarcastic. After all, getting franchised is basically a 1-year deal.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;667695]I think Dirtbag359's response was supposed to be sarcastic. After all, getting franchised is basically a 1-year deal.[/quote]

It's alright, I think Waldskins response was more of a response to Redskin37 then it was to me.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;667695]I think Dirtbag359's response was supposed to be sarcastic. After all, getting franchised is basically a 1-year deal.[/quote]
You have my vote for Head Detective, Sir.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667696]It's alright, I think Waldskins response was more of a response to Redskin37 then it was to me.[/quote]

Yes indeeed Sir

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At this point I wouldn't get too worked up over Peppers. We're not high on his list and he's not high on ours. If we did sign him, it would mean that other options fell through for both sides.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667622]A 6'7 Power Forward in the NBA? Sorry but that's almost unheard of. Plus keep in mind he decided between being the number 2 pick in the NFL draft or possibly being a 2nd round pick int he NBA draft.[/quote]

Did you see him play at UNC? His playing weight was around 275 and if you got in his way he would posterize you. Basketball was a hobby for him and he was a dominant force in the ACC.

Billy Packer said he was arguably the best two way athlete in the history of the NCAA.

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[quote=SmootSmack;667726]At this point I wouldn't get too worked up over Peppers. We're not high on his list and he's not high on ours. If we did sign him, [B]it would mean that other options fell through for both sides.[/B][/quote]

What are our "other options" for Peppers, Great Wise One?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;667727]Did you see him play at UNC? His playing weight was around 275 and if you got in his way he would posterize you. Basketball was a hobby for him and he was a dominant force in the ACC.

Billy Packer said he was arguably the best two way athlete in the history of the NCAA.[/quote]

Even so in the NBA he likely would have been a role player with his height, in the NFL he's a star making around 10 times more then he would have playing basketball. I wouldn't say that he was a dominant force in the ACC. He was good averaging 7 ppg and 4 rebounds in his last season playing basketball. Now JJ Reddick, as much as I hated playing against him, was a dominant force in the ACC.

Though it is worth pointing out that he's named after Juilus Erving and Walt Fraizer, hence his name Juilus Fraizer Peppers.

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[quote=Lotus;667732]What are our "other options" for Peppers, Great Wise One?[/quote]

New England has interest in him. Okay...now I'll turn it over to the Great Wise One. :)

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[quote=53Fan;667737]New England has interest in him. Okay...now I'll turn it over to the Great Wise One. :)[/quote]

Sorry. I meant, "If we aren't looking foremost at Peppers, who are we looking at for our new 3-4 look?" That was my question for the Great Wise One.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667736]Even so in the NBA he likely would have been a role player with his height, in the NFL he's a star making around 10 times more then he would have playing basketball. I wouldn't say that he was a dominant force in the ACC. He was good averaging 7 ppg and 4 rebounds in his last season playing basketball. Now JJ Reddick, as much as I hated playing against him was a dominant force in the ACC.

Though it is worth pointing out that he's named after Juilus Erving and Walt Fraizer, hence his name Juilus Fraizer Peppers.[/quote]

His last game in the tournament he put up 21 and 10. He was so raw because it truly was a hobby.

I think if he focused on basketball he could have been a star.

Now on the making 10 times more in the NFL. Have you seen NBA contracts? There are role players making 10 million a year. There are guys who barely leave the bench who make 5. His longevity is impressive but typically an NBA career is much longer than an NFL career.

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[quote=Lotus;667738]Sorry. I meant, "If we aren't looking foremost at Peppers, who are we looking at for our new 3-4 look?" That was my question for the Great Wise One.[/quote]

My bad....I guess that shows why I'm not the Great Wise One........never mind. :laughing-

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I am going to assume the guys we are 'high"on are Dansby, Dunta R., and Sproles out of the top guys available.

Hoping Ryan Clark is on that list as well.

Now I have no clue as to what the FO is going to do about the offense yet.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667736]Even so in the NBA he likely would have been a role player with his height, in the NFL he's a star making around 10 times more then he would have playing basketball. I wouldn't say that he was a dominant force in the ACC. He was good averaging 7 ppg and 4 rebounds in his last season playing basketball. Now JJ Reddick, as much as I hated playing against him, was a dominant force in the ACC.

Though it is worth pointing out that he's named after Juilus Erving and Walt Fraizer, hence his name Juilus Fraizer Peppers.[/quote]

I suppose i wasn't clear earlier. As you say, Peppers is a much more successful football player than in basketball. Who really knows? The real point is that it takes a special athlete to compete at a high level in two sports. Deion Sanders, arguably the best cover corner to play in the NFL, wasn't the best pro baseball player (.263 career average) but he was a special athlete. Bo was a shooting star. I'd loved to have seen him have a full career. And for Peppers to play and start at UNC, a top-5 collegiate basketball program in the USA is special and he has the talent and ability to make the transition to cover as a LB.

JJ Redick is a cry baby and players from Duke (short of Grant Hill) are overrated. I loved that interview when he actually cried about the MD fans harassing his sister. somehow they got her phone number.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;667743]His last game in the tournament he put up 21 and 10. He was so raw because it truly was a hobby.

I think if he focused on basketball he could have been a star.

Now on the making 10 times more in the NFL. Have you seen NBA contracts? [B]There are role players making 10 million a year.[/B] There are guys who barely leave the bench who make 5. His longevity is impressive but typically an NBA career is much longer than an NFL career.[/quote]

You're talking about the guys like Tayshaun Prince, who have a solid overall game and are usually in their teams starting 5. Peppers rookie contract was 7 years with a minimum value of $50 million dollars. He likely earned the $62 million max with that contract not to mention the 18 million he made last year with the franchise tag and pro bowl bonus.

Unless he became a starter then Peppers would most likely have been making one or two million a year and been out of the league within 5 years. Sure maybe he could have gotten up to $5 million but for how long? Also keep in mind that you're talking about a league that doesn't take very kindly to power forwards uner 6'8. Elton Brand is the only guy I can think of that made it as a short power forward. In the NBA height is extremely important.

[quote=DIE-NASTY;667756]I suppose i wasn't clear earlier. As you say, Peppers is a much more successful football player than in basketball. Who really knows? [B]The real point is that it takes a special athlete to compete at a high level in two sports. [/B]Deion Sanders, arguably the best cover corner to play in the NFL, wasn't the best pro baseball player (.263 career average) but he was a special athlete. Bo was a shooting star. I'd loved to have seen him have a full career. And for Peppers to play and start at UNC, a top-5 collegiate basketball program in the USA is special and he has the talent and ability to make the transition to cover as a LB.
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Can't argue with that. I mean heck it's hard enough to play football and make the basketball team in high school let alone doing it at a school like UNC.

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[quote=SmootSmack;667726]At this point I wouldn't get too worked up over Peppers. We're not high on his list and he's not high on ours. If we did sign him, it would mean that other options fell through for both sides.[/quote]

That's encouraging...signing Peppers would be just like old time. The bad old times.