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I'm in the minority, but I like the signing. I think he tallies more yards than CP next season. I think them splitting the work load is important. Just like our jobs, it's important to find a company you fit in with and go from there. Hopefully LJ fits in here. I need to look at his career carries, but I think it's significantly less than CP.

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[quote=Mechanix544;673269]Plus, correct me if I a wrong, but didnt he have a pretty serious injury that kept him out his entire rookie season? I mean, a history of knee injuries to an overworked 30 yo bitchy RB doesnt really strike me like he is our back of the future, but why waste $$ and time on this asshole? Sorry, this move officially effin sucks. There are much better/younger options, especially if ppl think shanny can turn any RB he touches to gold. This might be his biggest project/challenge to date.[/quote]

Did you read the article, it's 3 years for $3.5 million. Only if he reaches certain incentives does it grow to $12 million.

And if he reaches the incentives, you'll be happy. It's a very low-cost deal.

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I am not saying he is overpriced, I am saying, why waste money on the guy in the first place, even if its a C Note. The guy is old, and an unstable personality to say the least.

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PEOPLE I'm not 100% behind this BUT we only have 5 picks in this draft unless we pick up more & we have so many holes to fill. Maybe this won't be the year to draft a RB WE ONLY HAVE 5 PICKS you do the math.

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[quote=Mechanix544;673279]I am not saying he is overpriced, I am saying, why waste money on the guy in the first place, even if its a C Note. The guy is old, and an unstable personality to say the least.[/quote]

Is he our starter?

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[quote=dmek25;673191]i was at the chiefs game last season. to say that L.J was dis- interested would be putting it mildly. don't like adding bad seeds to the redskins[/quote]


When you are 4-12 you can't worry about signing a bunch of boy scouts. If he helps the team (and I think he can in more than one way) you sign him. If he is a problem you cut him. His deal is peanuts so it really is another no risk deal with possibly a huge upside.

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[quote=Gmanc711;673198]This is the first signing I'm really not OK with... and about 99% of my feelings are about how he is off the field...

Anyone who has been arrested for hitting women before shouldn't even be in the league and quite honestly, I'm embarrassed that I'll end up cheering for that guy next season. I really hope London Fletcher knocks this piece of trash through a wall during training camp. I'll deal with Clinton Portis' pre-madona BS all day long... but when it comes to off the field incidnets like this, it really strikes a nerve with me.[/quote]

I believe that people deserve second chances. If he doesn't work out cut him.

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Opinion is all over the place on this signing. Portis and LJ may be a little past thier prime but teams generally keep 4 or 5 RB's so there is still time and roster space to add 1 or 2 more young RB's to the mix.

I am okay with the signing actually. I think he may have a little more left in the tank then most of the other veteran RB options. He did a lot of riding the pine in his early years.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;673203]Worthless, worthless, signing. We could get a young hungry player rather than this past-prime dude. I really hope i eat my words but there is no way in heck i would have signed this guy. I just dont see the upside.

SOMEONE PLEASE CLARIFY IT FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Ok. Since these young hungry running backs grow on trees name two? If people haven't noticed, this is a fairly limited Free Agent class.

Signing LJ makes sense. he has a lot less on the clock than these other FA runningbacks.

LJ ran behind not bad but HORRIBLE lines for years. I don't think he is done.

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[quote=Mechanix544;673210]On an additional note, I love how noone questions these moves, or lack thereof. I do hope people recall that Shanahan was borderline as a coach his last two seasons in Denver, and one might say the last 3 seasons. Sub 500 record the last 36 games. If he didnt inherit our defense, Id really be concerned this year as well. Anyone realize that he was ranked 30th and 28th in 2008 and 2007 in defensive pts allowed, respectively? And this team does not have the offense to offset that type of point differential, and what is being done to avoid that?? Larry Johnson and a career backup guard that wouldnt even get a starting spot on 90% of teams? Come on now, this has to make some fans in Redskin Nation a little uneasy.[/quote]

Shanahan has admitted that he made some mistakes and that is why Haslett was brought in.

Shanny is here to fix the offense and won't be destroying the defense.

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[quote=Defensewins;673225]The reactions to this pick up have been all over the place.
It is still so early in the offseason. There is a good chance Larry Johnson will not even make our final roster. This draft is deep in the RB position. Even if we draft only one RB, there will be some undrafted rookies that will get signed. Plus there is the final camp cuts from other teams that always has a talented RB or two.[/quote]

I would bet there is a better chance that Portis doesn't make the final roster.

Johnson knows this may be his last stop. Portis thinks he is the guy who just left the U.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673290]I believe that people deserve second chances. If he doesn't work out cut him.[/quote]

Agreed. He probably won't even be the starter.

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[quote=davy;673252]I don't want this piece of crap in a Redskins uniform.

I hope he doesn't make it through training camp.[/quote]

Good to see you aren't holding a grudge against the guy.

So you are pulling for our #2 runningback to get injured? Too bad we don't have more fans like you.

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[quote=Mechanix544;673269]Plus, correct me if I a wrong, but didnt he have a pretty serious injury that kept him out his entire rookie season? I mean, a history of knee injuries to an overworked 30 yo bitchy RB doesnt really strike me like he is our back of the future, but why waste $$ and time on this asshole? Sorry, this move officially effin sucks. There are much better/younger options, especially if ppl think shanny can turn any RB he touches to gold. This might be his biggest project/challenge to date.[/quote]


I really love how people make ridiculous claims like "there are a lot of better younger options than Larry Johnson" (like this guy is a nobody in the league) but can't name a single one.

It is easy to second guess every move and never offer a solution.

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[quote=tryfuhl;673258]If he helps us more than he hurts us we should be fine with it

[/quote]

Big [B]IF[/B]!

And [B]IF[/B] his fists stay away from any woman.


Right now the move seems very questionable.

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[quote=backrow;673299]Big [B]IF[/B]!

[B]And [B]IF[/B] his fists stay away from any woman. [/B]


Right now the move seems very questionable.[/quote]

Pimp hand is strong with this one...

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[quote=Mechanix544;673269]Plus, correct me if I a wrong, but didnt he have a pretty serious injury that kept him out his entire rookie season? I mean, a history of knee injuries to an overworked 30 yo bitchy RB doesnt really strike me like he is our back of the future, but why waste $$ and time on this asshole? Sorry, this move officially effin sucks. There are much better/younger options, especially if ppl think shanny can turn any RB he touches to gold. This might be his biggest project/challenge to date.[/quote]
And apparently he went out and ran for two consecutive 1700+ yard seasons. Highly doubtful his rookie injury has affected him since then.

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[SIZE="3"][B]Reading is a Good Thing People![/B][/SIZE]

Ok, for the whiners and complainers out there, we got LJ basically for nothing. The base salary for the 3 years is 3.5 million, I think the guaranteed money is 1.5 mil? The 12 million comes from incentives and whatnot

I'm starting to believe that BA knows how to work out contracts. While I wanted Willie Parker, being only a season removed from being the #1 guy on a good team, I'm sure WP would have wanted a heck of a lot more money. LT left SD because of money, and that's what he's looking for. Also, I'm sure these two guys may be looking to be the feature back wherever they land.

As far as LJ's off the field issues, well this is where I trust Shanahan as a disciplinarian. (And Lord knows we need one on this team). But I also see this as LJ's 2nd chance to show that he's not done or that his off the field issues are a thing of the past.

I am glad we are heading towards a multiple RB system. A lot of the successful teams are doing this, and I'm glad we seem to be headed that way. And for the young/hungry player fans out there, I'm sure we're drafting a RB in April. Hopefully we'll land our next Shonn Green or Tashard Choice.

Re: Redskins Sign Larry Johnson
 

[quote=Mechanix544;673269]Plus, correct me if I a wrong, but didnt he have a pretty serious injury that kept him out his entire rookie season? I mean, a history of knee injuries to an overworked 30 yo bitchy RB doesnt really strike me like he is our back of the future, but why waste $$ and time on this asshole? Sorry, this move officially effin sucks. There are much better/younger options, especially if ppl think shanny can turn any RB he touches to gold. This might be his biggest project/challenge to date.[/quote]

Who are these better younger options? And who said he needs to be our back of the future? He could very well have been signed just to be a backup. Its only March...other RB's will be drafted or signed.

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I hope we draft a back. Larry probably still has some juice in the tank, but we should have maybe waited to see if a younger FA RB would have been available.

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[quote=Daseal;673271]I'm in the minority, but I like the signing. I think he tallies more yards than CP next season. I think them splitting the work load is important. Just like our jobs, it's important to find a company you fit in with and go from there. Hopefully LJ fits in here. I need to look at his career carries, but I think it's significantly less than CP.[/quote]


I listed their respective career numbers on pg. 4. The columns are slightly off, but Portis and LT are waaaay ahead of LJ in every category. Games, number of carries, yards, TDs, you name it.

This was a good signing if you ask me.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;673325]I hope we draft a back. Larry probably still has some juice in the tank, but we should have maybe waited to see if a younger FA RB would have been available.[/quote]

If that happens, what would prevent us from signing them too?

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I doubt Portis is going anywhere. Why sign two FA running backs if you are going to draft someone? I mean Larry is a monster when he is on top of his game, but he is a short termer for sure. I only wonder if he is only going to be used for short yardage situations or is he actually going to split carries with Clinton. I guess it all comes down to what their plans are for Portis. I was hoping they would draft a kid and groom him to eventually take over for Portis. But you are right they could sign another FA if need be. Was Portis the only RB spared from the cuts?

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That's a lot of ink on that backfield!!

I didn't know LJ's father played for the Redskins back in 1974. I remember after he signed with Cincy last year (after being cut by KC) he was interviewed by Dan Patrick on his show and I was very impressed with him, he was very articulate and seemed very bright. Hard to believe after all the shit he pulled in KC. Maybe he has matured and will surprise us fans.

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Both of these backs in a split role could be a very good duo imo, lets see how it plays out.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;673337]That's a lot of ink on that backfield!!

I didn't know LJ's father played for the Redskins back in 1974. I remember after he signed with Cincy last year (after being cut by KC) he was interviewed by Dan Patrick on his show and I was very impressed with him, he was very articulate and seemed very bright. Hard to believe after all the shit he pulled in KC. [B]Maybe he has matured and will surprise us fans[/B].[/quote]

It could very well happen. As Ruhskins said, we seem to be signing these guys to realistic, performance based contracts. He's only making big money if he performs well. I think he's worth signing if only to get Portis's attention. Anything that makes Portis a little uncomfortable is good in my book. Maybe he'll get his ass in gear which I think SmootSmack was alluding to in one of his posts.

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If this was 3 -4 years ago the I'd be all for it. But he's older and a locker room nightmare. Our new RB coach is going to be miserable coaching CP and Larry Johnson. Could you imagine coming to work everyday and having to deal with these two malcontents??? lol.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;673241]Draft one...look around and ye shall also find one somewhere. Johnson just reminds me of Shawn Alexander.[/quote]

Get real Son. Johnson does not have the miles that Shaun Alexander had on him. LJ has alot to prove since his career the last few years have not gone well.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;673337]That's a lot of ink on that backfield!!

I didn't know LJ's father played for the Redskins back in 1974. I remember after he signed with Cincy last year (after being cut by KC) he was interviewed by Dan Patrick on his show and I was very impressed with him, he was very articulate and seemed very bright. Hard to believe after all the shit he pulled in KC. [B]Maybe he has matured and will surprise us fans.[/quote][/B]

[B]Um no. He got cut because when the shit got bad in KC and the losses piled up he ripped his coach on his twitter page. I actually found it funny that Haley has never played football at any level ever. But keep that crap to yourself. Disrespecting your coach on your twitter page is anything but mature. [/B]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;673280]PEOPLE I'm not 100% behind this BUT we only have 5 picks in this draft unless we pick up more & we have so many holes to fill. Maybe this won't be the year to draft a RB WE ONLY HAVE 5 PICKS you do the math.[/quote]

Agree with you we dont have enough picks this year to waste it on a lower round RB. I think with Portis, LJ and Alridge we can get the job done. Who knows maybe we sign a undrafted rookie free agent who could be a gem. We have a more pressing need to adress the O-Line in the draft. The only RB worth taking in the 1st round is CJ Spiller and we cannot afford to pick him with our 1st rd pick.

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[quote=backrow;673299]Big [B]IF[/B]!

And [B]IF[/B] his fists stay away from any woman.


Right now the move seems very questionable.[/quote]

Dude we have players in the NFL that have killed people ( D.Stallworth, Lenard Little) and a convicted fellon ( M.Vick) get off the LJ woman thing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;673346]If this was 3 -4 years ago the I'd be all for it. But he's older and a locker room nightmare. Our new RB coach is going to be miserable coaching CP and Larry Johnson. Could you imagine coming to work everyday and having to deal with these two malcontents??? lol.[/quote]

The coach is who brought Larry here and also the guy who made CP.

The days of our coach being a doormat to the players are over.

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[quote=Ruhskins;673318][SIZE="3"][B]Reading is a Good Thing People![/B][/SIZE]

Ok, for the whiners and complainers out there, we got LJ basically for nothing. The base salary for the 3 years is 3.5 million, I think the guaranteed money is 1.5 mil? The 12 million comes from incentives and whatnot

I'm starting to believe that BA knows how to work out contracts. While I wanted Willie Parker, being only a season removed from being the #1 guy on a good team, I'm sure WP would have wanted a heck of a lot more money. LT left SD because of money, and that's what he's looking for. Also, I'm sure these two guys may be looking to be the feature back wherever they land.

As far as LJ's off the field issues, well this is where I trust Shanahan as a disciplinarian. (And Lord knows we need one on this team). But I also see this as LJ's 2nd chance to show that he's not done or that his off the field issues are a thing of the past.

I am glad we are heading towards a multiple RB system. A lot of the successful teams are doing this, and I'm glad we seem to be headed that way. And for the young/hungry player fans out there, I'm sure we're drafting a RB in April. Hopefully we'll land our next Shonn Green or Tashard Choice.[/quote]

Well said. At last a Redskin fan that has a real football knowledge. We have some fans that need to Bit*h slapped.

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We have a coach and GM that have a plan for the future of the organization. We as fan need to sit back and let them make the decisions to get our roster ready for 2010 season. I trust that they know more about football than 99% of us on here. LJ signing is a low risk high reward signing due to his incentive type contract. If T. Owens can become a model football player than why not LJ. I think he just really wanted out of KC so he became a distraction. He from the DC area and he has alot to prove this year. I say lets wait and see how this plays out before we make a determination. We just dont have enough picks to draft a RB this year so we needed a veteran to back up Portis if he gets a season ending injury. LJ is the big brusing back we need to wear down defenses in the NFC East. I hope LJ gets off this season. 2 good backs are a must now.

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I think LJ has a good three years left in the tank, if you consider the amount of carries he has, which is 1421. Put that in this perspective: that's less than what Riggo had when Riggo first "retired".

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This is how I feel...I am a Gibbs guy and hate guys with attitude problems...but keep in mind he dealt with Riggo...anyways...that is nothing compaired to abuse...I dont know anything about that...so I will assume the best...that it is not true and that LJ just has attitude issues....
If so, who is suprised? this is Shanny's MO.

Bottom line question....is Larry Johnson a greater threat on the field as a backup or is Betts?

I don't think you will get much of an argument there...has anyone ever had Betts on their Fantasy Football team? ....NOT!

And the other point made...which is obviously beutiful...we have 5 picks...we want at least 1 starting Oline guy, a quality QB and a safety...not to mention a LB perhaps and others that fit a 3-4. That doesn't leave jack squat for RB.

Think of it this way....if you honestly thought Parker, LT and LJ , etc would be available without trade cost at the beginning of the year, you'd be crazy. I know they are getting older and have declined, but I don't buy it. Many of these guys are historical studs and at least a couple of them will continue to do damage....more damage than Betts could ever do. I just don't like his ethics issues....just get used to it. This aint Gibbs team anymore, Shanny hires guys with records.

I am on the fence, but objectively, he makes the team better as a backup RB.

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Chris Harris pretty much brushed the signing away

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?id=4991744]Larry Johnson's signing with the Washington Redskins means little from a fantasy perspective - ESPN[/url]

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Hopefully he will be good and put the baggage he left behind in KC!

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I think CP and LJ are both 'past their prime' backs, but it does't mean that the Redskins can't win with them. Not a bad gamble with both of them, but I wonder how long Portis has here. Would we really start season with Portis, Johnson? That's over 10 million in HBs...

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[quote=JPPT1974;673369]Hopefully he will be good and put the baggage he left behind in KC![/quote]

Do you really hope so? :)