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[quote=SmootSmack;676626]Being at the draft itself is painfully boring[/quote]

what the hell are the Jets fans going to do this year without a top 10 pick to boo?

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One of the things that I find interesting is that our interest in Tebow is so public. The MO on Allen is that he typically keeps his hand close to the vest. So, this could be feaux interest which may cause another GM to snag Tebow and allow someone who we really want to fall to us.

I don't see Allen making our picks in 10 seconds and bragging how Portis liked the pick...

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I am all for getting Okung but I not for Tebow. We have to be looking at some else like Pike.

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Probably wouldn't take either before the 3rd round...but I'd take Tebow over Pike. Just not sold on Pike at all.

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I'm not a fan of Pike either. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Tebow in the 2nd round. If we came away with Okung at #4 and Tebow in the 2nd... I wouldn't hate that at all.

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^ Because of the depth of the draft, there should be several capable OL in the second round. There should be some quality RB's in the second, too. I pray that we do not spend a second round pick on any QB, even if we get an extra #2 in a trade. Draft a QB very high or very low, feed the front in the middle rounds - that's what I say.

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NO to tebow! He can't read NFL defenses and even with his new delivery he's still slow at throwing the ball.

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[quote=Mattyk;677516]I'm not a fan of Pike either. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Tebow in the 2nd round. If we came away with Okung at #4 and Tebow in the 2nd... I wouldn't hate that at all.[/quote]

Agreed

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I would be nervous drafting Tebow. We need a QB that can be ready to play this year if we trade JC or at the latest opening day 2011. Everything I have read tells me that Tebow will not be ready to lead a team that soon.

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[quote=celts32;677543]I would be nervous drafting Tebow. [B]We need a QB that can be ready to play this year[/B] if we trade JC or at the latest opening day 2011. Everything I have read tells me that Tebow will not be ready to lead a team that soon.[/quote]

What are you talking about dude? We've got two...Jesus and the Sex God

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[quote=Mattyk;677516]I'm not a fan of Pike either. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Tebow in the 2nd round. If we came away with Okung at #4 and Tebow in the 2nd... I wouldn't hate that at all.[/quote]

I'm so happy people around here are warming up to #15. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;677550]What are you talking about dude? We've got two...Jesus and the Sex God[/quote]

Right...my bad. But what do I do if I can't sleep at night thinking about either of those options? Should I just take a sleeping pill every night until next years draft?

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I'm worried that if we get Tebow.. he makes some money after a few/handful of years, gets hurt and decides that he's made enough he'll just do his mission thing instead of coming back to football. I mean it's obvious that he works pretty hard and is dedicated to the game, at least the levels he's played at, but there's always that question at the back of my mind. I think that there are other project QBs out there, Tebow in the 4th would be fine with me.. MAYBE the 3rd if we had one, but aren't there better prospects in the 2nd?

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[quote=tryfuhl;677560]I'm worried that if we get Tebow.. he makes some money after a few/handful of years, gets hurt and decides that he's made enough he'll just do his mission thing instead of coming back to football. I mean it's obvious that he works pretty hard and is dedicated to the game, at least the levels he's played at, but there's always that question at the back of my mind. I think that there are other project QBs out there, Tebow in the 4th would be fine with me.. MAYBE the 3rd if we had one, but aren't there better prospects in the 2nd?[/quote]

He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would quit before he is sure he can't make it. I agree with your other point though. I do not think a QB that is changing his throwing motion in the middle of draft season should be even considered as a 2nd round pick. He is basically admitting that he's a project by fooling with his mechanics now. You don't draft projects in the 2nd round. IMO Tebow makes sense from late 3rd on.

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Way too many holes to fill on the OL and the OLB,ILB & RB to waste a pick on Tebow in the 2nd round...A second round pick should be counted on to produce in his first year...It would be a stupid move....Javid Best may be there in the 2nd, Sean whitherspoon(OLB)
or Maurice Ouncey(G/C)...why waste a 2nd on a backup QB that may never start???? We already have 2 2nd round passcatchers that havent panned out yet!!!!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;677540]NO to tebow! He can't read NFL defenses and even with his new delivery he's still slow at throwing the ball.[/quote]

He has a 3.72 GPA, and loves the game of football more then anything. I'm pretty convinced that he can be coached to properly read defenses. Plus I wouldn't say he's nearly as slow as the scouts have made him out to be. When I heard his release described I had visions of Byron Leftwich however it turns out that he's much quicker then I anticipated. Certainly average without the new coaching and abvoe average with it.

He's also got one hell of an arm. And keep in mind, Big Ben has a pretty slow release himself.

[quote]How many hours a week would you estimate you watch film? Coach Mullen was saying the later in the season, the more you watch because there’s more to digest. And I know that you do this all on your own, they don’t force you.

I would say over 20.[/quote]
Remember this is a guy who will not bear false witness or errrr lie.

[quote=tryfuhl;677560]I'm worried that if we get Tebow.. he makes some money after a few/handful of years, gets hurt and decides that he's made enough he'll just do his mission thing instead of coming back to football. I mean it's obvious that he works pretty hard and is dedicated to the game, at least the levels he's played at, but there's always that question at the back of my mind. I think that there are other project QBs out there, Tebow in the 4th would be fine with me.. MAYBE the 3rd if we had one, but aren't there better prospects in the 2nd?[/quote]

What is with this kick about first Myron Rolle and now Tim Tebow. All the time we wish for players that are smart and well rounded. Now all of a sudden they're to smart, to wholesome. Do we need a picture of them with a Thai hooker to bring them back down to earth? We have enough premadonnas in the league, it's about time we raised our standards a little. And look at it this way Tebow would balance out the trash that is Larry Johnson.

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[quote=celts32;677563]He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would quit before he is sure he can't make it. I agree with your other point though. I do not think a QB that is changing his throwing motion in the middle of draft season should be even considered as a 2nd round pick. He is basically admitting that he's a project by fooling with his mechanics now. You don't draft projects in the 2nd round. IMO Tebow makes sense from late 3rd on.[/quote]

For those that don't think "projects" should be taken in the 2nd round, remember Aaron Rodgers. Great college numbers, seen as a solid prospect, but really had to change his throwing motion, just like Tebow. Rodgers was drafted in the late the first round and sat for a few years. Now he's an elite QB.

Obviously everyone around here knows I'm a huge Tebow fan. Maybe he's not a fit for us, maybe he is. I don't know. But the recent report (I think from Redskins Insider, don't remember exactly where I read it) saying that Shanahan wants to "draft a QB and raise him," seems like a plan that may work with Tebow. All accounts from the combine is that Tebow is extremely coachable and was really impressive at the chalkboard during the classroom sessions. I think if he sat for a year or two behind Campbell or whomever and continue to work on the mechanics, he could step in and be a solid NFL starter.

One thing you know without a doubt if you draft Tebow- you're going to get 100% all in effort from the kid. He's been a first guy in last guy out type of player his entire life. He has every single thing you want in a football player, except for a throwing motion. And look how much he improved that in 5 weeks.

End rant reflecting unabashed man-crush... :)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;677540]NO to tebow! [B]He can't read NFL defenses[/B] and even with his new delivery he's still slow at throwing the ball.[/quote]

Really?? How many games has he played in the NFL? I suppose Cult Brennan is a better choice? lol.

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[quote=GMScud;677574]Really?? How many games has he played in the NFL? I suppose Cult Brennan is a better choice? lol.[/quote]

Actually I think he's making fun of the cult with his SN. I doubt he's a Brennan supporter.

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[quote=GMScud;677573]For those that don't think "projects" should be taken in the 2nd round, remember Aaron Rodgers. Great college numbers, seen as a solid prospect, but really had to change his throwing motion, just like Tebow. Rodgers was drafted in the late the first round and sat for a few years. Now he's an elite QB.

Obviously everyone around here knows I'm a huge Tebow fan. Maybe he's not a fit for us, maybe he is. I don't know. But the recent report (I think from Redskins Insider, don't remember exactly where I read it) saying that Shanahan wants to "draft a QB and raise him," seems like a plan that may work with Tebow. All accounts from the combine is that Tebow is extremely coachable and was really impressive at the chalkboard during the classroom sessions. I think if he sat for a year or two behind Campbell or whomever and continue to work on the mechanics, he could step in and be a solid NFL starter.

One thing you know without a doubt if you draft Tebow- you're going to get 100% all in effort from the kid. He's been a first guy in last guy out type of player his entire life. He has every single thing you want in a football player, except for a throwing motion. And look how much he improved that in 5 weeks.

End rant reflecting unabashed man-crush... :)[/quote]

You make some good points but I have a couple issues. I think you may be over estimating by classifying Rodgers as a project. The guy was considered by most to be a top 10 pick in the draft but ended up slipping on draft day. He was even in the mix to be the top pick for a while.

Also what if Campbell can't do it and that's obvious by October 2010? I am not willing to wait 2 years for Tebow to be ready. That is my main issue with him. Maybe he can develop...but it seems to me that maybe there are other QB's available that Shanny could develop faster. I don't want to be sitting around in 2011 playing Sexxy or Campbell because Tebow still isn't ready.

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I wonder how Billy Kilmer would be graded today?

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I take Tebow in the 2nd he has grown on me and it would create a lot of drama around here! It may divide this board like the famous kool-aid days.

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And we thought things were bad with the Cult of Colt?

Can you imagine the Temple of Tebow?

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[quote=celts32;677593]You make some good points but I have a couple issues. I think you may be over estimating by classifying Rodgers as a project. The guy was considered by most to be a top 10 pick in the draft but ended up slipping on draft day. He was even in the mix to be the top pick for a while.

[B]Also what if Campbell can't do it and that's obvious by October 2010? I am not willing to wait 2 years for Tebow to be ready.[/B] That is my main issue with him. Maybe he can develop...but it seems to me that maybe there are other QB's available that Shanny could develop faster. I don't want to be sitting around in 2011 playing Sexxy or Campbell because Tebow still isn't ready.[/quote]

Well, I highly doubt Campbell flops so badly that Grossman becomes a better option. And are any rookie qbs really "ready?" I mean, it's a relative term. Bradford is certainly more "ready" right now than Tebow, but neither of them would out-perform Campbell in 2010.

Not that I'm advocating it, but I think Grossman was brought in precisely for this reason- if Campbell flops or gets hurt, we've got a guy who has started plenty of games in the NFL that can be a stop-gap so we don't have to throw the rookie to the wolves.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;677569]What is with this kick about first Myron Rolle and now Tim Tebow. All the time we wish for players that are smart and well rounded. Now all of a sudden they're to smart, to wholesome. Do we need a picture of them with a Thai hooker to bring them back down to earth? We have enough premadonnas in the league, it's about time we raised our standards a little. And look at it this way Tebow would balance out the trash that is Larry Johnson.[/quote]

Agreed.

Every draft expert would rather take Fragile Bradford #1 over Concrete Cyanide.

Myron Rolle isnt even considered a first rounder just because he is a Rhodes Scholar I think he is projected 4th rounder he could be gem if still around for us.

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Jevan Snead looking strong today at Ole Miss Pro Day.

McCluster apparently ran under a 4.4, interesting that a lot of teams are looking at him only as a WR

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[quote=GMScud;677626]Well, I highly doubt Campbell flops so badly that Grossman becomes a better option. And are any rookie qbs really "ready?" I mean, it's a relative term. Bradford is certainly more "ready" right now than Tebow, but neither of them would out-perform Campbell in 2010.

Not that I'm advocating it, but I think Grossman was brought in precisely for this reason- if Campbell flops or gets hurt, we've got a guy who has started plenty of games in the NFL that can be a stop-gap so we don't have to throw the rookie to the wolves.[/quote]

I believe with Shanny coaching them that Bradford certainly and possibly Clausen could be a better option then Campbell. At minimum with conservative play calling they could do as well. In reality we know what Campbell is...he's a guy who will play okay...not make a lot of mistakes but not make a lot of big plays either.

The longer it takes to get Shanny's QB up to speed the longer it will take for the Redskins to compete for a championship. In my eyes sitting around in 2011 with anyone other then the long term answer at QB lining up under center is huge waste of time.

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Despite how trendy it's been lately to play a rookie QB from day 1, I don't like the idea unless you have a strong cast around him, which we don't have.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;677565]Way too many holes to fill on the OL and the OLB,ILB & RB to waste a pick on Tebow in the 2nd round...A second round pick should be counted on to produce in his first year...It would be a stupid move....Javid Best may be there in the 2nd, Sean whitherspoon(OLB)
or Maurice Ouncey(G/C)...why waste a 2nd on a backup QB that may never start???? We already have 2 2nd round passcatchers that havent panned out yet!!!![/quote]

bam! nicely said ChikenMonkey. We can take guys in the first two rounds that fill roles of legitmate need. Rebuilding takes time, lets give JC/SexyRexy a semblance of an Oline, if they don't pan out, we can worry about a QB next year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677646]Jevan Snead looking strong today at Ole Miss Pro Day.

McCluster apparently ran under a 4.4, interesting that a lot of teams are looking at him only as a WR[/quote]


I really like McCluster. The guy is dynamite.

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[quote=Mattyk;677653]Despite how trendy it's been lately to play a rookie QB from day 1, I don't like the idea unless you have a strong cast around him, which we don't have.[/quote]

I am not as concerned with the rookie starting on opening day 2010 but I want a rookie Qb that can be ready to go by opening day 2011 at the latest. It doesn't sound all that likely that Tebow will be ready in that timeframe.

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I think it's funny when they say they are holding work outs with them.....

I mean I read somewhere that NFL rules regarding work outs is that they draftee can work out at his home town high school, his college or his hometown. I think. The only thing the draftee's can do at the Redskins facility is get an examination and talk football. No physical work outs are allowed. So I hear.

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[quote=celts32;677669]I am not as concerned with the rookie starting on opening day 2010 but I want a rookie Qb that can be ready to go by opening day 2011 at the latest. It doesn't sound all that likely that Tebow will be ready in that timeframe.[/quote]

Bam! and this is my issue. I betting JC is not here next year. He'll have another year of mediocracy, the front office will not renew his contract, and we will be stuck with SexyRexy who is not a franchise QB and a late round QB like Colt Brennan, only Colt has a couple of years in the league vs. a Rookie who will take just as long about 2-3 yrs to get up to speed.

If were in that mode then everyone better hope Colt comes out banging. Otherwise we are screwed. Which is why I'd rather pick a QB high in this yrs draft and if he's the best QB we have play him if not he has a yr to get up to speed in order to replace JC.

No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round. JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.

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[quote=SBXVII;677677]Bam! and this is my issue. I betting JC is not here next year. He'll have another year of mediocracy, the front office will not renew his contract, and we will be stuck with SexyRexy who is not a franchise QB and a late round QB like Colt Brennan, only Colt has a couple of years in the league vs. a Rookie who will take just as long about 2-3 yrs to get up to speed.

If were in that mode then everyone better hope Colt comes out banging. Otherwise we are screwed. Which is why I'd rather pick a QB high in this yrs draft and if he's the best QB we have play him if not he has a yr to get up to speed in order to replace JC.

No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round. JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.[/quote]

This is why I would be doing whatever I have to do to get whatever QB Shanny rates as the best. If Shanny wants Bradford then they need to bite the bullet and trade up to #1 and get him. If it's Clausen they need to take him at #4. Either way, I think it is imperative that the Redskins leave this draft with the guy they view as the long term QB on the roster.

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[quote=celts32;677669]I am not as concerned with the rookie starting on opening day 2010 but I want a rookie Qb that can be ready to go by opening day 2011 at the latest. It doesn't sound all that likely that Tebow will be ready in that timeframe.[/quote]Essentially, there's really no one in this class who, in the near term future, isn't going to force you to take the good with the bad. Tebow's going to be rough around the edges for some time...maybe to the point where he's completely unplayable as a first year player (he didn't really even run a college playbook until his Sophomore year -- when he won the Heisman), but I believe development after that point will happen pretty standard amongst all QBs in this draft.

If the projection for Tebow is that he's going to be a highly efficient player, I say, go for it.

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[quote=SBXVII;677677]Bam! and this is my issue. I betting JC is not here next year. He'll have another year of mediocracy, the front office will not renew his contract, and we will be stuck with SexyRexy who is not a franchise QB and a late round QB like Colt Brennan, only Colt has a couple of years in the league vs. a Rookie who will take just as long about 2-3 yrs to get up to speed.

If were in that mode then everyone better hope Colt comes out banging. Otherwise we are screwed. Which is why I'd rather pick a QB high in this yrs draft and if he's the best QB we have play him if not he has a yr to get up to speed in order to replace JC.

No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round. JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.[/quote]

Actually remember that either Colt or Grossman would be left out. It is a pretty dicey situation but worse comes to worse you could apply the tranistion tag to JC or find a veteran to bring in. The team is 2 or 3 years away from competing anyway but at the same time we have a heavy emphasis on the run so Tebow won't be left out in the cold. I think though that he will develop faster then people think but all of this could be moot. Personally Tebow reminds me of a shorter and more wholesome version of Big Ben.

Also remember that Flacco and Ben had pretty smooth transitions from the spread in college so while the spread offense is a deterent it's still not a deal breaker especially when it comes to early success.

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Is it just me or has the support for Tebow really picked up in the last day or two?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;677748]Is it just me or has the support for Tebow really picked up in the last day or two?[/quote]

seems like it

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[quote=GMScud;677574]Really?? How many games has he played in the NFL? I suppose Cult Brennan is a better choice? lol.[/quote]

Fine then lets change that to something worse, he can't read defenses period.

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[quote=SBXVII;677677]No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. [B]Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round.[/B] JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.[/quote]You want us to pick Bradford, my god. There's never been a QB in the history of the draft built like him who actually has been slated to be drafted in the first round. At best, he defies all comparable. At worst, he has no business being a first rounder.

I don't think you have any idea that it costs more to go from No. 4 to No. 1 than it does to go from wherever we pick in the draft next year to No. 4. But this, unfortunately, is fact.