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Lets see.... Haynesworth decided to use the same trainer he used during his pro bowl years of 2007-2008. He made the decision after not using him last year and not going to the pro bowl AND catching flak from the fans and media about being out of shape. He notified team officials of this, but still showed up for the first day of orientation and conditioning as the coach had asked. So in a nutshell, instead of putting his conditioning into the hands of a bunch of new guys he's not familiar with, something I guess he did last year, he decided to go back to the trainer he used that helped get him to the pro bowl, notified team officials of this back in January, and showed up the first day of orientation. Yep...we ought to can his ass. Didn't Fletch miss some time a year or 2 ago? We should have gotten rid of that sorry slacker too. :yeahright

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[quote=SmootSmack;677081]Shahanan and Allen knew about this long before going into last week so they weren't blindsided.

None of the Redskins should be blindsided by this, they knew what they were getting when they signed AH last year. This is how he operates. They're kidding themselves if they thought they were going to change him[/quote]

I don't have a problem w/ guys working out on their own. Sean Taylor did this too. But Haynesworth doesn't get the benefit of the doubt cause he was so badly out of shape last year. He got his money and then didn't take on the responsibility that comes with that contract. I'd try and trade him but who wants to eat his massive contract and bad attitude??

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[quote=skinsfan69;677168]I don't have a problem w/ guys working out on their own. Sean Taylor did this too. [B]But Haynesworth doesn't get the benefit of the doubt cause he was so badly out of shape last year. He got his money and then didn't take on the responsibility that comes with that contract.[/B] I'd try and trade him but who wants to eat his massive contract and bad attitude??[/quote]

So this year he is taking steps to correct him being out of shape last year and taking responsibility, what's the big deal about this?

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[quote=D'BOYZ;677125].... I just don't get why he's making such a big deal of this worst case scenario things don't work he still gets 40 mill and moves to a team that plays the 4-3 where he's good and gets another 30 mill[/quote]

im not worried about AH leaving after the first day. i thought his impact on games when he was in there was something we havent had in a long time at the DT spot. i got an AH jersey, etc so im a fan of the man...

but this 22 milion dollar signing bonus due to him in 2 weeks really has me interested, has me interested since teh day it was announced. ive never heard anything like this. i understand it was done to greatly lessen the cap ramifications of his contract but . .

i am worried that the skins may have set themselves up to be played by AH and his agent. after the bulk of this guaranteed money is given in 2 weeks, what is going to happen? what is going to happen after this season? what if this season is a losing one and AH doesnt like the 3-4?

AH holds all the cards and leverage.

A one time payment of a 22 million dollar signing bonus is unprecendented in this league.

+

AH, while a great player, seems to be your protypical modern athlete.

= potential big problems.

this is much to do about nothing right now, but it could be the beginning of the end.

with all that said, its just a week of voluntary work outs. for the moment.

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[quote=Mattyk;677152]Rather than focusing on the negative I'm focusing on the fact guys at least showed for the first day and gave Shanahan that level of respect. What they did after that is between them and the team.[/quote]

A 4-12 season has a way of causing a hair-trigger effect on the negativity.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677154]Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels to name a couple[/quote]

Thank you. That helps to put things into perspective.

Where are all of the people calling out Philip Daniels for missing?

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I guess because Daniels doesn't make as much money and even at age 37 he's still probably in better shape than anyone else on the team

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[quote=SmootSmack;677154]Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels to name a couple[/quote]

Chirp. Chirp.
What? Not a sound form the angry mob?

It is clear this is more about the axe to grind against Haynesworth and Landry and very little to do about the facts.

This just in....Chris Cooley was late returning from lunch break. Hang him!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;677151]Wouldn't it be more fun for us to guess who else left early? Let's see... probably overpaid, over-hyped guys with big egos who think they're better than they really are. H-m-m-m-m. Ok, I'll go with Carlos Rogers and LaRon Landry.[/quote]


Sounds like you guessed wrong.

Again, Landry hatred for no reason... unbelievable.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677154]Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels to name a couple[/quote]


Both of these guys would bruise your hand if you patted them on the back. It seems like training away from the park isn't the end of the world, is it? Where are the "they are locker room cancers" "Cut them immdiately" responses?

Neither one of them could hold Godzilla's jockstrap, btw.

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[quote=skinsfan69;677168]I don't have a problem w/ guys working out on their own. Sean Taylor did this too. But Haynesworth doesn't get the benefit of the doubt cause he was so badly out of shape last year. He got his money and then didn't take on the responsibility that comes with that contract. I'd try and trade him but who wants to eat his massive contract and bad attitude??[/quote]


So you really want to trade the best player on the team.....wow.

What is your evidence that he is out of shape? Aren't all 360 pound men "out of shape"? My understanding is that he played a higher % of snaps than they said he would.

He didn't become the DPOY as a 275 pounder.

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I could care less of Fat Albert. Just show up and be in a bit better shape than last year. That is something he can work on by himself.

I would be worried if CP or 'Los didnt show. CP because of all his issues over the years as a Skin, and CR because we simply arent too deep at CB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;677177]So this year he is taking steps to correct him being out of shape last year and taking responsibility, what's the big deal about this?[/quote]

It's not a huge deal. We'll see come training camp what kind of shape he's in.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;677199]So you really want to trade the best player on the team.....wow.

What is your evidence that he is out of shape? Aren't all 360 pound men "out of shape"? My understanding is that he played a higher % of snaps than they said he would.

He didn't become the DPOY as a 275 pounder.[/quote]

Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.

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[quote=skinsfan69;677217]Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. [B]The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth[/B].[/quote]

:lol:

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I disagree skinsfan69, I think he was by far the best player on our D last year. Carter just didnt just find the fountain of youth last offseason to become a beast. AH disrupted the line and brought enough attention to allow our DEs to pressure the QB.

Sure he went down faster than a thai hooker, but he still was a disruptive force when he played. I think he was the best player on the field when he was in. This doesnt mean he gets a free pass; he should try to get in better shape to help our team and maybe more than 60 percent of the time.

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The team employed a lame training method during the Zorn years(and apparently, was carried over from the Gibbs year; there was no mention of change the workout methods then): the HITS method, which apparently leads to athletes who aren't strong as they could be if they used something like the conjugate method. .

(gotten from me lurking at ES and checking out one of KDawg's thread, one of the few members there who actually knows football over there)

Also, even with him being out of shape, he was clearly an impact player when he was in there. Back in 2008, QBs ALWAYS had a comfortable pocket and the D was getting gashed by runs late in the 2nd half almost every damn week during the second half of the season. I don't fault him for being suspicious of a "product" and taking the less risky way of going back to form.

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Big Al speaks....

[URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=202198&feedID=2992"]Haynesworth: 'I Need To Do This'[/URL]

[QUOTE]When asked about making a switch to the 3-4 defense, a change that the Redskins are widely believed to be making, Haynesworth said that while he’s never played it before he will do what they ask of him. “I’m not going to be a distraction or anything so I’ll just do what they want me to do,” he said.

He said that he would prefer to play end on a three-man line as opposed to nose tackle. End is much more of a playmaking position as opposed to the man in the middle, who generally is assigned to taking on double teams and allowing others to make the plays.

Haynesworth recalled a conversation he had with Jim Washburn, his defensive line coach when he was with the Titans. “He said that I’m built like [basketball] center, but I want to be out there on the perimeter shooting threes.”

“I’d definitely say end,” Haynesworth said. He pointed out that he’s 6’ 6” and most nose tackles are “stump-type players”.

“I don’t think I’m built to be a nose tackle,” he said.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=skinsfan69;677217]Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.[/quote]

Well if you get this fired up over Godzilla, you would need a straightjacket to watch Wilfork. He played 8% less of the potential snaps. Ratliff played the same percentage of plays.

Ratliff can play in traffic if you ask me. He is a Cowboy.

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[quote=Redskins_P;677234]Big Al speaks....

[URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=202198&feedID=2992"]Haynesworth: 'I Need To Do This'[/URL][/quote]


This is a good read. Further evidence that Jim Zorn was an effing idiot. (Not that we needed any)

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[quote=Redskins_P;677234]Big Al speaks....

[URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=202198&feedID=2992"]Haynesworth: 'I Need To Do This'[/URL][/quote]

I do really think Haynesworth would be out of position playing NT in the 3-4. Paying all that money for him to just be a space eater? That seems a bit ridiculous. If you look at true NT, they are bulkier than him and take up more horizontal space (I know this sounds ridiculous). If you look at Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork, they are built differently than Haynesworth. Honestly, I think that has been a big flaw of the previous FO administration...trying to fit players in the wrong scheme (Orakpo as a 4-3 LB, Landry as a FS, etc., etc.). Now, Shanny and company are new and obviously are working with what they have, and probably have explored having AH at NT. But I also don't blame AH for not wanting to be in a position where he won't be productive and helpful to the team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;677217]Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.[/quote]

So Wilfork, Mr. It's A Slap In The Face If You Franchise Me is a lunch pail guy and not some fatass prima donna compared to Haynesworth.

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[quote=Ruhskins;677245]I do really think Haynesworth would be out of position playing NT in the 3-4. Paying all that money for him to just be a space eater? That seems a bit ridiculous. If you look at true NT, they are bulkier than him and take up more horizontal space (I know this sounds ridiculous). If you look at Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork, they are built differently than Haynesworth. Honestly, I think that has been a big flaw of the previous FO administration...trying to fit players in the wrong scheme (Orakpo as a 4-3 DE, Landry as a FS, etc., etc.). Now, Shanny and company are new and obviously are working with what they have, and probably have explored having AH at NT. But I also don't blame AH for not wanting to be in a position where he won't be productive and helpful to the team.[/quote]

I agree with you and AH. He'd be better at DE than at NT.

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Let him train with the guy that got him in pro bowl shape. He didn't last year and people complain he was out of shape. I imagine he'll be training with the new staff during the season. He made a big impact last year but we signed him to be Godzilla. If this guy gets him back in top shape, Godzilla's what we'll get.

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lavar is killing him right now on the radio. I hope AH hears this.

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No wonder he's always retreating to the sidelines to suck on the oxygen tank.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;677271]lavar is killing him right now on the radio. I hope AH hears this.[/QUOTE]

lavar is an effing moron.

Big al's explanation certainly sheds some much needed light on this situation. Sure it might be better for haynesworth to practice with the rest of the team, but it seems like he knows what he's doing and at least there's no going around people's backs or any of that CP tricky business... I, personally, am not worried about him missing these workouts now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;677217]Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.[/quote]

Did he play at a different weight in Tennessee??

Damn bro you bitch more than he does, he hasn't bitched at all about the 3-4 despite what people want to believe.

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[quote=GMScud;677000]That's a nice article and all, but didn't we hear the same thing in years past about Portis staying in Miami and "working out" at the U, only to see him show up doughy and out of shape? Where was Haynesworth's offseason commitment last year after all his big talk when we signed him? Now all of a sudden he's committed to having a big year? Puuuuh-lease.

The bottom part of this Jason Reid article really tells the tale:

[I]Despite Shanahan's tough talk about players needing to show their commitment to the program if they want to be on the team, the reality is that didn't apply to Haynesworth. The Redskins will cut him a check for a guaranteed $21 million option bonus in April, and Haynesworth's 2010 and 2011 base salaries are guaranteed, too.[/I]
[I]With the money Haynesworth is guaranteed, there's no way the Redskins would cut him for not reporting. Moreover, regardless if some in the main building believe Haynesworth has a bad attitude (and trust us, some do), the coaching staff knows they need the guy because he's one of few elite players on the roster.[/I]


So basically both parties know damn well he's not going anywhere for financial reasons. His agent probably told him to show up day 1 for PR purposes, then go do whatever the hell you want. Why anyone is giving this guy the benefit of the doubt is beyond me. From the standpoint of a Redskins fan I sure hope he's working hard on his own, but after last season I'll believe it when I see it.


I just don't like the dude.[/quote]

eacxtly dead on how i feel especaially the last line, great post :goodjob:

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[quote=skinsfan69;677217]Potentially he's the best player on the team. My eyeballs tell me that he was not at his best. I don't care how many snaps he's played. I'd rather take guys like Vince Wilfork or Jay Ratliff. Give me some lunch pale type guys, not some fat ass prima donna that has to come out of the game after two plays in a row. Or someone who rolls around on the groud like a fish out of water cause he's tired. Or someone that's going to bitch about playing in a 3-4. Lose some damn weight cause he's not as effective at 360lbs. That's obvious. The word is out on Mr. Buttersworth.[/quote]

Adding Haynesworth took the team from a pathetic 24 sacks in 2008 to 40 team sacks in 2009. He made a huge difference. That sack increase can be attributed solely to Al. Without him, Orakpo would be getting the double teams instead of him and his sacks would not have been there.

As for his durability or the number of plays he's actually on the field...realize he's the only player on our D consistently being double-teamed on every play. He must be to be stopped. He's pushing against 600-700 pounds a play, not 300-350. When he's not on the field, Rak gets the double but that's only when Al is sitting. He adds the dimension to our defense that makes us dangerous...one that leaves the opposing offense with more than one player they wish they could double team, but can't.

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[quote=53Fan;677270]Let him train with the guy that got him in pro bowl shape. He didn't last year and people complain he was out of shape. I imagine he'll be training with the new staff during the season. He made a big impact last year but we signed him to be Godzilla. If this guy gets him back in top shape, Godzilla's what we'll get.[/quote]

I agree with you. Last year was a waste of a season all around noone was committed to anything especially winning. Big AL said it to many chiefs and they showed it. Hell even CP got out as soon as he seen an opening. So only time will tell.

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You'd think Haynesworth is the only player in the whole league not working out with his team.

You know Logan Mankins is sitting at home because he wants a new contract, but most Pats fans aren't that worried because it's March and they know he'll be around when needed. Unfortunately, we Redskins fans have become so enamored with spring football that we seem to forget...that it's March for crying out loud.

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[quote=Buster;677298]Adding Haynesworth took the team from a pathetic 24 sacks in 2008 to 40 team sacks in 2009. He made a huge difference. [B]That sack increase can be attributed solely to Al. [/B]Without him, Orakpo would be getting the double teams instead of him and his sacks would not have been there.

As for his durability or the number of plays he's actually on the field...realize he's the only player on our D consistently being double-teamed on every play. He must be to be stopped. He's pushing against 600-700 pounds a play, not 300-350. When he's not on the field, Rak gets the double but that's only when Al is sitting. He adds the dimension to our defense that makes us dangerous...one that leaves the opposing offense with more than one player they wish they could double team, but can't.[/quote]



u mean Orakpo, and carter... because for i think 7, of Orakpo's sacks.... and about 4 or carters... Ur boy AL wasnt even on the field.

u seem to forget how much time this guy missed weather it be taking plays off for a breather or getting hurt...

besides that point, i hope he works hard during this off-season and contributes to the best of his ability.

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[quote=Mattyk;677291]Did he play at a different weight in Tennessee??[/quote]

According to his 2002 draft profile he weighed in at 320 pounds. These days he's listed at 350.
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/99581.html]CNNSI.com - Albert Haynesworth - -[/url]

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I'm really not seeing a difference

[IMG]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008_images/fantasy/albert-haynesworth.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/02/27/PH2008022703904.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/374/10/albert_haynesworth-388x500.0.0.0x0.388x500.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/damon_hack/06/05/spoiler-alerts/albert-haynesworth-p2.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://realredskins.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Albert-Haynesworth-vs.-Gian.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/AlbertHaynesworth1.jpg[/IMG]

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Oh that Tenneesee. See I thought you mean between when he played in college and now.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;677271]lavar is killing him right now on the radio. I hope AH hears this.[/quote]

That came out of left field...

Lavar was a role player on the only decent team that he played for here, what gives him the right to blast these guys like he does?

Big Al has certainly accomplished more on much better teams than Lavar ever did.

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[quote=Ruhskins;677245]I do really think Haynesworth would be out of position playing NT in the 3-4. Paying all that money for him to just be a space eater? That seems a bit ridiculous. If you look at true NT, they are bulkier than him and take up more horizontal space (I know this sounds ridiculous). If you look at Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork, they are built differently than Haynesworth. Honestly, I think that has been a big flaw of the previous FO administration...trying to fit players in the wrong scheme ([B]Orakpo as a 4-3 DE[/B], Landry as a FS, etc., etc.). Now, Shanny and company are new and obviously are working with what they have, and probably have explored having AH at NT. But I also don't blame AH for not wanting to be in a position where he won't be productive and helpful to the team.[/quote]

Pretty sure you meant Rak at LB in the 4-3? But I see your point. Add Kris Jenkins to the list of prototype NT...that dude is wider than he is tall lol.

I think AH is smart for "casually" saying he'll prefer DE in the 3-4. Smart both because it's definitely the best spot for him in that defense and smart because he's not demanding or saying anything to come across like he's not bought in to the new regime. I tend to think Al is a pretty smart guy.

Putting him at DE in the new scheme could be awesome. It essentially means the opposing offense will struggle mightily to run left and absolutely have to designate 2 blockers to that side full time. BUT it's critical the rest of the DL is at least average to above average or we'll just watch teams run all over us to the right (their right). This Kemo guy needs to come thru and/or we need to find another legit NT AND Daniels must have a fantastic season. Preferably we need another stud there behind Daniels. Going into the off-season I would have though Zoe or Jarmon would be training as Daniels' replacement. I guess the powers that be see those two guys as LBs now? So who will back up Daniels? I mean you sure as hell can't have the mindset a 37 yr old is a sure thing through a season...

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[quote=SmootSmack;677329]You'd think Haynesworth is the only player in the whole league not working out with his team.

You know Logan Mankins is sitting at home because he wants a new contract, but most Pats fans aren't that worried because it's March and they know he'll be around when needed. Unfortunately, we Redskins fans have become so enamored with spring football that we seem to forget...that it's March for crying out loud.[/quote]

It's because Spring football is OUR time man, I mean c'mon :silly:

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I really don't understand why AH is so opposed to playing NT. Won't it be similar to when he was in the 4-3. In both ailments inst AH gonna take on double teams?