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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;677532]wow, i hadnt heard that.... although i doubt he'd slip all the way to our 2nd round pick (at the bottom of the 2nd round after the trade with the vikings). In that case, i'd take Campbell or Saffold at 17. From what i've read, theres a substantial drop-off in talent after the first 6-7 OTs, where as theres not much difference between the top tackles not named okung.[/quote]

I wouldn't say theres much of a drop off in talent as there is a dropoff in NFL ready players. Guys like Vladimir Ducasse and Jared Veldheer. Both of those guys could easily be this years Sebastian Vollmer.

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[quote=murphy196;677421]Your thoughts on taking McCoy and Tebow over Clausen based on Stats are just absurd. Granted my tone was that of an a-hole, I'm just tired of people that aren't well informed on these guys.[/quote]

I seen McCoy throughout his college career since I live in The Big 12 Country. McCoy throws a better pass than Clausen. He hits his WR in stride more often the Clausen. I was watching some of Jimmys highlights. The passes he completes makes his WR stop and comeback. The others would get picked by any starting secondary in the league and just cuase he plays from under center more often than most makes him ready to start, doesn't sell me on him. On Tebow I feel they way he changed his delivery in such a short time and WOWED all the scouts shows his commitment to being the best, and with his body of work proves he will bust his but off to acheiving excellence. Hell even Shanny and Allen had to go take a look at him to see what the hype was about.

I know there are hundreds of guys here who can disect this apart and make a case for me being wrong. But this is just my opinion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677545]Didn't realize Brown was slipping either. He's always been, as far as I know, pegged in the late 1st to early 2nd.

Saffold is rising a lot. Eagles, among other teams, are showing strong interest in him and could be targeting him with their 1st round pick[/quote]

Certainly possible. Eben Britton was given a slightly higher grade last year by Scouts inc then Charles Brown currently has (89 for Britton 86 for Brown) and Britton lasted till the 39th pick (7th in the 2nd or as some of my friends would say a 39th round pick).

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[quote=GTripp0012;677233]Options are:

-I would not be willing to use the 37th overall pick on Jimmy Clausen
-I would be willing to spend the 37th overall pick on Clausen, but not trade up for him
-I would be willing to trade our fourth round pick to move up 2-6 spots and ensure that we get him, even if it looks like we can get him at 37.
-I would be willing to trade up about 10 picks into the back end of the first round (ahead of, say, Arizona), at the cost of the 2011 2nd rounder.
-If Jimmy Clausen is available after the 16th pick in the first round, we should trade our 2011 first rounder to ensure we get him.

Note: in all situations, you would be using the second round pick in part of the trade/selection process.[/quote]

[B]I would be willing to spend the 37th overall pick on Clausen, but not trade up for him[/B]

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LOL, this topic is hilarious. I'd trade up to get Bradford if I had to. Give the Rams JC and this yrs #4 pick and maybe even throw in Carter if I had to since he's not happy with the 3-4. Campbells gone after this year so we might as well get something worth while for him.

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[quote=SBXVII;677681]LOL, this topic is hilarious. I'd trade up to get Bradford if I had to. Give the Rams JC and this yrs #4 pick and maybe even throw in Carter if I had to since he's not happy with the 3-4. Campbells gone after this year so we might as well get something worth while for him.[/quote]Then when they say no, you just go bash some heads? Show em how its done!

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I would say anywhere...Clausen is a can't miss prospect and should be treated as such. We'll be lucky to get him.

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[quote=tootergray34;677693]I would say anywhere...[B]Clausen is a can't miss prospect [/B]and should be treated as such. We'll be lucky to get him.[/quote]

most NFL GMs and media pundits would disagree with you. what do you know that people who do this for a living (and get paid 6-7 figures annually to do so) don't?

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[quote=tootergray34;677693]I would say anywhere...Clausen is a can't miss prospect and should be treated as such. We'll be lucky to get him.[/quote]

lol...

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He slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night!



I love that line!

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[quote=Meks;677359]i opt out of all of it and dont even consider taking clausen at all..

4th - Okung
37th - Best available OL.[/quote]


Agree 120% unless we can trade down and accumalate more picks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;677685]Then when they say no, you just go bash some heads? Show em how its done![/quote]

You think they would turn that trade down? I think the league would drug test our front office if we offered that....

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;677766]You think they would turn that trade down? I think the league would drug test our front office if we offered that....[/quote]It would be the 4th pick, Carter, and Campbell for the 1st pick, right?

They'd only do that if they thought Campbell had more future value than Bradford, in which case, they were never going to pick him to begin with, and we just screwed ourselves.

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[quote=GTripp0012;677770]It would be the 4th pick, Carter, and Campbell for the 1st pick, right?

They'd only do that if they thought Campbell had more future value than Bradford, in which case, they were never going to pick him to begin with, and we just screwed ourselves.[/quote]

Actually the Rams may do that so that:
a) they don't have to pay the ridiculous money a QB drafted at #1 makes, and
b) if they are comfortable with JC as their starting QB and they want to focus their roster-building elsewhere, they get a their starting QB, a DE with short-term potential value, and they still have the #4 overall pick.

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I'd think they'd be very willing to do that if they weren't going to take Bradford. Get a quarterback, get out of the money, and probably land the guy you were chasing anyway.

But if that's the case, we shouldn't trade up, we should be looking to land Bradford at No. 4 (which again, assumes that that's a good idea against a lot of mounting evidence).

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...sigh...I know what I am about to say may not be popular...and I am having a hard time saying it...but. Lets draft an OT at 4, and at 37, and keep JC upright. His stats have gotten better every year, and now with Shanny there, who knows. Lets not forget, San Diego drafted Rivers while they had Brees, because Brees took a few years to develop. Maybe, a year with Shanny. I know its a reach, but what do you think?

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[quote=luke4twenty;677775]...sigh...I know what I am about to say may not be popular...and I am having a hard time saying it...but. Lets draft an OT at 4, and at 37, and keep JC upright. His stats have gotten better every year, and now with Shanny there, who knows. Lets not forget, San Diego drafted Rivers while they had Brees, because Brees took a few years to develop. Maybe, a year with Shanny. I know its a reach, but what do you think?[/quote]
Brilliant! (in the Guinness dude's voice) Oh, and welcome to the Warpath.

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Besides, if we really go in the tank, we can always get Locker next year. Muaahhhhaaahhaaa...lol

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[quote=luke4twenty;677775]...sigh...I know what I am about to say may not be popular...and I am having a hard time saying it...but. Lets draft an OT at 4, and at 37, and keep JC upright. His stats have gotten better every year, and now with Shanny there, who knows. Lets not forget, San Diego drafted Rivers while they had Brees, because Brees took a few years to develop. Maybe, a year with Shanny. I know its a reach, but what do you think?[/quote]

Sounds good to me.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=luke4twenty;677775]...sigh...I know what I am about to say may not be popular...and I am having a hard time saying it...but. Lets draft an OT at 4, and at 37, and keep JC upright. His stats have gotten better every year, and now with Shanny there, who knows. Lets not forget, San Diego drafted Rivers while they had Brees, because Brees took a few years to develop. Maybe, a year with Shanny. I know its a reach, but what do you think?[/quote]

I love that idea. It goes against the offseason plans executed over the last 10 years but it seems that we are in a new age.

Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

[quote=luke4twenty;677775]...sigh...I know what I am about to say may not be popular...and I am having a hard time saying it...but. Lets draft an OT at 4, and at 37, and keep JC upright. His stats have gotten better every year, and now with Shanny there, who knows. Lets not forget, San Diego drafted Rivers while they had Brees, because Brees took a few years to develop. Maybe, a year with Shanny. I know its a reach, but what do you think?[/quote]

Sounds good we have our starter from last year JC and PJ5, Sexy Rexy. Who can all very well be our Starters. If JC's not our starter I'd really love to see if PJ5 really has something.

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Tuesday, March 23, 3:16 p.m.

The top prospects for Notre Dame stood on their combine numbers as offensive tackle Sam Young, center Eric Olsen and wide receiver Golden Tate participated only in position drills.
Paul Duncan, the team's third prospect on the offensive line, worked out for scouts and was impressive. Duncan measured 6-foot-6.5 and weighed 308 pounds. His 40 times ranged in the area of 5.17 seconds and Duncan pushed up 30 reps on the bench. He looked solid in position drills, displaying fluid hips and nice feet.
As mentioned earlier quarterback, Jimmy Clausen was on hand to view the workout. Clausen was seen hanging around with a contingent of people from the Washington Redskins during most of the pro-day event.


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Re: At what point would you Trade Up to get Jimmy Clausen?
 

Interesting little tidbit there Cult. Thanks

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Incidentally, Clausen also spent a lot of time with reps from the 49ers and Bills (who he will work out for next week)

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[quote=luke4twenty;677775]...sigh...I know what I am about to say may not be popular...and I am having a hard time saying it...but. Lets draft an OT at 4, and at 37, and keep JC upright. His stats have gotten better every year, and now with Shanny there, who knows. Lets not forget, San Diego drafted Rivers while they had Brees, because Brees took a few years to develop. Maybe, a year with Shanny. I know its a reach, but what do you think?[/quote]

i wouldnt be mad with this at all. its a more popular opinion than you might think. we need two starting tackles after all.

welcome aboard.

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[quote=GTripp0012;677685]Then when they say no, you just go bash some heads? Show em how its done![/quote]

Sounds good to me. :)

Ok maybe not force them to take whoever we decide to give them but they do have a need for a decent QB and the lot of you seem to think JC is 1st round talent so that must mean he's decent enough. They also have need on the DL. We could debate giving them AH but then I'd think they would owe us something. The Rams were trying to get out of the spot looking into trade scenarios so why not explore what they want? Not saying it has to go down but simply ask what they would be willing to take in return with out throwing in a bunch of draft picks.

Obviously you don't want to do it too soon cause then other teams will have time to out bid you if they think about it long enough. So I presume we wait till draft day and talk trade. Throw in a steak dinner, some female escorts, all will be well. ;)

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[quote=GTripp0012;677774]I'd think they'd be very willing to do that if they weren't going to take Bradford. [B]Get a quarterback, get out of the money, and probably land the guy you were chasing anyway.[/B]

But if that's the case, we shouldn't trade up, we should be looking to land Bradford at No. 4 (which again, assumes that that's a good idea against a lot of mounting evidence).[/quote]

Rumors I've heard were exactly that....

They were looking to trade out of the #1 spot cause they didn't want to have to pay a Rookie that kind of money.

They didn't want to too far down the draft where they couldn't get the guy they were interested in.

On top of that there is the rumor that Spags was almost let go cause the owners were not happy with last year but were talked into giving him one more year. Because of this I heard Spags may not want to put all his cards on an unproven rookie QB cause it might just be his job.

I know what they say about rumors but if any of this is anywhere near the truth I can see us making a decent trade. They get the QB spot settled with a decent QB who is safe with the ball. They get a decent DE which they need and Carter still has gas left but might not fit in a 3-4 for us. Plus they get the #4 pick to take whoever they want...Tackle or DL.

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Never. If Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St is not available at #4 then I would go with the next best left tackle. Other excellent candidates are Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, and Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachesetts. The Redskins offensive line is in shambles. The offense will never get off the ground floor, if the Redskins do not address the line.

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[quote=SBXVII;677876]Rumors I've heard were exactly that....

They were looking to trade out of the #1 spot cause they didn't want to have to pay a Rookie that kind of money.

They didn't want to too far down the draft where they couldn't get the guy they were interested in.

[B]On top of that there is the rumor that Spags was almost let go cause the owners were not happy with last year but were talked into giving him one more year. Because of this I heard Spags may not want to put all his cards on an unproven rookie QB cause it might just be his job. [/B]

I know what they say about rumors but if any of this is anywhere near the truth I can see us making a decent trade. They get the QB spot settled with a decent QB who is safe with the ball. They get a decent DE which they need and Carter still has gas left but might not fit in a 3-4 for us. Plus they get the #4 pick to take whoever they want...Tackle or DL.[/quote]

The owners from the Rams of 2009 are basically lame ducks, so what does it matter whether they're happy or not?

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;677878]Never. If Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St is not available at #4 then I would go with the next best left tackle. Other excellent candidates are Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, and Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachesetts. The Redskins offensive line is in shambles. The offense will never get off the ground floor, if the Redskins do not address the line.[/quote]

You would really take someone like Ducasse at #4 overall just to say you took an OT?

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[quote=SmootSmack;677880]You would really take someone like Ducasse at #4 overall just to say you took an OT?[/quote]
The point I was trying to make, the Skins should be able to select either the top rated left tackle on their board or the second rated. I do not have access to their draft board but these two guys should be on that list.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;677878]Never. If Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St is not available at #4 then I would go with the next best left tackle. Other excellent candidates are Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland, Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, and Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachesetts. The Redskins offensive line is in shambles. The offense will never get off the ground floor, if the Redskins do not address the line.[/quote]

There's maybe 1 other OT I'd think about at 4

at that point you could try to trade back.. you could get Clausen AND one of those guys

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;677698][B]most NFL GMs and media pundits would disagree with you.[/B] what do you know that people who do this for a living (and get paid 6-7 figures annually to do so) don't?[/quote]Other than Holmgren's comments about Clausen (which could be a smokescreen) what do you know about what "NFL GMs" are thinking? If I've missed something, I'm happy to listen. As far as pundits, Kiper has Clausen ranked high. McShay, not so much. But most don't have Clausen falling out of the top 15.

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I did have Denver taking Clausen at No. 11, and they still might take him. But the premise of this thread looked at the Quinn trade and thought, man, after Denver there is a shortage of demand for a Quarterback.

The Evan Sliva/PFT Mock Draft had Clausen dropping to the Vikings at No. 30. Without a Mock that allows trades, it's impossible to gauge how much a player will fall. I actually am quite confident that Arizona plans on drafting Clausen if he is available when they pick. But then again, Minnesota could go up to get him thinking that Arizona will take him, and Arizona might get antsy in anticipation of someone trading up and go up to stop his fall. And I think Dallas is a darkhorse candidate to get involved in a first round quarterback.

So it's impossible for me to gauge Clausen's true value without offering some sort of trade hypothetical. I do think the team that drafts him will trade for the pick to draft him. Houston, New England, and Cincinnati, right in that 20/22 range, could get lucky if Clausen gets out of the top ten and slides.

I don't think he's getting out of the first round or anything, but this is a year where a projectable QB could fall because of the market/perceived gap between Bradford.

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[quote=GTripp0012;677924]I did have Denver taking Clausen at No. 11, and they still might take him. But the premise of this thread looked at the Quinn trade and thought, man, after Denver there is a shortage of demand for a Quarterback.

The Evan Sliva/PFT Mock Draft had Clausen dropping to the Vikings at No. 30. Without a Mock that allows trades, it's impossible to gauge how much a player will fall. I actually am quite confident that Arizona plans on drafting Clausen if he is available when they pick. But then again, Minnesota could go up to get him thinking that Arizona will take him, and Arizona might get antsy in anticipation of someone trading up and go up to stop his fall. And I think Dallas is a darkhorse candidate to get involved in a first round quarterback.

So it's impossible for me to gauge Clausen's true value without offering some sort of trade hypothetical. I do think the team that drafts him will trade for the pick to draft him. Houston, New England, and Cincinnati, right in that 20/22 range, could get lucky if Clausen gets out of the top ten and slides.

I don't think he's getting out of the first round or anything, but this is a year where a projectable QB could fall because of the market/perceived gap between Bradford.[/quote]I don't think he gets past the Bills at 9. Also, remember Pete Carroll recruited him out of HS and lost to Weis.

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[quote=SBXVII;677876]Rumors I've heard were exactly that....

They were looking to trade out of the #1 spot cause they didn't want to have to pay a Rookie that kind of money.

They didn't want to too far down the draft where they couldn't get the guy they were interested in.

On top of that there is the rumor that Spags was almost let go cause the owners were not happy with last year but were talked into giving him one more year. Because of this I heard Spags may not want to put all his cards on an unproven rookie QB cause it might just be his job.

I know what they say about rumors but if any of this is anywhere near the truth I can see us making a decent trade. They get the QB spot settled with a decent QB who is safe with the ball. They get a decent DE which they need and Carter still has gas left but might not fit in a 3-4 for us. Plus they get the #4 pick to take whoever they want...Tackle or DL.[/quote]You didn't answer the question though. Why would you want to trade up to No. 1 for a guy who would, in your hypothetical, be available at No. 4?

Pure and simple, if you're trying to buy Bradford from the Rams, it's going to cost you a Jay Cutler type package. Next year's first and probably third, as well as this year's fourth and the fourth overall pick. That's a lot different from Campbell and Carter, two players who don't have long term value to us. You're going from giving up about three marginal wins in players, 2 of which come from Campbell this season (projected...by me, sorry) to giving up multiple first round picks and future considerations. And you get...well, Sam Bradford.

Or, if the Rams were going to pass on him, you just take him at No. 4 for no additional cost.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;677930]I don't think he gets past the Bills at 9. Also, remember Pete Carroll recruited him out of HS and lost to Weis.[/quote]I'm not sure the Bills are even considering a QB. I think they want to go the vet route. Clausen would be a disaster there, anyway, as they cannot protect the quarterback.

According to SS, Clausen would love to play for Carroll, but I've got to say: if money talks, Whitehurst isn't there to backup someone.

I can't rule out Oakland because you can never rule out Oakland. And I wouldn't sleep on Jacksonville. And there's Kansas City, who is obviously not married to Cassel. And we're so tight to the vest right now that I have no idea if we've stopped considering him or have decided to take him (or anywhere in between). But if he gets to Denver and [I]they[/I] don't take him, then commence free-fall.

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I would NOT trade UP to get Jimmy Clausen.
Retarded question.

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[quote=GTripp0012;677936]I'm not sure the Bills are even considering a QB. I think they want to go the vet route. Clausen would be a disaster there, anyway, as they cannot protect the quarterback.

According to SS, Clausen would love to play for Carroll, but I've got to say: if money talks, Whitehurst isn't there to backup someone.

I can't rule out Oakland because you can never rule out Oakland. And I wouldn't sleep on Jacksonville. And there's Kansas City, who is obviously not married to Cassel. And we're so tight to the vest right now that I have no idea if we've stopped considering him or have decided to take him (or anywhere in between). But if he gets to Denver and [I]they[/I] don't take him, then commence free-fall.[/quote]

I said Clausen would love to play for Carroll? I think others have said that. All I've said, I believe, is that Clausen seems to think (though this was before Whitehurst) he could land in Seattle and would love to stay on the West Coast. Though he has also said he spent some time in DC recently and could definitely see himself in a Redskins uniform.

Wouldn't rule out Bills, Raiders, and Jags for JC. Though I still don't expect anything to happen before draft weekend.

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why is the draft so stinking far away from now?