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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;678165]Am I the only one who hates this trade as far as the Skins are concerned? We all knew that McNabb would hang it up sooner or later, but this gives them an impact player at safety AND another potentially great player.[/quote]

I am with you here, totally agree. Eagles really dont lose here they would get a good pick and a strong saftey. It also seems to throw a wrench in our draft.

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[quote=warpaint;678188]I am with you here, totally agree. Eagles really dont lose here they would get a good pick and a strong saftey. It also seems to throw a wrench in our draft.[/quote]

Well not only do the Eagles get a safety but by trading McNabb for a draft pick they get a whole new draft pick.

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What safety are we talking about?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678187]Yeah, when I was a sophomore in high school we were given the option to go up to Varsity after our JV season was over, mainly to be dummies for the scout team. At the time I went up Charlie was the QB. I remember being in awe at how fast he was able to throw a football. Of course at the time I figured that all decent QB's being recruited had arm strength like that but as it turned out he was definitely above average in that category. The next year he went to Clemson and surprised everyone, especially given that he was a 3 star prospect going into college.

Right now from what I hear he's being coveted for his physical tools (height, arm strength, etc).[/quote]

Thats cool. My brother played with Tye Warren and when he comes down they still talk. He is maybe the biggest guy I've every seen, but cool as shit.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;678190]What safety are we talking about?[/quote]

Oshiomogho Atogwe

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I think the only thing McNabb's trade tells us about draft day is Jason will have literally no trade value. I mean literally...JC probably couldn't garner a 4th rd pick.

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[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/03/rams-gm-billy-devaney-denies-team-is-trying-to-acquire-eagles-qb-donovan-mcnabb/1]Rams GM Billy Devaney denies team is trying to acquire Eagles QB Donovan McNabb - The Huddle: Football News from the NFL - USATODAY.com[/url]

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Why does it throw a wrench in our draft? We now have the option of Bradford/Clausen, or the best OT available. Detroit seems to be targeting Suh or the next best DT, while the Rams may or may not pick a QB now if there indeed is a trade. Whatever plan Mr. Allen and Coach have for opening day of the draft, it is not that all affected by this trade. The only thing it might mean is that we don't get Okung if OT is going to be our first pick. If he is gone, we can get the kid from USC or even Bruce Campbell. I am sure the FO has a gameplan based on the different scenarios. Bottom line is we don't lose either way.

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[quote=redskins5044;678194][URL="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/03/rams-gm-billy-devaney-denies-team-is-trying-to-acquire-eagles-qb-donovan-mcnabb/1"]Rams GM Billy Devaney denies team is trying to acquire Eagles QB Donovan McNabb - The Huddle: Football News from the NFL - USATODAY.com[/URL][/quote]


So it is a dead deal?

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[quote=The Goat;678193]I think the only thing McNabb's trade tells us about draft day is Jason will have literally no trade value. I mean literally...JC probably couldn't garner a 4th rd pick.[/quote]


JC will garner us a 3rd rounder at best, but the point is probably moot. You don't want to put the rook QB behind an untested line and get killed, you will want JC to get killed!!!! Just kidding, but JC is the starter til the kid gets worked up, like Gibbs did with Brunell, then JC got put in at the end of Brunell's last season.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;678199]JC will garner us a 3rd rounder at best, but the point is probably moot. You don't want to put the rook QB behind an untested line and get killed, you will want JC to get killed!!!! Just kidding, but JC is the starter til the kid gets worked up, [B]like Gibbs did with Brunell, then JC got put in at the end of Brunell's last season.[/quote][/B]


....and look how well that turned out.

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Does no one see the USA Today article that says this is a lie?

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[quote=skinsfan69;678185]Why would Philly trade one of the top QB's in the NFL with a proven track record for a high 2nd round pick? It just doesn't make sense.[/quote]

Why not? They've proven with McNabb they can get close a lot, but haven't won it all. It's not really a knock on him but he's 34 (I think), they have a solid backup in Kolb, they might as well build for their future while they can.

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[quote=mredskins;678201]Does no one see the USA Today article that says this is a lie?[/quote]

Rule #1 of off-season talk: Be skeptical of all quotes from NFL execs and coaches (and even players)

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[quote=SmootSmack;678203]Rule #1 of off-season talk: Be skeptical of all quotes from NFL execs and coaches (and even players)[/quote]


So you think this still has legs?

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[quote=mredskins;678204]So you think this still has legs?[/quote]

I don't think there's any offer on the table, but there's definitely interest. I think the 49ers will get back in the fray soon though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;678203]Rule #1 of off-season talk: Be skeptical of all quotes from NFL execs and coaches (and even players)[/quote]

since when is it just the offseason?

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;678200][/B]


....and look how well that turned out.[/quote]


Turned out a lot better than when Spurrier threw Patrick Ramsey to the dogs now didn't it? JC isn't a bad QB, maybe not the guy to get us to the SB, but he is more than serviceable.

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[quote=SmootSmack;678202]Why not? They've proven with McNabb they can get close a lot, but haven't won it all. It's not really a knock on him but he's 34 (I think), they have a solid backup in Kolb, they might as well build for their future while they can.[/quote]

I think we've seen that qb's can play well into their late 30's. 34 is not too old for a QB. Meanwhile Kolb is unknow. Why trade a top QB in his prime for an unknown. Not smart IMO.

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[quote=skinsfan69;678211]I think we've seen that qb's can play well into their late 30's. 34 is not too old for a QB. [B]Meanwhile Kolb is unknow[/B]. Why trade a top QB in his prime for an unknown. Not smart IMO.[/quote]

i know he kicked ass everytime he had an oppotunity, from all accounts he seems to be a legit nfl qb

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id give up our 1st rounder for Kolb and the eagles 3rd rounder in a heartbeat. hes the real deal. i am more worried about the eagles with kolb under center than mcnabb to be honest

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[quote=skinsfan69;678211]I think we've seen that qb's can play well into their late 30's. 34 is not too old for a QB. Meanwhile Kolb is unknow. Why trade a top QB in his prime for an unknown. Not smart IMO.[/quote]

It is a Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers thing. You make such a move when you have confidence in the young QB and you can't keep the young QB on the bench forever, meaning you have to move on to the new generation.

Plus the Eagles are loaded at QB.

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[quote=McD5;678154]And as to the rumor from the OP.....this story has legs.

The Philly Inquirer is confirming a deal is on the table.

I am unable to post the link, due to my low post count. But I will cut and paste a few sentences here. And maybe someone else can post the link:



ORLANDO -- Donovan McNabb could be in a Rams uniform by the end of the day, possibly by the end of the week.

The Eagles have an offer on the table that would give them St. Louis' second-round draft pick (33d overall) and free safety Oshiomogho Atogwe in exchange for McNabb. That deal, however, is "not yet completed," according to a league source.

McNabb would be willing to go to the Rams if he was given a contract extension, according to a source close to the situation. He would not be willing to play for Buffalo or Oakland, two moribund franchises that might be willing to take McNabb without an extension.[/quote]

Atogwe is a RFA who still hasn't signed a deal so I don't see how that deal could happen unless he signed a contract with the Rams right before the trade.

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[quote=SmootSmack;678203]Rule #1 of off-season talk: Be skeptical of all quotes from NFL execs and coaches (and even players)[/quote]

WOW!!!! THAT's A LOW PRICE!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;678199]JC will garner us a 3rd rounder at best, but the point is probably moot. You don't want to put the rook QB behind an untested line and get killed, you will want JC to get killed!!!! Just kidding, but JC is the starter til the kid gets worked up, like Gibbs did with Brunell, then JC got put in at the end of Brunell's last season.[/quote]

You are right about the bottom line.

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Some one on here said that we'd be lucky to get a third rounder for Campbell, well that would have been true before Charlie Whitehurst got traded to seattle, but after that ridiculous trade for a guy whose never thrown a NFL pass, Jason is probably worth a second rounder now. And if this Mcnabb trade goes through, then expect us to get Bradford and expect Jason to be traded on the same day.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;678225]Some one on here said that we'd be lucky to get a third rounder for Campbell, well that would have been true before Charlie Whitehurst got traded to seattle, but after that ridiculous trade for a guy whose never thrown a NFL pass, Jason is probably worth a second rounder now. And if this Mcnabb trade goes through, then expect us to get Bradford and expect Jason to be traded on the same day.[/quote]

Seahawks got off easy, in fact we I think of the maneuvering the Seahawks went with to get him I'm reminded of the Staples guy. Campbell is only worthy to carry the helmet of Whitehurst. You guys will rue the day Whitehurst was traded to the NFC. Come my children and join the Knights of Whitehurst.

Perfect Post for #5,000. Man who would have thought I would have ever lasted after my Andre Carter thread back in 2006.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn there was a topic on how none of the most recent playoff/SB teams didn't have a top 1st round LT. and perhaps the same could be said of QB's but it amazes me how much people are playing on the fact that "we have to have a top 1st round LT." Especially with several considerations...

1- Shanahan gets equivilant level of play out of mid to late round OL talent.
2- The proto typical zone blocking LT's coming out of the draft are not seen as worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick.
3- Originally I had heard Okung was not fit for a team utilizing zone blocking. Supposedly he had bad lateral movement and was more built for man-to-man blocking. Most recently some of these reports have softened.

Then theres the lets trade back for more picks theory...

1- Someone has to want to trade (unless as someone put it to me...we simply force another team to take the deal.:) ).
2- We are willing to except taking a player who's figured to go mid to late round zone blocker late in the first round.
3- Possibly willing to take lesser talent QB like JC and hope he can be developed possibly within a year if JC decides to leave.

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[quote=backrow;678174]If this rumor is true, it certainly takes the luster, the sheen, and the brightness off of our Grossman signing![/quote]

wha? your trying to tell me that my sexy rexy jersey wont be picked up for thousands on ebay in a decade??
:doh:

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[quote=skinsfan69;678185]Why would Philly trade one of the top QB's in the NFL with a proven track record for a high 2nd round pick? It just doesn't make sense.[/quote]

How much longer will he be there? How long can they keep Kolb happy not starting?

Sometimes you move on.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;678225]Some one on here said that we'd be lucky to get a third rounder for Campbell, well that would have been true before Charlie Whitehurst got traded to seattle, but after that ridiculous trade for a guy whose never thrown a NFL pass, Jason is probably worth a second rounder now. And if this Mcnabb trade goes through, then expect us to get Bradford and expect Jason to be traded on the same day.[/quote]

I doubt that, there's still excitement behind Whitehurst for whatever reason. There's no reason to be "excited" about Campbell. He's probably worth a mid-4th or later by now.

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[quote=SBXVII;678227]Correct me if I'm wrong, [B]but I could have sworn there was a topic on how none of the most recent playoff/SB teams didn't have a top 1st round LT[/B]. and perhaps the same could be said of QB's but it amazes me how much people are playing on the fact that "we have to have a top 1st round LT." Especially with several considerations...

1- Shanahan gets equivilant level of play out of mid to late round OL talent.
2- The proto typical zone blocking LT's coming out of the draft are not seen as worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick.
3- Originally I had heard Okung was not fit for a team utilizing zone blocking. Supposedly he had bad lateral movement and was more built for man-to-man blocking. Most recently some of these reports have softened.

Then theres the lets trade back for more picks theory...

1- Someone has to want to trade (unless as someone put it to me...we simply force another team to take the deal.:) ).
2- We are willing to except taking a player who's figured to go mid to late round zone blocker late in the first round.
3- Possibly willing to take lesser talent QB like JC and hope he can be developed possibly within a year if JC decides to leave.[/quote]

I'm sure that's the case w/ Indy. New Orleans original starter was hurt (IR?) so while i'm pretty sure he was a 1st rd pick it doesn't really count. Outside of that I think most playoff teams had/have 1st rd LTs.

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[quote=tryfuhl;678229]How much longer will he be there? How long can they keep Kolb happy not starting?

Sometimes you move on.[/quote]

Exactly. As the saying goes, it's better to part with a player a year early than a year late. They get the first pick in the second round for a QB who turns 34 this year, and they have Kolb ready to take the reins. McNabb will be a good starter for maybe another 2 or 3 years, then he's done. I think this is a smart move by the Eagles. Andy Reid knows what he's doing. Kolb has shown he can play, and they still have Vick as well.

It will be interesting to see if we take Bradford, or just rob some team dying to trade up and grab him. There will be takers.

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[quote=GMScud;678250]Exactly. As the saying goes, it's better to part with a player a year early than a year late. They get the first pick in the second round for a QB who turns 34 this year, and they have Kolb ready to take the reins. McNabb will be a good starter for maybe another 2 or 3 years, then he's done. I think this is a smart move by the Eagles. Andy Reid knows what he's doing. Kolb has shown he can play, and they still have Vick as well.

It will be interesting to see if we take Bradford, or just rob some team dying to trade up and grab him. There will be takers.[/quote]

No doubt.. for those that say Campbell won't be here more than a year.. well he's got several years before he hits 34.. the Rams 2nd round pick would be great for them if they didn't think that they could get the Lombardi this year

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[quote=tryfuhl;678251]No doubt.. for those that say Campbell won't be here more than a year.. well he's got several years before he hits 34.. the Rams 2nd round pick would be great for them if they didn't think that they could get the Lombardi this year[/quote]

On a side note, if they get McNabb, Steven Jackson's fantasy value just blew up.

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[quote=SBXVII;678227]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn there was a topic on how none of the most recent playoff/SB teams didn't have a top 1st round LT. and perhaps the same could be said of QB's but it amazes me how much people are playing on the fact that "we have to have a top 1st round LT." Especially with several considerations...

[B]1- Shanahan gets equivilant level of play out of mid to late round OL talent.[/B]
2- The proto typical zone blocking LT's coming out of the draft are not seen as worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick.
3- Originally I had heard Okung was not fit for a team utilizing zone blocking. Supposedly he had bad lateral movement and was more built for man-to-man blocking. Most recently some of these reports have softened.

Then theres the lets trade back for more picks theory...

1- Someone has to want to trade (unless as someone put it to me...we simply force another team to take the deal.:) ).
2- We are willing to except taking a player who's figured to go mid to late round zone blocker late in the first round.
3- Possibly willing to take lesser talent QB like JC and hope he can be developed possibly within a year if JC decides to leave.[/quote]

I keep seeing this like Shanahan doesn't need talent on the o-line. Why did he draft Ryan Clady in the first round? That would be pretty stupid for a guy that can get the same level of play from a mid to late rounder wouldn't it?

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[quote=53Fan;678272]I keep seeing this like Shanahan doesn't need talent on the o-line. Why did he draft Ryan Clady in the first round? That would be pretty stupid for a guy that can get the same level of play from a mid to late rounder wouldn't it?[/quote]

I stayed up and watched the "America's Game" of the 1998 Broncos season, and it was exciting to watch Shanahan coach up a bunch of 6th, 7th and UDFA's on that line as Terrell Davis ran for 2000 yds. I don't think the point is that you [U]want[/U] to only have late rounders/UDFA's but more so, that as a coach, MS has shown the ability to get the most out of them. The show made me even more confident that whoever and however Shanahan brings in, he and his staff will get the most out of them, and we won't see a repeat of the 2008-2009 debacles.

I really recommend watching that NFL Channel video if you want to get excited about Shanahan's "upside".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;678273]I stayed up and watched the "America's Game" of the 1998 Broncos season, and it was exciting to watch Shanahan coach up a bunch of 6th, 7th and UDFA's on that line as Terrell Davis ran for 2000 yds. I don't think the point is that you [U]want[/U] to only have late rounders/UDFA's but more so, that as a coach, MS has shown the ability to get the most out of them. The show made me even more confident that whoever and however Shanahan brings in, he and his staff will get the most out of them, and we won't see a repeat of the 2008-2009 debacles.

I really recommend watching that NFL Channel video if you want to get excited about Shanahan's "upside".[/quote]

I have no doubt that Shanahan gets the most out of his o-linemen, I don't see that as an excuse not to draft the best you can get. Apparently he felt the same way when he drafted Clady.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678226]Seahawks got off easy, in fact we I think of the maneuvering the Seahawks went with to get him I'm reminded of the Staples guy. Campbell is only worthy to carry the helmet of Whitehurst. You guys will rue the day Whitehurst was traded to the NFC. Come my children and join the Knights of Whitehurst.

Perfect Post for #5,000. Man who would have thought I would have ever lasted after my Andre Carter thread back in 2006.[/quote]

Congrats on your 5,000th Dirt! The Andre Carter thread of 06, let's bring that one back & see what it looks like now!

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[quote=53Fan;678274]I have no doubt that Shanahan gets the most out of his o-linemen, I don't see that as an excuse not to draft the best you can get. Apparently he felt the same way when he drafted Clady.[/quote]

I must be reading something wrong...... you say Shanahan drafted him, yet on Wiki it says he was drafted in 08. Shanahan was fired prior to the 08 draft, or am I incorrect?