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[quote=Lotus;681773]^ Any photos of Goliath asleep in a meeting? :)[/quote]

Nope but he does like to party:
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Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=Kindoy;681774]because with JC you know what you're getting so he may not be worth another teams pick, with Whitehurst they may see potential beyond a QB they could get in the 3rd. i do think JC is worth a 2nd/3rd round pick but to other teams he may not be.[/quote]
Yeah you can give him the grade of being that level.. but the guy you're drafting is 6 or 7 years younger.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;681775]Nope but he does like to party:
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he's got nothin on Portis' bdays!

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Anyway enough talk, lets watch. The good news about Gaither on film is the fact that he isn't hard to find.
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Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;681776]Yeah you can give him the grade of being that level.. but the guy you're drafting is 6 or 7 years younger.[/quote]

its all based on the teams value of him and if they think the QBs available in the 2nd/3rd round this year (Colt, Tebow, etc.) will be better than JC in years coming. if they don't think those players will eventually be better than JC then age doesn't matter much.

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damn that run around 1:15 vs Steelers was sick.. same for the next one vs Bengals

would've liked to have seen some 2nd level blocking examples but I know that's not really the Ravens' style

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=Kindoy;681783]its all based on the teams value of him and if they think the QBs available in the 2nd/3rd round this year (Colt, Tebow, etc.) will be better than JC in years coming. if they don't think those players will eventually be better than JC then age doesn't matter much.[/quote]

Well you've got longer to figure that out as you still wouldn't know if JC is that guy that you can rely on. If they both end up backups why not have one that'll play 5 years or so longer and be worth more when it comes to a potential trade in a few years.

btw welcome to the warpath

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[quote=Dirtbag359;681779]Anyway enough talk, lets watch. The good news about Gaither on film is the fact that he isn't hard to find.
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Id take gaither and #33 Laron McClain...Hes a hell of a lead blocker!!!!

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[quote=tryfuhl;681785]Well you've got longer to figure that out as you still wouldn't know if JC is that guy that you can rely on. If they both end up backups why not have one that'll play 5 years or so longer and be worth more when it comes to a potential trade in a few years.[/quote]

all i'm saying is if a team thinks JC is the immediate answer then i think they may give a 3rd for him.

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I think I'd rather have one year of JC than a 3rd round pick in this draft. It's close though. I like holding the option of offering him an extension if he exceeds all of our expectations, but I think I'd be willing to pull the trigger if someone offered a second rounder for Campbell, and just go with Colt McCoy as a rookie at QB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;681788]I think I'd rather have one year of JC than a 3rd round pick in this draft. It's close though. I like holding the option of offering him an extension if he exceeds all of our expectations, but I think I'd be willing to pull the trigger if someone offered a second rounder for Campbell, and just go with Colt McCoy as a rookie at QB.[/quote]

Yeah.. that 3rd could give us a good interior lineman, LB, or something.. then McCoy vs Grossman to start in camp, I guess giving Brennan or whoever else is here their due diligence as well

I guess that you do have the chance that we extend Campbell, but how long will it take for Shanahan to find himself a new young QB? If we get a QB in the first couple of rounds and another team doesn't get who they wanted then maybe we can pull a 3rd.

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;681788]I think I'd rather have one year of JC than a 3rd round pick in this draft. It's close though. I like holding the option of offering him an extension if he exceeds all of our expectations, but I think I'd be willing to pull the trigger if someone offered a second rounder for Campbell, and just go with Colt McCoy as a rookie at QB.[/quote]

As I think has already been mentioned above, I think that an early 3rd rounder could give us a starting guard in this draft. If nothing else, we might be able to reach out and grab Best or matthews, whoever drops farther. Not a bad prospect IMHO, especially with the way Colt looked at his pro day.

Who knows what this FO will do. Alot of the moves thus far have been so completely out of right field, I wouldnt be surprised if we get TO and he tries to get Terry Bradshaw to be our backup QB or sumthin. Totally unexpected and close to the chest.

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[quote=Kindoy;681787]all i'm saying is if a team thinks JC is the immediate answer then i think they may give a 3rd for him.[/quote]

Especially if the draft is in the 3rd and, for whatever reason, a team still does not have a guy for next year. JC's value may rise during the draft.

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I would definately take a 3rd rd pick for Campbell. It seems obvious to me that he is not in their long-term plans, and that 3rd rd selection should net us a quality starter. Players like Ben Tate-Hardesty at RB, Misi-Butler for LB, Ducasse-Asamoah-Jerry for OL, Thomas-Troup for NT. Definately should get a key starter to plug a hole.
It is very difficult to read this new regime, they are making quite a few head-scratching moves, and so who knows what to expect come draft day. I feel that we can expect at least 1 trade, and probably 2 or 3.

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[quote=Lotus;681808]Especially if the draft is in the 3rd and, for whatever reason, a team still does not have a guy for next year. JC's value may rise during the draft.[/quote]

I agree. Someone will be very uncomfortable with their current roster, or, not that I wish it or anything, but someone always gets hurt in T.C or the preseason.

His stock is steadily rising the closer we get to opening day, IMO. I think if we wanted, we could definitely get a 3rd rounder for him, soon. Getting a second is a little shaky, we might need to package up our 4th rounder with him for that to happen.

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How about our #4 pick for baltimore's 1st and Gaither?

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maybe our #4, and our 4th rounder for their 1st rounder and Gaither......... would that work?

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[quote=Mechanix544;681827]maybe our #4, and our 4th rounder for their 1st rounder and Gaither......... would that work?[/quote]

Baltimore probably doesn't want that contract.

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ya, but think if Suh or mcCoy drops to 4. They could be salivating over adding one of those names to that Defense of theirs. Anything could happen i guess.........

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;681833]ya, but think if Suh or mcCoy drops to 4. They could be salivating over adding one of those names to that Defense of theirs. Anything could happen i guess.........[/quote]

I don't know how you pass up on Suh at 4. I will break a TV if they pick Jimmy Clausen and Suh is on the board.

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Not a bad trade, our 4th is 1800 pts, their 25th is 720, give Gaither a 15-16th value of 1000-1050 would equal out.
We could then get someone like Ryan Matthews-RB, Pouncey-C/G, or B.Campbell for RT, to go with Gaither-LT, and then select McCoy in the 2nd round.
I would be ok with that.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;681830]Baltimore probably doesn't want that contract.[/quote]

It's ridiculous. Baltimore earliest draft pick on their roster is 10th overall from 7 years ago. The fact that they continually compete is amazing. However looking back I don't know why they took Boller in the first round. The guy had something like a career 50% completion percentage while playing for Tedford. Other then that though Baltimore is pretty much "money" when it comes to making picks. A bunch of their picks in redrafts would easily be top 10, even top 5 picks (Reed, Lewis, Ngota, Suggs, Oher, Flacco, Grubbs)

I personally think Newsome and company are far and away the best front office in the game. Most front offices that are considered elite do well on a QB and ride that wave of success, while the Ravens have done what they have been doing for years without a franchise QB. Now that they have Flacco the skies the limit.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;681848]It's ridiculous. Baltimore earliest draft pick on their roster is 10th overall from 7 years ago. The fact that they continually compete is amazing. However looking back I don't know why they took Boller in the first round. The guy had something like a career 50% completion percentage while playing for Tedford. Other then that though Baltimore is pretty much "money" when it comes to making picks.[/quote]

Baltimore is one of the gold standards when it comes to building teams through the draft. Ozzie Newsome was a Hall of Fame player but his playing career is nothing compared to his proficiency in the draft.

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;681848]It's ridiculous. Baltimore earliest draft pick on their roster is 10th overall from 7 years ago. The fact that they continually compete is amazing. However looking back I don't know why they took Boller in the first round. The guy had something like a career 50% completion percentage while playing for Tedford. Other then that though Baltimore is pretty much "money" when it comes to making picks. A bunch of their picks in redrafts would easily be top 10, even top 5 picks (Reed, Lewis, Ngota, Suggs, Oher, Flacco, Grubbs)

I personally think Newsome and company are far and away the best front office in the game. Most front offices that are considered elite do well on a QB and ride that wave of success, while the Ravens have done what they have been doing for years without a franchise QB. Now that they have Flacco the skies the limit.[/quote]

What's crazy is that the Ravens traded a 2003 2nd and a 2004 1st for the chance to draft Boller.

What's even crazier is that he's not even the guy they wanted. That was the year they were trying to draft Leftwich and were working on a trade with the Vikings to move from #10 to #7. But I guess amidst all the confusion, Tice and the Vikings missed their allotted time to make their selection and the Jaguars jumped in and took Leftwich

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;681908]What's crazy is that the Ravens traded a 2003 2nd and a 2004 1st for the chance to draft Boller.

What's even crazier is that he's not even the guy they wanted. That was the year they were trying to draft Leftwich and were working on a trade with the Vikings to move from #10 to #7. But I guess amidst all the confusion, Tice and the Vikings missed their allotted time to make their selection and the Jaguars jumped in and took Leftwich[/quote]

That is crazy. gives me hope that we can get something for campbell tho.

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I would have to agree that Campbell (at 27yrs old with 5 years NFL experience) will net us a 3rd rounder. Soeone will think they can coach him up.

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=WaldSkins;681824]How about our #4 pick for baltimore's 1st and Gaither?[/quote]


I probably co-sign that trade. but it would have to be done on draft day, because we might be able to squeeze more out of them.

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;681933]I probably co-sign that trade. but it would have to be done on draft day, because we might be able to squeeze more out of them.[/quote]

again, here's to hopin!

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

Or how bout using the 2nd for the Rams LT -Barron- that they drafted in the first last yr? they have a 2nd round tender on him. Could pair him with Okung and be set for the next decade.jmho

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Barron is trash.. I wouldn't even give a 3rd for him.. he was drafted in 2005

most penalized lineman last year

Re: Jared Gaither for our second round pick?
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;681966]Or how bout using the 2nd for the Rams LT -Barron- that they drafted in the first last yr? they have a 2nd round tender on him. Could pair him with Okung and be set for the next decade.jmho[/quote]I think you are confusing Barron for Jason Smith, but I'd be willing to go as high as a 4th to trade and acquire Alex Barron. I don't think he's anything more than a right tackle who false starts a lot, but we don't have a player like that and even if we spend the first round choice on Okung, we still won't have a player like that. So while Gaither is probably both a better player and a better value, if we're set on going QB with that second round pick, Barron is a nice pickup for a cheap draft choice.

I wouldn't extend him though until he gets a chance to fit into this scheme.

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Indeed interesting, but I would like a rookie instead.........

Damn we need more picks.

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I don't think that Barron is much better than Heyer, if any. I'd just assume keep him or draft somebody at the 4th or later. Barron is known to hold quite a bit as well.

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So I guess this thread is dead, right?

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[quote=Mechanix544;681939]again, here's to hopin![/quote]

To dream the impossible dream. (you have to sing it for it to make sense.)

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I think i had Barron confused with someone else.. sorry guys.

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Think we can lock this one