Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=SmootSmack;683725]We feel the same way[/quote]

We? Smoot and Smack are separate personalities?
:D


As for the move to a less pass-happy offense, I think it can only help McNabb. He'll have less pressure on him, more contribution from others on the offense (Philly's offense was mainly McNabb and PASSES to Westbrook for his entire career, until DeSean Jackson at least). Andy Reid runs the most unbalanced offense in the NFL and going to a more balanced offense with a highly effective Shanahan running game should only help McNabb. He can throw deep, but now opposing defenses will have to respect a running game and won't be able to key in on stopping a deep ball. I think Shanahan's passing schemes with moving pockets will also be perfect for McNabb (or Campbell), even in his less-mobile years.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;683832]McNabb is not and will never be the face of the Redskins. He may play for the Skins but he will always be the face of the Eagles.[/quote]

If he finally gets his Lombardi with the Skins, maybe even a few of them...the Eagles years of his career will end up looking like a failed experiment. He could even go into the HOF as a Skin if they're that much more successful.

Most people remember Elway for the years he won Super Bowls, not the orange crush years where he couldn't win the big game. Sure, strange analogy because Elway only changed uniforms, not teams...but you know what I'm conveying.

Is John Riggins remembered as a Jet? Most people probably don't even know he was on a team other than the one he won the big game with.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Ruhskins;683733]Good thread. Shock and awe aside, Donovan McNabb is a Washington Redskins, and as such he will have my support. As I've always preached, it's all about the team and right now he is part of that team.[/quote]

His presence is definitely going to change the face of the NFC east. Considering all the many reasons why some may have wanted McNabb out of Philly, Im' convinced the results of last season (especially season's end) and the three losses to the Cowboys were major contributing factors. Some felt the second loss cost them the division title and the difference between the 2nd & 5th seed, having a home playoff game as opposed to having to go on the road as the 5th seed and play the Cowboys for a 3rd time which ultimately turned out to be a complete disaster.

It could be that loosing their center to injury could have played a part (McNabb did fumble one snap) notwithstanding other factors. The overiding cocerns obviously became a question, could McNabb still get the job done?

I'll take consolation in the fact that during McNabb's tenure as QB of the Eagles his team had a combined 14-9 W/L record against the Cowboys (our chief division rival) including the playoff loss last year.

I agree with Matty, I think Shanahan will grace the face of the franchise.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

Since my brother is a die hard Eagles fan and Im from Syracuse, Ive seen A LOT of Mcnabb. A LOT!!! (Almost every game including college games.) And I will tell you this. Don't go of his stats. He is an Awesome QB! In fact he is the best QB we have had here since Joe Theismann. Count on that!

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

A big reason why the Iggles were so badly embarrassed against Dallas was their complete lack of defense. Their offensive line had the injury bug too, he was sacked 12 times in their final 3 games. Look up the old threads from last season, the Eagles had massive injuries as well.

Am I defending Philly? Not at all...but do I think the Eagles gave McNabb away for less than they should have? Yes. I think they'll regret A.) handing the reigns to Kolb without having McNabb there to step back in when needed B.) trading him to a division rival.

Yes he's literally lost a step (his running game has regressed) but he has improved his passing over his career. He could give us a solid 4-5 years if we keep him healthy. I hope he does, it willl help us win, but more so...it will rub salt into Philly's wounds. I hope this turns out to be one of the worst trade blunders in NFL history for the Eagles...couldn't happen to a more deserving team (except maybe Dallas). :)

I think his best games will be against his old team. I hope it's on a MNF game.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Buster;683944]A big reason why the Iggles were so badly embarrassed against Dallas was their complete lack of defense. Their offensive line had the injury bug too, he was sacked 12 times in their final 3 games. Look up the old threads from last season, the Eagles had massive injuries as well.

Am I defending Philly? Not at all...but do I think the Eagles gave McNabb away for less than they should have? Yes. I think they'll regret A.) handing the reigns to Kolb without having McNabb there to step back in when needed B.) trading him to a division rival.

Yes he's literally lost a step (his running game has regressed) but he has improved his passing over his career. He could give us a solid 4-5 years if we keep him healthy. I hope he does, it willl help us win, but more so...it will rub salt into Philly's wounds. I hope this turns out to be one of the worst trade blunders in NFL history for the Eagles...couldn't happen to a more deserving team (except maybe Dallas). :)

I think his best games will be against his old team. I hope it's on a MNF game.[/quote]

The points you make are what is ultimatley going to be the concern going foreward. The results of this trade, if it turns out to be positive Redskins....negative Kolb and the Eagles, some in their FO will be looking over their shoulder.

I'll never be convinced Andy Reid wanted to trade Donovan, the pressure to do so was coming from over his head.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Longtimefan;683953]The points you make are what is ultimatley going to be the concern going foreward. The results of this trade, if it turns out to be positive Redskins....negative Kolb and the Eagles, some in their FO will be looking over their shoulder.

I'll never be convinced Andy Reid wanted to trade Donovan, the pressure to do so was coming from over his head.[/quote]

It definitely seems that Reid was strong armed in to making this deal.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Longtimefan;683953]The points you make are what is ultimatley going to be the concern going foreward. The results of this trade, if it turns out to be positive Redskins....negative Kolb and the Eagles, some in their FO will be looking over their shoulder.

I'll never be convinced Andy Reid wanted to trade Donovan, the pressure to do so was coming from over his head.[/quote]

He looked and sounded like he was going to cry at the press conference and even made statements in another interview that he would have preferred to trade Kolb.

I think this will be Reid's final year, unless they miraculously, somehow win it all...which will NEVER happen for Philadelphia.

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[URL="http://www.mvpphilly.com/nfl/557-mcnabb-threatens-retirement-reid-wanted-to-trade-kolb.html"]MVP Philly | McNabb Threatens Retirement; Reid Wanted to Trade Kolb[/URL]

It seems as if there was some disagreement within the front office. Jason Cole also states that Andy Reid strongly voiced his desire to keep Donovan McNabb even if it meant shipping Kevin Kolb somewhere else. While Reid believes that Kolb has a chance to be a great quarterback, he feels that McNabb gives the Eagles the best chance to win.

A source close to the situation stated that Reid"knows Donovan is great and probably will be for three or four years."

Though Reid endorsed and expressed confidence in Kolb today at Kolb's press conference, this news can't exactly be a vote of confidence for him. Kolb is now the starter and has been given the keys to the quarterback for years to come.
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Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;683917]The more this sinks in the more excited I'm getting about McNabb. Seeing the video of him arriving at Dulles yesterday I think it finally started to hit me, McNabb is our QB![/quote]
Totally!
It has taken moment or two to get over the......Eagle thing as I have been in McNabb "hate mode" for years.
The dude is the qb, I fear most in the East......I'm good with it
CAN'T wait. It might be interesting how good he makes our recievers. I'm not sure our guys can remember how to catch a ball....."in Stride"

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

^ Yeah, of all other NFC East QBs: Eli Manning Jim Sorgi, Tony Homo, Jon Kitna, Mike Vick, Kevin Kolb...I have to admit we probably got the best of them.

It was natural to hate him as an Eagle...he was on the Eagles!

I still think he's an overly-cocky guy, but hey, he won't be the only cocky Redskin...we'll get used to it. Just don't do that "phone call" thing again, that was stupid.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Buster;683955]He looked and sounded like he was going to cry at the press conference and even made statements in another interview that he would have preferred to trade Kolb.

I think this will be Reid's final year, unless they miraculously, somehow win it all...which will NEVER happen for Philadelphia.

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Yeah!...Reid was obviously trying to put a positive spin on things in an effort to demonstrate unity between he and the FO, but without a doubt there's tension there.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

Well Shanahan must be happy:

Rachel Nichols:
How ready to go is McNabb? When I got to the Redskins practice facility this morning, he was already in the weight room working out about 1 hour ago via OpenBeak

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;683954]It definitely seems that Reid was strong armed in to making this deal.[/quote]

As I've stated previously, Andy Reid looked like the hostage in the ransom tape during that presser. Now his career rests in Kevin Kolb's arm.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

i hope mcNabb's first completion is something reminicent of Portis's first play as a redskin. Man that had me fired up.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;683910]So if he wins 2 SB's here, does he go into the HOF as an Eagle, who's fans booed him, and would hate him after he beats them in the NFC Championship game, or as a Redskin, whose fans cheered him on as he led us to our 4th and 5th Lombardi trophies.

Ah, the morning glow is starting to shine![/quote]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves but if we do I'm pretty sure he would enter the HoF as an Eagle. I mean, look at Ricky Jackson of the 2010 class, he won a SB with the 49ers in his last season in the league but he choose to be inducted as a Saint.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

I think we've been over this before but players don't go in to the Hall as a member of a certain team.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame]Pro Football Hall of Fame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;684011]Let's not get ahead of ourselves but if we do I'm pretty sure he would enter the HoF as an Eagle. I mean, look at Ricky Jackson of the 2010 class, he won a SB with the 49ers in his last season in the league but he choose to be inducted as a Saint.[/quote]

For the billionth time, unlike the baseball HOF, football HOF'ers are not associated with any specific team when they are inducted.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

I think the question really is will Andy Reid be McNabb's Hall of Fame presenter, or Mike Shanahan?

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Ruhskins;684015]For the billionth time, unlike the baseball HOF, football HOF'ers are not associated with any specific team when they are inducted.[/quote]


So McNabb will be an Eagle when he goes into the HOF, is that what you are trying to say?

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=SmootSmack;684016]I think the question really is will Andy Reid be McNabb's Hall of Fame presenter, or Mike Shanahan?[/quote]

Probably Reid, they're pretty close.

But a couple of Super Bowl wins could change things. :)

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=SmootSmack;684016]I think the question really is will Andy Reid be McNabb's Hall of Fame presenter, or Mike Shanahan?[/quote]

Definitely Reid unless McNabb wins a Superbowl here. If that happens, I think McNabb will end up retiring as a Redskin.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Ruhskins;684015]For the billionth time, unlike the baseball HOF, football HOF'ers are not associated with any specific team when they are inducted.[/quote]

I know that they list the teams the player played for but that doesn't mean he isn't associated with one team. Jackson played 13 out of 15 years with the Saints...he's a Saint and [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.aspx"]inducted as a Saint[/URL] regardless of what teams are listed besides his name.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;684049]I know that they list the teams the player played for but that doesn't mean he isn't associated with one team. Jackson played 13 out of 15 years with the Saints...he's a Saint and [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.aspx"]inducted as a Saint[/URL] regardless of what teams are listed besides his name.[/quote]


Riggins is listed as both a Redskin and a Jet.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;684049]I know that they list the teams the player played for but that doesn't mean he isn't associated with one team. Jackson played 13 out of 15 years with the Saints...he's a Saint and [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.aspx"]inducted as a Saint[/URL] regardless of what teams are listed besides his name.[/quote]

This is just a list of HOF'ers by franchises. If you notice for example, Reggie White is listed with the Green Bay Packers, Eagles, and Panthers. I'm sure people associate certain players with certain teams (i.e. Art Monk with the Redskins and not the Jets) etc., etc. But this is not like the HOF process in baseball where players retire as part of the team, and even have that team's cap in their HOF plaque.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Ruhskins;684062]This is just a list of HOF'ers by franchises. If you notice for example, Reggie White is listed with the Green Bay Packers, Eagles, and Panthers. I'm sure people associate certain players with certain teams (i.e. Art Monk with the Redskins and not the Jets) etc., etc. But this is not like the HOF process in baseball where players retire as part of the team, and even have that team's cap in their HOF plaque.[/quote]

If the name bold that's the team the player is inducted under. Jerry Rice is a 49er...period!

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;684064]If the name bold that's the team the player is inducted under. Jerry Rice is a 49er...period![/quote]

Reggie White's name is bolded for both the Eagles and Packers. Just give it up.

And here's the process from the [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/SelectionProcessFAQ.aspx"]HOF website[/URL]:

[quote]Is a New Hall of Fame Member Enshrined as a Member of a Team?

Obviously, teams take great pride in the accomplishments of individuals who have been a part of their organization. Often individual teams and even the Hall of Fame will list enshrinees according to the team or teams on which they spent a significant period of time. [B][SIZE="4"]An enshrinee, however, is not asked to “declare,” nor does the Hall of Fame “choose” a team under which a new member is enshrined.[/SIZE][/B] When elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, an individual is recognized for his accomplishments as a player, coach, or contributor.[/quote]

Like I said, give it up.

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You usually know all, saden. But in this case not so much.

[QUOTE]Enshrinees do not go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a member of a certain team. Rather, all of an inductee's affiliations are listed equally.[6] While the Baseball Hall of Fame plaques generally depict each of their inductees wearing a particular club's cap (with a few exceptions, such as Catfish Hunter), the bust sculptures of each Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee make no reference to any specific team. In addition to the bust that goes on permanent display at the Hall of Fame, inductees receive a distinctive gold jacket and previous inductees nearly always wear theirs when participating at new inductee ceremonies.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame"]Pro Football Hall of Fame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL][/QUOTE]

[B][QUOTE]
[B]Is a New Hall of Fame Member Enshrined as a Member of a Team?[/B]

Obviously, teams take great pride in the accomplishments of individuals who have been a part of their organization. Often individual teams and even the Hall of Fame will list enshrinees according to the team or teams on which they spent a significant period of time. An enshrinee, however, is not asked to “declare,” nor does the Hall of Fame “choose” a team under which a new member is enshrined. When elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, an individual is recognized for his accomplishments as a player, coach, or contributor.

[url=http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/SelectionProcessFAQ.aspx]Hall of Famers: Selection Process FAQ[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;684067]Reggie White's name is bolded for both the Eagles and Packers. [B]Just give it up.
[/B]
And here's the process from the [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/SelectionProcessFAQ.aspx"]HOF website[/URL]:



Like I said, give it up.[/quote]

I will do no such thing. Reggie White is a Packer. I refuse to believe the Seahawks have anybody but Steve Largent as their HoF player. Also, you think Deion Sanders is a Redskins HoFer?

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[quote=saden1;684074]I will do no such thing. Reggie White is a Packer. I refuse to believe the Seahawks have anybody but Steve Largent as their HoF player. Also, you think Deion Sanders is a Redskins HoFer?[/quote]

Just stating the facts. Be sure to write to the Football Hall of Fame if you're so concerned about it.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;684049]I know that they list the teams the player played for but that doesn't mean he isn't associated with one team. Jackson played 13 out of 15 years with the Saints...he's a Saint and [URL="http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.aspx"]inducted as a Saint[/URL] regardless of what teams are listed besides his name.[/quote]

Wow, we had THREE GUYS NAMED Albert Glen (Turk) Edwards, all in the HOF!


How about we end the ongoing argument with "McNabb's best years and biggest accomplishments may be remembered as a Redskin".

He was NEVER going to win with Philly.

:benched:

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[quote=Mattyk;684071]You usually know all, saden. But in this case not so much.



[/quote]

I'm making an argument that the HoF has an implicit induction which even fans recognize. Like I said, Bruce Smith is a Bill (did you see what team he gushed over in his induction speech? It wasn't the Redskins), Deion Sanders is a Cowboy, Jerry Rice is a 49er, Brett Farv is a Packer, so on and so on.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Ruhskins;684075]Just stating the facts. Be sure to write to the Football Hall of Fame if you're so concerned about it.[/quote]

I'm not concerned about it, I already know.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;684079]I'm making an argument that the HoF has an implicit induction which even fans recognize. Like I said, Bruce Smith is a Bill (did you see what team he gushed over in his induction speech? It wasn't the Redskins), Deion Sanders is a Cowboy, Jerry Rice is a 49er, Brett Farv is a Packer, so on and so on.[/quote]

I get what you're saying, but technically you are still wrong. Sure these guys will be known for playing for a certain team, but they are not officially inducted that way as baseball does.

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[quote=saden1;684082]I'm not concerned about it, I already know.[/quote]

Just pointing out that you are wrong. One thing is to have an opinion about something, and you're right, (on the opinion that) certain players are known for being in certain teams. However....

[quote=saden1;684011]Let's not get ahead of ourselves but if we do I'm pretty sure he would enter the HoF as an Eagle.[B] I mean, look at Ricky Jackson of the 2010 class, he won a SB with the 49ers in his last season in the league but he choose to be inducted as a Saint.[/B][/quote]

In this case you were wrong, because as the HOF site explains it, nominees are not asked to choose a team. The way you explain this, makes it sound like the process for the Baseball HOF.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

The "PRE" presser is on ComCast right now. The presser should start in 15-20 minutes.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=saden1;684074]I will do no such thing. Reggie White is a Packer. I refuse to believe the Seahawks have anybody but Steve Largent as their HoF player. Also, you think Deion Sanders is a Redskins HoFer?[/quote]

Interesting. So Reggie White who spent more years in Philly than the Packers is a Packer...yet you wouldn't consider McNabb a Redskin?

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=SmootSmack;684088]Interesting. So Reggie White who spent more years in Philly than the Packers is a Packer...yet you wouldn't consider McNabb a Redskin?[/quote]

Back to my suggestion...if McNabb wins it all in B&G, he could be [I]remembered more [/I]for his success as a Redskins.


Funny how Philadelphia is being demoted in both of these situations. They will never win a Lombardi.


Of course it's not official, but if he finally gets over his "can't win the big game" reputation here...it will be a huge part of his legacy and could put him over the top if there is any debate about his HOF resume.


Sure, Reggie White was GREAT on the Eagles, but a lot of people think of him as a Packer first, because that's where he had his greatest success.

Re: Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins
 

[quote=Buster;684090]Back to my suggestion...if McNabb wins it all in B&G, he could be [I]remembered more [/I]for his success as a Redskins.


Funny how Philadelphia is being demoted in both of these situations. They will never win a Lombardi.


Of course it's not official, but if he finally gets over his "can't win the big game" reputation here...it will be a huge part of his legacy.[/quote]

Tough question....although if he does win a Super Bowl with the Redskins, I would say that this would be high profile enough for him to be remembered more as a Redskins. And it seems that Philly fans are very divided in regards to McNabb. Still, I don't think you'd get a straight answer, though good question.

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[quote=SmootSmack;684088]Interesting. So Reggie White who spent more years in Philly than the Packers is a Packer...yet you wouldn't consider McNabb a Redskin?[/quote]
Well, White had tangible success with the Packers. It's still unknown whether McNabb will pull an Elway as we've only had him for two days. IF he does though, who knows.....

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[quote=Ruhskins;684085]Just pointing out that you are wrong. One thing is to have an opinion about something, and you're right, (on the opinion that) certain players are known for being in certain teams. However....



In this case you were wrong, because as the HOF site explains it, nominees are not asked to choose a team. The way you explain this, makes it sound like the process for the Baseball HOF.[/quote]

With the way Jackson was gushing over the Saints win and the fact that he watched the SB from Saints owner Tom Benson's box it's a no brainer who is his team. Football HoF is not like baseball, I'll admit that but lets not act like players and fans don't assign teams to themselves/them.