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[quote=Chico23231;686164]Yeah people try to switch up arguements, but when it comes down to the basic principle of are you keeping more of your money vs is the government keeping more of it, most republicans I know identify former idea. I think the switch up of arguements is do to the fact who is in the office of the President or controlling congress at the time. Im sure if these tax breaks were during Bush's time in office, this thread would be started celebrating this fact.

That's why politicals discussions are just such horsesh*t these days. People are so polarized and not will to give credit when due or admitt when their side is wrong...its really quite funny.[/quote]

That my friend is the truth.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;686059]That grammar, even for you, is pathetic. Do you realize you just wrote "firsth" and "secondth?" You are going to give me an aneurysm.[/quote]

Learn to have fun. Life is too short. LOL

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[quote=firstdown;686208]Learn to have fun. Life is too short. LOL[/quote]


It is fun to read poor grammar? Ok.

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Guy's I'm not against the poor getting a tax break they always have and always will. The problem is that half of the people in the US now pay no federal taxes at all and over a 1/4 get refunds and they pay nothing to start with. There is a problem with this and its keeps getting worse. How the hell are we going to pay for Obama care, SS, medicare, etc... you know all these failing social programs the left loves so much. Maybe we sould do away with them and cut taxes even more and that fine by me. If your going to support these programs like the left does then you have to make everyone pay for them. I'm all for helping out people down on their luck but I'm guessing 30% of these people are just lazy asses and never pay into the system which is what I have a problem with.

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First off, this thread is retarded. Not because of the topic, but because of the mostly inane discussion that has ensued. There are some good points scattered but by and large, most of these posts are drivel.

I think I can wrap up firstdown's feelings pretty succinctly. He's in favor of lower taxes, but still thinks everyone should pay their fair share of those lower taxes.

In other words, he'd be more in favor of a flat tax, while keeping taxes relatively low.

I don't think for a second he's doing the math on that, but those are his feelings. Firstdown, go back to high school and take some expository writing classes. For Christ's sakes, you write like a child.

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if he took some of those classes, what would be talk about?

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[quote=firstdown;686212]Guy's I'm not against the poor getting a tax break they always have and always will. The problem is that half of the people in the US now pay no federal taxes at all and over a 1/4 get refunds and they pay nothing to start with. There is a problem with this and its keeps getting worse. How the hell are we going to pay for Obama care, SS, medicare, etc... you know all these failing social programs the left loves so much. Maybe we sould do away with them and cut taxes even more and that fine by me. If your going to support these programs like the left does then you have to make everyone pay for them. I'm all for helping out people down on their luck but I'm guessing 30% of these people are just lazy asses and never pay into the system which is what I have a problem with.[/quote]

What about all teh social programs the right loves using tax payer money?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686259]What about all teh social programs the right loves using tax payer money?[/quote]

What [I]Right[/I] are you talking about?

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Not the conservatives but the facists.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686259]What about all teh social programs the right loves using tax payer money?[/quote]

Can you be more specific about which social programs are you referring to?

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Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686277]Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)[/quote]

government lawyers tearing down the little people.

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[quote=Schneed10;686222]First off, this thread is retarded. Not because of the topic, but because of the mostly inane discussion that has ensued. There are some good points scattered but by and large, most of these posts are drivel.
[B]I think I can wrap up firstdown's feelings pretty succinctly. [B] He's in favor of lower taxes, but still thinks everyone should pay their fair share of those lower taxes.
In other words, he'd be more in favor of a flat tax, while keeping taxes relatively low. [/B]
I don't think for a second he's doing the math on that, but those are his feelings. Firstdown, go back to high school and take some expository writing classes. For Christ's sakes, you write like a child.[/quote]

Yup. And quite frankly, I just don't know that a flat tax would work or what percentage would be necessary to fund even a stripped down government. I would suggest that a straight flat tax with no gradation for income would simply be insufficient to fund such a government OR be so brutal (hand over 40% of your gross income) as to unpassable.

Mind, you I don't necessarily oppose the thought of a flat tax. Just wondering how it would look in real numbers.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686278]government lawyers tearing down the little people.[/quote]

Considering all the govt. lawyers out there that's just pure democracy - majority rule.

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According to Tramp facists = Republicans and Democrats
conservatives = equal peopl that like small government, and if it ain't in the constitution we don't so it. (Space Exploration)?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;686277]Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)[/quote]

It is how they define themselves, by they're actions, not what they tell you. No one is going to say they're fascist these days because of the association with WWII.

Fascism is the take over of industry by the state or vice versa. It is a left wing take over of industry or vice versa. Government and industry become one and are controlled by an oligarchy. Most of the time the General Staff puts up one of their own as the front man, Kadafi, Akma-dingle-berry, Mussolini, Franco, Hitler.

I would refine my classification as this:

Democrats = Communist (because they're international)

Republicans = Fascist (some of them still appear to have some loyalty to the US, but they're still socialist)

Democrats and liberals say that the Republicans and "so-called" conservatives are right wingers. There is a shred of truth in this. They are to the right of them, but they're still on the progressive wing of politics because of their socialist leanings. Examples: Jorge W Bush, Juan McShame.

I don't understand how anyone still believes in this Kabuki Theater? They're all socialist. Politics is nothing more than a soap opera for ugly people, WWF without beer.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;686313]It is how they define themselves, by they're actions, not what they tell you. No one is going to say they're fascist these days because of the association with WWII.

Fascism is the take over of industry by the state or vice versa. It is a left wing take over of industry or vice versa. Government and industry become one and are controlled by an oligarchy. Most of the time the General Staff puts up one of their own as the front man, Kadafi, Akma-dingle-berry, Mussolini, Franco, Hitler.

I would refine my classification as this:

Democrats = Communist (because they're international)

Republicans = Fascist (some of them still appear to have some loyalty to the US, but they're still socialist)

Democrats and liberals say that the Republicans and "so-called" conservatives are right wingers. There is a shred of truth in this. They are to the right of them, but they're still on the progressive wing of politics because of their socialist leanings. Examples: Jorge W Bush, Juan McShame.

I don't understand how anyone still believes in this Kabuki Theater? They're all socialist. Politics is nothing more than a soap opera for ugly people, WWF without beer.[/quote]

You need to be sent to a re-education camp.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686306]According to Tramp facists = Republicans and Democrats
conservatives = equal peopl that like small government, and if it ain't in the constitution we don't so it. (Space Exploration)?[/quote]


There are only two real choices:

Left = Oligarchy

Right = Constitutional Republic

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[quote=djnemo65;686098]I don't always agree with people like CRedskins, GMscud, and FRPLG, but at the end of the day I do respect their ability to cogently present and argue their respective positions. But Firstdown, you are just a headscratcher. 　You are against tax-cuts now? I really question whether you even understand your own political philosophy.[/quote]
It depends who's extending the cuts.

And there's no way that it can be argued that someone would be opposed because of our spending, because we've been throwing money around for years now.

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[quote=saden1;686319]You need to be sent to a re-education camp.[/quote]

Is that what your God told you Sodden? :rofl:

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Constitutional Republic. I call BS.
Outsourcing to China is a major f-up!!!
It is:
1. Propping up a Socialist country, not only propping up a socialist country, but we are now engaged in an economic symbiotic relationship with a socialist country.

My opinion: Sending jobs to China because it is cheaper labor is not capitalistic it is socialistic. Meg and Carly, you are both socialists. By doing this you are force feeding globalization, and creating market bubbles. Our corporations can survivie with purely capitalism but they wouldn't be as big. Instead of Apple we would have smaller competitive companies. Using China's cheaper labor allows corporations to increase their power and wealth exponentially. When a company skips American workers they are cheating the system. Pay the labor what it demands instead of trying to under pay labor. Corporations don't have to be so large. This will feed into the classical small governement model. When corporations become bigger than the government i.e. too big to fail, you are already in a socialist system. Stop crying it is what the greed created.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686388]Constitutional Republic. I call BS.
Outsourcing to China is a major f-up!!!
It is:
1. Propping up a Socialist country, not only propping up a socialist country, but we are now engaged in an economic symbiotic relationship with a socialist country.

My opinion: Sending jobs to China because it is cheaper labor is not capitalistic it is socialistic. Meg and Carly, you are both socialists. By doing this you are force feeding globalization, and creating market bubbles. Our corporations can survivie with purely capitalism but they wouldn't be as big. Instead of Apple we would have smaller competitive companies. Using China's cheaper labor allows corporations to increase their power and wealth exponentially. When a company skips American workers they are cheating the system. Pay the labor what it demands instead of trying to under pay labor. Corporations don't have to be so large. This will feed into the classical small governement model. When corporations become bigger than the government i.e. too big to fail, you are already in a socialist system. Stop crying it is what the greed created.[/quote]

:Smoker:puff puff pass dude:Smoker:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686395]:Smoker:puff puff pass dude:Smoker:[/quote]


OK, not interested in what I got to say, fine.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686419]OK, not interested in what I got to say, fine.[/quote]

Just wondering if that ties back to the fact that 47% will pay no federal income tax, or just ranting for the sake of ranting.

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I've no problem with 47% not paying Federal Income Tax. If I had my way it would be 100%.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;686395]:Smoker:puff puff pass dude:Smoker:[/quote]

Don't forget to pass it this way.

It's Friday, my job is about to be outsourced, and I don't have shit to do.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686388]Constitutional Republic. I call BS.
Outsourcing to China is a major f-up!!!
It is:
1. Propping up a Socialist country, not only propping up a socialist country, but we are now engaged in an economic symbiotic relationship with a socialist country.

My opinion: Sending jobs to China because it is cheaper labor is not capitalistic it is socialistic. Meg and Carly, you are both socialists. By doing this you are force feeding globalization, and creating market bubbles. Our corporations can survivie with purely capitalism but they wouldn't be as big. Instead of Apple we would have smaller competitive companies. Using China's cheaper labor allows corporations to increase their power and wealth exponentially. When a company skips American workers they are cheating the system. Pay the labor what it demands instead of trying to under pay labor. Corporations don't have to be so large. This will feed into the classical small governement model. When corporations become bigger than the government i.e. too big to fail, you are already in a socialist system. Stop crying it is what the greed created.[/quote]

Don't forget NAFTA, CAFTA, and all of the other free trade agreements. You just made my point. This country isn't a constitutional republic. It's a corporation. And this my friend, this is just business.

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These numbers represent only people who have a positive adjusted gross income. In 1999, there were 127 million tax filers, 94.5 million of whom showed an income tax liability. That is, 26% had no liability at all. The actual number of people filing without paying comes to 16 million (after subtracting those getting earned income tax credits and thus, presumably, still somewhat sensitive to tax rates). So almost 13% of all workers have no tax liability and so are indifferent to income tax rates. And that doesn't include another 16.5 million who have some income but don't file at all.
this was taken from the wall street journal. i posted it because on 2002 the numbers were starting to climb. with the amount of people that don't file, the percentage was probably around 30- 35. so this is nothing new

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[quote=dmek25;686472]These numbers represent only people who have a positive adjusted gross income. In 1999, there were 127 million tax filers, 94.5 million of whom showed an income tax liability. That is, 26% had no liability at all. The actual number of people filing without paying comes to 16 million (after subtracting those getting earned income tax credits and thus, presumably, still somewhat sensitive to tax rates). So almost 13% of all workers have no tax liability and so are indifferent to income tax rates. And that doesn't include another 16.5 million who have some income but don't file at all.
this was taken from the wall street journal. i posted it because on 2002 the numbers were starting to climb. with the amount of people that don't file, the percentage was probably around 30- 35. so this is nothing new[/quote]

So how do I stop paying?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;686473]So how do I stop paying?[/quote]
You have a few options . 1) knock up your girl/s , and take the deduction/s . Become incorporated and fund a Keogh < 401k > and pay your bills / gas from the Business account , you will likely pay much less to nothing . If you can also fund an IRA that will also be a benefit to reducing taxes .

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:Smoker::Smoker::Smoker:The US propping up China? Talk about having something backwards.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;686470]Don't forget NAFTA, CAFTA, and all of the other free trade agreements. You just made my point. [B]This country isn't a constitutional republic. It's a corporation. And this my friend, this is just business.[/B][/quote]

Amen.

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I don't get what's even being argued anymore here. Can't we all agree that the 47% represent the lowest 47% income earners and that Bush's AND Obama's tax cuts account for a good part of that 47% not owing? From a macro standpoint Firstdown, you shouldn't care. People not paying taxes is money back in their pockets and that's proper conservative tax policy. Now whether it is fair to the other 53% is a whole other argument. That's a discussion of the progressive tax versus a flat tax. And no one here has made a case for either.

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[quote=FRPLG;686509]I don't get what's even being argued anymore here. Can't we all agree that the 47% represent the lowest 47% income earners and that Bush's AND Obama's tax cuts account for a good part of that 47% not owing? From a macro standpoint Firstdown, you shouldn't care. People not paying taxes is money back in their pockets and that's proper conservative tax policy. Now whether it is fair to the other 53% is a whole other argument. That's a discussion of the progressive tax versus a flat tax. And no one here has made a case for either.[/quote]

This thread is what happens when you have a bunch of uneducated morons arguing back and forth with one another.

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[quote=hooskins;686039]LOL this is hilarious. Basically the poor shouldnt get tax relief, is what first is saying.lol, tax cuts baby, you got em.

First wants trickle down economics.[/quote]
That is better than trickle down poverty, other wise known as change you can believe in. Unsustainable entitlements baby, you got em.

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I　hung out with a troupe of smoking hot professional Spanish flamenco dancers last night. Seriously, this really happened. I just happened to be sitting and having a beer in this empty bar when this crazy group of hotties rolled in speaking loud drunken Spanish and dancing like pros (which they turned out to be). I said whatsup and they asked if I knew any good clubs and I said that I did and I rolled out with them, your boy djnemo65 and 8 hotties (and this Saudi Arabian guy who was tagging along who turned out to be mad cool too). Everyone in this club kept asking, those are your girls? Damn son, represent. Those girls can really dance. And they were all just the nicest, coolest people you can imagine. From various parts of Spain, they were contracted by a Japanese entertainment company to do flamenco shows in Osaka, so that's why they are over here. Great, great night. When I staggered out of the club the sun was already blasting.　　Definitely gonna try and hang out with them as many more times as I can. 　

Anyway, I figured here was as good a place as any to tell you guys about this.

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That sounds pretty bad-ass. I miss Japan/ The Orient.

I have a similar story with a group of Swedish hotties back in the day.

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[quote=djnemo65;686535]I　hung out with a troupe of smoking hot professional Spanish flamenco dancers last night. Seriously, this really happened. I just happened to be sitting and having a beer in this empty bar when this crazy group of hotties rolled in speaking loud drunken Spanish and dancing like pros (which they turned out to be). I said whatsup and they asked if I knew any good clubs and I said that I did and I rolled out with them, your boy djnemo65 and 8 hotties (and this Saudi Arabian guy who was tagging along who turned out to be mad cool too). Everyone in this club kept asking, those are your girls? Damn son, represent. Those girls can really dance. And they were all just the nicest, coolest people you can imagine. From various parts of Spain, they were contracted by a Japanese entertainment company to do flamenco shows in Osaka, so that's why they are over here. Great, great night. When I staggered out of the club the sun was already blasting.　　Definitely gonna try and hang out with them as many more times as I can. 　

Anyway, I figured here was as good a place as any to tell you guys about this.[/quote]
and then you woke up? j/k

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[quote=djnemo65;686503]:Smoker::Smoker::Smoker:The US propping up China? Talk about having something backwards.[/quote]

Not backwards....China offered American corporations that were tired of labor unions an out. We create cheap products by employing our peasantry. Before American corporations started paying contractors to employ Chinese peasants then who was? No one, they were a socialist state facing extreme poverty. CEOs can make a quick bonus jump by saving millions or billions just paying a Chinese firm to produce what their american born corporation used to produce. Federal reserve notes mean nothing if America falls, they will be worthless to China just pieces of paper. If China falls they can use the American Fedral Reserve notes as currency. That trade deficit is the money of hard working Americans going to China. Don't forget the profits made by the American CEOS. The little ole american worker got left out. So in America and China you wind up creating 1. a small super rich class 2. A class depended on the government to survive. America workers are losing their jobs nad are now depending on hand outs for survival. Chinese workers who used to depend on the governement to eat now have a job, although they are being paid lower than their market value. CEOs say outsourcing is capitalism but that is not capitalism, unless you are paying workers their true market value, or have open competition for workers (free market dichotomy where yall at). The difference is, this is a democracy (super rich votes < laid off workers votes) so the super rich class is gonna have to feed the people they sold into socialism by shipping their jobs to Chinese slave laborer (socialists). China is following America's formula (slavery = richest nation on earth). Only they have too many peole and will reach critical mass once their peasantry becomes self aware again and their deep thinking ancient rich culture takes over. China will split into pieces real soon.


One more point, when Capitalism fails you wind up with
1. War.
2. Socialism.
3. Famine.

Which of these three is more plausible for modern America?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;686592]Not backwards....China offered American corporations that were tired of labor unions an out. We create cheap products by employing our peasantry. Before American corporations started paying contractors to employ Chinese peasants then who was? No one, they were a socialist state facing extreme poverty. CEOs can make a quick bonus jump by saving millions or billions just paying a Chinese firm to produce what their american born corporation used to produce. Federal reserve notes mean nothing if America falls, they will be worthless to China just pieces of paper. If China falls they can use the American Fedral Reserve notes as currency. That trade deficit is the money of hard working Americans going to China. Don't forget the profits made by the American CEOS. The little ole american worker got left out. So in America and China you wind up creating 1. a small super rich class 2. A class depended on the government to survive. America workers are losing their jobs nad are now depending on hand outs for survival. Chinese workers who used to depend on the governement to eat now have a job, although they are being paid lower than their market value. CEOs say outsourcing is capitalism but that is not capitalism, unless you are paying workers their true market value, or have open competition for workers (free market dichotomy where yall at). The difference is, this is a democracy (super rich votes < laid off workers votes) so the super rich class is gonna have to feed the people they sold into socialism by shipping their jobs to Chinese slave laborer (socialists). China is following America's formula (slavery = richest nation on earth). Only they have too many peole and will reach critical mass once their peasantry becomes self aware again and their deep thinking ancient rich culture takes over. China will split into pieces real soon.


One more point, when Capitalism fails you wind up with
1. War.
2. Socialism.
3. Famine.

Which of these three is more plausible for modern America?[/quote]

Well Wall Mart did become that big because people wanted to buy made in the the US stuff over cheap China crap. So eveyone has a pat in this.