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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;690925]You are asking the wrong guy. I want the coaches to see how they can use Al this year and if it doesn't work out, trade him in the offseason.[/quote]

This. Short of getting a guaranteed starter(ie mid to high first round), I just can't see a trade that makes sense for the Redskins. And I don't want to firesale him just to trade him.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;690919][QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;690909]what on earth makes you think Shanahan disregarded Haslett's plans for Haynesworth? In all likelyhood, Shanahan was reinforcing Haslett's plans. And even if your assertation were true, last time i checked, Shanahan is the head coach of this team and Haslett works for Shanahan. Shanahan's also more accomplished. If there were ever a disagreement between the two, i'd side with Shanahan without even needing to knkow Hasletts side of the story.


I wasn't making an assertion. I was responding to your comment that Shanahan publicly named Al NT. I believe this was a shot at Al more than a directive.

You would side with Shanahan over Haslett on a matter of defensive strategy? That makes zero sense to me. Shanahan has a terrible track record on defensive line talent evaluation, in fact it contributed to him losing his job in Denver.

If Shanahan wants to succeed here, he needs to let the DC call the shots when it comes to defense, especially when it is a DC as accomplished as Haslett.[/quote]

in my opinion, your faith in haslett is laughable. he is, by far, the worst defensive coordinator this team has had in a decade. the only faith i have in haslett is that shanahan had a whole year off to evaluate pretty much everything and he hand-picked him to be DC. i have no doubt that he and Haslett are on the same page when it comes to how the defense will be run and how to best utilize defensive players. I do agree that calling Haynesworth the teams starting NT was a comment primarily directed at Haynesworth - the big guy needs to swallow his pride and learn his place. We've brought in a couple dozen defensive linemen to compete for a roster spot, and instead of showing up and competing and practicing with his team, he's acting like he's above the team and staying away because he doesnt like whats going on. Shanahan's the head coach. Haynesworth needs to take a lesson from Clinton Portis and recognize that. We brought in two accomplished veteran RBs to compete with him. Instead of pouting and creating a fuss, he's shed his diva persona and is working out hard with the team, trying to prove to the new regime that he's worth keeping around. Haynesworth needs to get his butt inline.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;690922]How about Haynesworth alone for both of the Titans 3rd round picks?[/quote]

Absolutely not.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Should be noted that his minicamp that Haynesworth didn't attend was actually an extra mini-camp. Since Shanahan is a new coach (new to the Skins at least), he has the opportunity to hold two extra mini-camps and he's taking advantage of it. This first minicamp was pretty basic stuff...in other words, he didn't miss much this past weekend

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690934]Absolutely not.[/quote]

But you would trade Haynesworth, Rogers and Kelly for a first round pick?

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690931][quote=Pocket$ $traight;690919]

in my opinion, your faith in haslett is laughable. he is, by far, the worst defensive coordinator this team has had in a decade. the only faith i have in haslett is that shanahan had a whole year off to evaluate pretty much everything and he hand-picked him to be DC. i have no doubt that he and Haslett are on the same page when it comes to how the defense will be run and how to best utilize defensive players. I do agree that calling Haynesworth the teams starting NT was a comment primarily directed at Haynesworth - the big guy needs to swallow his pride and learn his place. We've brought in a couple dozen defensive linemen to compete for a roster spot, and instead of showing up and competing and practicing with his team, he's acting like he's above the team and staying away because he doesnt like whats going on. Shanahan's the head coach. Haynesworth needs to take a lesson from Clinton Portis and recognize that. We brought in two accomplished veteran RBs to compete with him. Instead of pouting and creating a fuss, he's shed his diva persona and is working out hard with the team, trying to prove to the new regime that he's worth keeping around. Haynesworth needs to get his butt inline.[/quote]


What makes Haslett such a terrible DC? He had some pretty good Pittsburgh teams. He led the Saints to their first playoff win and was the NFL coach of the year.

I think it could be argued whether Haslett is by far worse than Blache. I guess we will see.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690931][quote=Pocket$ $traight;690919]

in my opinion, your faith in haslett is laughable. he is, by far, [B]the worst defensive coordinator this team has had in a decade[/B]. the only faith i have in haslett is that shanahan had a whole year off to evaluate pretty much everything and he hand-picked him to be DC. i have no doubt that he and Haslett are on the same page when it comes to how the defense will be run and how to best utilize defensive players. I do agree that calling Haynesworth the teams starting NT was a comment primarily directed at Haynesworth - the big guy needs to swallow his pride and learn his place. We've brought in a couple dozen defensive linemen to compete for a roster spot, and instead of showing up and competing and practicing with his team, he's acting like he's above the team and staying away because he doesnt like whats going on. Shanahan's the head coach. Haynesworth needs to take a lesson from Clinton Portis and recognize that. We brought in two accomplished veteran RBs to compete with him. Instead of pouting and creating a fuss, he's shed his diva persona and is working out hard with the team, trying to prove to the new regime that he's worth keeping around. Haynesworth needs to get his butt inline.[/quote]

I'd say that's a stretch especially since we haven't even seen him coach a single snap yet.

Besides, George Edwards was pretty much a disaster in 2003. And if we're going back 10 years to '99, Mike "vanilla" Nolan was pretty bad. And of course Blache has his share of critics too.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;690938]But you would trade Haynesworth, Rogers and Kelly for a first round pick?[/quote]

Yes. I stated that felt Haynesworth was worth 700 points.

The titans natural 3rd round pick is worth only 205 points. the titans second 3rd rounder is a compensatory pick (for losing haynesworth last year) and is not trade-able. even if it was tradeable, it would only be worth about 115points. Those two picks are nowhere near worth Haynesworths value (to me).

Since the Titans 1st round pick is worth 1000 points, and I value Haynesworth at 700 points, we'd need to find a way to make up the remaining 300 points. a pick near the bottom of the 2nd round is worth 300 points. Bringing in Buchanon makes rogers somewhat expendable. I personally think Rogers is worth a 2nd rounder, but evidently no one else does or he would have been traded a long time ago. we'd need to offer something else to sweeten the deal. Enter Malcom Kelly. He's been rumored to be part of half a dozen potential trades SmootSmack has mentioned over the past couple of months so I think including him would make some sense.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

value or not I don't think that anyone wants to give up their 1st right now, especially seeing other recent trades

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690953]Yes. I stated that felt Haynesworth was worth 700 points.

The titans natural 3rd round pick is worth only 205 points. the titans second 3rd rounder is a compensatory pick (for losing haynesworth last year) and is not trade-able. even if it was tradeable, it would only be worth about 115points. Those two picks are nowhere near worth Haynesworths value (to me).

Since the Titans 1st round pick is worth 1000 points, and I value Haynesworth at 700 points, we'd need to find a way to make up the remaining 300 points. a pick near the bottom of the 2nd round is worth 300 points. Bringing in Buchanon makes rogers somewhat expendable. I personally think Rogers is worth a 2nd rounder, but evidently no one else does or he would have been traded a long time ago. we'd need to offer something else to sweeten the deal. [B]Enter Malcom Kelly. He's been rumored to be part of half a dozen potential trades SmootSmack has mentioned over the past couple of months so I think including him would make some sense.[/B][/quote]

Rumored to be part of one trade, and that was a package deal for Brandon Marshall.

Also,

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/04/19/10/Redskins-Allen-Sees-Draft-As-Chance-To-I/landing_redskins.html?blockID=219104&feedID=272]Redskins' Allen Sees Draft As Chance To Improve[/url]

Anytime a first round pick is traded, Jimmy Johnson’s famous point value chart is cited to determine if each team got fair value.

Allen and Shanahan don’t subscribe to that philosophy.

“It really is a deterrent to trading,” Allen said. “If you analyze [the chart], it takes so many draft choices to move up just a few slots. That’s prevented a lot of people from making more moves on draft day.”

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Allen is clearly setting the table to move down in round 1 even if he gets less then the perceived market value.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690898]who gives a crap about voluntary workouts? the crucial things is he skipped a minicamp. Shanahan's first minicamp. Hasletts first minicamp. Haynesworth first opportunity to learn and get practice in the new defense. THAT's what i'm concerned about. Or what I would be concerned about if I felt Haynesworth were going to be part of the team this year. [B]Its time for people to stop whining and recognize the fact that Haynesworth will be wearing another uniform in 2010.[/B][/quote]

He is a defensive lineman, not a QB. This a non-contact voluntary camp. Figuring out what your gap responsibility in a system will take all of a week. That is waht summer training camp is for. DAve Butz and Riggins never attended these voluntary camps. The sky is not falling.
Fact that he will be wearing another uniform? LOL!
Unless you are Shanahan, Allen or Snyder you do not know shit![B][/B]

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;690959]Rumored to be part of one trade, and that was a package deal for Brandon Marshall.

Also,

[URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/04/19/10/Redskins-Allen-Sees-Draft-As-Chance-To-I/landing_redskins.html?blockID=219104&feedID=272"]Redskins' Allen Sees Draft As Chance To Improve[/URL]

Anytime a first round pick is traded, Jimmy Johnson’s famous point value chart is cited to determine if each team got fair value.

Allen and Shanahan don’t subscribe to that philosophy.

“It really is a deterrent to trading,” Allen said. “If you analyze [the chart], it takes so many draft choices to move up just a few slots. That’s prevented a lot of people from making more moves on draft day.”[/quote]

Of what I've seen of the draft chart it really seems dated & backwards in relation to the cap. The Patriots try to move back every year to draft more in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. These picks aren't high value on the chart compared to top 10 picks, but they don't cost so much. It seems every team has figured out that trading into the top 10 is rarely worth it due to the salary & the cost in picks to move up.

If anything, the chart should weigh the economic impact of the top picks, thus reducing their point totals. As it is now, most teams operate counter intuitively to the chart.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Defensewins;690972]He is a defensive lineman, not a QB. This a non-contact voluntary camp. Figuring out what your gap responsibility in a system will take all of a week. That is waht summer training camp is for. DAve Butz and Riggins never attended these voluntary camps. The sky is not falling.
Fact that he will be wearing another uniform? LOL!
Unless you are Shanahan, Allen or Snyder you do not know shit![/quote]


That is pretty much what Doc Walker said. He said that Al missing this mini-camp is irrelevant.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

I just get the feeling that AH will be traded on draft day. I imagine though that things may have to break right for the teams who want AH, Detroit and Tennessee. So like everything it's not etched in stone. Maybe it's a case of swapping 1sts w/ Tenn and them throwing in a 2nd this year and next or something along those lines.

It's getting close so i think i'm just thinking of crazy scenarios. Draft day will come and we'll take Okung and we'll be done w/ it.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

The people in the business to sell newspapers or TV media are taking rumor and spinning it like it is fact and some of you guys are swallowing it like it is fact.
Until Shanahan, Allen, Snyder or AH (or his agent) is quoted then it is fact.
If snake oil salesmen like La Canforna and his rumor mongering buddies say it, it is not fact...it is rumor....until it happens.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690898]who gives a crap about voluntary workouts? the crucial things is he skipped a minicamp. Shanahan's first minicamp. Hasletts first minicamp. Haynesworth first opportunity to learn and get practice in the new defense. THAT's what i'm concerned about. Or what I would be concerned about if I felt Haynesworth were going to be part of the team this year. [B] Its time for people to stop whining and recognize the fact that Haynesworth will be wearing another uniform in 2010[/B].[/quote]

[B]Who's [/B]whining? :laughing-

Not the people wanting him to stay...the whiners are the ones saying he should go.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Buster;691012][B]Who's [/B]whining? :laughing-

Not the people wanting him to stay...the whiners are the ones saying he should go.[/quote]
haha, no doubt

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

I think AH is nothing more than a chip to build this team at this point. Whether he wants to be here or not he is being used to build the roster. I think the redskins will send him to Detroit for their second and something else. They will then draft okung and we will move down using suh as the ammunition and still draft Williams. We will pick up a 3rd in moving down giving us a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and a 7th.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;691021]I think AH is nothing more than a chip to build this team at this point. Whether he wants to be here or not he is being used to build the roster. I think the redskins will send him to Detroit for their second and something else. They will then draft okung and we will move down using suh as the ammunition and still draft Williams. We will pick up a 3rd in moving down giving us a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and a 7th.[/quote]

If we send him to Detroit, they're drafting Okung. Both of their lines would be strengthened then.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Mattyk;690967]Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.[/quote]

Could be. IMO It seems that when it's a straight pick for picks trade in that years draft it comes out somewhat close to the chart most times. When players or even future year picks are inserted into a deal it tends to change everything. It seemed like NY moved up for Sanchez for next to nothing last year in my eyes just becasue Mangenus put some over-inflated value on his former Jet players.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Mattyk;690967]Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.[/quote]Smart teams like New England stockpile 2nd round picks, because that's where real value is. Considering the ridiculous rookie slotting system of 1st round contracts, Suh and G. McCoy will make guaranteed money comparable to the obscene amount that we threw at Haynesworth. I really hope that the next CBA limits rookie pay in favor of proven veterans. Let a player prove it on the field before he can break the bank.

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I just don't get it. I do know you can't have it two ways. Either M.Shanahan is telling the truth or he's not.

Everyone is quick to point out that Shanahan said "T.O. is not in the Redskins plans." Meaning we will not be picking up T.O., but don't hesitate to question the fact that Shanahan said AH is a Redskin and is contracted and will remain a Redskin.

If Shanahan is telling the truth about T.O. then the obvious is also true...AH will not be traded.

Unless Shanahan is lying which means he could be lying about T.O. also. which is it?

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SouperMeister;691044]Smart teams like New England stockpile 2nd round picks, because that's where real value is. Considering the ridiculous rookie slotting system of 1st round contracts, Suh and G. McCoy will make guaranteed money comparable to the obscene amount that we threw at Haynesworth. [B]I really hope that the next CBA limits rookie pay in favor of proven veterans. Let a player prove it on the field before he can break the bank.[/B][/quote]


I ain't trying to hate buttttt hell yeah give the money to the proven Vet.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SBXVII;691145]I just don't get it. I do know you can't have it two ways. Either M.Shanahan is telling the truth or he's not.

Everyone is quick to point out that Shanahan said "T.O. is not in the Redskins plans." Meaning we will not be picking up T.O., but don't hesitate to question the fact that Shanahan said AH is a Redskin and is contracted and will remain a Redskin.

If Shanahan is telling the truth about T.O. then the obvious is also true...AH will not be traded.

Unless Shanahan is lying which means he could be lying about T.O. also. which is it?[/quote]

Two different issues are at play here.

TO is a free agent. No need to smoke screen or lie. Just sign him...or not.

AH, on the other hand, may be traded with draft implications. Therefore a smokescreen or lie may be appropriate.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Maybe the Viks in play or should I say "hot pursuit" for fat albert....

Vikings in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 22, 2010 5:12 PM ET
One of the more intriguing draft rumors floating around today involves a new team that may have an interest in acquiring Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: The Minnesota Vikings.

A league source told PFT that the Vikings are in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth.

The rumor we heard lines up with something Judd Zulgad of the Star Tribune wrote today, indicating ESPN's John Clayton had mentioned that the Vikings had contacted the Redskins about Haynesworth. Although Redskins coach Mike Shanahan has said there have been no Haynesworth trade talks, most people believe that Haynesworth would be available.

Haynesworth would seem to be a better fit in the Vikings' 4-3 defense than in the new 3-4 that the Redskins are installing. In Minnesota, Haynesworth would join a defensive line that already has defensive tackles Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, both of whom are still potentially facing four-game suspensions over a 2008 positive test for a prescription diuretic.

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Thats interesting.... Do you think there is ANY way that we get their 1st round pick for him?

I'm not really in favor of trading Big Al, but if we're going to, maybe we could at least get some value in this one.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;691882]Maybe the Viks in play or should I say "hot pursuit" for fat albert....

Vikings in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 22, 2010 5:12 PM ET
One of the more intriguing draft rumors floating around today involves a new team that may have an interest in acquiring Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: The Minnesota Vikings.

A league source told PFT that the Vikings are in "hot pursuit" of Haynesworth.

The rumor we heard lines up with something Judd Zulgad of the Star Tribune wrote today, indicating ESPN's John Clayton had mentioned that the Vikings had contacted the Redskins about Haynesworth. Although Redskins coach Mike Shanahan has said there have been no Haynesworth trade talks, most people believe that Haynesworth would be available.

Haynesworth would seem to be a better fit in the Vikings' 4-3 defense than in the new 3-4 that the Redskins are installing. In Minnesota, Haynesworth would join a defensive line that already has defensive tackles Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, both of whom are still potentially facing four-game suspensions over a 2008 positive test for a prescription diuretic.[/quote]

That would be ****ing scary. Borderline insane defense. And I'm not to type to use profanity much.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

OK, at this point AH needs to payback some of that money to get a trade. I'm not willing to let his ass walk with 30 million after just one year of service without getting at least a 1st round pick or some of that money back.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;691884]That would be ****ing scary. Borderline insanely good defense.[/quote]

Seriously, him, the Williams and Jared Allen???

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Gmanc711;691883]Thats interesting.... Do you think there is ANY way that we get their 1st round pick for him?

I'm not really in favor of trading Big Al, but if we're going to, maybe we could at least get some value in this one.[/quote]

Wouldn't put too much into the Vikings rumor (or the rumor that McKinnie would be traded to the Redskins).

The only legit contender was the Titans but they had (have?) to get a 2nd to send to us first.

Saints are a long shot.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;691889]Wouldn't put too much into the Vikings rumor (or the rumor that McKinnie would be traded to the Redskins).

The only legit contender was the Titans but they had (have?) to get a 2nd to send to us first.

Saints are a long shot.[/quote]

I'm not in favor of trading Haynesworth either. Afraid we won't get equal value because he should fetch a 1st rounder and I doubt anyone is going to give that for him. Don't want to think we're so disgruntled with him that we'll just give him away because some people are unhappy with his off-season approach.

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Redskin Insider:

Posted at 6:27 PM ET, 04/22/2010
Redskins might find it tough to turn down 2nd-rounder for Haynesworth

With only about an hour remaining before the draft begins, there's obviously a lot flying around. Despite the Redskins' denial, there's tons of chatter about defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

If they can get a second-round pick for Haynesworth, the Redskins would have a hard time passing on that, a person familiar with the situation said. To this point, it is believed the Redskins have not received an offer that includes a second-rounder.

Meanwhile, there are reports the Minnesota Vikings are in pursuit of Haynesworth. I recently received a text message from a source who has spoken with a high-ranking Vikings official, and the official told the source Minnesota has nothing going on right now with the Redskins.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

fyi

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/report-haynesworth-deal-expected-now/]Report: Haynesworth deal expected now | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Here's the latest on the $100 million man in list form because my brain is tired and I need to put on some pants and get over to Radio City Music Hall soon.

1. NFL Network's Jason La Canfora's sources is convinced Haynesworth's trade [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/23/haynesworth-deal-expected-to-come-down-today/"][COLOR=#0000ff]will happen today[/COLOR][/URL]. And despite Titans coach Jeff Fisher's protestations, he says the most likely destination is Tennessee for a second round pick.

2. The Saints aren't interested. Both the [I]New Orleans Times-Picayune's[/I] Jeff Duncan and Jay Glazer of FOX say they Saints don't want him. He even used capital letters to say so:

"They have ZERO interest in Albert. ZERO!!!"

3. Both Haynesworth and the Redskins want a divorce. That doesn't help leverage, so it behooves both sides to float rumors of interest, even if the interest is mild. When both sides want a divorce, the trade usually happens.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Id rather have Haynesworth then a second round pick unless it also came with a great player.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Titans deal could be close. They need to make one other move first (unless the Skins are willing to settle) and when that deal closes, and it should from what I hear, it will open things up for a trade to TN.

Perhaps not coincidentally, Big Al's agent was talking with Titans officials this morning (reportedly)

Still at least one other team involved potentially

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=mlmpetert;693223]fyi

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/report-haynesworth-deal-expected-now/]Report: Haynesworth deal expected now | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Here's the latest on the $100 million man in list form because my brain is tired and I need to put on some pants and get over to Radio City Music Hall soon.

1. NFL Network's Jason La Canfora's sources is convinced Haynesworth's trade [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/23/haynesworth-deal-expected-to-come-down-today/"][COLOR=#0000ff]will happen today[/COLOR][/URL]. And despite Titans coach Jeff Fisher's protestations, he says the most likely destination is Tennessee for a second round pick.

2. The Saints aren't interested. Both the [I]New Orleans Times-Picayune's[/I] Jeff Duncan and Jay Glazer of FOX say they Saints don't want him. He even used capital letters to say so:

"They have ZERO interest in Albert. ZERO!!!"

3. Both Haynesworth and the Redskins want a divorce. That doesn't help leverage, so it behooves both sides to float rumors of interest, even if the interest is mild. When both sides want a divorce, the trade usually happens.[/quote]

PFT + JLC = Fail. This story couldn't be more wrong. We are not trading him. End of story. I'm now going to refer to them as the true liberal media, because while it's nice to hear rumors and the like during the offseason it gets annoying when they're dead wrong. The liberal part comes into play because they're are very Laissez-faire with what they'll use to write a story.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;693226]PFT + JLC = Fail. This story couldn't be more wrong. We are not trading him. End of story. I'm now going to refer to them as the true liberal media, because while it's nice to hear rumors and the like during the offseason it gets annoying when they're dead wrong. The liberal part comes into play because they're are very Laissez-faire with what they'll use to write a story.[/quote]

Wouldn't that be conservative since they are using very little information, as they try to wish something to be true and claim their theories are actually facts.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;693229]Wouldn't that be conservative since they are using very little information, as they try to wish something to be true and claim their theories are actually facts.[/quote]
Laissez-faire capitalism used to be "liberal" in its heyday. It's essentially dead now, as everything has at least some government pawprints on it now.

And "conservatives" make some good points, but are more brazen with their knuckleheadness than their donkey counterparts, and the latter is only slightly better off, as they are prone to snobbery.