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[quote=JoeRedskin;695075]^^ Is Capers our Rod Smith? Any chance he actually out performs Williams?[/quote]

not unless williams completely craps the bed he has way more raw talent, and physical ability than capers, and that is in no way a knock on capers

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I gave a grade of "C". I easily could have given a "B" though. I question the WR with a weight of 175 when we need a possession receiver.

I questioned the TE pick. Thought about it and understood they were utilizing him at FB. But I always thought FB's were bigger then TE's? cause they are mostly used for blocking for the RB or at the goal line.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;695067]Malcom Kelly says that TW has always been a hard worker. Since we know that it not the case (TW admitted as much in his press conference), that makes me question whether Kelly truly understands the meaning of "hard work." It also makes me question whether Kelly will contribute to the team as much as I had hoped in 2010. I have a nagging feeling that WR will be our greatest need going in to 2011.[/quote]

You know who I hear has an awsome work ethic?..... T.O.

Just saying. lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;695086]I gave a grade of "C". I easily could have given a "B" though. I question the WR with a weight of 175 when we need a possession receiver.

I questioned the TE pick. Thought about it and understood they were utilizing him at FB. But I always thought FB's were bigger then TE's? cause they are mostly used for blocking for the RB or at the goal line.[/quote]

FB's bigger than TE's? Not usually.

Unless you're talking about Sellers, but he's a freak at FB at 270.

Just curious, why are we in need of a possession WR with Thomas and Kelly still on board?

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[quote=Mattyk;695091]FB's bigger than TE's? Not usually.

Unless you're talking about Sellers, but he's a freak at FB at 270.

Just curious, why are we in need of a possession WR with Thomas and Kelly still on board?[/quote]

Like I have said in the other threads....

Thomas is starting to look good. He's still not a DeSean Jackson or a R.Moss but he's getting more passes thrown his way. I have not seen anything out of Kelly that screams we are set at WR. I think he only had like a handfull of balls thrown his way and all I can remember is a crappy screen that went for like 1 yrd.

I totally understand the whole Zorn and Hixon issue. I'm hoping Kelly gets coached up big this yr but until we actually see him perform something special I just don't see how anyone can say "whats the problem we have Thomas and Kelly."

On a side note.... my man Mason only had one preseason and everyone wanted him gone. He got cut and brought back and everyone wondered why he was here. That's how I feel about Kelly. Why is he still on the roster?

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[quote=SBXVII;695097]Like I have said in the other threads....

Thomas is starting to look good. He's still not a DeSean Jackson or a R.Moss but he's getting more passes thrown his way. I have not seen anything out of Kelly that screams we are set at WR. I think he only had like a handfull of balls thrown his way and all I can remember is a crappy screen that went for like 1 yrd.

I totally understand the whole Zorn and Hixon issue. I'm hoping Kelly gets coached up big this yr but until we actually see him perform something special I just don't see how anyone can say "whats the problem we have Thomas and Kelly."

[B]On a side note.... my man Mason only had one preseason and everyone wanted him gone. He got cut and brought back and everyone wondered why he was here. That's how I feel about Kelly. Why is he still on the roster[/B]?[/quote]

simple answer there, mason wasn't a second round draft pick he was a udfa, kelly on the other hand wasn't a udfa yet he wasa second round pick

if he doesn't produce this year he will be gone but you can't justify getting rid of a second rounder after one unproductive year and one injury prone year

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Just saying how about giving Kelly a year under Shanahan to see what he can do. If he proves to be a bum put WR on our needs list for next year.

As far as comparing him to Mason, one guy was an undrafted free agent, the other was a 2nd round pick. You tell me the difference between the two.

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I thought Mason was here for three pre-seasons?

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[quote=SmootSmack;695103]I thought Mason was here for three pre-seasons?[/quote]

i think it was two but you would/should know better than me

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With McNabb on board there will be no more excuses for our WR's. We will soon know who has it and who does not.
My only concern with Kelly and Thomas besides confirming they have the ability and drive to succeed in the NFL, is will their bodies hold up. They both have a history of nagging injuries and missing time during camp. How much of that is chronic injury and how much is lack of fitness and preparation. These guys better bring their A game. Their time to finally show they belong in the NFL is running out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;695042]

Thought Selvish Capers has the potential to be a phenomenal pick. He's a poor man's Trent Williams in the sense that he's very athletic and versatile. But he'll also work hard 100% of the time. Something that's been questioned about TW.[/quote]

Heard Selvish on the radio this morning and they asked him who would when a head to head between him and Fat Al. He goes, Selvish Capers! It was really funny. But he's totally ready, at least it sounds like it, to make an impact on this team. He talks like he wants to start.

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[quote=Defensewins;695108]With McNabb on board there will be no more excuses for our WR's. We will soon know who has it and who does not.
My only concern with Kelly and Thomas besides confirming they have the ability and drive to succeed in the NFL, is will their bodies hold up. They both have a history of nagging injuries and missing time during camp. How much of that is chronic injury and how much is lack of fitness and preparation. These [B]guys better bring their A game. Their time to finally show they belong in the NFL is running out[/B].[/quote]

i feel like with shanny and allen in and vinny out this now applies to everyone. no more playing favorites and no more fan boy crap, if you can play you are in if you can't you are out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;695042]Not really a fan of the Austin pick (especially with Snead still on the board! The fact that he wasn't drafted just proves that GTripp is right. All NFL execs and scouts are morons and don't have a clue what they're doing)[/quote]This is one of two central tenets for everything I think/do. The other being that Jevan Snead can't play at the NFL level.

Oh no! It appears I have to be wrong on one of these accounts now! I have to be...wrong?

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[quote=GTripp0012;695123]This is one of two central tenets for everything I think/do. The other being that Jevan Snead can't play at the NFL level.

Oh no! It appears I have to be wrong on one of these accounts now! I have to be...wrong?[/quote]

It appears you're a moron and know nothing about football

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Jevan Snead couldn't really play at the collegiate level, but the NFL is a whole new level! It's like a different game.

Maybe he will be better at that new level than he was at the one before.

Sorry Smoot. Snead is going to be out of the league by the end of preseason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;695128]It appears you're a moron and know nothing about football[/quote]Yeah, well, I predicted that Mike Kafka would be taken before...John Skelton!

I also predicted Tebow would be taken before Clausen, but that's just not nearly as impressive as my awesome Kafka foresight.

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[quote=Mattyk;695100]Just saying how about giving Kelly a year under Shanahan to see what he can do. If he proves to be a bum put WR on our needs list for next year.

As far as comparing him to Mason, one guy was an undrafted free agent, the other was a 2nd round pick. You tell me the difference between the two.[/quote]

I'm totally for giving Kelly another yr. What I said was I can also see him possibly getting cut. I understand his first year being injured truly should not count against him. Last yr (his second yr) his knees kept swelling. I think he spent more time in the ice tub vs the field. I don't think they even put him on the field until mid season and even then I think he was under used. Why? because of talent ahead of him? I just don't know.

But my main point is I can see the team picking up another WR since it is a partial concern. Heck word coming out is the team knows it has to upgrade the WR spot. Unless some one as good as S.Moss get cut or let go there is no other WR decent out there unless your talking T.O.

Maybe some of you are already working on it but is there any other WR who is on a team right now that might be released who we can wait for other wise I see our WR's as simply ok. Maybe K.Shanahan's passing scheme will make them look better then they are?

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[quote=SBXVII;695156]I'm totally for giving Kelly another yr. What I said was I can also see him possibly getting cut. I understand his first year being injured truly should not count against him. Last yr (his second yr) his knees kept swelling. I think he spent more time in the ice tub vs the field. I don't think they even put him on the field until mid season and even then I think he was under used. Why? because of talent ahead of him? I just don't know.

But my main point is I can see the team picking up another WR since it is a partial concern. Heck word coming out is the team knows it has to upgrade the WR spot. Unless some one as good as S.Moss get cut or let go there is no other WR decent out there unless your talking T.O.

Maybe some of you are already working on it but is there any other WR who is on a team right now that might be released who we can wait for other wise I see our WR's as simply ok. Maybe K.Shanahan's passing scheme will make them look better then they are?[/quote]

As I said in the other thread you must be mixing up his rookie year with last year. He started the season as the starter at WR last year, started the first 5 games. He just got benched for being unproductive, his knee wasn't a factor.

He did injure thumb ligaments early in the season but again, the knee was not an issue.

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/11/malcolm-kelly-on-his-offseason-and-his-new-coach/]Malcolm Kelly On His Offseason And His New Coach[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;695100][B]Just saying how about giving Kelly a year under Shanahan to see what he can do.[/B] If he proves to be a bum put WR on our needs list for next year.

As far as comparing him to Mason, one guy was an undrafted free agent, the other was a 2nd round pick. You tell me the difference between the two.[/quote]

Look at what Shanny did with Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey. Both of those guys performed well above their levels of innate talent (I'm admiring, not knocking, both guys).

He may make Thomas and Kelly look like different players.

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1 - trent williams
2 - donovan mcnabb
3 - jeremy jarmon
4 - perry riley
5 -adam carriker
6 - te dixon la tech
6- wr ucla
7 - selvish capers

i think i got our order right. im pretty happy with that. i gave us a B.

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Speaking of Jarmon is he supposed to be gaining weight or losing weight this offseason? First I heard this offseason the were going to stand him up at OLB in the 3-4 and now I'm not so sure that is even possible or if that it's still the plan? It's more likely for him to gain ten/fifteen pounds and play his natural position at DE isn't it?

The team site lists him as a LB. A 277 pound LB?

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Jevon Snead is sadly a classic example for players staying in school rather than leaving early.

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idk i was wondering where he fits in the scheme as well. it seems we have enough front 7 guys that we can platoon positions where we dont have a clear cut starter and rotate for guys like AH when they are tired.

we still have to find a spot for andre carter as well. good thing is we got a few months to see how things pan out. and teams are cutting some pretty good players right now so im thinking our roster still has a few more unknown at this time players to add.

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[quote=GTripp0012;695136]Yeah, well, I predicted that Mike Kafka would be taken before...John Skelton!

I also predicted Tebow would be taken before Clausen, but that's just not nearly as impressive as my awesome Kafka foresight.[/quote]

Tebow over Clausen was much more impressive given that some people thought Clausen could easily go in the top 10 and Tebow would be lucky to make it in the first.

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Good Article with comments from Trent William OU coach:

[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/04/26/trent-williams-position-coach-addresses-the-red-flags/]Trent Williams’ position coach addresses the red flags - Redskins Journal[/url]

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[quote=wilsowilso;695187]Speaking of Jarmon is he supposed to be gaining weight or losing weight this offseason? First I heard this offseason the were going to stand him up at OLB in the 3-4 and now I'm not so sure that is even possible or if that it's still the plan? It's more likely for him to gain ten/fifteen pounds and play his natural position at DE isn't it?

The team site lists him as a LB. A 277 pound LB?[/quote]

Last heard he's shooting for the 260 range, I don't think the weights on player profiles are updated until training camp.

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^ funny, cause Shanahan said he's our DE...

What I was going to say was that when the draft came around, I really didn't like much of our second day picks, such as Terrence Austin and Dennis Morris. I was like here we go again, not addressing the OL and getting another TE and receiver. But then I noticed Morris will be our FB, and that he's a BEAST blocker. I was just watching Terrence Austins blazing speed and return highlights and thought to myself he reminds me of a poor mans desean jackson; gee isn't that McNabbs favorite target? So now I'm looking at those at the time bad picks, and now think they're really good picks. Now I'm thinking Capers was probably our worst pick. I was watching his Senior Bowl highlights, and man was he exposed worse than Erin Andrews was. He got owned by speed rushers and some power rushers. He'll probably get cut.

I was wondering what everyone thought about who our best pick was who will get the most playing time/ impact besides Trent Williams?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;695378]^ funny, cause Shanahan said he's our DE...

What I was going to say was that when the draft came around, I really didn't like much of our second day picks, such as Terrence Austin and Dennis Morris. I was like here we go again, not addressing the OL and getting another TE and receiver. But then I noticed Morris will be our FB, and that he's a BEAST blocker. I was just watching Terrence Austins blazing speed and return highlights and thought to myself he reminds me of a poor mans desean jackson; gee isn't that McNabbs favorite target? So now I'm looking at those at the time bad picks, and now think they're really good picks. Now I'm thinking Capers was probably our worst pick. [B]I was watching his Senior Bowl highlights, and man was he exposed worse than Erin Andrews was[/B]. He got owned by speed rushers and some power rushers. He'll probably get cut.

I was wondering what everyone thought about who our best pick was who will get the most playing time/ impact besides Trent Williams?[/quote]

haha ouch. too soon?

but to answer your last question, i really want it to be capers at RT. i know that its a longshot, and i am not saying its the most likely, but thats the player i want to be really successful. not having to worry about LT and RT for the next few years would be really sweet.

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Jarmon will probably play both OLB and DE.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;695378]^ funny, cause Shanahan said he's our DE...

What I was going to say was that when the draft came around, I really didn't like much of our second day picks, such as Terrence Austin and Dennis Morris. I was like here we go again, not addressing the OL and getting another TE and receiver. But then I noticed Morris will be our FB, and that he's a BEAST blocker. I was just watching Terrence Austins blazing speed and return highlights and thought to myself he reminds me of a poor mans desean jackson; gee isn't that McNabbs favorite target? So now I'm looking at those at the time bad picks, and now think they're really good picks. Now I'm thinking Capers was probably our worst pick. I was watching his Senior Bowl highlights, and man was he exposed worse than Erin Andrews was. He got owned by speed rushers and some power rushers. He'll probably get cut.

I was wondering what everyone thought about who our best pick was who will get the most playing time/ impact besides Trent Williams?[/quote]

Based on the little bit I know (didn't watch the sr. bowl) I liked the Capers pick. Maybe his stock dropped in the sr. bowl & in the combine when teams saw that he isn't that strong. The latter can be corrected. He is a project, probably needs a couple years in the weight room. From what I've read it sounds like he has the athletic ability to make it if he works hard on technique & strength training.

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I think Capers was a huge steal, I know only time will tell, but I hope that this draft may have settled both our tackle problems by next season at the latest. And one step further, we may find that our tackles become the ZBS Hogs. Both Williams and Capers need upper body work, but are agile and quick, the question is will the be able to handle the NFCE DE/OLBs. Another good thing about Capers, I believe, is that he will constantly be pushing Williams, atleast until both have earned their respective spots, at which point they will be acclaimed as the best tackle pair in the sport.

Man am I full of hope or what!

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;695411]Man am I full of hope or what![/QUOTE]
Hope or hallucinogens.

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[[B]QUOTE=mlmdub130;695098]simple answer there, mason wasn't a second round draft pick he was a udfa, kelly on the other hand wasn't a udfa yet he wasa second round pick[/B]

if he doesn't produce this year he will be gone but you can't justify getting rid of a second rounder after one unproductive year and one injury prone year[/QUOTE]

I understand what your trying to say, Kelly was a 2nd round draft pick so obviously he has talent. Mason was an UFA which obviously means he doesn't and teams would be taking a chance on him anyway.

I would counter that Mason was a good runner but his problem was he kept fumbling. Not to mention Zorn's scheme again which didn't help any of our players. If he sucked completely teams wouldn't be trying to pick him up. We picked him up. Baltimore picked him up. The Jets picked him up and actually had him on their roster for the year, not on PS. The Chargers wanted him but due to a technicality (us having a worse record) we were able to win the bid on him over them. Now he's with the Chargers. Obviously coach's see something with him. I'm just tired of waiting like the rest of you.

I'm almost at that point with Kelly. I hope he has a break out year. All I'm saying is what if he doesn't?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;695428]Hope or hallucinogens.[/quote]

either way, and I'm not saying which:Smoker::pimp:, it's better than being a [IMG]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ClUQ-yFbcTtLzM:http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/features/health/theskinny/blog/debbie_downer.jpg[/IMG]

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for what it's worth, I listened to the Thundering Herd podcast yesterday and he said the Skins had one of the best drafts of any team. He criticized other analysts for praising teams like the Eagles and Patriots who have multiple 2nd round picks every year and claiming that they had great drafts when if you look at the team 2-3 years later, those 2nd round picks arent doing anything. He said the Redskins used their 2nd round pick on Donovan McNabb, who will be better than Bradford, Clausen or any other rookie QB over the next 4-5 years and then we used our 1st round pick on a guy who will be a solid starting left tackle for the next 10 years. Then we used a late round pick to acquire a starting defensive end in our new defense. Heessentially said that those three guys will do more for our team this year than any three players drafted in the 2nd round by teams like philidelphia and new england. cowherd bashes the skins all the time so it was nice to see us get some praise from one of our biggest critics.

For those that hate the idea that we spent a 2nd rounder on a 33 year old QB, consider this - i think i saw a stat somewhere that showed something like 50% of 1st round QBs and 90% of QBs taken in the 2nd rounder or later were busts. Clausen could end up being great, and i think the panthers got great value selecting him with the 48th pick, but the chances of him being great are slim to none. mcnabb could start for the next 5 years if we wanted him to. even if we had traded up in the 1st round to get sam bradford, and even if he beat the odds, we'd have to give him a new contract or let him walk in 5-6 years anyway. so really, NOTHING is garaunteed for 5+ years anyway. given the choice, i think we made the smart decision by using a 2nd rounder on a guy we KNOW will play at a pro-bowl level (or close to it) for the next 5 years. obviously, we'll have to draft his replacement at some point. But i think whomever we draft has a much greater chance of success if he's learning from McNabb than if he were learning from Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman, or Colt Brennan. I'm not trying to knock Kevin Kolb, but i don't think he'd be anywhere near the player the Eagles think him to be if he hadn't been working closely with McNabb for the past 3 years. Hopefully, we can draft someone with alot of potential in 2011 and they can reap similar benefits learning under McNabb. Who knows, Pineapple Jesus may surprise us all and develop nicely under McNabb and the Shanahans.

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That hurt my eyes.

I agree with the points about the picks were put to excellent use. This could be our most successful draft class since Snyder took over.

I am definitely more confident in McNabb than Bradford or Claussen, both who have different types of issues. Bradford is an injury risk who would have cemented another season with a sub-par line (no Trent Williams). Also, he played in a system that seems to always put up big points at the college level and may not translate to pro success. Claussen played in a better system to translate to the NFL, but seems to have some maturity and possible locker room issues. I didn't completely take the rumors as truth, but when it came from his own mouth in the Gruden interview...he sunk his own ship.

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I've read just about every draft book thats out there. Good coaching will enable this:

1. TW will be a great LT, he was rated in the top 8
2. Morris was in the top 10 for TE's in Receiving Yds per gme, Receptions, Receiving TD's he placed 19 for Receptions.
3. Caspers was in the top 9 OL's in every magazine, he will be a great RT.
4. Cook plays multiple spots on the OL.
5. Austin should make it as a Return man eventually he will be the slot WR.
6. Riley will eventually replace Fletcher & make the DF's calls.

Back to the begining it's in the coach's hands to bring out the talent but i think we looking good for the next yrs.

HTTR.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;695218]Good Article with comments from Trent William OU coach:

[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/04/26/trent-williams-position-coach-addresses-the-red-flags/]Trent Williams’ position coach addresses the red flags - Redskins Journal[/url][/quote]

Good article. Williams' injuries are of some concern.

...I don't remember Okung having any injury history. Makes the FO's decision I bit more curious.

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I think with our new strength & conditioning coaches he'll be fine, along with the 99% player workout participation he'll also be motivated.

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[quote=The Goat;695836]Good article. Williams' injuries are of some concern.

...I don't remember Okung having any injury history. Makes the FO's decision I bit more curious.[/quote]

At this point everyone has an injury history.

None of Williams' injuries caused him to miss any significant time so what's the concern?