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[quote=SmootSmack;702076]I don't know for sure. Just know that Santana is one guy I've heard rumors about for a long time from credible folk.[/quote]Man maybe that is why we went and got so many receivers. Is it possible they knew this was coming. I would guess under the same policy they suspended Rothlisberger, thy could suspend the player that this controversy surrounds.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;702078]unless Santana has actually tested positive for something, can he suffer any sort of punishment from the league? Yeah, i know this doctor could claim that santana did, but thats just hearsay.[/quote]
Just look at Big Ben, for your answer.

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[quote=mlmpetert;702059][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I was talking to a coworker about this, is hgh use really all that bad for football players? Most players and positions take a pounding on a weekly basis. Fans, coaches, owners, and teammates expect you to play through injuries. The average career is only 2-3 years. If you miss any significant amount of time youre considered washed up. Contracts arnt guaranteed. There is always someone trying to take your job. A minor injury can completely kill your career. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]If you are given the choice between using HGH to come back from injury (or containing a chronic injury) or working at UPS or a car dealership what would you do? I guess it’s a banned substance but maybe the rules should be modified so players can use hgh treatment for injuries.[/COLOR][/FONT]

Also my money is on Kelly. We should have kept Marko.....[/quote]
If anyone needs HGH it's them. Look at their bodies after they've gotten out of the game, the guys need whatever they can get. If that involves rehabbing with HGH even during their playing years I'm for it. I don't know how they'll regulate it and I doubt that it will be allowed anytime soon but if they're serious about protecting their retired players they need to look at all angles.

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Chances are, and the way the NFL works, even if it is Santana he might not get suspended until next season. To the best of my knowledge, the affidavit didn't specifically name anyone. But Jeremy Jarmon tweeted about another big name player could involved in this too.

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Tom Brady

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[quote=SmootSmack;702169]Tom Brady[/quote]
shyeww... that means we're safe

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Ah..that is a bit of jaw dropper. So I'm just going to make a broad assumption not based on facts. Chances are the Commish is likely to be lenient on a guy like Brady, thus making it less likely that Tana would get a suspension too. Again, provided that the were both involved (I say involved, because no one has tested positive for anything) to the same extent.

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Russellmania09

#Redskins Phil Daniels :"There's no excuses. Every guy knows that you can't use that. HGH -- you know what that is."

Russellmania09

#Redskins Phil Daniels: "I hope they just tear the papers up and let it go.Just go to him privately & do it that way. I don't want to know."

Russellmania09

"I don't want to be that teammate & have to look at my partner & say 'Dawg, you've been doing that illegal, all this time?' @thatboyphil93

Russellmania09

#Redskins Phil Daniels asked about 20 % / 10 guy per team average "It's probably more then that. Im pretty sure the temptation is there."

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I'm betting hard on Moss. If i'm not mistaken he missed 2 games around Oct. 07 because of a knee injury and him coming out and saying his knee was bothering for a few years just confirmed it. Hopefully he won't get suspended this yr.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;702078]unless Santana has actually tested positive for something, can he suffer any sort of punishment from the league? Yeah, i know this doctor could claim that santana did, but thats just hearsay.[/quote]

I think you have to look at how Goodell has handled other cases in the past to predict if 'Tana (if it is him) gets punished. Roethlisberger just got suspended 6 games even though no charges were filed. So I think it's safe to say if he gets implicated in this we can expect punishment on him in some way.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;702078]unless Santana has actually tested positive for something, can he suffer any sort of punishment from the league? Yeah, i know this doctor could claim that santana did, but thats just hearsay.[/quote]

He can still be suspended for disgracing the shield. However right now with the way the NFL test for PED's you couldn't catch someone using HGH.

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I don't think Santana will be suspended, I heard it was a defensive player.


And this isn't going to kill our season, it's one ONE player

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[quote=RedskinsfaninBaltimore;702229]I don't think Santana will be suspended, I heard it was a defensive player.


And this isn't going to kill our season, it's one ONE player[/quote]

Did you hear it was Carlos Rogers or Rocky McIntosh?

Actually, that's interesting that you heard it was a defensive player. I've heard a couple of defensive players mentioned but neither is with the team anymore

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I don't approve of these steriods (In a British accent), the NFL makes $$$$$$$$$$ so guys will always be trying to recover fast play better, to much money not to why you think MLB has the problem all their contracts are guaranteed. When the owners and player Players sit down they need to put a new drug testing in the contract.

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the media is going to beat this to death. who freakin cares.

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More DC drama lol. Role the dice and say Jansen. I am loving this off season of the Skins with an overpaid DT, HGH druggie, oline issues are still very real, who does McNabb throw too???, picking up players with a history of domestic violence issues come on Larry Johnson seriously. I think you all have lost any say about Dallas and there issue players from the 90's.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;702264]More DC drama lol. Role the dice and say Jansen. I am loving this off season of the Skins with an overpaid DT, HGH druggie, oline issues are still very real, who does McNabb throw too???, picking up players with a history of domestic violence issues come on Larry Johnson seriously.[B] I think you all have lost any say about Dallas and there issue players from the 90's[/B].[/quote]

Did you forget about your shitfaced drunken owner.

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Another Dallas player making news Dion Anderson pulling a gun on some employees at a restaurant.

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Little Johnny was in his Kindergarten class when the teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came up - fireman, policeman, salesman.

Johnny was being uncharacteristically quiet, and so the teacher asked him about his father.

"My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men."

The teacher hurriedly sent the other children to work on some coloring and took little Johnny aside to ask him...

"Is that really true about your father working in a gay strip club?"

"No" said Johnny, "he really plays for the Dallas Cowboys but I was too embarrassed to say it."

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;702264]More DC drama lol. Role the dice and say Jansen. I am loving this off season of the Skins with an overpaid DT, HGH druggie, oline issues are still very real, who does McNabb throw too???, picking up players with a history of domestic violence issues come on Larry Johnson seriously. I think you all have lost any say about Dallas and there issue players from the 90's.[/quote]

Yeah too bad we dont have Fred-EX and Todd Pinkston for McNabb to throw to........ yes that is sarcasm you sense.

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[url=http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/2008/10/video_of_the_week_cowboys_fans.php]Video of the Week: Cowboys Fans Are Retarded - Dallas Sports - Sportatorium[/url]

:doh: Is stupidity required to be a Cowgirls fan or is it just preferred?

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I still say its Mike Sellers...

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;702264]More DC drama lol. Role the dice and say Jansen. I am loving this off season of the Skins with an overpaid DT, HGH druggie, oline issues are still very real, who does McNabb throw too???, picking up players with a history of domestic violence issues come on Larry Johnson seriously. I think you all have lost any say about Dallas and there issue players from the 90's.[/quote]

Jansen wasn't here last year :doh:

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Coincidence that Moss is in the picture in this article?

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/19/AR2010051904697.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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RedskinsInsider

The Buffalo News reports that Santana Moss is the unnamed #Redskins player implicated in the Galea reports. #NFL

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Well Santana's name is all over Twitter. Given that the whole Cushing deal just happened, I'm curious to see what will happen.

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I know this is a major story that the Washington Post should cover, but 3 text messages in 5 minutes and however many tweets sure seems a bit of overkill.

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[quote=Ruhskins;702289]Well Santana's name is all over Twitter. Given that the whole Cushing deal just happened, I'm curious to see what will happen.[/quote]

It's something he's obviously going to have to deal with. I can understand his not wanting to comment publicly, but it would be interesting to know how he addressed the team and what he could possibly say knowing HGH is a BS.

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ESPN has confirmed that it is Santana Moss.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;702291]I know this is a major story that the Washington Post should cover, but 3 text messages in 5 minutes and however many tweets sure seems a bit of overkill.[/quote]

Seriously!!! LOL ... I think that's more texts than I got from the DC area when Sean Taylor passed away.

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Here is the Buffalo News story:[url=http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/05/20/1056021/nfl-name-emerges-in-doping-case.html]NFL name emerges in doping case with doctor : City & Region : The Buffalo News[/url]

[quote]Santana Moss, a wide receiver for the NFL’s Washington Redskins, is one of the professional athletes who allegedly received treatment from a Toronto physician charged Tuesday with smuggling muscle-building drugs into the United States, according to sources close to the case.

But at this point, federal prosecutors do not intend to file criminal charges against Moss or any other athlete who had dealings with the doctor.

That word came Wednesday afternoon from William J. Hochul Jr., U. S. attorney in Buffalo.

“At this juncture, any of the persons who are alleged to have used these substances are considered witnesses, and not targets, of this investigation,” Hochul told The Buffalo News.
...
His lawyers, including Mark J. Mahoney of Buffalo, denied the allegations of wrongdoing against the doctor. ...

“Officials of the NFL and other sports organizations can sleep soundly tonight, because there is nothing he did with these athletes to help them with performance enhancement,” Mahoney said Wednesday.

[B]“[Galea] strictly provided treatment for injuries. If any athlete got [human growth hormone], it was injected directly into injured tissue, in very small amounts, for purposes of healing.”

Agents questioned more than a dozen American athletes about the treatment they received from Galea, authorities said.
[/B]
...

Moss, 30, is not mentioned by name in court papers filed in Galea’s case on Tuesday, and the Redskins player is not charged with any crime.

An employee at the Miami Beach office of Moss’ agent, Drew Rosenhaus, declined to comment when contacted by The News.

“There won’t be any comment along those lines from Santana,” said the employee, who did not give his name.
...
Galea never obtained legal permission to work as a doctor or in any other capacity in the United States, according to a court affidavit filed by Justin J. Burnham, an agent with Immigration & Customs Enforcement.
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Galea’s then-assistant, Mary Anne Catalano, was arrested at the Peace Bridge last Sept. 14, and federal agents found banned drugs, syringes and other medical equipment in her vehicle, authorities said.

Authorities said Catalano was going to transport the drugs to Washington, where Galea was going to treat a pro football player.

Since her arrest, Catalano has cooperated with federal investigators with information about her boss and his treatment of athletes.[/quote]
I cut out alot, but thought these points were interesting

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;702264]More DC drama lol. Role the dice and say Jansen. I am loving this off season of the Skins with an overpaid DT, HGH druggie, oline issues are still very real, who does McNabb throw too???, picking up players with a history of domestic violence issues come on Larry Johnson seriously. I think you all have lost any say about Dallas and there issue players from the 90's.[/quote]

Im know your loving the tabloid stuff, but im sure your ass is worried about coming improved play on the field this year. McNabb, Shanny, improved schemes, and better talent on the field, thats all you need to think about as this season starts to wind up. Romo and Wade aint won sh*t yet and yall walking around with the your heads up your asses...your offensive line is gonna be in a world of hurt this up coming season, so you keep thinking yall gonna coast to the division title and laughing about meaningless offseason stories...

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[quote=mooby;702211]I think you have to look at how Goodell has handled other cases in the past to predict if 'Tana (if it is him) gets punished. Roethlisberger just got suspended 6 games even though no charges were filed. So I think it's safe to say if he gets implicated in this we can expect punishment on him in some way.[/quote]

true, but Rothlisberger didn't get any form of punishment until he had been accused of sexual assault - a far more serious crime - twice. i would say the average person is appauled when they hear about rape; however most people care alot less about a player allegedly taking a growth hormone to help recover from an injury. the two alleged offenses arent even in the same league. plus, the general media (not just espn, pft, etc) was all over the rothisberger cases. i doubt the possibility that tana took HGH results in more than a blip from major media outlets. i think santana would have to testify in court to taking HGH for the NFL to act. Either way, i can't imagine it being a particularly long suspension and he's not really a key player on our team, so i dont think it will really hurt us that much.

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Here's PFT's article...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/20/report-santana-moss-was-a-patient-of-dr-galea/]Report: Santana Moss was a patient of Dr. Galea | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;702264]More DC drama lol. [B]Role[/B] the dice and say Jansen. I am loving this off season of the Skins with an overpaid DT, HGH druggie, oline issues are still very real, who does McNabb throw [B]too[/B]???, picking up players with a history of domestic violence issues come on Larry Johnson seriously. I think you all have lost any say about Dallas and [B]there[/B] issue players from the 90's.[/quote]

left it at 3 though I could've picked some more. You apparently went to the same school as your 90s Cowboys.

And this isn't anywhere close to hauling bricks, sorry.

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[quote=SBXVII;702300]Here's PFT's article...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/20/report-santana-moss-was-a-patient-of-dr-galea/]Report: Santana Moss was a patient of Dr. Galea | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

And here's the ESPN article, in case folks want to avoid any smartass comments from Florio.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5204001]Report: Santana Moss of Washington Redskins got HGH from Galea - ESPN[/url]

Not a good move by Santana if indeed this is all true. Regardless of whether he's an important player or not, this is a going to be a pretty big distraction for the team (even bigger than the non-story related to certain defensive lineman that the media and bitter fans are keeping alive). I also wonder if he will be suspended. Also, are there other players involved in this?

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"Anonymous sources". You want to believe them, but can't fully commit. Doesn't look good for Moss though. Too strong a correlation.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;702310]"Anonymous sources". You want to believe them, but can't fully commit. Doesn't look good for Moss though. Too strong a correlation.[/quote]

Well not much the sources, but this interview that Moss had with Jason Reid just didn't look good. Like I said, if true, this doesn't look good for Santana.

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Can they suspend him if he did not test positive for it?

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[quote=dirtythirty;702313]Can they suspend him if he did not test positive for it?[/quote]

According to Reid he doesn't need to test positive. He cites the Rodney Harrison case where Harrison admitted to Goodell about using HGH. I don't think it'd be in Santana's interest to lie to Goodell about this, just fess up and take the punishment.