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Any ESPN Insiders here?

Word is [url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=5374109]NFL: Mike Wallace of the Pittsburgh Steelers looks to be 2010's top breakout player - ESPN[/url] has Justin Tryon listed as the 5th best prospect for this season, per Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders.

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5. Justin Tryon, CB, Washington Redskins
It's hard to make much of an impact in the Washington secondary. Over the past few years, no team has dedicated more resources to the defensive backfield -- both draft picks and free agent cash -- than the Redskins. Yet, while DeAngelo Hall allows countless completions and LaRon Landry overruns play after play, the team unearthed a bona fide starting corner in the fourth round of the 2008 draft. Tryon only started two games during his second year in the league, but he played like he belonged in the Millionaires' Club. According to the Football Outsiders game charting project, Tryon allowed 5.8 adjusted yards per attempt, nearly a half-yard better than any other Redskins corner. Despite spending time in the slot, Tryon didn't allow receivers to get open deep; passes at him were only thrown an average of 7.8 yards away from the line of scrimmage, the lowest figure -- by far -- among Redskins corners. He took Fred Smoot's job away during the year, and while he has to beat out Phillip Buchanon for the nickel job in camp (spoiler: he will), he may have Carlos Rogers' starting job in his back pocket by the end of the season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;712353]5. Justin Tryon, CB, Washington Redskins
It's hard to make much of an impact in the Washington secondary. Over the past few years, no team has dedicated more resources to the defensive backfield -- both draft picks and free agent cash -- than the Redskins. Yet, while DeAngelo Hall allows countless completions and LaRon Landry overruns play after play, the team unearthed a bona fide starting corner in the fourth round of the 2008 draft. Tryon only started two games during his second year in the league, but he played like he belonged in the Millionaires' Club. According to the Football Outsiders game charting project, Tryon allowed 5.8 adjusted yards per attempt, nearly a half-yard better than any other Redskins corner. Despite spending time in the slot, Tryon didn't allow receivers to get open deep; passes at him were only thrown an average of 7.8 yards away from the line of scrimmage, the lowest figure -- by far -- among Redskins corners. He took Fred Smoot's job away during the year, and while he has to beat out Phillip Buchanon for the nickel job in camp (spoiler: he will), he may have Carlos Rogers' starting job in his back pocket by the end of the season.[/quote]

a lot of promise there.. just seems a bit premature.. definitely wouldn't mind if it worked out that way

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[quote=tryfuhl;712354]a lot of promise there.. just seems a bit premature.. definitely wouldn't mind if it worked out that way[/quote]

Agreed. Of course this would be great, but I am not nearly as optimistic. Lets wait til these guys get into some pads and we can go from there.

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[url=http://www.theomfield.com/2010/07/2010-redskins-great-expectations.html#more]The Om Field: 2010 Redskins: Great Expectations?[/url]

Something else to discuss. 15 days till Training Camp opens.

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Oh yeah.. football is so close.

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[quote=johno;712370]Agreed. Of course this would be great, but I am not nearly as optimistic. Lets wait til these guys get into some pads and we can go from there.[/quote]

Yeah it seems like the small amount of stats available lead him to being a pretty solid nickel. Though I guess the talk about Carlos has more to do with Carlos' play than Tryon being worthy of the number 1 or 2 spot.

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[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?page=FootballOutsiders2010OrganizationalRankings&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fpage%3dFootballOutsiders2010OrganizationalRankings"]FBO: 2010 Organizational Rankings[/URL]

Not a great article for us about NFL organizational rankings.

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well some of that is carryover from the last regime.. and having the youngest team doesn't necessarily make you a contender.. the oldest team last year won the big game.. not that being old is what you aim for or anything. As far as young "stars" go they're right that we don't have much in that regard. They mention H.B. Blades whom is almost 26 so in that same regard, though only 26 by a couple of months Justin Tryon (named to their top 5 prospect list this year) is worthy of being mentioned in the same case, just not by the strictly defined standard of age.

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Wow...that would be awesome if Tryon broke through...just because it was so unexpected.

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I got hyped about him last offseason and he didn't do much of anything so I don't see the attraction to him this year. Don't get me wrong i would love a surprise out of the kid. If he can take over for Carlos at the end of the year that would be awesome!

What are the Football Outsiders rate of being correct about thier projections?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;712434]

What are the Football Outsiders rate of being correct about thier projections?[/quote]

[IMG]http://imageftw.com/uploads/20100714/bat-signal.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=tryfuhl;712438][IMG]http://imageftw.com/uploads/20100714/bat-signal.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh man, this is too funny!

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lmao... [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/15/deangelo-hall-packers-assistant-listed-as-tax-delinquents/]DeAngelo Hall, Packers assistant listed as tax delinquents | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

doesn't he have someone to take care of this? lol

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[quote=tryfuhl;712485][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/15/deangelo-hall-packers-assistant-listed-as-tax-delinquents/]DeAngelo Hall, Packers assistant listed as tax delinquents | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

doesn't he have someone to take care of this? lol[/quote]


The amount they owe is pennies to them.

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[quote=SkinzWin;712382][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?page=FootballOutsiders2010OrganizationalRankings&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fpage%3dFootballOutsiders2010OrganizationalRankings"]FBO: 2010 Organizational Rankings[/URL]

Not a great article for us about NFL organizational rankings.[/quote]

What a crock. Allen and Shanahan both have very successful track records and have made great moves so far. Snyder has stepped away from football decisions, which was the main complaint about him. Simply firing Vinny should have moved us up a ton of spots.

Dallas fan write this?

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Hmmm. I'm thinking that August and Preseason football is almost here. Hellz yeah!

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[quote=Buster;712543]What a crock. Allen and Shanahan both have very successful track records and have made great moves so far. Snyder has stepped away from football decisions, which was the main complaint about him. Simply firing Vinny should have moved us up a ton of spots.

Dallas fan write this?[/quote]

Football Outsiders wrote it and it was on ESPN's website as an insiders article. There's a new thread about it now with the whole article.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/7/15/1571702/redskins-need-to-cut-2-players#storyjump]Redskins Need to Cut 2 Players Before Camp - Hogs Haven[/url]

Who do you think it will be?

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I'm realistically optimistic. So I would call us a border line playoff team, fighting for the final wild card spot. But I do think we have enough talent to leap frog Dallas and the Giants. So us winning the division isn't impossible.

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[quote=SmootSmack;712353]5. Justin Tryon, CB, Washington Redskins
It's hard to make much of an impact in the Washington secondary. Over the past few years, no team has dedicated more resources to the defensive backfield -- both draft picks and free agent cash -- than the Redskins. Yet, while DeAngelo Hall allows countless completions and LaRon Landry overruns play after play, the team unearthed a bona fide starting corner in the fourth round of the 2008 draft. Tryon only started two games during his second year in the league, but he played like he belonged in the Millionaires' Club. According to the Football Outsiders game charting project, Tryon allowed 5.8 adjusted yards per attempt, nearly a half-yard better than any other Redskins corner. Despite spending time in the slot, Tryon didn't allow receivers to get open deep; passes at him were only thrown an average of 7.8 yards away from the line of scrimmage, the lowest figure -- by far -- among Redskins corners. He took Fred Smoot's job away during the year, and while he has to beat out Phillip Buchanon for the nickel job in camp (spoiler: he will), he may have Carlos Rogers' starting job in his back pocket by the end of the season.[/quote]

Oh I just came into this thread. You can go ahead and close that new thread I just posted on the topic then if you want to keep it in here.

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[quote=mooby;712846]Oh I just came into this thread. You can go ahead and close that new thread I just posted on the topic then if you want to keep it in here.[/quote]

It's cool, at some point we're going to close this "Never Ending Thread-Part 2" we've got going here

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/18/randle-el-dan-snyder-held-jim-zorn-back/]Randle El: Dan Snyder held Jim Zorn back | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

It was as we thought.

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I don't know much about that article. It was pretty weak with out much info. I would like to delve into some of El's comments with a more thought out and better developed list of questions about the subject. I imagine things were crazy with Zorn and all the cooks in the kitchen, but I would like a little more info from him other than a pft 2 paragraph blurb about Dan Synder.

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I really don't care anymore Zorn's gone MS is here so in the end it was a good thing IMO. Just saw the story thought i'd post it. Most of these reporters know TC is about to open don't want to bad mouth a team to bad might want a story or an exclusive.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/7/18/1575337/skins-should-show-some-love#storyjump]Skins Should Show Some Love Towards Texan's Steve Slaton - Hogs Haven[/url]

Got to find things to discuss, 11 days till Training Camp, got to get rid of that 4-12 stench.

HTTR.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/7/16/1572852/discovering-the-redskins-3-4]Discovering the Redskins' 3-4 Identity - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;712948][URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/7/18/1575337/skins-should-show-some-love#storyjump"]Skins Should Show Some Love Towards Texan's Steve Slaton - Hogs Haven[/URL]

Got to find things to discuss, 11 days till Training Camp, got to get rid of that 4-12 stench.

HTTR.[/quote]


I would like to see the skins take a run at Steve. I am a WVU fan, but more importantly I always felt that Steve had a similar skill set to CP and would be successful with the Skins. I would think if anyone in the NFL knew just how good he can be used in our offense I would think it would be Kyle.

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Adam_Schefter

Back in 2005, no 1st round picks had signed by July 20; only eight were under contract by July 30. So hold on -- some holdouts coming.

6 minutes ago via web

Any predictions on who will sign first, who will sign last, and when TW will sign?

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With CBA uncertainty I have a feeling there will be alot of holdouts. Trying to get paid just in case of any changes coming along.

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I hope Dez Bryant holds out, ala Crabtree. I also expect Tebow to be an early signing. I imagine a lot of 2nd round signings to happen over the next few days. But there sure doesn't seem like a lot of time left until TC starts for a lot of teams.

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That's the one good thing we have going for us, we only have a 1st rd pick to sign IMO.

HTTR.

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Brett Favre agent calls him a diva. I cant post the link just google Brett Favres agent and you'll see it.

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I would think that Bus Cook is now Brett farve's ex-agent at this point.

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^Bus Cook is like Favre's dad. They have a close relationship spanning many years. Favre may be pissed but that is about as far as that likely will go.

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favre is a woman, go figure

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I understand they have a close relationship, but the to release a public statement bashing your own client is a riduculous and a fireable offense. It is a business and although Bus may be like a father to the guy he shouldn't come out and say what alot of people say about him pubicly. He can say all he wants to his face but to say it out in the open and have the statement read on Sportscenter with all of the expletives bleeped out is bad judgement by Mr. Cook,

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;713325]I understand they have a close relationship, but the to release a public statement bashing your own client is a riduculous and a fireable offense. It is a business and although Bus may be like a father to the guy he shouldn't come out and say what alot of people say about him pubicly. He can say all he wants to his face but to say it out in the open and have the statement read on Sportscenter with all of the expletives bleeped out is bad judgement by Mr. Cook,[/quote]

I don't think it was a public statement. It was part of an interview he had with Men's Journal. Wouldn't surprise me if at some point Bus says he thought it was off the record, or something like that

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;713143]I would like to see the skins take a run at Steve. I am a WVU fan, but more importantly I always felt that Steve had a similar skill set to CP and would be successful with the Skins. I would think if anyone in the NFL knew just how good he can be used in our offense I would think it would be Kyle.[/quote]

I like Slaton as a player but if we could grab just one Texans running back, I would like us to get Arian Foster. He majored in Philosophy at Tennessee. How many major college football players major in Philosophy? I like him just for that.