re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Defensewins;711945]T.O. was interviewed on a local (Houston) radio station this morning for a good 15 minutes or so and he sounds really together and well mentally. At least he [B]sounds[/B] that way. I guess I have never really listened to him for that long, but he seems mature and well for a guy that has a little history of acting out or instability.
Maybe he has matured a bit over time.
I am becoming more interested in him as a possible Redskin, at least I am warming to the idea.[/quote]
Every used car looks and [B]sounds[/B] good on the lot when its for sale.

Its not until you get it home and then the wheels start to come off.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Yes, let's "stop the madness" and ditch the notion of signing yet one more over-the-hill player that wants Fort Knox money and one that is also a freakin’ head case. Have you all not gotten sick and tired of the daisy-chain method of filling the Redskins roster?? How many more times will it take for everyone to realize that peeps like T.O. seldom work out well for the ‘Skins. Enough of this crazy talk already…jeeze.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;711976]Yes, let's "stop the madness" and ditch the notion of signing yet one more over-the-hill player that wants Fort Knox money and one that is also a freakin’ head case. Have you all not gotten sick and tired of the daisy-chain method of filling the Redskins roster?? How many more times will it take for everyone to realize that peeps like T.O. seldom work out well for the ‘Skins. Enough of this crazy talk already…jeeze.[/quote]


Everybody knows that the gold isn't at Ft. Knox anymore.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

T.O. would not be here to be the number 1 option, he is however a person that will push competition for the better. I want him here at the right price.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;711976]Yes, let's "stop the madness" and ditch the notion of signing yet one more over-the-hill player that wants Fort Knox money and one that is also a freakin’ head case. Have you all not gotten sick and tired of the daisy-chain method of filling the Redskins roster?? How many more times will it take for everyone to realize that peeps like T.O. seldom work out well for the ‘Skins. Enough of this crazy talk already…jeeze.[/quote]

It's a new start, a new decade and a new era. Both MS and BA have had some degree of success in the past bringing various types of players in. So, let's give the FO of BA/MS a clean slate and let them bring in who they want. It is just as bull headed to say "how many more times..." when this FO hasn't brought in peeps like TO to the Skins before.

And a side note, Mike Shanahan will bring in more than his share of peeps like TO if his Denver Days are any road map.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;711981]It's a new start, a new decade and a new era. Both MS and BA have had some degree of success in the past bringing various types of players in. So, let's give the FO of BA/MS a clean slate and let them bring in who they want. It is just as bull headed to say "how many more times..." when this FO hasn't brought in peeps like TO to the Skins before.

And a side note, Mike Shanahan will bring in more than his share of peeps like TO if his Denver Days are any road map.[/quote]

Maybe so, but we've had new regimes before and everybody said it would be different. Until we take the field and change the previous culture that practically ruined a proud franchise, I'll stick to my guns in resisting the likes of T.O. In response to your side note, I hope you're wrong as it will only prove that the team as a whole has learned absolutely nothing from past mistakes.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;711982]Maybe so, but we've had new regimes before and everybody said it would be different. Until we take the field and change the previous culture that practically ruined a proud franchise, I'll stick to my guns in resisting the likes of T.O. In response to your side note, I hope you're wrong as it will only prove that the team as a whole has learned absolutely nothing from past mistakes.[/quote]

How would bringing TO in for a 1 year vet minimum deal be repeating the mistakes of the past? a mistake of the past would be bringing him in for a 5 year 50 million dollar deal

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;711987]How would bringing TO in for a 1 year vet minimum deal be repeating the mistakes of the past? a mistake of the past would be bringing him in for a 5 year 50 million dollar deal[/quote]

Not so much the money if he can be had for a vet min., but bringing in yet another once great player that is a locker room cancer. Look, it's not that difficult to understand. This team has signed guys in the past that were great...[I]for other teams[/I]. When they get here, they cash their check and it's all over. It amazes me how so many forget what they said about T.O. when he melted down in Philly and how he became a distraction in Dallas. You all hated him. But if he can be had for the vet min., oh lets get him, he'll behave here. I hope that our new coach and FO get it right this time and leave morons like T.O. alone, and rid the team of current morons like AH.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Stop the Madness? If T.O. comes there will be nothing but madness

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

LMAO... We would be one of the biggest sports stories of the NFL season if TO becomes a Skin. DM and TO again would dominate the headlines and the Eagles and Cowboys games would be hyped beyond all recognition, and this team if we win would draw huge national ratings and allow me to catch more games without leaving my newborn and finace at home to go watch!

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Anyone else see this?

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15505/redskins-have-leagues-oldest-roster]Redskins have league's oldest roster - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

You SURE you want to sign a 36 year old WR?

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

He is a great WR. But it is his off the field behavior and demeanor that gets to both the players and the fans. That is a red flag.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;712008]Anyone else see this?

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15505/redskins-have-leagues-oldest-roster"]Redskins have league's oldest roster - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/URL]

You SURE you want to sign a 36 year old WR?[/quote]


The 2 oldest teams last year were in the Super Bowl. The Saints were the oldest and won. I would not read to much into it.

We all know the Colts have played for a long time together, but the Saints have roster turn over every year. They add veterans on a cosistent basis each offseason.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Still not into to sigining the guy. Just wanted to make a couple of points is all.

I would root for him though, as I am a Skins fan above all else.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;712008]Anyone else see this?

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15505/redskins-have-leagues-oldest-roster]Redskins have league's oldest roster - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

You SURE you want to sign a 36 year old WR?[/quote]

I never let football get in the way of my math yo!

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

LOL, math is ruining the game of football.

We have a whole thread going based off three sets of numbers.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;712008]Anyone else see this?

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15505/redskins-have-leagues-oldest-roster]Redskins have league's oldest roster - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

You SURE you want to sign a 36 year old WR?[/quote]

Roster stacked with veterans but mostly the kind of vets that haven't peaked.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;711997]Stop the Madness? If T.O. comes there will be nothing but madness[/quote]

It's amazing to me how opinions on T.O. continue to change. Just a short while ago when he was two, maybe three yrs. younger than he is now, was discussed here at length about the possibility of coming here to play. With the exception of a precious few the overwhelming majority took a pass.

It's obvious our young receivers have been struggling to some extent, if help is truly needed we should look at any/other possibilities. My opinion has not changed since the last time we discussed T.O.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

A couple of years ago was when TO was still in his Eagles blow up aftermath, and the crying about Romo being his QB fans of the Skins were not to into bringing in a head case. It was never his on field talents it was all of his locker room nonsense. Also the circus that comes with him

I don't care if we get him. If MS feels he can help us win as we go through training camp I will root for him just as I root for all of our beloved Skins.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Whatever the FO agrees is best I'll go with that. Please understand if DMc wanted TO, he would be here trust me DMc voice carries weight.

HTTR.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe there is no evidence that the Redskins are showing any interest in this guy. I really don't think this is gunna happen....good thing...the guy is a psycho....I remember that video of him crying as a cowboy after losing in the playoffs to the Giants and we all LOVED EVERY BIT OF IT!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNO6On7cK1M]YouTube - Terrell Owens crying!![/url]

I dont want this guy...he is highly instable.
I dont care what you guys say about him being a "model citizen" for one year...lots of people do that on parole too ya know....it doesn't make them suddenly law abiding citizens. Kinda like, once a cheater, always a cheater....same can be said of the self centered. It is rare someones character changes, it usually takes an act of God.
It is possible but odds are 1 in 100 that someone has a true shift as substantial as what we would be hoping for.

Think of it this way....
If we get this guy...he will be an older, weaker, slower version of what was in Dallas and Philly and every bit of himself that he has always been. If anything, he'd probably be more prone to emotional outburst of depression and anger since he will realize he is a shell of what once was. I don't know if the skins have a psychoanalyst on staff...but if we get this guy, he sure will be busy.

I'd rather have less talent than a potential basket case on the team.
And obviously, 32 GM's out of 32 happen to agree with me at this point

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Skinz... I think you may be being a bit harsh and over analyzing TO. I get it, but the guy is not that bad..... hmmmm.... well the whole doing pushups in his front yard was a little crazy.

I will never forget that scene. It was a little surreal.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;712237]Skinz... I think you may be being a bit harsh and over analyzing TO. I get it, but the guy is not that bad..... hmmmm.... well the whole doing pushups in his front yard was a little crazy.

I will never forget that scene. It was a little surreal.[/quote]
wasn't it crunches?

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Ahhh yes, crunches, how could I forget. Push ups would make it much harder for him to conduct an interview. :)

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Latest rumors have him goin to new England. Wow

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Meks;712506]Latest rumors have him goin to new England. Wow[/quote]

Yeah, a rumor that he basically started himself. He said he's open to playing there. That's about all there is to that.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

The only team Owens has publically stated he will NOT play for is the Chiefs. No secret that there is no love loss between he and the KC head coach Todd Haley.

Those bridges were burnt when Haley was the WR coach in Dallas.

Thing is Owens is looking for something in the neighborhood of 5 mil per year. And any team that signs him now that will pay that amount would be a team that loses a starter to injury during camp/preseason.

Owens will look to be a #1 or #2 WR. He won't sign to be further on the depth chart then that.

The 3-4-5 WR will be expected to contribute on Special Teams, and that is something Owens will not agree to do.

And Owens said that about joining the Patriots on a BOSTON radio station. What did anyone expect him to say on a Boston radio station? But lets be real for a minute. In order for Owens to play in New England, he would have to unseat either Randy Moss or Wes Welker from their positions.

Does anyone realistically see that happening? Methinks not.

Owens will get a job when there is a significant injury to a starting WR somewhere in the NFL. Untill then, all the radio appearances, and interviews we have suddenly been seeing is simply Owens agent trying to market him with training camps only a week or two away.

Thats all these appearances are, "T.O. informercials". Now his agent will just wait by that 1-800 number and see who calls.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/07/shanahan_reaffirms_redskins_do.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Shanahan reaffirms: Redskins won't pursue Terrell Owens[/url]

Hopefully we can put this to rest now

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Mattyk;712624][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/07/shanahan_reaffirms_redskins_do.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Shanahan reaffirms: Redskins won't pursue Terrell Owens[/url]

Hopefully we can put this to rest now[/quote]

Thanks Matty....or thank goodness!!

I vote that we close this thread now...unless you think folks need to further vent

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

I'll second closing the thread. If for some reason he signs with the Skins we can start a TO signs thread if not lets put it to bed.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

I won't lose any sleep if it remains open but it appears there's not much to speak on at the moment.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

SSDD.

#1- Thomas and Kelly don't step it up a bit T.O. will get looked at.
#2- [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/14/to-bats-his-eyelashes-at-the-pats/]T.O. bats his eyelashes at the Pats | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

So for those who said T.O. didn't say he'd like to play for the Pats.... eat your words:)

#3- No T.O. does not play special teams, but he doesn't have to since Thomas does. Kelly should be on the list of playing special teams also. Does Moss play ST's? I don't think so. I could be wrong.

#4- I'm betting if T.O.'s price comes down and whatever other demands he's asking plus Thomas and Kelly lay an egg or don't live up to their billing we will see T.O. no matter what Shanahan has said recently or in the past.

If you all want to dismiss him now fine. It sure didn't look like the coach's were too happy with whatever WR's we have now and to me T.O. is still a possibility due to that. He may never make the team... fine as long as someone we have now shines but the coach's just didn't seem too impressed.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

I don't recall anyone claiming that TO never said he wants to play for the Pats...and yes Moss plays teams

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Outside of a serious injury I think we're set with our WR group.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

I heard TO on an interview yesterday on a local sports show. It was obvious he would say he wanted to play for Genghis Khan if it would lead to a paying gig.......

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Hog1;712714]I heard TO on an interview yesterday on a local sports show. It was obvious he would say he wanted to play for Genghis Khan if it would lead to a paying gig.......[/quote]

I think he's getting to the point where he's embarrassed that nobody has picked him up yet. He doesn't seem to understand that his reputation is finally overshadowing his skill set. Fair or not, that's his reality right now. It's going to take an injury in camp or him seriously lowering his asking price, to get him in a uniform.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

[quote=Mattyk;712717]I think he's getting to the point where he's embarrassed that nobody has picked him up yet. He doesn't seem to understand that his reputation is finally overshadowing his skill set. Fair or not, that's his reality right now. It's going to take [B]an injury in camp or him seriously lowering his asking price, to get him in a uniform[/B].[/quote]
I think he will get a job when the those two things happen and he will take less..........quietly

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

I think it still remains fact that T.O. is a Cancer on any team he plays for. True, we didn't hear much from him this past season, but how much do we ever hear coming from the Buffalo camp anyway? A leopard doesn't change his spots. I think we have the potential of having a good wide receiving corp this year, but certainly Kelly and Thomas both have to pick up their game. And anyway, it isn't very often that receivers are all-stars their first year or two in the NFL. I realize it does happen, but certainly this year is make or break for those guys. I think we're good.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

Well, so much for the T.O rumor mill. Shanny put that to bed.

re: Stop the Madness, T.O. should be a skin (but he's not, he's a Bengal)
 

I agree, T.O and McNabb is a deadly combination. But Shanahan has repeatedly said he wants an disciplined team. The Redskins have strong leadership, Fletcher, McNabb, Daniels etc. So I think T.O would behave in our environment.