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[B]"One thing for sure that is clear to me is that Albert has gotten away in the past with playing without practicing,'' Shanahan said. "That will not happen under this regime. If he's going to play, he's going to practice, and that is the same with every player here. The days of him playing without practicing are over. And that, to me, says it all.'' [/B]

Someone should paste this on AH's locker.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;723030][B]"One thing for sure that is clear to me is that Albert has gotten away in the past with playing without practicing,'' Shanahan said. "That will not happen under this regime. If he's going to play, he's going to practice, and that is the same with every player here. The days of him playing without practicing are over. And that, to me, says it all.'' [/B]

Someone should paste this on AH's locker.[/quote]

That would be classic. I mean for God's sake all they're asking is that he participates in practice. Is that really so much to ask. You don't want to go to the offseason conditioning program, fine, pass this simple conditioning test and you can practice. You want to play in the game when the lights are on, and everyones all dressed up, great, go to practice.

He has not been asked to do anything extreme. I can even understand him wanting to stay out of practice after being sick. However don't complain when they tell you that they're going to either sit you out or work with the second team.

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I just wish he'd shut the hell up. I mean when has going to the media ever solved any problems? It just creates more. If he's got issues air them out in locker room, or with the coaches. He's a talented player but the argument seems to be is he worth it? That's not for me to determine because I'm not an NFL coach, but either way, he just needs to stay the f away from the media.

I might also add it may be wrong but I hope some team ends up with a glaring hole at 4-3 DT or 3-4 end and decides to trade for him so we can have a peaceful locker room. We may lose his talent but I doubt he was leaving it all on the table anyways.

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I have a question. What would have happened if the Redskins stayed playing the 4-3 defense? Would AH have been an issue? Shanahan would still have come down on AH for his lack of conditioning whether he played on a 3-4 or 4-3 Defense. The issue here is lack of practice time and conditioning.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;723041]I have a question. What would have happened if the Redskins stayed playing the 4-3 defense? Would AH have been an issue? Shanahan would still have come down on AH for his lack of conditioning whether he played on a 3-4 or 4-3 Defense. The issue here is lack of practice time and conditioning.[/quote]

Yeah probably. Sounds like Albert doesn't like the change in authority. He liked the relaxed atmosphere Zorn had and he is probably upset that we changed coaches without consulting how the players (aka him) felt about it.

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[quote=Lotus;723004]Rhabdomyolysis occurs when you work out in extreme heat without being in shape. Notice: without being in shape.

So AH's remarks, recontextualized, were: "Why did Shanny call it a headache when I have rhabdomyolysis, which you get from not being in shape. Why didn't he tell everyone that I'm out-of-shape? But I didn't have it so bad that I missed the game. So what I'll do is miss OTA's again next year and show up out-of-shape again - that will solve the problem."

Once again we see that arrogance is as stupid does.[/quote]

Exactly. I'm a doctor, so I love clearing up this medical stuff for you guys.

1) Rhabdo is the same thing as saying "muscle breakdown". It happens when you exert yourself to the extreme, and worse when you're dehydrated. Happens to marathon runners all the time. Here's the thing, I bet if you tested all those football players after a long day of practice, a bunch would have some minor muscle enzyme leakage in the blood. And you could say that they had some "muscle breakdown" or rhabdo. But I bet his amount of leakage was fairly small, and I'd bet his muscle enzyme levels are comparable to other players (who aren't complaining). But that's just a guess.

2) In the extreme, yes, it can affect the kidney. I'm certain Haynesworth was NOWHERE CLOSE to affecting his kidneys. His kidneys are completely normal and fine, trust me.


In the end, Haynesworth probably did have rhabdo (muscle breakdown). He muscles did probably hurt all over. But if he was in better shape (and well hydrated), this probably would not have happened. And he's trying to use this to blame his problems on someone else.

To the point, it may be time to start thinking about cutting him before he starts eating away at this team.

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[quote=mooby;723049]Yeah probably. Sounds like Albert doesn't like the change in authority. He liked the relaxed atmosphere Zorn had and he is probably upset that we changed coaches without consulting how the players (aka him) felt about it.[/quote]

I remember Baugh or someone saying Redskin Park turned into Club Med under Norv, but it seemed to have stayed that way til Shanny came, with maybe the exception of 2001 under Schotty. My beef with AH is he made a media spectacle over this. He needed to talk to the coaches with his concern over the 3-4 scheme change and understand he was in their plans, instead he balked about it publicly and for a prolonged period of time. This headache stuff might be legit, but damn, he blows up publicly about it. It is just a cover for his laziness anymore.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;723059]I remember Baugh or someone saying Redskin Park turned into Club Med under Norv, but it seemed to have stayed that way til Shanny came, with maybe the exception of 2001 under Schotty. My beef with AH is he made a media spectacle over this. He needed to talk to the coaches with his concern over the 3-4 scheme change and understand he was in their plans, instead he balked about it publicly and for a prolonged period of time. This headache stuff might be legit, but damn, he blows up publicly about it. It is just a cover for his laziness anymore.[/quote]

Shanny's camp to me feels like a mix of Club Med and Med school. Like they're easy enough to help prevent any unnecessary wear and tear but at the same time they require a lot of discipline, focus, and execution. Schottenheimer and Gibbs easily ran the toughest camps.

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[quote=ethat001;723057]Exactly. I'm a doctor, so I love clearing up this medical stuff for you guys.

1) Rhabdo is the same thing as saying "muscle breakdown". It happens when you exert yourself to the extreme, and worse when you're dehydrated. Happens to marathon runners all the time. Here's the thing, I bet if you tested all those football players after a long day of practice, a bunch would have some minor muscle enzyme leakage in the blood. And you could say that they had some "muscle breakdown" or rhabdo. But I bet his amount of leakage was fairly small, and I'd bet his muscle enzyme levels are comparable to other players (who aren't complaining). But that's just a guess.

2) In the extreme, yes, it can affect the kidney. I'm certain Haynesworth was NOWHERE CLOSE to affecting his kidneys. His kidneys are completely normal and fine, trust me.


In the end, Haynesworth probably did have rhabdo (muscle breakdown). He muscles did probably hurt all over. But if he was in better shape (and well hydrated), this probably would not have happened. And he's trying to use this to blame his problems on someone else.

To the point, it may be time to start thinking about cutting him before he starts eating away at this team.[/quote]

Nice. Good post. Thanks for the info Doc. Good to have a resident physician around. I had never heard of rhabdo before today, but after reading into it, you pretty much confirm what I found. It's a fancy way of saying muscle breakdown, and can be avoided if you drink plenty of fluids and are in shape for the task at hand.

The release of this whole rhabdo thing only makes him look worse, not better. He was so poorly hydrated and so unprepared for practice that he developed this issue after 10 minutes on the field earlier in the week? LOL.

What's funny is the team/Shanny said they had no idea about this rhabdo, which tells me that maybe someone in Al's camp floated this to make him maybe look better... ooops.

Just go away Albert. You're not gonna win this war. Your wallet may look fatter than your belly, but unless you toe Shanahan's line, you're gonna part ways with this organization looking every bit like the uber-douche you are.

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I've had rhabdo before due to overtraining in the gym. Shit totally sucked. Something tells me that his wasn't caused by the same thing.

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I hope I'm never within arm's reach of this guy. Too many people want something for nothing.

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[quote=Defensewins;722947]I am not sure if he is worth it. Much less am I saying because he defends teamates he is worth it.
My only point is in my opinion some of you guys in an attempt to be funny [B]incorrectly[/B] threw around the word pussy and I am just trying to point it out.
Haynesworth being a selfish ass and letting his teammates and fans down is many negative things. But pussy is not the right word. That is all. A pussy is someone who backs down from a fight because he is afraid. Not someone who runs into a fight to defend a friend and teamate.[/quote]

I was the one who called Haynesworth a pussy. I was not trying to be funny. I was trying to accurately describe my feelings toward him. I'm satisfied with it.

When I saw that SS had started this thread, and closed all other Haynesworth threads, in an effort to instill more civility I was a little confused since I didn't notice anyone taking the issue personally. It appears that I have offended you by calling Haynesworth a pussy, and for that I am sorry.

I will say that we differ in our opinions of what makes a pussy. Just because a guy plays the macho tough-guy act does not mean he is not a pussy. I don't respect machismo. To me a pussy is a guy who has no mental fortitude. A guy who cannot persevere. A guy with no self-discipline. That guy is Albert Haynesworth.

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[quote=dblanch66;722952][B]This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world.[/B] None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.[/quote]

THANK YOU. Doubt those old legends would be defending him, and saying, "Oh but he's a tough guy who stands up for his teammates." What a freaking joke.

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On Big Al I heard she is feeling better & she will play next week.

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[quote=Mechanix544;722953]"Stupidest thing ever said on this board"

- [B]I know he is a pain in our ass, but cut arguably the best DT in the entire league?????? [/B]

[B]Talk about fvckin foolish.[/B]

And Defensewins. Did you need 6 straight posts in a row to get your point across? LOL. Brainstorm, THEN post. Get it all together, THEN post!!!!![/quote]

you're an idiot. i never said that.

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I would just like to say that I'm tired of the "arguably best DT in the league" nonsense. AH is not even close to the best DT in the league, unless you don't value things like: teamwork, commitment, and discipline. It's sad that the absence of those qualities doesn't seem to affect how people rank him among his peers. He's still at the top, even though he can't function on any team, and you can't count on him for anything.

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AH just doesn't get it, and it's obvious he never will.

What annoys me most about all this is he's a constant reminder of what's been ailing this franchise since Snyder took over. It's unbelievable that after all the bad moves that have come through Redskins Park, we're sitting here today talking about perhaps the worst of one of them all.

I just don't see where he's worth the trouble. Trade him for anything you can get. I don't care if it's only a 7th rounder. And if it comes down to it, I would seriously considering cutting him.

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you're an idiot. i never said that. vvvvvvvvvvvvv

[quote=skinsfan69;722889][B][I][U]I just think it's time to move on and we should cut the guy.[/U][/I][/B] He's really not that good of a player and the defense played well w/out him last year. They seemed to play very well w/out him last night. We've got a new regime here and he doesn't fit well with the new staff. Enough of this bullshit drama. [B][I][U]Just cut his lazy crybaby ass.[/quote][/U][/I][/B]

So, thats not what you said???? I'm an idiot? Know what comes out of your cock holster before blasting me for being an idiot.:tongue

On another note, I just think cutting him without ANY compensation is dumb. It might happen, but I sure hope it doesn't. He IS a good talent, and at this point, I hope we could get at least a 3rd rounder for him, or a decent WR. I think that the teams willing to offer that up are few and far between tho, so here is to hopin'.

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[quote=Mechanix544;723111]lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
you're an idiot. i never said that. vvvvvvvvvvvvv

[/U][/I][/B]

So, thats not what you said???? I'm an idiot? Know what comes out of your cock holster before blasting me for being an idiot.:tongue

On another note, I just think cutting him without ANY compensation is dumb. It might happen, but I sure hope it doesn't. He IS a good talent, and at this point, I hope we could get at least a 3rd rounder for him, or a decent WR. I think that the teams willing to offer that up are few and far between tho, so here is to hopin'.[/quote]


Yes that is what I said. I though you said that I thought he was the best DT in the league..whatever mis understanding. Bottom line is he is not the best DT in the league. Not even close and when he's not on the field there is not a drop off. Cut our losses and time to move on.

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Fat Albert is a prim a dona. His attitude and work ethic is the cancer that the new regime is trying to kill. I'm in Shanny's corner. Fat Albert is too good of a player to just let walk, but he has to be a professional. A professional takes his job seriously and puts the work in. Fat Albert is a product of the times. He has this sense of entitlement but doesn't have the work ethic. This is an internal team problem. It's time for the veteran leadership to pull Fat Albert over to the side and find out is he with the team or is he going to be a sideshow. If is going to continue to be a sideshow, the team needs to send him packing. I've yet to see this so called "Best Defense Tackle in the Game" perform for a complete game. His fat ass needs to get with the program.

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[quote=skinsfan69;723112]Yes that is what I said. I though you said that I thought he was the best DT in the league..whatever mis understanding. Bottom line is he is not the best DT in the league. Not even close and when he's not on the field there is not a drop off. Cut our losses and time to move on.[/quote]

Look, I know that everyone wants to take the hardline on this malcontent, and I understand that. But remember this..............

-Over 45 million dollars........repeat, 45 million dollars. What a tough pill to swallow, even for the free spending Snyder.

-Marketability = ZERO. Obviously noone wants the guy, we have been More than dangling him around as trade bait, and not even a nibble.

-Talent = High. If, and this is a big IF, but IF Shanahan can get this guy to literally get with the program, and he could conceed just a little bit of ground and offer somewhat of an olive branch and just start over, the rewards could be sky high. Its all about ego, and if Shanahan is serious about a title, then doing it with Haynesworth will be alot easier.

A motivated and content Haynesworth is desirable, and if anyone can get him to play, its Shanahan.

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[quote=Mechanix544;723115]Look, I know that everyone wants to take the hardline on this malcontent, and I understand that. But remember this..............

-Over 45 million dollars........repeat, 45 million dollars. What a tough pill to swallow, even for the free spending Snyder.

-Marketability = ZERO. Obviously noone wants the guy, we have been More than dangling him around as trade bait, and not even a nibble.

-Talent = High. If, and this is a big IF, but IF Shanahan can get this guy to literally get with the program, and he could conceed just a little bit of ground and offer somewhat of an olive branch and just start over, the rewards could be sky high. Its all about ego, and if Shanahan is serious about a title, then doing it with Haynesworth will be alot easier.

A motivated and content Haynesworth is desirable, and if anyone can get him to play, its Shanahan.[/quote]

I think your 2nd and 3rd points are the most relevant. I still wish we could have done a three way deal with seattle and sd but AH has pretty much ruined his value in this league. As for the money, tough patooties to Snyder. He signed the contract (albeit in good faith) and if he has to write it off then that's that, that's part of the cost of getting this franchise headed in the new (hopefully right) direction. After Saturday's speech by AH, I doubt there is any reconciliation with MS possible. And MS didn't leave any doubt or wiggle room for AH to go through this season half-assing it as he has been accused of doing in the past.

Somebody, maybe Fletcher?, needs to take AH out and tell him he needs to shut up, get with the program, and help this team win. If it hasn't happened yet, I doubt it will going forward.

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At this point I have zero faith that AH will just miraculously come around, fall in line, and get with the program. He's already saying he's going to be a no-show for next year's offseason program. He is what he is, a turd.

As much as it would hurt to cut him outright, I would rather go that route than let him continue to be a distraction in the locker room. Sometimes you just have to own up to a bad decision and cut your losses.

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This makes Shanahan look like a bitch for letting Albert trash him and the rest of the team, and MS not doing anything about it.

Jim Zorn let people walk all over him, especially CP, but now it looks like its the same old same old....

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Shanahan will have the last laugh. Guaranteed.

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I sure hope so. Thats what the team needs is a strict coach. Joe Gibbs wouldnt yell, Jim Zorn had no balls, and hopefully Mike Shanahan is the guy to not fool around with.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;723123]This makes Shanahan look like a bitch for letting Albert trash him and the rest of the team, and MS not doing anything about it.

Jim Zorn let people walk all over him, especially CP, but now it looks like its the same old same old....[/quote]

Well, to be fair, Shanahan came out Sunday and drew the line in the sand, no practice = no play. I don't see how anyone looks at MS and sees him not doing anything. If anything, I think you see AH's whining as proof that MS is not giving in to an impetuous player. The 2 main questions are, at what point does the shape up or ship out message sink in to AH? and if it doesn't can we get any compensation at all for him?

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If there is a silver lining...Shanny is handling this perfectly. He is really shaping this franchise and getting alot of respect in the locker room. His concept of team has come together and basically says if you dont buy in, we dont need you. That has been impressive and a long time coming with this franchise. I would love to get Danny Boy's pinion bout this.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;723130]Well, to be fair, Shanahan came out Sunday and drew the line in the sand, no practice = no play. I don't see how anyone looks at MS and sees him not doing anything. If anything, I think you see AH's whining as proof that MS is not giving in to an impetuous player. The 2 main questions are, at what point does the shape up or ship out message sink in to AH? and if it doesn't can we get any compensation at all for him?[/quote]

Agreed. MS isn't taking a backseat to anyone.

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[quote=Mattyk;723132]Agreed. MS isn't taking a backseat to anyone.[/quote]

Which is so rare for us, having a coach with testicles, even more a coach with testicles that isn't afraid to use em!!!!!

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[quote=Mechanix544;723115]Look, I know that everyone wants to take the hardline on this malcontent, and I understand that. But remember this..............

-Over 45 million dollars........repeat, 45 million dollars. What a tough pill to swallow, even for the free spending Snyder.

-Marketability = ZERO. Obviously noone wants the guy, we have been More than dangling him around as trade bait, and not even a nibble.

[B]-Talent = High.[/B] If, and this is a big IF, but IF Shanahan can get this guy to literally get with the program, and he could conceed just a little bit of ground and offer somewhat of an olive branch and just start over, the rewards could be sky high. Its all about ego, and if Shanahan is serious about a title, then doing it with Haynesworth will be alot easier.

A motivated and content Haynesworth is desirable, and if anyone can get him to play, its Shanahan.[/quote]

see this is where i think you're wrong. it doesn't matter how talented a guy is. if he's not motivated and doesn't take his profession seriously then so what? even players from other teams call the guy out for not playing hard. so to me he's just an average player who has talent but holds it hostage cause he's lazy.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;723119]I think your 2nd and 3rd points are the most relevant. I still wish we could have done a three way deal with seattle and sd but AH has pretty much ruined his value in this league.[B] As for the money, tough patooties to Snyder. He signed the contract (albeit in good faith) and if he has to write it off then that's that, that's part of the cost of getting this franchise headed in the new (hopefully right) direction.[/B] After Saturday's speech by AH, I doubt there is any reconciliation with MS possible. And MS didn't leave any doubt or wiggle room for AH to go through this season half-assing it as he has been accused of doing in the past.

Somebody, maybe Fletcher?, needs to take AH out and tell him he needs to shut up, get with the program, and help this team win. If it hasn't happened yet, I doubt it will going forward.[/quote]

Exactly! It's time to move on and just cut the guy and let him be a pain in the ass to someone else.

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CindyBoren

RT @JReidPost Fletcher and Haynesworth "had a good talk" Monday morning, Fletcher said. LF is convinced that Haynesworth is on board. 2 minutes ago via web

We will see...

my definition of a good talk would be along this line:
LF> Man, what was the BS you threw out Saturday, [insert hard knocks rex ryan language for a few minutes]. You gonna be on this team, or just one fat bump.

AH> Gotcha, you are right. No more excuses from me.

LF> Damn straight

My guess it went more like:
LF> Dude get your head straight
AH> uh huh
LF> You gonna be in this thing
AH> uh huh
etc etc

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Screw it, make is life so miserable that he is willing to give back the money to get out of his contract.

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I tried reading this thread but the word "pu$$y" was used so much half way though the thread I decided to go get me some.

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I don't know WHAT triggered it, but the only ad at the top of this thread for me says:


[SIZE="6"]PA Rivers a Toilet?[/SIZE]
Senator Specter, Penn. Rivers Shouldn’t be dirtier than a Toilet [url=http://www.cbf.org]Chesapeake Bay Foundation | Save the Bay[/url]

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Interesting commentary from players regarding Haynesworth this morning.

Read here:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2010/08/donovan_mcnabb_in_walking_boot.html?wpisrc=nl_sports]The Early Lead - Donovan McNabb in walking boot; Haynesworth declines comment[/url]

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I love it, someone tweets that he wishes things would be kept in house. OK, then don't freaking tweet.

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Never thought of it like that First! What irony...

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[quote=Buster;723188]I don't know WHAT triggered it, but the only ad at the top of this thread for me says:


[SIZE=6]PA Rivers a Toilet?[/SIZE]
Senator Specter, Penn. Rivers Shouldn’t be dirtier than a Toilet [URL="http://www.cbf.org"]Chesapeake Bay Foundation | Save the Bay[/URL][/quote]


That is some really nasty stuff. I hope they pass the Clean Water Act, because that is very disgusting. Click the link especially anyone who boats out there.

Back to the AH talk.