Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Obviously, Rice & T.O. have done alright after 32 due to their workout regimine & guess I'd give Randy Moss a pass for being a physical freak?

But...

Chris Carter - 4 straight 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Henry Ellard - 3 straight 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Jimmy Smith - 4 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Irving Fryar - 3 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Rod Smith - same as Fryar (I'm sure Shanahan remembers this guy)
Marvin Harrison - The same as Ellard
Donald Driver is STILL tearing it up - 3 straight 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Derrick Mason - The same as Driver... still doin it
Hines Ward - both years since 32 - over 1,000 yds
Issac Bruce - similar numbers to Monk
Torry Holt - 700+ yds the last 2 years
Steve Largent - 900+ yds for 2 seasons post-32
Andre Reed - 1,036/880/795 yds for 3 years after 32
Michael Irvin (we know how he took care of his body) - 1,000 yds at 32
Keyshawn Johnson - 3 800+ yd seasons post-32
James Lofton - had 1,00 yd season as 35 year-old
and our own Joey Galloway - 3 straight 1,000 yd seasons from age 34 to 36

From the little bit of research I've done, it seems every good receiver stays that way until about 35... then it's a wrap.

In the RIGHT SYSTEM... TJ Hoos-your-mamma could have a couple of productive seasons... Remember... the dude does have at least 900 yds receiving for 6 consecutive years now... I think we'd take 800 yds from him this year as a compliment WR... just saying.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;728381]We are set at WR for now. TJ is probably a Viking by tomorrow.[/quote]

FALSE. I think we would be set if we were in the UFL. Have not heard anything about TJ going to Vikes. Found this in another thread.

[quote=PHazard;728532]Donovan McNabb on easter weekend, Jammal Brown on Father's Day weekend, and here comes TJ Houshmandzadeh on Labor Day weekend!

From Twitter:

Former #Seahawks WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh's destination appears to be coming down to a choice between #Raiders and #Redskins.[/quote]

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

I basically look at it as TJ vs say.. Roydell Williams or so.. He'd be an upgrade over Roydell for probably at least a couple of years. He'll be a cheap addition if only for one year. My only problem is who will be cut to make the room for him (I'm guessing Roydell) and having possibly one more guy in front of say, Terrence Austin.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;728508]I know this will get debated fiercely... lol... but ...

Art Monk was 32 in 1989.

That year he caught 86 passes for 1,186 yards and 8 TDs

Two years later (our Super Bowl year - 1991) he caught 71 for 1,049 & 8 TDs.

By the way... I JUST turned 33 and don't consider myself "over the hill" ... a 32 year old is MORE than capable to produce in the right system... my opinion.[/quote]

Hail, I am 40 and I don't necessarily feel over the hill, but I am past my prime. I am in decent shape, but definitely can't do things I could 10 years ago. TJ might be a good pickup for say, a one or two year contract, but no more. Can't compare TJ with Monk either. Monk was a winner with an old school work ethic. From what I have read on NFL.com and Foxsports TJ sort of had an attitude before his release. Not saying he is a problem child, but he didn't go all out. I rather have a young kid trying to prove he belongs and is totally motivated.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

^ there's a reason why Seattle let him go, cmon it's not like their loaded at WR people. I hope a 1 year deal but honestly I wouldn't be shocke if he chose Oakland instead.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;728544]^ there's a reason why Seattle let him go, cmon it's not like their loaded at WR people. I hope a 1 year deal but honestly I wouldn't be shocke if he chose Oakland instead.[/quote]
because of the money.. and it's pete carroll

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;728537]Hail, I am 40 and I don't necessarily feel over the hill, but I am past my prime. I am in decent shape, but definitely can't do things I could 10 years ago. TJ might be a good pickup for say, a one or two year contract, but no more. Can't compare TJ with Monk either. Monk was a winner with an old school work ethic. From what I have read on NFL.com and Foxsports TJ sort of had an attitude before his release. Not saying he is a problem child, but he didn't go all out. I rather have a young kid trying to prove he belongs and is totally motivated.[/quote]

Gus, You did read the long list of receiver not named Monk I posted a little bit a ago and their post-32 numbers right? EVERY good receiver that I looked up was good until 35 or so.

Seattle is, in my opinion, being turned into what Carroll wants.. which is to get "his guys" in there.... Mike Williams is one of "his guys" and Housh and him didn't hit it off I understand... and why tie up the future cap space when the team is rebuilding?... hence the riff and the cut..

But clearly... everyone needs to understand the Housh has had 6 CONSECUTIVE seasons with 900 yards-plus... if one of our Skins had those kind of numbers he'd be the greatest receiver we've seen in almost 20 years.

Truthfyl, I'm not saying Housh is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but how the hell does someone compare ROYDELL WILLIAMS to him?? Huh?? lol ... the guy has 200 yards more in his CAREER than Housh had LAST year at age 32 (when he was beginning to fossilize!)

He'd be great for us this year and next IMO... he was the #1/#2 receiver with the Bengals... I think everyone has pigeon-holed him as a slot guy... but he can be a #2 just as well...

I don't see ANY negative here. Seattle is picking up the tab! lol .. I mean... 6 CONSECUTIVE 900 yard seasons for vet minimum?? lol ... I'll drop it now 'cause it's pointless to argue over it... but whew... Roydell Williams? I get your point... and agree that's funny

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

My point exactly. He's a clear upgrade over at least one guy as far as potential and several as far as production recently. My only comparison was really to show that he'd be the best guy to swap out if we brought in TJ.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

TJ to ravens good pick up for them. baltimore are strong at WR but weak at DB IMO.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;728634]TJ to ravens good pick up for them. baltimore are deep at WR but weak at DB IMO.[/quote]

Wow...Ravens are really stacked in WRs...the question is will their QB be able to throw to them? I think the Ravens offense might carry that team for a change.

Edit: where you getting your info from? I seen no mention of him going to the Ravens.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=saden1;728635]Wow...Ravens are really stacked in WRs...the question is will their QB be able to throw to them? I think the Ravens offense might carry that team for a change.

Edit: where you getting your info from? I seen no mention of him going to the Ravens.[/quote]

Like most people on this site this 2010 season I'm eating/sleeping/crapping NFL. We were 4-12 have to loose that smell. This has been like no other season for me I've never been this excited.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Go to the ESPN NFL page and look at INSIDER.... half way down page on left. It says V-Jax to Skins still has a chance. I'm not a member so I can't read the comments but perhaps someone can copy and paste the info here for those of us who can't get it.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

As for where the information comes, anyone not following Adam Schefter on Twitter really ought to. That guy just pumps information at a breakneck pace. He has got to be the number one source for NFL news.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Schefter rocks

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

I seriously believe the Redskins are that 3rd undisclosed team that couldn't agree on compensation:

[B]According to a source close to the situation, three teams have thus far gained permission from the Chargers to talk to Jackson about a possible trade. The Seattle Seahawks confirmed last month that they received permission. The St. Louis Rams also are one of the teams granted permission, according to the aforementioned source and a second one familiar with the situation. However, those two sources indicated it’s the third, undisclosed team that reached the agreement Saturday night.[/B]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvRArR4RUKjVV0qiBmWCKj9DubYF?slug=jc-stalledjacksontrade090510]Trade compensation, exemption stall Jackson deal - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;728670]I seriously believe the Redskins are that 3rd undisclosed team that couldn't agree on compensation:

[B]According to a source close to the situation, three teams have thus far gained permission from the Chargers to talk to Jackson about a possible trade. The Seattle Seahawks confirmed last month that they received permission. The St. Louis Rams also are one of the teams granted permission, according to the aforementioned source and a second one familiar with the situation. However, those two sources indicated it’s the third, undisclosed team that reached the agreement Saturday night.[/B]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvRArR4RUKjVV0qiBmWCKj9DubYF?slug=jc-stalledjacksontrade090510]Trade compensation, exemption stall Jackson deal - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]


If it was us & I think it might of been to, we probably said we will give you our 2nd but we want your 4th or 5th rd.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;728674]If it was us & I think it might of been to, we probably said we will give you our 2nd but we want your 4th or 5th rd.[/quote]

He's not worth a 2nd round draft pick. A 4th rounder and a conditional draft pick at best.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=saden1;728677]He's not worth a 2nd round draft pick. A 4th rounder and a conditional draft pick at best.[/quote]

I agree but based on all the talk going around figured a 2nd would open up the convo. After that up to the FO to talk them down.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Smoot-- So as of now regardless of what team is able to gain the rights to VJ and sign him he would not be able to play unitl week 7 correct?

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

VJ's worth a 2nd and a 3rd IMO. Can we please just get this guy or just stop talking about him, this is getting annoying, and frustrating that Joey Grey Beard Galloway will be starting for us this year.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;728691]VJ's worth a 2nd and a 3rd IMO. Can we please just get this guy or just stop talking about him, this is getting annoying, and frustrating that Joey Grey Beard Galloway will be starting for us this year.[/quote]

So ur willing to give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a guy that can only play 10 games this season? No thanks.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Vincent Jackson | #83 | WR

San Diego Chargers | Official Team Site

Height: 6-5 Weight: 230 Age: 27

Born: 1/14/1983 Colorado Springs , CO

College: Northern Colorado

Experience: 6th season

High School: Widefield HS [Colorado Springs, CO]
team rosters
quick stats (2009)
REC
68
YDS
1,167
AVG
17.2
TDS
9

* Profile
* Career Stats
* Game Logs
* Game Splits
* Situational Stats


Recent Games more
This player does not have any statistics...

Career Stats more
Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles
G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2009 San Diego Chargers 15 15 68 1,167 17.2 55 9 3 11 3.7 12 0 -- --
2008 San Diego Chargers 16 16 59 1,098 18.6 60 7 4 69 17.3 31 0 1 1
2007 San Diego Chargers 16 16 41 623 15.2 45 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2006 San Diego Chargers 16 7 27 453 16.8 55 6 3 16 5.3 8 0 -- --
2005 San Diego Chargers 8 0 3 59 19.7 21 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 198 3,400 17.2 60 25 -- 96 0.0 31 0 1 1

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Guy Avg. 17 YPC for his career, 50 Catches a season.. I think he's worth a 2nd or 3rd.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;728694]Guy Avg. 17 YPC for his career, 50 Catches a season.. I think he's worth a 2nd or 3rd.[/quote]

But not a 2nd AND a 3rd. Although ESPN says that now his price will drop because he'll be out for 6 games. I still think that AJ Smith will not trade him just to prove his point (gotta love that attitude).

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Maybe his fellow alumn (Reed Doughty) can convince him to accept a trade here.:cheeky-sm

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Ruhskins;728692]So ur willing to give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a guy that can only play 10 games this season? No thanks.[/quote]

You sign him to a long term deal so he can play 16 games for years after this season, duh..and yes I would still trade for him.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;728697]Maybe his fellow alumn (Reed Doughty) can convince him to accept a trade here.:cheeky-sm[/quote]

Reed Doughty and AJ Smith went to the same school?

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;728699]You sign him to a long term deal so he can play 16 games for years after this season, duh..and yes I would still trade for him.[/quote]

Good thing ur not the GM then.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Read the article on Yahoo sports. This answered my question, thank you though. If he is traded they can take a grievence to the NFL Pa and have him ready to play come week 4.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Ruhskins;728696]But not a 2nd AND a 3rd. Although ESPN says that now his price will drop because he'll be out for 6 games. I still think that AJ Smith will not trade him just to prove his point (gotta love that attitude).[/quote]

I agree with you on Smith. I thought SD would eventually cave in but with the Crayton trade, I don't think they will. Plus I really like Legedu Naanee, he could become their number 1 this yr.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

I'd stated before that I was 50-50 for a VJ trade but at this point, especially with the potential of him being gone for 6 games, let's just wait until he's a free agent next season and sign him then. I don't see us giving up our 2nd since we've already traded our 3rd and 4th (McNabb & Brown) so it's probably a moot point anyways.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;728704]I agree with you on Smith. I thought SD would eventually cave in but with the Crayton trade, I don't think they will. Plus I really like Legedu Naanee, he could become their number 1 this yr.[/quote]

Malcolm Floyd has looked good in the preseason as well, so they seem to be set at WR. I think VJ is an extremely talented receiver, but I just don't think San Diego is going to trade him. And because they have no reason to trade him, they will be at an advantage in any negotiations, even now that VJ can only play 10 games.

Furthermore, given the uncertainty of the 2011-12 season, no team is going to risk giving multiple picks for this guy or sign him to a big contract.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

What about Mark Clayton? Ravens are about to release him.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Ruhskins;728710]Malcolm Floyd has looked good in the preseason as well, so they seem to be set at WR. I think VJ is an extremely talented receiver, but I just don't think San Diego is going to trade him. And because they have no reason to trade him, they will be at an advantage in any negotiations, even now that VJ can only play 10 games.

Furthermore, given the uncertainty of the 2011-12 season, no team is going to risk giving multiple picks for this guy or sign him to a big contract.[/quote]

This may actually be the year Norv gets to the SB. The Chargers are loaded on offense and if they get Mcneil back, they have no weaknesses on Offense.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;728712]What about Mark Clayton? Ravens are about to release him.[/quote]

He might not be a bad pick up. And for the age conscious people, he is only 28.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

Scratch Clayton as an option...

mortreport

Filed to ESPN: Sam Bradford has a new WR - Rams trade for Ravens former 1st rder Mark Clayton. Late round "considerations"

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

^ sooner throwing to another sooner.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

There's no way we should trade for VJ even though we have Old Man Galloway starting wk 1. Jackson will never be a top #1 WR in this league and oh yeah he's been caught hammered [B]twice[/B]! He had a Pro bowl QB to catch from. Yeah Jackson had 1 good season and he might be better than any WR we have but he's not worth our 2nd next yr.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

^ are u kidding? Jackson is a top 5 WR. Do you watch football?

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;728725]^ are u kidding? Jackson is a top 5 WR. Do you watch football?[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking............V Jax is up there with B. Marshall and company.