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Clearly Hog1 has something so he wins again!

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Actually, this was going nowhere.......

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[quote=Hog1;726698]Actually, this was going nowhere.......[/quote]


Agreed. No offense, and sorry if i come off like a prick re: religion... just something that gets under my skin.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;726776]Agreed. No offense, and sorry if i come off like a prick re: religion... just something that gets under my skin.[/quote]

None taken, there are certainly plenty of maniacs claiming to be prophets of one kind or another.
HTTR.........

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[quote=Chico23231;726645]Unfortunately Beck has a platform (or pulpit in this case) where he stands up and gives opinions which he is paid very well for. The message itself I agree with him 25% probably, maybe less. How he delievers that message I disagree with 100% of the time with his bullsh*t theatrics, crying, yelling, insults, lying, twisting of facts and stats, and most of all inconsistencies and hypocracies. Beck knows this type of bullsh*t, TMZ-like, pro wrestling acts sells...extremes. Sh*t I know papa bear probably grown a little jealous. Dude knows he gonna be hated and he loves it. Adds to that persona...you see how happy he was to let people know he wore a bullet proof vest for his service on Saturday? People need to wake up and see it for what it is...a damn circus[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yeah I understand exactly what you are saying, and you’ve obviously watched his show several times and decided that you didn’t like it for yourself. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I like The Colbert Report, but I can’t stand The Daily Show. I like Beck, I hate O’Riliey. I like Berman, I hate Kornhizer. I like Anheuser, I hate Miller. I completely understand personal taste like/dislikes, but I feel like a lot of people don’t like Beck without ever giving him a shot first and make up their mind from a few clips they saw. I made sure I got piss drunk off of Miller Lites a few times before I made my allegiance with Bud Light. I used to like the Daily Show back when Kilborn was the host but I really cant stand Stewart at all. I think you have to look at the Glen Beck show much like you look at the Daily show. They’re both entrainment. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;726882][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yeah I understand exactly what you are saying, and you’ve obviously watched his show several times and decided that you didn’t like it for yourself. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I like The Colbert Report, but I can’t stand The Daily Show. I like Beck, I hate O’Riliey. I like Berman, I hate Kornhizer. I like Anheuser, I hate Miller. I completely understand personal taste like/dislikes, but I feel like a lot of people don’t like Beck without ever giving him a shot first and make up their mind from a few clips they saw. I made sure I got piss drunk off of Miller Lites a few times before I made my allegiance with Bud Light. I used to like the Daily Show back when Kilborn was the host but I really cant stand Stewart at all. I think you have to look at the Glen Beck show much like you look at the Daily show. They’re both entrainment. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Well see I dont think you can compare the two...Unless your saying Beck is a comedy show...which then you can and then I agree. Platform and presentation is different.

Now if you want compare to Olberman to Beck that is more true comparison.

As for Colbert...lol...that guy is the man. I watch him religiously..well should I use religiously in this debate when talking about the Cult of Beck? Pun intended? Anyways Daily Show is very good too, but Colbert is presentation of look through the bullsh*t on both sides show is very good and really what the political media needed in this time of extreme polarization between the 2 sides.

As we talk about this, though, it is always important to look at context and forums when any media presenting its news and opinions...because after all its politics. What tics me off are the people who simply agree without thinking. I tend to see and hear this more from the right than the left.

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[quote=Chico23231;726645]Unfortunately Beck has a platform (or pulpit in this case) where he stands up and gives opinions which he is paid very well for. [B]The message itself I agree with him 25% probably, maybe less. How he delievers that message I disagree with 100% of the time with his bullsh*t theatrics, crying, yelling, insults, lying, twisting of facts and stats, and most of all inconsistencies and hypocracies.[/B] Beck knows this type of bullsh*t, TMZ-like, pro wrestling acts sells...extremes. Sh*t I know papa bear probably grown a little jealous. Dude knows he gonna be hated and he loves it. Adds to that persona...you see how happy he was to let people know he wore a bullet proof vest for his service on Saturday? People need to wake up and see it for what it is...a damn circus[/quote]

Sounds like the left and Al Gore on Global warming.

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[quote=firstdown;726948]Sounds like the left and Al Gore on Global warming.[/quote]

Did you happen to notice the summer weather on the East Coast this year? In many areas it was the hottest summer ever recorded.

[B]Ever.[/B]

Take your head out of the sand. Global warming is a scientific fact.

Unfortunately major corporate polluters are spending truckloads of money in an attempt to discredit the science. It's criminal behavior and you shouldn't support it if you have any respect for the environment.

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The evidence is starting to pile up.

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[quote=wilsowilso;726967]Did you happen to notice the summer weather on the East Coast this year? In many areas it was the hottest summer ever recorded.

[B]Ever.[/B]

Take your head out of the sand. Global warming is a scientific fact.

Unfortunately major corporate polluters are spending truckloads of money in an attempt to discredit the science. It's criminal behavior and you shouldn't support it if you have any respect for the environment.[/quote]

Can not the same be said of the extreme cold weather in the same area last winter?

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I don't accept Global Climate Change as a thing that mankind has caused and is causing.

However, certainly Global Warming is a misnomer, because it is more that the whole climate is changing (as it has from the beginning, before Science could effectively measure it). That does lead to more extremes both hot and cold weather related.

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[quote=Hog1;726972]Can not the same be said of the extreme cold weather in the same area last winter?[/quote]


It wasn't extreme cold.

It was extreme snow and that is also caused by global warming.

Here is an article from Time magazine.

[url=http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1962294,00.html]Snowstorm: East Coast Blizzard Tied to Climate Change - TIME[/url]

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It's funny how people tend to conflate global warming with an increase in tempartures.

I'm trying to up my post count today, sorry.

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[quote=12thMan;726984]It's funny how people tend to conflate global warming with an increase in temperatures.

I'm trying to up my post count today, sorry.[/quote]

Are you sure you aren't trying to provoke Buster?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;726976]I don't accept Global Climate Change as a thing that mankind has caused and is causing.

However, certainly Global Warming is a misnomer, because it is more that the whole climate is changing (as it has from the beginning, before Science could effectively measure it). That does lead to more extremes both hot and cold weather related.[/quote]

You don't accept it?

When you burn a hole in the atmosphere which is something that has never happened before you won't get both extremes. The cycle will be broken.

There will only be one extreme.

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Didn't we have a global warming thread?

Data is piling up that some type of climate change is occuring. IMHO - based on lots of reading over the past years trying to discern the "truth" - data is inconclusive, at best, in tying humanity's actions to the causation of the climate change.

It is such a politicized subject that truly objective and balanced information is hard to find. Each side tends to present facts that support their opinions and no real critical analysis is done. Much of the research and testing done is not goal neutral but, rather, done by scientists who are being paid to find certain conclusions - on [I]both[/I] sides of the issue.

So much statistical BS out there and very little critical thinking.

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I don't accept the principle that man's actions alone and in isolation cause a dramatic shift in a complex environment made up of billions of interacting particles. Nor do I accept as a valid premise that a man driving a 25mpg car has done more to save this vast environment than a man driving a 15mpg car, when every day a single jet flying overhead will use more aviation fuel in a single trip than a 10mpg difference will use in a year or 2. Instead, we have pop stars flying from concert to concert telling the "normal" folk how to save the earth as they light off pyrotechnics which again burn more energy, and cause more polluting in a single event than an urban mother with 2 kids will use in a month.

Bottomline, fear laced with a limited knowledge, and fueled by base scientific "proof", leads to poor education, and even worse policy.

Is the climate changing, absolutely. does a recycled plastic bottle affect it? Drop a tiny grain of sand in the ocean, and tell me if you managed to stop Earl?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;726663]Which would then mean I could base an entire religion around it, as has been done so many times throughout history. Like I said, I'm happy for other people to believe in these things if it helps them cope... whatever works. [B]Just keep your crazy out of the government, thanks...[/B][/quote]Beck is what he is. Sounds to me like the rally was positive event for those that participated.

The problem with the bolded statement is that the Founding Fathers were "crazy" and they believed (as do over 90% of Americans) that the basis for our unalienable rights is from God, not other men or "government". Very important distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/23/AR2008062300813.html?sid=ST2008062300818&s_pos"]Most Americans Believe in Higher Power, Poll Finds - washingtonpost.com[/URL]=

I know the problem the non-religious have with those who are religious is when they carry their desire to "save" everyone to extremes and try to force their beliefs on others. I understand and completely agree with the non-religious on that. However, those who believe (myself included) have a problem with being characterized as believing in "fairy tales" or just flat out being "crazy". The religion issue is always a very touchy subject for most and it is often brought to extremes by those on the fringes.

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Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.

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[quote=wilsowilso;726989]You don't accept it?

When you burn a hole in the atmosphere which [B]is something that has never happened before[/B] you won't get both extremes. The cycle will be broken.

There will only be one extreme.[/quote]

And you have the atmospheric data from the 1700 & 1800's to prove this? Or better yet, from the 1000's and 1200's (during the last warming trend)? There are many studies demonstrating that ozone depletion may have occurred in the past due to other factors.

In fairness, human created CFC's likely caused the current Antarctic Ozone depletion but, under the 1987 Montreal Protocols, the CFC's have been essentially eliminated as of 1996 and the Antarctic ozone depletion has begun a recovery. It will take time (50-100 years) and cooperation but the ozone layer is expected to make a complete recovery - yay!!. Even as it recovers, however, the studied climate change data seems to indicate a general wider cooling/warming trend (i.e. - hotter than normal summers, cooler than normal winters). Thus, the former clarion call for humanity's affect on the global climate change ("We burned a hole in the atmosphere!!") is creating conflicting data.

Again, there are soooo many factors that affect the climate to assert humanity as [I]the[/I] causation of global climate change is, to my mind, an incredible act of hubris.

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[quote=Mattyk;727001]Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.[/quote]

You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??

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[quote=Mattyk;727001]Funny, much like Beck himself this thread is all over the place and not making much sense.[/quote]LOL. I can sit and watch Hannity, O'Reilly, the Sunday AM shows, but I can never watch Beck for more than a couple of minutes before clicking out.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;726998]Beck is what he is. Sounds to me like the rally was positive event for those that participated.

The problem with the bolded statement is that the Founding Fathers were "crazy" and they believed (as do over 90% of Americans) that the basis for our unalienable rights is from God, not other men or "government". Very important distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/23/AR2008062300813.html?sid=ST2008062300818&s_pos"]Most Americans Believe in Higher Power, Poll Finds - washingtonpost.com[/URL]=

I know the problem the non-religious have with those who are religious is when they carry their desire to "save" everyone to extremes and try to force their beliefs on others. I understand and completely agree with the non-religious on that. However, those who believe (myself included) have a problem with being characterized as believing in "fairy tales" or just flat out being "crazy". The religion issue is always a very touchy subject for most and it is often brought to extremes by those on the fringes.[/quote]

Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be legitimately denied by the same?

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[quote=wilsowilso;726967]Did you happen to notice the summer weather on the East Coast this year? In many areas it was the hottest summer ever recorded.

[B]Ever.[/B]

Take your head out of the sand. Global warming is a scientific fact.

Unfortunately major corporate polluters are spending truckloads of money in an attempt to discredit the science. It's criminal behavior and you shouldn't support it if you have any respect for the environment.[/quote]

I never said global warming was not happening. By the way the scientist discredited them self. You also act like Gore has not made millions and millions off his BS but the man made global warming people seem to ignore his huge $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ interest in this whole thing.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;727016]You speaketh the truthiest.

What sayeth the mob to this??[/quote]

I cannot decide............

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[quote=JoeRedskin;727026]Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be denied by the same?[/quote]Here's something I've always brought up when going down this path with those that don't believe.

There are two sides to the argument either God exists, or does not exist.

First, let's say non-believers are right and He doesn't exist. In that scenario, I still believe He exists, so I live my life in accordance with Christian principles. I raise a family and they do the same. We all obey the government's laws and are generally good (not perfect, but try to be good). I get old, sick, and die still believing in God. He doesn't exist so there's no heaven, hell, etc. I was just a mass of cells with electric pulses / chemical reactions going on inside, I never know if I was right or wrong, and I'm gone. No harm, no foul. I generally left my circle of influence a little bit better than it would've been had I not existed.

But.....what if I'm right, God does exist, and non-believers have flat-out rejected Him. Not a real good postion for them to be in.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;727050] But.....what if I'm right, God does exist, and non-believers have flat-out rejected Him. Not a real good postion for them to be in.[/quote]

What if God exists and could care less if people acknowledge him according to one dogma or the other or if they even believe in him at all?

What if you live an honest life and contribute to your family and community and that's really all it takes to be in God's good graces?

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[url=http://www.theblaze.com/]The Blaze[/url]


Glenn Beck's new website. BOOKMARK IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=wilsowilso;727059]What if God exists and could care less if people acknowledge him according to one dogma or the other or if they even believe in him at all?[/quote]maybe I should've rephrased God to "what Judeo-Christian's believe as God".

[quote]What if you live an honest life and contribute to your family and community and that's really all it takes to be in God's good graces?[/quote]Then that's fantastic. Look, I'm not trying to push my beliefs on anyone. I was responding to JoeR, who I know holds a similiar belief system as I do. I know there are many that believe different things and I'm not an evangelical who's out to "save" everyone. But at the same time, I'm going to make a statement when others make the claim that my whole belief system is based on fairy tales.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;727050]Here's something I've always brought up when going down this path with those that don't believe.

There are two sides to the argument either God exists, or does not exist.

First, let's say non-believers are right and He doesn't exist. In that scenario, I still believe He exists, so I live my life in accordance with Christian principles. I raise a family and they do the same. We all obey the government's laws and are generally good (not perfect, but try to be good). I get old, sick, and die still believing in God. He doesn't exist so there's no heaven, hell, etc. I was just a mass of cells with electric pulses / chemical reactions going on inside, I never know if I was right or wrong, and I'm gone. No harm, no foul. I generally left my circle of influence a little bit better than it would've been had I not existed.

[B]But.....what if I'm right, God does exist, and non-believers have flat-out rejected Him. Not a real good postion for them to be in[/B].[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That sounds like how my dad thinks. He has stated that he goes to church for “insurance” purposes. I dont know if i think thats a healthy way to be religious.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I watch South Park every now and then, and I remember watching a episode about Mormons. It basically poked fun at a lot of the ridiculous beliefs that Mormons have, but it also showed how happy the Mormon family was and how they were great people and had great values. So that’s the way I look at it. Sure belive what you want, but at the end of the day does it make you a better person. If you’re a “non-believer” that cant help yourself when it come it comes to attacking other people’s beliefs – does that make you a better person. If you’re run by divine providence and think your job is to save other people to the point that you offend them – does that make you a better person. As much as I hate it (because the type of people I see in the cars) I really like the idea behind the [URL="http://www.northernsun.com/images/imagelarge/Coexist-Bumper-Sticker-(7167).jpg"]coexist bumper sticker[/URL]. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=wilsowilso;727059]What if God exists and could care less if people acknowledge him according to one dogma or the other or if they even believe in him at all?

What if you live an honest life and contribute to your family and community and that's really all it takes to be in God's good graces?[/quote]

Exactly how I feel.

Somehow I doubt God, if he exists, is so preoccupied with whether or not we believe in his existence. Shouldn't a God be above such pettiness?

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Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??

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Under any of these scenarios at the end of the day or in this case, end of the lifetime, your choices may be yours to reap. You may or may not be judged and rewarded or punished depending on the existence of the Judeo-Christian prototypical Creator. Good luck.........

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727084]Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
[B]Taxes - ??[/B]
Universal Healthcare -- ??[/quote]


My soon to be sister in law got me one of these cards a few weeks ago. Its pretty sweet.

[URL]https://www.atr.org/card.html[/URL]

EDIT: Wow i didnt realize she donated money to get this..... She voted for Obama too, but now absolutely [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]despises him.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727084]Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??[/quote]

So glad we hit on unicorns, Beck would be proud.

But is this really a case of left vs. right? Left doesn't = non-believer anymore than right = believer.

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[quote=mlmpetert;727069][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That sounds like how my dad thinks. He has stated that he goes to church for “insurance” purposes. I dont know if i think thats a healthy way to be religious.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]LOL at your Dad. I agree with you about the "insurance" or fear not being the optimal way to find God.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][quote]I watch South Park every now and then, and I remember watching a episode about Mormons. It basically poked fun at a lot of the ridiculous beliefs that Mormons have, but it also showed how happy the Mormon family was and how they were great people and had great values. So that’s the way I look at it. Sure belive what you want, but at the end of the day does it make you a better person. If you’re a “non-believer” that cant help yourself when it come it comes to attacking other people’s beliefs – does that make you a better person. If you’re run by divine providence and think your job is to save other people to the point that you offend them – does that make you a better person. As much as I hate it (because the type of people I see in the cars) I really like the idea behind the [URL="http://www.northernsun.com/images/imagelarge/Coexist-Bumper-Sticker-(7167).jpg"]coexist bumper sticker[/URL]. [/quote][/FONT][/COLOR]That was a funny episode. And well stated about folks respecting one another.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;727090]So glad we hit on unicorns, Beck would be proud.

But is this really a case of left vs. right? Left doesn't = non-believer anymore than right = believer.[/QUOTE]

the left vs right was so page 4 of this thread

[QUOTE]Dam the left likes to call people names that don't agree with them. Just go through this entire thread and see the name calling. I thought the left was the party of inclusion, yea my ass. Thats all right november is just a month away.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727084]Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??[/quote]

lol best post to this thread by far:food-smil

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[quote=Mattyk;727090]So glad we hit on unicorns, Beck would be proud.
[/quote]Damn, I missed the unicorns.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727084]Thread checklist

Black National Anthem -- check
Global Warming -- check
Existence of God - check
Mosque at Ground Zero (well 2 blocks away) -- check
Left bashing right - check
Right being offended by left bashing right - check
Unicorns -- check
Taxes - ??
Universal Healthcare -- ??[/quote]

Glenn Beck supports the Arizona law on illegal immigration because he believes Hispanics are the reason guys like Marcus Mason can't find jobs in the NFL...thread checklist complete