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[quote=Mattyk;726537]You have to hate the way Leinart is dealing with being demoted too.[/quote]

Also keep in mind this is not the first time they've had to demote him.

If you remember when they brought Warner in, they were rotating the QBs. Warner was bad on the Giants...was injured when he arrived, everyone thought he was done.

But, the old man clearly outplayed Leinart. They tried hard to get him on the field...what teams actually use 2 rotating QBs in the NFL? But, he played himself out of a job then...and did again this year.

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I know some here are interested in Leinart, but just as a reminder...

Word got out that the reason why Colt was cut was to make room for Beck whome Shanahan supposedly coveted when he was coming out of college. And.... I think it's the very person they recently gave a 2 yr extention to even thought they have not extended McNabb yet.

My guess would be they are happy with Beck.

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[quote=GTripp0012;726979]It could be seen as nitpicking, but it's not: Leinart didn't play on a good Cardinals team. He was the backup QB on a good Cardinals team, who started just one game on two teams that went to the playoffs. Leinart played on a Cardinals team every bit as bad as the worst Browns teams in the last decade, and a lot worse than the 2007 Browns offense, which was pretty good independent of it's quarterback, if only for ten games. Boldin was already a very good receiver when Leinart got in (and his stats reflect that), but Fitzgerald became an elite player in the 2008 playoffs, well after Leinart was buried, and certainly not because of Leinart.

I also really don't like the argument about quarterbacks seeing the field or not. Didn't like it with Campbell, and don't like it with Leinart because it assumes far too much. Even if there is a field vision problem, the only thing that fans can do (and game tape does not help with this) is presuppose that it's correct. And that's fallacious thinking.

For example, I can say from game tape that Mark Sanchez absolutely can't throw to his left. He's terrible there, both on film and on the stat sheet. There's nothing, however, to suggest that he has a vision problem to the left side. That's possible, but assuming as much would be wrong.

[B]With that said, Leinart likely is who he is. He's a very good backup in this league, and probably a marginal starter. He may just be Jason Campbell, without the running ability[/B] to extend drives when you have coverages that can take away your best targets on third down. And ultimately, the Cards are going to have to try to improve on that.

But I disagree with Ken Whisenhunt (who has certainly earned the right to guess wrong at least once with his QB) that this decision can be made independent of Derek Anderson. Because that's who you have. I don't think he's necessarily wrong on Leinart, but this is how you take the revenue gained from at least making the playoffs in an absolute gimme division, and cost your franchise that revenue: by making decisions like this one.

And I think your points here are good ones: the best QBs take their shots at the deeper plays when they need to. But while it's safe to assume that Larry Fitzgerald is going to get open downfield a couple times a game no matter what coverage the other teams play, it's not going to be Derek Anderson's added ability to find him that makes the difference in the Cards season. It's going to be the negative plays that Anderson routinely makes on plays where Fitzgerald is well-covered that will have them losing a game for every one they win.[/quote]

I really like and agree with your assessment of Leinart above and comparing him to Campbell.
However, I used the word vision for lack of a better word when trying to describe my dislike of Leinart's throwing decisions and mental progression in the passing game. I feel like there was a noticeable difference between Leinart and Kurt Warner. I don't really care or have a preference between Leinart or Anderson. I just see Anderson as a slightly more confidant Qb and it reflects in his play, even when he f's up. Leinart looks like he playing not to F-up.
Then to top it off Leinart acted out when he was demoted. To the press no less. His ego is bigger than the team.

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I am going to assume, given the intense Leinart-Anderson debate, that one is assured to be [U]cut from another team[/U], and in fact, someone here feels that [U]we should pick the one that is cut up[/U], and by doing so we will have reached [U]CHAMPIONSHIP[/U].

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727025]I am going to assume, given the intense Leinart-Anderson debate, that one is assured to be [U]cut from another team[/U], and in fact, someone here feels that [U]we should pick the one that is cut up[/U], and by doing so we will have reached [U]CHAMPIONSHIP[/U].[/quote]

No, not for me. Just plain old talking about Leinart. There was a huge debate back years ago when Leinart and Vince Young were drafted. There was a lot of negative comments toward Vince Young at the time and it surprised me. Several people here saying V Young was going to be another inaccurate scrambling black Qb and that Leinart was going to be a much better pro. That has turned out to be wrong. Although the story is not finished. They are both still young and a lot can still happen.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727025]I am going to assume, given the intense Leinart-Anderson debate, that one is assured to be [U]cut from another team[/U], and in fact, someone here feels that [U]we should pick the one that is cut up[/U], and by doing so we will have reached [U]CHAMPIONSHIP[/U].[/quote]

Of course C.....

Championship!!

LMAO.

I highly doubt that we will bring either of these QBs to the Redskins given we already have plenty of proven QB talent here in Ol D.C.

:food-smil

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There's still a lot to prove for Vince Young, but the other thing is the way that quarterback play has evolved in the NFL since the 2006 draft, you're better off with the dual threat quarterback who can make all the throws than you are with Leinart or Cutler, who might be able to throw the ball through a brick wall, but cant seem to throw it through a defender's chest.

Quarterback play, league wide, has moved decisively in the direction of Vince Young being successful, and should it continue in the current direction, Young will be a top ten quarterback someday. Problem for Leinart is, while he came into the league a relative commodity, players like him are being developed at an astounding rate. Its not that he can't play, he's just not very special. Joe Flacco may only be a little bit better than Leinart, but he came from Delaware vs. USC, and Cam Cameron deserves all the credit in the world for succeeding with him just a year after failing with John Beck.

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^ I agree. The college QB's that are pocket passers and non-scrambling Qb's have to be able to develop the ability unload the ball early or else they will fail in the NFL. Or have the rare ability like Brady and Peyton Manning to sense the rush and slide around it.
The pass rushers in the NFL are so much better than in NCAA's. That is why Patrick Ramsey has not landed a starting job. Great arm but slow to get rid of it and not good at sensing the pressure in his blind spots.
Ramsey and Leinart have to develop the ability to throw to a spot and hope that the receiver will meet up with the ball. They can not wait for a receiver to come open. It takes to long.

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JasonLaCanfora

SEA trying to move[B] TJ Houshmandzadeh[/B], but unlikely anyone takes him on. WR due to make $7M-plus guaranteed in '10. He's available, though

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Well, of course we have to have Whoseyourmama b/c that would mean - yes, you guessed it - [I]CHAMPIONSHIP !!!![/I]

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Housh in my opinion would be a HUGE pick-up but I dont know who we can offer? We aren't particularly deep at any position unless we can unload a Larry Johnson or a Chris Horton or both, I'd rather not give up picks

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[quote=Dirtbag359;727068]JasonLaCanfora

SEA trying to move[B] TJ Houshmandzadeh[/B], but unlikely anyone takes him on. WR due to make $7M-plus guaranteed in '10. He's available, though[/quote]

Guess Branch, Tate, and Mike Williams are playing better than expected this summer...though I suspect it has more to do with TJ's attitude. From what I've heard people say Bengals teammates had bigger issues with TJ than Ocho and his complaints, but that's all second hand speculation

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[quote=SmootSmack;727075]Guess Branch, Tate, and Mike Williams are playing better than expected this summer...though I suspect it has more to do with TJ's attitude. From what I've heard people say Bengals teammates had bigger issues with TJ than Ocho and his complaints, but that's all second hand speculation[/quote]

Well thats not really to big of a deal. Ocho is a really likable guy, very different from the type of problems T.O has caused in the past. TJ on the other hand seems just like the type of guy Shanahan would like to bring in. He already showed a willingness to bring in troublesome guys by signing LJ so I wouldn't mind bringing in a guy with his talent, especially if the problem is money, since at that point he could be had for a whopping 5th round pick.

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Well some players that are undrafted, really make it. And some that are drafted, don't.

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Houshmandzadeh does nothing to help stretch the field, I think we've got the underneath stuff already covered with Cooley and Davis.

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[quote=Mattyk;727089]Houshmandzadeh does nothing to help stretch the field, I think we've got the underneath stuff already covered with Cooley and Davis.[/quote]

Yeah...but he can run routes, get separation and catch passes.
Name someone more consistant other than Moss

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I would feel a little more comfortable with our receiving corp than I do now.
The news I hear about Devin makes me want to just cut our losses and grab a proven vet.
V-Jax would cost us way too much and this could be a better option.

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[quote=tc2deuce;727531]I would feel a little more comfortable with our receiving corp than I do now.
The news I hear about Devin makes me want to just cut our losses and grab a proven vet.
V-Jax would cost us way too much and this could be a better option.[/quote]

Some speculation suggests that Seattle is going after Vincent Jackson, particularly if they can get a draft pick and unload TJ Houshmandzadeh

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[quote=Dirtbag359;726097]Well not that the personnel people are wrong, but you have to remember the fact that these guys frequently get fired for not being able to identify talent. Kurt Warner got cut by the Packers and turned away from a tryout by the Bears all after going undrafted. Ryan Leaf was the second pick in the draft. There's a laundry list from here to the moon of personnel people that messed up on players.

So to sum it up, just because Marko Mitchell has been juggled around the league doesn't mean he's a bad player.[/quote]

Kennan MaCardell was cut by the Redskins , and he turned out to be pretty good player. Also anyone remember Jimmy Smith of the Jags he was cut by the Cowboys and later blew up the league. :goodjob:

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Personally,I think we need to just be patient.

As much as I want to make a trade or sign the 1st thing to hit the market ASAP...we need to be patient as I think there will be good talent after cuts.

Honestly...I say we stay away from trading for anyone,unless it's a Carriker type of trade.
No more of the trading a 1st or 2nd rounder cause we don't have a 3rd or 4th in the mcnabb and Brown deals.

So we need to stay patient over the weekend.

I do think we need to upgrade the WR core,but lets not kid ourselves...this isn't some Daniels is hurt lets trade a 2nd for Jason Taylor situation guys...

But we definately need to keep our eye on guys like T.J. and even A.Bryant and others...
I would also like to keep an eye out for Giants Cruz...Saints Ivory and players that might be stashed on teams Practice Squads or released as well...

My point is..we don't need to drop a 1st and 2nd rd pick for Vincent Jackson and pay him 3 Billion a year plus a Country...OK? Ridiculous...

I'm looking to upgrade..I don't think we stink though...

If Shanahan is fine going into the season with Moss,Galloway and Armstrong as the Big 3..then so be it. It's not like mcnabb doesn't have studs in Cooley and Davis to go with theat combo...

But would I rather have Moss,T.J and Armstrong? Absolutely...

lets do what (Shanahan and Allen) have been doing...carefully finding the right guy for the team and not breaking the bank for a guy looking to get paid.

OK?

personally,I'm not worried at all...

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We do not have to break the bank on another reciever but we do need another solid option. We do not have a full deck when it comes to that position.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;727575]We do not have to break the bank on another reciever but we do need another solid option. We do not have a full deck when it comes to that position.[/quote]

As much as I hate this, and I really really hate it, Dallas is going to cut one, maybe two solid receivers. Would anyone here take a chance at Ogletree, Hurd or Crayton once they are cut?

My head says yes, but the rest of me says no way!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727576]As much as I hate this, and I really really hate it, Dallas is going to cut one, maybe two solid receivers. Would anyone here take a chance at Ogletree, Hurd or Crayton once they are cut?

My head says yes, but the rest of me says no way![/quote]

Why the hell not? Cause their Cowboys. Nah man that doesn't bother me
I'd take anyone of them..........plus they they all come with the Dallas Cowboy playbook ;)

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I would sign Crayton in a heartbeat.

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Honestly,I would rather get that Cruz kid from the giants over any of the Cowboys guys...I really like that kid. Very talented imo...

But no way do the Giants cut him...they can't be that stupid,can they?

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[quote=aceinthehouse;727590]Honestly,I would rather get that Cruz kid from the giants over any of the Cowboys guys...I really like that kid. Very talented imo...

But no way do the Giants cut him...they can't be that stupid,can they?[/quote]

No they won't cut Cruz, that's why I asked about the Cowboys WR, they will have to cut at least one, and maybe two of those three WR's, and we are pretty high on the waiver wire, so we should get a good shot at them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;727595]No they won't cut Cruz, that's why I asked about the Cowboys WR, they will have to cut at least one, and maybe two of those three WR's, and we are pretty high on the waiver wire, so we should get a good shot at them.[/quote]

Well...If I had to choose between Creighton or Hurd...I think I would go with Creighton of the two.

Boy,I hate the fact of getting Cowboy castoffs though...uck!

What about that ivory kid from the saints?
I know they're loaded at the WR position...Does he make their team? Or Practice squad?

I only saw a couple plays from the guy,but he looked pretty good. I don't know?

I want that Victor Cruz kid!! damn it..lol

On NFL.com
He's the leading WR in the NFL...lol
He has 15 catches for 297 yards and 4 TD's.

he's #1 in yards
Tied for 2nd in catches
and tied for 1st in TD catches

But I'm sure he isn't going anywhere...
But he is undrafted,but I think he makes it anyways..(Plus I just noticed Sinorice moss is on IR..didn't know that)

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[quote=aceinthehouse;727607]Well...If I had to choose between Creighton or Hurd...I think I would go with Creighton of the two.

Boy,I hate the fact of getting Cowboy castoffs though...uck!

What about that ivory kid from the saints?
I know they're loaded at the WR position...Does he make their team? Or Practice squad?

I only saw a couple plays from the guy,but he looked pretty good. I don't know?

I want that Victor Cruz kid!! damn it..lol

On NFL.com
He's the leading WR in the NFL...lol
He has 15 catches for 297 yards and 4 TD's.

he's #1 in yards
Tied for 2nd in catches
and tied for 1st in TD catches

But I'm sure he isn't going anywhere...
But he is undrafted,but I think he makes it anyways..(Plus I just noticed Sinorice moss is on IR..didn't know that)[/quote]

Crayton man Crayton. We are talking about the player not the college.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;727616]Crayton man Crayton. We are talking about the player not the college.[/quote]

Oh yea..my bad..lol

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Crayton will be the odd man out in Dallas. Not because of anything he has or has not done. But he is scheduled to make 2 million this year and that is way too much for a guy that will be #4 on the depth chart.

Hurd will probably be staying in Dallas.

BUt if you guys get Crayton, you will enjoy it. He is a true team player. After all the turmoil surounding the off season, he still worked his butt off throughout the off season and camp. He deserves a shot at more playing time, and if that means he wears burgundy and gold to get that playing time, as much as I cringe at the thought, than so be it. I have way too much respect for him to NOT wish him well, even if he ends up a Redskin.

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I heard Derrick Ward is on his way to Houston,and if Torrain doesnt make it im sure they'll go after him also

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Crayton would be a solid pickup.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;727679]Crayton will be the odd man out in Dallas. Not because of anything he has or has not done. But he is scheduled to make 2 million this year and that is way too much for a guy that will be #4 on the depth chart.

Hurd will probably be staying in Dallas.

BUt if you guys get Crayton, you will enjoy it. He is a true team player. After all the turmoil surounding the off season, he still worked his butt off throughout the off season and camp. He deserves a shot at more playing time, and if that means he wears burgundy and gold to get that playing time, as much as I cringe at the thought, than so be it. I have way too much respect for him to NOT wish him well, even if he ends up a Redskin.[/quote]
What does he have left in the tank? He's always struck me as a gamer but nothing special-kind of like your version of James Thrash. Am I on target or off base?

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[quote=Mattyk;727686]Crayton would be a solid pickup.[/quote]

Very much so.

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[quote=Paintrain;727688]What does he have left in the tank? He's always struck me as a gamer but nothing special-kind of like your version of James Thrash. Am I on target or off base?[/quote]
He'e got plenty in the tank. Never seen him take a day off, cant remember the last time I saw his name on an injury report.

I assure you, he will NOT clear waivers and become a free agent, someone will pick him up.

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Crayton is very, very good. I don't know if he's a scheme fit necessarily, but he would help plug our wide receiver weakness, and free Santana Moss from much responsibility in the intermediate field where he tends to take those big shots.

I'd take Crayton over Galloway any day.

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[quote=GTripp0012;727705]Crayton is very, very good. I don't know if he's a scheme fit necessarily, but he would help plug our wide receiver weakness, and free Santana Moss from much responsibility in the intermediate field where he tends to take those big shots.

[B]I'd take Crayton over Galloway any day.[/B][/quote]

Absolutely. And they are both ex-Cowpuffs, so the "no ex-Cowpuffs" cannot be applied.

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Again watching the Packers game the announcers mentioned that the team has way too much talent at WR and some one will get cut there also. Perhaps they have a decent young WR who can come in and be better then someone we have similar to what AA did this yr.

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Not actually a cut but a signing. Darnell Dockett signed a contract extension, I don't really know the terms but those wanting the local kid to come home next year, it's not happening

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It would be funny to get Crayton as he'll hopefully run his mouth against his old team.
Just no drops at critical junctures. :D