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Larry Johnson just flat out sucks

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[quote=Beemnseven;736281]Amen -- and the best way to do that is to stock up on as many 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks as we can. Trading Haynesworthless might get us an extra pick or two in that range.[/quote]

Yeah, but we consistently underachieve with those picks (this regime hasn't shown any signs of breaking that trend). We won't pick a Haynesworth type player, that is a certainty.

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[quote=Beemnseven;736291]Guilty as charged. I thought about that too. It's games like this that make you take a long hard look at the weak links.

The sting for this game is wearing off though, and like I said earlier, our secondary just ran into a far superior opponent. We won't be the only ones who look like amateurs against Houston.[/quote]

I don't know if we looked like amateurs. We pissed it away...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;736327]It was 4th and 10[/quote]

I thought it was but didn't feel like researching it. That makes it even worse.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;736359]There were 3 offensive series in the 3rd Quarter. 2 of them belonged to the Texans and they resulted in a field goal and TD respectively. Our 3rd Quarter drive resulted in a Chris Cooley TD pass. Score going into the fourth 27-17.

At the start of the 4th Quarter the Skins tried to run the ball but something funny happened.
1-10-WAS 20 (15:00) 27-L.Johnson left end to WAS 10 for -10 yards (29-G.Quin).

Obviously we had to pass when we're looking at 2nd and 20. Remember the score is 27-17 at this point and we're facing a high powered Texans offense that dominated the third Quarter. If we get a first down we can go back to the run, but on 2nd and 20 we'd be stupid to run it.

Next drive results in a Texans FG, now it's 27-20. It was on our next drive that drive where we actually started running the ball well.

(9:39) 26-C.Portis up the middle to HST 26 for 2 yards (95-S.Cody).
2-8-HOU 26
(8:59) 26-C.Portis left end pushed ob at HST 14 for 12 yards (21-B.McCain).
1-10-HOU 14
(8:28) 26-C.Portis right guard to HST 9 for 5 yards (92-E.Mitchell).
2-5-HOU 9
(7:49) 26-C.Portis left end to HST 5 for 4 yards (31-B.Pollard, 29-G.Quin).
3-1-HOU 5

Here's where everything really started going downhill.

(7:49) PENALTY on WAS-77-J.Brown, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at HST 5 - No Play.

3rd and 6 27-27. Do you want to run it here?
3-6-HOU 10 (6:45) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short middle to 89-S.Moss (26-E.Wilson, 72-J.Nading).

Still hurts to even think about this play
[/B]4-6-HOU 10 (6:40) 4-G.Gano 29 yard field goal is BLOCKED (31-B.Pollard), Center-57-N.Sundberg, Holder-6-J.Bidwell, RECOVERED by HST-95-S.Cody at HST 16. 95-S.Cody to HST 16 for no gain (75-A.Hicks).

So we get the ball back after a failed Texans drive. Now I'll admit, this was pretty dumb
2-5-HOU 46
(4:22) 89-S.Moss left end to WAS 46 for -8 yards (31-B.Pollard). End around

Still it's 3rd and 13 so we have to pass. Incomplete we punt, Houston scores. Now we're tied 27-27. We get the ball back with 2:03 left in the 4th Quarter. Obviously we can't run it now.

Looking back the End around to Moss, the Chanelling Barry Sanders moves, and the Jamaal Brown false start on 3rd and 1 combined with our defenses second half breakdown prevented us from using ground and pound to finish the game. As painful as it is to relive it's by no means a personnel problem.[/quote]

Excellent breakdown Dirtbag. On a side note though, I'm firmly on the Larry Johnson Sucks train. He hasn't done anything of note and his bad plays (see: Channeling Barry Sanders) outweigh what few positive plays he has had.

As for our breakdowns in pass d (honestly never thought I'd see the day when a Washington Redskins defense would allow 500 passing yards in a single game), well they attacked Chris Horton as soon as he was in the game, and I feel like Doughty was solid if unspectacular. I'm not gonna hold Andre Johnson's touchdown catch against him, I mean honestly that's a top 5 wideout in this league and I would've had 2 guys on him, especially on a play like that. I don't feel comfortable with our depth though, honestly I feel like Kareem Moore showed us enough in preseason/camp to be our starting free safety, and with Moore/Landry we'll be set, but I don't like having 2 true strong safeties in Doughty and Horton as our backups, especially with Doughty having to shift to free when Moore is out. We need a true free safety to backup Moore.

Other than that I feel like it's hard to pinpoint exactly why our pass defense is so bad. I felt like we got good pressure, but at the same time Schaub was prepared for it and got the ball out quickly. But when we sat back (which was extremely rare in this game) they still moved the ball at will.

So we do have some questions that need answering, but honestly this loss isn't as deflating as I felt like it was earlier. It still stings watching my favorite team blow a 17 point lead but I don't feel like it's anything that's not fixable.

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[QUOTE]Other than that I feel like it's hard to pinpoint exactly why our pass defense is so bad. I felt like we got good pressure, but at the same time Schaub was prepared for it and got the ball out quickly. But when we sat back (which was extremely rare in this game) they still moved the ball at will. [/QUOTE]
It's simple. Blitzes, like the one on the Johnson TD, are meant to drop the QB quick and are being picked up. We don't have enough "intimidating" fat boys to adequately free up the OLBs and ILBs. Carriker is our best D-linemen, and he's a DE. Our NTs may draw double teams sometimes, but they get their asses whooped more often than not. Golston is an overachiever, but who really thinks he's great space eater who requires double teams as well? Holliday is going to expire soon, and Jarmon has been nonexistent.

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We need a fast bruiser of a back.

CP as much as I like the guy, on that 3rd and 1 that J Brown jumped of sides, the play before that CP either should have got the firstdown or he should have scored, but he kinda stumbled on his own feet again.

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I think given our Quaterback and Coaching staff, the redskins will be able to overachieve the rest of the year. Talent wise, the team just doesn't have a ton. I give a lot of credit to the scheme and on offense Donovan McNabb making things happen.

Redskins are the oldest team in the NFL, even after cutting 10 players who would have made that average even higher. We are simply a talent depleted team. On top of that, there is the big transition of changing schemes.

Offensively, there isn't a position i have a ton of faith in other than TE and QB. Defensively, we just don't have the 3 people up front just yet to open everything up for the linebackers. It's going to take some time to get the talent.

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Its amazing how good an O line can look passblocking with a QB that can get the ball out. They can look really bad runblocking with RBs that are too slow to hit a hole. I agree that the line needs further investment but the Skins need to get new RBs as well.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;736415]We need a fast bruiser of a back.

CP as much as I like the guy, on that 3rd and 1 that J Brown jumped of sides, the play before that CP either should have got the firstdown or he should have scored, but he kinda stumbled on his own feet again.[/quote]

yep that is CP's bread and butter move. Tripping over his own feet or someone elses feet. forgot about that play

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Natural balance - Clinton Portis doesnt have it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;736117]I think that if you want to invest anywhere look for someone special at Guard. Maybe get a slight upgrade at backup over Heyer. However I'm not to concerned with our running game. The situations haven't really worked in our favor. Last week we didn't have a whole lot of possession and this week, passing was way to easy. Once the ground game got going the Texans held on to the ball like their life depended on it.

The only really upgrades I can think of, that are worth pursuing next offseason, are a young talented back and a Trent Williams like Guard. That play though by Larry Johnson was flat out pathetic. I'd like to see more from Keiland Williams. The guy is physically a beast and has little wear and tear on him. The main thing is we don't need to give up draft picks for VJax todays game proved that. Instead we need to invest on defense and maybe on a special Running back prospect.[/quote]

That's a good summary Dirt. L. Johnson looked pretty old & CP did a couple of times too. When we were inside the 10 in the 4th CP got outside to the left but couldn't keep his balance and/or kick it up a notch to get to the edge. A young CP would've had the 1st IMO. Instead we had 3rd & 1, false start for 3rd & 6, then a blocked FG.

Not saying CP is done, he is still a big contributor, but a young rb is needed. If Williams is that guy, cool.

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Yes, our team needs to draft well and often in the next couple years. We can't give away any more draft picks. We need oline and dline help along w/ RB and WR big time. We're already short in next years draft although we got McNabb.

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[quote=Chico23231;736423]yep that is CP's bread and butter move. Tripping over his own feet or someone elses feet. forgot about that play[/quote]

someone needed to say it.

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[quote=redsk1;736440]Yes, our team needs to draft well and often in the next couple years. We can't give away any more draft picks. We need oline and dline help along w/ RB and WR big time. We're already short in next years draft although we got McNabb.[/quote]

Not just draft well. Given our lost picks, Allan needs to earn his paycheck by finding some quality UDFAs.

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Oline> QB > Dline > Cornors > Everything else, in my opinion

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[quote=mlmpetert;736631]Oline> QB > Dline > Cornors > Everything else, in my opinion[/quote]

Eh, I'd say QB> O-Line > Front 5 (for the 3-4) > Safety's > RB's > ILB's > WR's > Corners

Though it was amazing seeing the difference in protection when Heyer was out there verses when Trent was out there.

Vinny on the other hand

Pass Catchers > QB's > Corners > Safety's > D-Lineman with pretty stats > Linebackers with pretty stats > RB's > Linebackers without pretty stats > D-Lineman without pretty stats > Hot dog vendors > hookers > cheerleaders > O-Line

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If I look ahead to the 2011 draft I would say we will be tradeing out of the 1st rd in order to pick up more draft picks IMO.

HTTR.