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Kolb had 2 good ones last year

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[quote=Buster;737401]Yes. Reid will NOT be. Kolb will be a backup or traded because they overpaid him, and that's not a backup's salary.


Starting Vick IS the right move for them this season, but he's not a long-term answer like they claimed Kolb would be.

I knew Kolb would not only fail to live up to McNabb's success, but will not be a capable starter. Despite the media's and Reid's claims I've heard, he looked horrible in his chances to play. Reid benched McNabb for having a bad game, Kolb came in and played even worse against that Ravens D. He threw a 108-yard pick 6 to Reed and another INT. He finished 2008 with 0 TDs, 4 INTs and 2009 had him with 4 TD/3 INT. Even in his big game against New Orleans with 391 yards in a 48-22 loss where they abandoned the run and he attempted 51 passes, he had 2 TDs and 3 INTs. Week 1 this season looked just as bad with 5/10 for 24 yards and a fumble before the concussion. He's a 4th-year QB in the same system, he should be past these mistakes. He's not as turnover-prone as Cutler...he's more comparable to Sanchez or even Patrick Ramsey, but I think the Eagles are quickly realizing they made a gigantic blunder by thinking they could replace McNabb with Kolb. He doesn't even look capable to start, forget about going to 6 NFC Championships. (to surpass McNabb's success)

They made an even more stupid mistake by handing him $12 million guaranteed in an extension through 2011, before he did anything on the field.[/quote]

He just needs more time. They need to fix the O-Line. We need to develop him. Wait what? Sorry Campbell flashback.

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[quote=tryfuhl;737628]Kolb had 2 good ones last year[/quote]

Sure if you don't count his int's.

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[quote=Angry;737639]Sure if you don't count his int's.[/quote]

How the hell did we get McNabb?

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/22/conflicting-reports-emerge-regarding-possible-kolb-trade/]Conflicting reports emerge regarding possible Kolb trade | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Could Philly trade Kolb?

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wtf is the backup plan if so?

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Just them receiving a call doesn't mean he's necessarily available.

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WHO knows TRY? LOL Glad i'm not a eagles fan

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[quote=Dirtbag359;737650]How the hell did we get McNabb?[/quote]'Cause we paid through the roof?

One thing the Eagles simply weren't concerned about re: trading McNabb, was being caught completely without a quarterback. And they knew if they kept him for 2010 to make one last run at it, they wouldn't be able to generate a return for him. We gave them a second and a third, that's kind of a no brainer deal with their quarterback depth.

Put me down in the category of people who think that Vick simply can't perform at a level similar to McNabb in the same offense. But also, if the worst thing that happens to the Eagles this year is finding out that Kevin Kolb wasn't ready to be the object of Andy Reid's dreams, it's going to be a fairly good year for Philly fans.

The problem comes if Vick goes 1-3 in the next four weeks, then they go back to Kolb and completely waste a year for the development of their quarterbacks and receivers. That would be a disaster.

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No doubt though, that the primary reason for this move came with beating McNabb and the Redskins in mind. If Kolb is as poor of a passer under pressure as he has shown to be to date, he would really struggle against our overload schemes. Whereas Vick will play fairly neutral to what the defense is trying to do to him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;737678]'Cause we paid through the roof?

One thing the Eagles simply weren't concerned about re: trading McNabb, was being caught completely without a quarterback. And they knew if they kept him for 2010 to make one last run at it, they wouldn't be able to generate a return for him. We gave them a second and a third, that's kind of a no brainer deal with their quarterback depth.

Put me down in the category of people who think that Vick simply can't perform at a level similar to McNabb in the same offense. But also, if the worst thing that happens to the Eagles this year is finding out that Kevin Kolb wasn't ready to be the object of Andy Reid's dreams, it's going to be a fairly good year for Philly fans.

The problem comes if Vick goes 1-3 in the next four weeks, then they go back to Kolb and completely waste a year for the development of their quarterbacks and receivers. That would be a disaster.[/quote]

Wouldn't it have been a bigger disaster if they put Kolb back in this week and they went 1-3 over the next 4 weeks? Then you would have everyone wondering why they didn't just stick with the hot hand in the first place. And after every loss the media would be peppering the Eagles with Vick questions.

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[quote=GTripp0012;737678]'Cause we paid through the roof?

One thing the Eagles simply weren't concerned about re: trading McNabb, was being caught completely without a quarterback. And they knew if they kept him for 2010 to make one last run at it, they wouldn't be able to generate a return for him. We gave them a second and a third, that's kind of a no brainer deal with their quarterback depth.

Put me down in the category of people who think that Vick simply can't perform at a level similar to McNabb in the same offense. But also, if the worst thing that happens to the Eagles this year is finding out that Kevin Kolb wasn't ready to be the object of Andy Reid's dreams, it's going to be a fairly good year for Philly fans.

The problem comes if Vick goes 1-3 in the next four weeks, then they go back to Kolb and completely waste a year for the development of their quarterbacks and receivers. That would be a disaster.[/quote]

Well Reid said he was sticking with Vick because he was playing with a hot hand right now. If he looses a game because of poor play I think they pull Vick.

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I don't think Fat Andy planned on Vick being more than Mr. Wildcat. There was no competition in the offseason, so he already decided on Kolb a long time ago. Then Vick comes in and lights it up. Bascially, I think he's not good with dealing with "shocks" or surprises. He was still clinging to his "plan" and Vick came and made a mess out of it. He may still be hoping that he still implement "Plan Kolb", as I'll call it.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;737844]I don't think Fat Andy planned on Vick being more than Mr. Wildcat. There was no competition in the offseason, so he already decided on Kolb a long time ago. Then Vick comes in and lights it up. Bascially, I think he's not good with dealing with "shocks" or surprises. He was still clinging to his "plan" and Vick came and made a mess out of it.[/quote]

Bingo. The NFL is all about who's hot right now; just ask the four or five quarterbacks who just got benched. And we'll probably see a few more before the season ends. Hell, Kurt Warner just might come out of retirement before it's all over with.

Andy Reid went against his initial judgements about Vick based on the information and film he had to go on from training camp and the previous season. I think he was right in making this change sooner rather than later. The fans and the pundits will always play the what if game with McNabb vs. Vick vs. Kolb. That's what we do, but coaches have to get ready for the next opponent and field the best 22 guys to start on Sunday.

Bottom line, losing with MIke Vick based on how he's playing right now was more palatable than the prospect of losing with Kevin Kolb who doesn't appear ready for prime time. At least right now.

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[quote=firstdown;737602]Ok he has had two good games so lets not make him King Vick until a few more games.[/quote]
Huh? Why are you replying to me then?

[quote=GTripp0012;737678]The problem comes if Vick goes 1-3 in the next four weeks, then they go back to Kolb and completely waste a year for the development of their quarterbacks and receivers. That would be a disaster.
[/quote]
Would that be a waste though?
Imo Reid is taking a gamble on how far Vick has progressed as a QB.
1st year starting QBs struggle, even Aaron Rodgers.
Then you factor in a 1st year starter behind a suspect OL it doesn't sound like a recipe for winning games. (Or keeping the QB upright and confident)
But, if Vick has developed as a passer Reid probably feels like despite the OL Vick gives them a chance to win now.
And how can any coach pass up a [I][B]chance[/B][/I] to win?
That has to trump the development time for Kolb, especially since the development would be hindered by the OL weaknesses.
Imo the risk is worth it despite the outcome.
Its like the basketball saying goes you can't make the shots you don't take.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;737579]Call me crazy, but if someone put a 19Million tag on me, I would sign that in a heartbeat, and I think Vick would too.[/quote]

Yeah, he would sign it, and then they'd trade him and he'd get a new deal with his new team. His new team wouldn't take him without a new deal, so Vick would essentially be faced with riding the bench or accepting a different, longer-term, contract with another team.

However, there's always the risk that Vick is only in it for money, and wouldn't mind riding the bench for $19M. I guess it's a tougher call than I originally thought, but it worked out for the Chargers and Brees.

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[quote=12thMan;737849]Bingo. The NFL is all about who's hot right now; just ask the four or five quarterbacks who just got benched. And we'll probably see a few more before the season ends. Hell, Kurt Warner just might come out of retirement before it's all over with.

Andy Reid went against his initial judgements about Vick based on the information [B]and film he had to go on from training camp and the previous season.[/B] I think he was right in making this change sooner rather than later. The fans and the pundits will always play the what if game with McNabb vs. Vick vs. Kolb. That's what we do, but coaches have to get ready for the next opponent and field the best 22 guys to start on Sunday.

Bottom line, losing with MIke Vick based on how he's playing right now was more palatable than the prospect of losing with [B]Kevin Kolb who doesn't appear ready for prime time. [/B]At least right now.[/quote]

The Vick film from last season showed a player who was pretty washed up. Instead Vick was out of football shape and rusty.

As for KK I don't think we can say he is not ready for prime time based off hi play in one half.

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He's played more than one half in his career. That was his 13th game and He hasn't impressed.

Also:
[QUOTE][B]ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that the Eagles received "numerous calls" from "several teams" about Kevin Kolb's availability following coach Andy Reid's press conference Tuesday night.[/B]
Kolb is still very well thought of around the NFL, which bodes well for his value as a "hold" in dynasty leagues. Asked Wednesday if Kolb would be in Philly past the October 19 trade deadline, Reid replied "Listen, I can't predict anything down that far, nobody in this league can do that." The Browns are definitely interested. The Bills, Cardinals, and Raiders might be too.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5604002&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines]Philadelphia Eagles hear from several teams about Kevin Kolb, source says - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;737822]Wouldn't it have been a bigger disaster if they put Kolb back in this week and they went 1-3 over the next 4 weeks? Then you would have everyone wondering why they didn't just stick with the hot hand in the first place. And after every loss the media would be peppering the Eagles with Vick questions.[/quote]I'm specifically ignoring the media implications of the decision. If the Eagles were conscious about what the media thought of their actions, they wouldn't have traded McNabb to the Redskins.

From a developmental perspective, winning or losing with Michael Vick doesn't do very much for you. He's in the last year of a backup-quarterbacks' contract. Kolb is in the first year of his starting contract. If you thought you could win with either, you'd probably want to play Kolb. If you thought you were screwed with either, you'd probably want to play Kolb.

I'm not exactly sure what playing Michael Vick does for the Eagles. They still seem to be long-term believers in Kolb, but even still, I think they really, really are hoping that Vick plays well and they can sign him to a long term deal to make him the starter. They might feel that Vick is a more worthwhile project than Kolb.

Again, though, DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin are just wasting their time learning how to best help Michael Vick win games. Anything they learn with him at QB is practically useless when anyone else steps under center. I would trust Andy Reid with any quarterback conundrum to do the right thing, but believing in Mike Vick as a long term QB solution is just beyond the level of risk tolerance I would demonstrate as a high-stress decision maker. There's just limited evidence that Vick can be a useful cog in a passing offense.

Even from Reid's perspective, this is a highly speculative move. It's a complete 180 from the McNabb trade, which was just a big age-risk dumpoff on the Redskins.

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Little DeSean Jackson is going to have to learn run blocking downfield with Vick playing QB.

He'll be more open to getting decked and hospitalized.

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[quote=GTripp0012;737927]If you thought you could win with either, you'd probably want to play Kolb. If you thought you were screwed with either, you'd probably want to play Kolb.[/quote]

Like i said in my previous post, what if they don't agree with either of your above scenario's?
What if they think we can win now with Vick but cannot win now with Kolb, although they still have faith in him.

[quote]I'm not exactly sure what playing Michael Vick does for the Eagles.[/quote]
They may believe he gives them a chance to be competive now (in a weak NFC East) that Kolb doesn't due to youth and OL issues.
[quote]I would trust Andy Reid with any quarterback conundrum to do the right thing, but believing in Mike Vick as a long term QB solution is just beyond the level of risk tolerance I would demonstrate as a high-stress decision maker. There's just limited evidence that Vick can be a useful cog in a passing offense.[/quote]

I think the gamble that Reid is taking is wether or not Vick has developed as a passer. And if Vick has indeed improved as passer then his past performance isn't an indicator of his future performance.

[quote]Even from Reid's perspective, this is a highly speculative move. It's a complete 180 from the McNabb trade, which was just a big age-risk dumpoff on the Redskins.[/quote]

We never really know the reasoning behind McNabb being dealt, i think it was more or less forced on Reid.
Also, we have to consider that Reid himself didn't know how far Vick had progressed until he saw him play something other then wildcat in a real game.

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Maybe i'm not the football expert, but other than hurt feelings of Kevin Kolb, why isn't Vick a viable long-term solution for the Eagles at QB?

He is 30 years old, healthy, seems to have changed his ways and is now a pass-first QB, who runs as a last result. This is the exact opposite of his time in Atlanta.

He has had 2 years to rest, and has not abused his body. Still has an absolute rifle arm. Why is it so unthinkable that he could be Philly's starting QB for the next 5 seasons, maybe even more???

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To me it's pretty obvious what Vick does for the Eagles right now. They're having OL issues and he's much more mobile than Kolb, Vick is playing out of his mind, what else is there to say?

I sure as heck would feel a lot better about playing the Eagles with Kolb in there than Vick.

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2 years' rest or 2 years' setback from being out of the game? Could go either way.

We'll find out soon...the Lions aren't a big test.

I'm thinking it was what they'll get from Vick...AND an upgrade over Kolb.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;737946]Maybe i'm not the football expert, but other than hurt feelings of Kevin Kolb, why isn't Vick a viable long-term solution for the Eagles at QB?

He is 30 years old, healthy, seems to have changed his ways and is now a pass-first QB, who runs as a last result. This is the exact opposite of his time in Atlanta.

He has had 2 years to rest, and has not abused his body. Still has an absolute rifle arm. Why is it so unthinkable that he could be Philly's starting QB for the next 5 seasons, maybe even more???[/quote]The logic is simply:

1. He wasn't a viable long-term QB option age 21-29 for many different reasons;
2. Quarterbacks, as a general group, aren't viable ages 30-36;
3. An exception (meaningless here) to #2 includes those QBs we were viable between 21 and 29;

Conclusion: Vick probably isn't viable between ages 30-36.

There are always exceptions to every rule, but those exceptions aren't based on being passable for two games.

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[quote=Mattyk;737947]To me it's pretty obvious what Vick does for the Eagles right now. They're having OL issues and he's much more mobile than Kolb, Vick is playing out of his mind, what else is there to say?

I sure as heck would feel a lot better about playing the Eagles with Kolb in there than Vick.[/quote]In a way, playing Vick now sort of defers the ultimate judgment on Kolb to a day where the Eagles are more prepared to enjoy success with him. That was certainly a factor in this decision.

But with Vick in the final year on a backup's salary, there certainly is some idea here for Reid that Vick is the guy long term. To the point where he's willing to possibly never see what he had in Kolb. All of this is just very sudden and surprising. I'm not sure he's wrong, either. It just seems like, in the wake of the McNabb decision, the Eagles have completely 180'ed the direction of their organization.

Historically, the Eagles have been so stable that this decision doesn't strike me as anything but surprising. The Raiders? Yeah, you'd expect this. Not the Eagles.

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[quote=GTripp0012;737953]In a way, playing Vick now sort of defers the ultimate judgment on Kolb to a day where the Eagles are more prepared to enjoy success with him. That was certainly a factor in this decision.

But with Vick in the final year on a backup's salary, there certainly is some idea here for Reid that Vick is the guy long term. To the point where he's willing to possibly never see what he had in Kolb. All of this is just very sudden and surprising. I'm not sure he's wrong, either. It just seems like, in the wake of the McNabb decision, the Eagles have completely 180'ed the direction of their organization.

Historically, the Eagles have been so stable that this decision doesn't strike me as anything but surprising. The Raiders? Yeah, you'd expect this. Not the Eagles.[/quote]

Yeah I don't think the Eagles were counting on this, but plans can change in an instant when someone plays well enough I guess. But it's not exactly a bad spot to be in, let's say Vick plays himself into a nice new contract with the Eagles, Kolb will have plenty of teams willing to give up a decent draft pick for him in a trade.

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[quote=Mattyk;737960]Yeah I don't think the Eagles were counting on this, but plans can change in an instant when someone plays well enough I guess. But it's not exactly a bad spot to be in, let's say Vick plays himself into a nice new contract with the Eagles, Kolb will have plenty of teams willing to give up a decent draft pick for him in a trade.[/quote]Decent enough to trade him and test the backup market for someone who would, inevitably at some point, become a major part of their offense?

Even if Vick does play at a much improved level, it seems impossible to think he would suddenly turn into a guy who doesn't miss any time. Even the Falcons had a developing Schaub behind him.

What kind of return would Kolb have to bring to make him worth giving up? Something like McNabb brought, at least, I would think. And who would do that in the same year that McNabb set the market?

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[quote=GTripp0012;737966]Decent enough to trade him and test the backup market for someone who would, inevitably at some point, become a major part of their offense?

Even if Vick does play at a much improved level, it seems impossible to think he would suddenly turn into a guy who doesn't miss any time. Even the Falcons had a developing Schaub behind him.

What kind of return would Kolb have to bring to make him worth giving up? Something like McNabb brought, at least, I would think. And who would do that in the same year that McNabb set the market?[/quote]

So I'm guessing you would have gone back to Kolb?

Do you think this was really Reid's call? I'm kinda thinking it wasn't. Along the lines of dealing away #5.

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I'll bet Kolb will garner the interest of quite a few teams.

Minny, for one, as Favre may be gone. It would be hilarious to see Childress's draft love(Tarvaris) vs. Fat Andy's.

Oakland...just because...

Bills... but Ralph Wilson is a little flakey.

Carolina...Just in case

Arizona...Derek Anderson is not a long-term answer

Browns...longshot according to my intuition.

Jacksonville: David Garrard, hmm, yes, David Garrard. Who is he again?

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Maybe we bring Kolb here to back up #5?

(i keed, i keed)

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;737998]I'll bet Kolb will garner the interest of quite a few teams.

Minny, for one, as Favre may be gone. It would be hilarious to see Childress's draft love(Tarvaris) vs. Fat Andy's.

Oakland...just because...

Bills... but Ralph Wilson is a little flakey.

Carolina...Just in case

Arizona...Derek Anderson is not a long-term answer

Browns...longshot according to my intuition.

Jacksonville: David Garrard, hmm, yes, David Garrard. Who is he again?[/quote]

Arizona and Cleveland. Of course if money is involved count out Arizona entirely.

I mean look at him. Guy is so cheap, he won't even spring for a tie.
[IMG]http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/6/2/3/e298/j350/PHP49717608B8326.jpg[/IMG]
(Cardinals Owner DollarBill Bidwell)

This is one of my favorite stories about Dollar Bill.
[quote]Cheap? Google Bidwill's name and the word "cheap." You'll be astounded at what you see. Stories of him forcing Cardinals rookies to buy their own cleats. Stories of him shocking his players in 1989 with a decent post-practice meal, and then shocking his players even more when they got their paycheck and saw the cost of lunch had been deducted, every day, from their paycheck.
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11306770/rss]Super Bowl won't change cheap, losing legacy of 'Dollar Bill' - CBSSports.com[/url]
[/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;738003]Maybe we bring Kolb here to back up #5?

(i keed, i keed)[/quote]

When he's humiliated 3 years from now and Sexy Rexy retires after getting his ring. :D

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[quote=Mattyk;737994]So I'm guessing you would have gone back to Kolb?

Do you think this was really Reid's call? I'm kinda thinking it wasn't. Along the lines of dealing away #5.[/quote]I would have, but again, due to risk aversion, not because I have a strong opinion that he's the better quarterback.

It has to be Reid's call.

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If Kolb gets traded, Kolb will feel like that average-looking chick who thought she found a character guy(she's known him for many years) to marry only to find out he's been banging a hot girl the week before they are wed.

THE ABOVE STATEMENT DOES NOT APPLY IF REID IS NOT TRYING TO TRADE HIM.

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I think the call came from upstairs and has less to do about winning games and more about ticket sales and Vick jerseys.

Vick's is one of the top-selling jerseys, after all.

He is an exciting player. I don't think he's a very good quarterback, but he is an amazing athlete and the Eagles could win with him under center. They'd have to retool their offense more to his skill-set. I don't think the West Coast offense fits what he's capable of, since it relies on quick decision-making and quick, accurate passes. He's not very accurate.

The local sports talk has been nuts over this, which seems odd since this is 'Skins territory. It's about split in opinion as to whether this is a good idea. Most of those supporting Vick as the starter tend to ignore that he's not a very accurate passer or they excuse his low completion percentage by claiming he didn't have anybody to throw to in Atlanta. But every receiver in Atlanta that Vick had, put up better numbers with Schaub and Ryan throwing to them, with the Schaub numbers coming while Vick was still on the team. IOW, the receivers didn't get better, the passing did. So, if you're going to win with Vick, it won't be his arm that does it. At least not consistently.

Kolb's career numbers, albeit a small sample, aren't bad. He's the first QB in the history of the NFL to throw for over 300 yards in his first two starts. But the comparison isn't really who is the better QB over a career, or even who is going to be the better QB. It's who has a better chance of leading the Eagles to success [B][I]now[/I][/B]. That might well be Vick, given that the Eagles lost their center in Week 1 and an All Pro fullback this past week. The Eagles QB - whoever it is - is going to have to do a lot of running. And that's right in Vick's wheelhouse.

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Kolb tossed his 300+ yard games against New Orleans and Kansas City, defenses that were soft against the pass.

Eagles' O-line is in shambles. Vick helps them out because the rushers won't go hyper-aggressive on him.

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It was obvious the decision came from above reid since the decision to start Vick came so quickly.

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Who woulda thunk the McNabb trade would open the door for Michael the Vick Experience?

I have no clue on how our d is going to contain him next week. None at all.

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Andy Reid caught lightning in a bottle. Vick is playing like a top-5 QB. I dread facing him with our pathetic D.