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[quote=SolidSnake84;743537]they want to trade thomas. why not try and use devin thomas in a trade to get Brandon Jacobs? He is unhappy in NY. He could come in and be a playmaker right away...let him and Torain split carries and we have a good tandem...[/quote]

we could finagle jacobs but it would require a multi team trade the giants have depth at receiver. plus they would want a back in return. maybe lynch to the giants thomas to the bills jacobs to the skins.

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Jacobs blows, plus he would be a horrible fit in this zone scheme.

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[quote=Mattyk;743541]Jacobs blows, plus he would be a horrible fit in this zone scheme.[/quote]

and he fumbles.

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[quote=Mattyk;743438]He's much more of a team first guy than people seem to think.[/quote]

I agree. He will do what his coaches ask, always has always will and, usually, without too much of a fuss. At the same time, there has always been an understanding that he is "The Guy". One of the attributes that makes (made) him a great player is that he believes he is one of the best. I don't think that's true anymore. I don't think anyone believes that anymore - except CP. I am just not sure he can step down from that and acknowledge that someone else on the team can play his position better.

I freely admit I may be dead wrong on this, it just a feeling I have.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;743546]I agree. He will do what his coaches ask, always has always will and, usually, without too much of a fuss. At the same time, there has always been an understanding that he is "The Guy". One of the attributes that makes (made) him a great player is that he believes he is one of the best. I don't think that's true anymore. I don't think anyone believes that anymore - except CP. I am just not sure he can step down from that and acknowledge that someone else on the team can play his position better.

I freely admit I may be dead wrong on this, it just a feeling I have.[/quote]

No, it was a yearly affair of whether he would play in preseason games. In games and in his head, he always give max effort, but he didn't mind half-assing it through practice, which in turn leads to weaker chemistry with the o-line. Portis doesn't do well when he is the unquestionable starter. He took full advantage of his "entitled" state.

He was utter crap last year. This year, they kept on prodding him under his ass with LJ and now Torain, and he was finally running well and like he gave a damn.

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Did I miss something? I thought Torain was supposed to carry the bulk of the load and Portis be the 3rd down back for passing situations. K.Williams was picked up by us because he was supposed to be pretty good. I thought Torain was picked up by Shanahan while he was actually in Denver, then Torain was cut by Denver and we picked him up because he knew the system and Shanahan liked him.

So in a nutshell don't we have 2 good RB's in Torain and Williams and I have not even started talking about Simpson who ran pretty good in preseason in Buffalo before getting cut.

Can we not see what we have in Torain and Williams as a duo and maybe spot Simpson a couple of carries to see how he will handle it before we start talking about trading people away for other teams RB's or trading for draft picks in order to pick up a RB?

I'd rather the team use what we have and if need be put a FB in the back field to block then to start casting people off to pick up a RB who would not be used until he learned the scheme. If they don't want to use Simpson and don't trust Sellers to block well enough then bring up the FB from the PS they have and see if he understands the blocking scheme's.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;743550]No, it was a yearly affair of whether he would play in preseason games. In games and in his head, he always give max effort, but he didn't mind half-assing it through practice, which in turn leads to weaker chemistry with the o-line. Portis doesn't do well when he is the unquestionable starter. He took full advantage of his "entitled" state.

He was utter crap last year. This year, they kept on prodding him under his ass with LJ and now Torain, and he was finally running well and like he gave a damn.[/quote]

Hate to break the new to you but everyone was utter crap last yr. I'm leaning toward the fact that the HC was utter crap along with his scheme.

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[quote=cowboy h8er;743539]we could finagle jacobs but it would require a multi team trade the giants have depth at receiver. plus they would want a back in return. maybe lynch to the giants thomas to the bills jacobs to the skins.[/quote]

Why would we want to?


He's an overpaid, banged-up backup. There is no market for him, let alone value meriting a multi-team trade. The Giants only way of moving him is cutting him, mainly because of his contract, additionally because of his recent performance.

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[quote=12thMan;743534]Okay, it looks like Portis will be out for a while. It's sounding more and more like 3 weeks, maybe more.[/quote]

Based on????

Were you at the MRI? I've heard nothing about it.


Portis was saying he doesn't think the team will let him play Sunday, meaning, he thinks he could.

I say he'll miss this week and have a limited role against the Colts. Sure he could re-injure it but I think he'll be back after this week.

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[quote=SBXVII;743572]Hate to break the new to you but everyone was utter crap last yr. I'm leaning toward the fact that the HC was utter crap along with his scheme.[/quote]

Doesn't excuse his lousy approach to practice. Betts and Cartwright made mention of it. He had good years for us, no doubt, but I believe that they would have been even more amazing if there someone behind him that actually would have intimidated him just a little. Sadly, too little too late.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;743587]Doesn't excuse his lousy approach to practice. Betts and Cartwright made mention of it. He had good years for us, no doubt, but I believe that they would have been even more amazing if there someone behind him that actually would have intimidated him just a little. Sadly, too little too late.[/quote]

So you think that a guy with 40 some carries in 2 years is now pushing CP.:pffff:

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;743587]Doesn't excuse his lousy approach to practice. Betts and Cartwright made mention of it. He had good years for us, no doubt, but I believe that they would have been even more amazing if there someone behind him that actually would have intimidated him just a little. Sadly, too little too late.[/quote]

Betts isn't really someone who should be making comments about someone's lousy approach to practice...and that's all I'm going to say about that

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[quote=SmootSmack;743663]Betts isn't really someone who should be making comments about someone's lousy approach to practice...and that's all I'm going to say about that[/quote]

I don't ever remember Betts commenting on CP and if he did I'm sure some here would have started a thread on that.

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[quote=firstdown;743660]So you think that a guy with 40 some carries in 2 years is now pushing CP.:blah:[/quote]

Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...

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Rabach is the final piece to be replaced.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]

Everything I ever heard or read was that LJ and Parker both were fighting for the job behind CP.

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[quote=Buster;743670]Rabach is the final piece to be replaced.[/quote]

Here's hoping. God Rabach is awful.

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[quote=firstdown;743660]So you think that a guy with 40 some carries in 2 years is now pushing CP.:pffff:[/quote]

You do realize that before stats gets logged, there's talent to be had? If we were to take your ridiculous premise to the extreme, everyone without a consistent stat line sucks and everyone with stats are good, even the retired Jerry Rice. Larry Johnson>Jamaal Charles? In your world, yes.

Torain broke some good runs and showed good vision. Plus, Portis was pulled for him by Shanahan. They may have blamed it on the injury, but knowing Portis, you know that he wasn't going to take this lightly. So hell yeah, Torain pushed him.


Oh, and for those 40 carries, he's averaging 4.6 yards a pop.

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[quote=firstdown;743675]Everything I ever heard or read was that LJ and Parker both were fighting for the job behind CP.[/quote]

LJ was one of those practice wonders. That's why he made the team. The training camp reports always reported him running full speed and finishing runs. He was cut because he wasn't a "gamer". He also displayed a good attitude, like asking to even play against the third-stringers to try and make the team. Obviously, you aren't going to win against this approach unless you adopt it yourself. Portis played in the preseason without a peep. He slimmed down, etc.

You know how Shanahan can bring down the discipline, like with what he did after Cooley's comments. A player who doesn't practice won't play is one of his mantras that he rarely deviates from, as we all know from the Haynesworth affair.

Obviously, that would motivate Portis to run just as hard. NFL Players view each other differently than outsiders. They're a like fraternity. Portis likely had respect for both Parker's and Johnson's track records.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. [B]It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.[/B]

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]


Do you actually have evidence of this? And please don't use the example of not playing in the preseason, because there was good reason for him not playing in preseason after he had gotten injured.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year [B]due to his salary[/B] and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]

Do you mean because this is the last year of his guaranteed $? That could be the case, but that could also be the reason he stays - he won't cost as much. I don't know the details of his contract but if he's still under contract next year at a reasonable price, keep him as a 3rd down back & draft a young rb (or 2) to go w/he & Torain, maybe Williams.

Now that Shanny has gotten him to work, CP as a 3rd down back would be ideal, and they won't be likely to find anyone to fill that role next year in the draft.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;743665]Somebody hit the nail on the head earlier. It was Joe Gibbs' fault that he gave Portis "star treatment", meaning he didnt have to practice, work out, or do anything except just enough.

This year was the first in a long while that Portis had to WORK to keep his job. Larry Johnson and Parker both were pushing him. I dont care what people said.

Portis knew that it was shape up or ship out. Shanahan let him go in Denver because of a salary/holdout threat, and so CP knew he couldnt get away with it again here.

Bottom line is, we are probably seeing Portis final run as a redskin. He is the last piece from the old regime that needs replaced. he wont be here next year due to his salary and the fact that this is his 3rd season in a row where he has missed games due to injury...[/quote]

It now seems to me that looking back on it Gibbs was Danny & Vinny's enabler. He gave an air of legitimacy to a lot of the crazy personnel moves they made.

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not to derail this thread...but does anyone know the outcome of Portis's MRI?

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[quote=irish;743853]It now seems to me that looking back on it Gibbs was Danny & Vinny's enabler. He gave an air of legitimacy to a lot of the crazy personnel moves they made.[/quote]

Guess that could be the case, but my impression of the relationship was always that Gibbs made personel decisions but Vinny was the executor of the deals. This explains why so many draft picks went out the door during Gibbs II & during the Zorn years. e.g. it wasn't so bad that Vinny got Jason Taylor, but for a 2nd & 6th that was a steep price to pay. All the trades during Gibbs' time were lopsided & not in our favor.

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[quote=freddyg12;743862]Guess that could be the case, but my impression of the relationship was always that Gibbs made personel decisions but Vinny was the executor of the deals. This explains why so many draft picks went out the door during Gibbs II & during the Zorn years. e.g. it wasn't so bad that Vinny got Jason Taylor, but for a 2nd & 6th that was a steep price to pay. All the trades during Gibbs' time were lopsided & not in our favor.[/quote]

Gibbs had the final say. Period. Remember Desmond Howard? Gibbs took the blame for that move. We traded away a freaking 6th and 28th pick in the first round for a colossal bust.

Gibbs also said he didn't trust the draft. Not exactly his own words because I can't find the direct quote, but that's the gist of it.

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[quote=mredskins;743854]not to derail this thread...but does anyone know the outcome of Portis's MRI?[/quote]

You've got some nerve trying to derail this thread back to its original topic!

Haven't heard anything

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We've added a running back to the practice squad

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116614]Javarris James, Miami (Fla.), NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

Was with New England

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[quote=SmootSmack;743902]We've added a running back to the practice squad

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116614]Javarris James, Miami (Fla.), NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

Was with New England[/quote]

Lets hope he brings Edgerrin James type skills

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Here's a link to the news

[url=http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-skins/2010/10/redskins-bring-back-keiland-williams-add-javarris-james-2742.html]Redskins bring back Keiland Williams, add Javarris James - @TBD Skins | TBD.com[/url]

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Media is saying right now that the skins aren't being honest to the extent of Portis' injury.

2 Sources, ESPN, and PFT are saying that Portis is likely out for the year.

You'd have to think so, being that they brought back 1 RB and signed another one. I think Portis is going to miss serious time either way.

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It's ESPN 980 saying it I believe, not ESPN. If we are, I haven't heard it. Just want to make the distinction because it may be some of the local reporters who happen to be on an ESPN radio affiliate saying it. But it's not technically ESPN reporting it. Not a big deal, just clarifying.

My opinion is he misses the next two weeks and then they'll re-evaluate

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[quote=SolidSnake84;743923]Media is saying right now that the skins aren't being honest to the extent of Portis' injury.

2 Sources, ESPN, and PFT are saying that Portis is likely out for the year.

You'd have to think so, being that they brought back 1 RB and signed another one. I think Portis is going to miss serious time either way.[/quote]

If he is done for the year, he's most likely done as a Redskin...Solid I know your secretly happy.

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[quote=Chico23231;743932]If he is done for the year, he's most likely done as a Redskin...Solid I know your secretly happy.[/quote]

I let it go with Portis this season, mostly because he seemed like he was a changed person in regards to committment and practice habits.

I wont let my feelings about him cloud the fact that for a time, he was a major contributor to our offense, and also for a time, he was one of our marquee players.

But that time is past, he knows it (Portis) and we know it. Its a shame that his attitude problems and other indiscretions make me (and many other fans, im sure) overlook Portis' contributions to the team and instead remember him because of the negative and controversial things.

I guess Riggo's record is safe. For Now.

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It's all about what you choose to remember him for. Good and bad, CP is a Redskin that always plays hard on Sundays. He was a key contributor to the two playoff seasons under Gibbs.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;743923]Media is saying right now that the skins aren't being honest to the extent of Portis' injury.

[B]2 Sources, ESPN, and PFT are saying that Portis is likely out for the year.[/B]

You'd have to think so, being that they brought back 1 RB and signed another one. I think Portis is going to miss serious time either way.[/quote]

I think this would be all over the place if it were true. And I don't trust the ESPN980 crew on breaking news anyway.

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Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen anything on PFT or ESPN saying he's out for the year. Links anyone?

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Latest is he's probably out until the bye, just got an email about it.

re: Portis heard his groin "pop" (out 4-6 weeks)
 

I think Shanahan is saying 4-6 weeks now, which makes sense if what I'm hearing is he could return after the bye week (5 weeks from now)

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The last thing i saw was Portis giving an interview with 980, where he said he thought he'd miss a couple games, and even then he wont return to the lineup until he knows he is 100% healthy. He is basically saying he wont chance it by playing hurt...

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3rd degree separation of the groin (don't know what that means exactly but any separation of the groin from the bone sound awful!). Out 4-6 weeks. Official now. Link coming shortly I'm sure