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By the way, Campbell is having a great game today.

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[quote=SportsFanatic;754328]The mcnabb of 2004/05 would found a way to seal the win for his team but it's been evident since the beginning of the month that he is no longer the player he used to be. Too many interceptions and he is not throwing as many TD passes. He has been bailed out by the defense in the Eagles Game, Packers Game, and the Bears game. I wasn't expcting to be benched with the team only down 6 for Rex Grossman but he is clearly not the same guy. This team is damm lucky to be 4-4 because they could easily be 2-6.[/quote]

McNabb is not done!
He also is not as nearly bad as you are at creating a ridiculous thread like this one. Talk about an overreaction.
McNabb was running for his life from a very good d-line. Detroit is not the pushovers they used to be.
We were 4-12 last year. 4-4 right now is not as bad as you think considering where we were as a team less than a year ago.
McNabb is not the problem...the impatience of Redskins fans is the problem.

[B][U]BREAKING NEWS: [/U][/B]we are not going to the Super Bowl this year. Get used that idea. We are building a good team. It take a year or two.
The sooner you deal with reality...the sooner you will not create threads like this one.

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[quote=Mattyk;754488]I think it was a desperation move to the bullpen just looking for a spark, and perhaps to light a fire under DM's ass, still doesn't make much sense to me though. McNabb is still clearly the best QB on the roster, gotta live and die with him.[/quote]

I've always wondered why it is a big issue to pull a QB in an NFL game but to pull a pitcher in a MLB game is common. Same issues apply. Your starter is always your best player. If neither is accurate or reading adjustments made by opponents they should be pulled. Sometimes you just don't have it.

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McNabb didn't make throws when he had to... but he was running scared and you would be too if you had zero confidence in the OL which is about right. Suh and Vanden Bosch were men among boys today, Rabach and Lichtensteiger would probably not start on any other team and receivers again dropped passes which were tough but really need to be pulled in. I will say that the pass into triple coverage was all McNabb.

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[quote=SportsFanatic;754475]That INT was still the reason they lost the game. Yes the O-line is crappy but that INT was the deal breaker[/quote]

No it wasn't. There was plenty of time left, we weren't down by that much, and we still could've won. You're just looking for reasons to blame McNabb.

I'm not going to defend his pick, it was a retarded decision to throw the ball into a crowd with 3 defenders, but there was still a chance to win it after that.

The game was over when the offensive line allowed their d-line to strip sack Grossman and it got returned for a touchdown.

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[quote=Defensewins;754504]McNabb is not done!
He also is not as nearly bad as you are at creating a ridiculous thread like this one. Talk about an overreaction.
McNabb was running for his life from a very good d-line. Detroit is not the pushovers they used to be.
We were 4-12 last year. 4-4 right now is not as bad as you think considering where we were as a team less than a year ago.
[B]McNabb is not the problem[/B]...the impatience of Redskins fans is the problem.
[/quote]

Seriously, that's why I said all the talk about going 10-6 and winning the division was ridiculous. This team is rebuilding and you are going to have ups and downs. We have hung around with some good teams and were due for a pretty decisive beating -- hopefully we keep building, have a good draft, keep developing players etc. and build a contender for the future.

One huge positive: Brandon Banks is electric, he almost ran three back for TDs today, one got called back for the illegal block and in the other one he just tripped (or something, right?). I hope he turns out to be a huge spark plug for our return game.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;754496]By the way, Campbell is having a great game today.[/quote]

310 2tds, no picks. Good for Jason. I don't think he'd be doing any better or any worse than McNabb here in DC this year given the current state our line, running backs, and receivers.

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Just echo the rest of the thread: Mcnabb wasn't the reason for the loss. The OL was horrible and was the reason we lost. Sure the passes were pretty bad but when u get hit on every play that happens. Mcnabb's legs kept us in this game if anything. I also would be willing to bet that Mcnabb would've held onto the ball that Grossman fumbled.

I really can't understand Shannahans reasoning at the end of the game. U pull a QB that has played 95% of the game in favor of a QB that isn't even warmed up? We brought Mcnabb in to lead this team. Y pull him with 1:39 left in the game. Grossman certainly wasn't the answer........

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[quote=44ever;754494]When the Eagles benched him, he came back really strong. I agree with some others that the O-line needs some "tuning" Can't expect DM to do it all.[/quote]

Yes, but the difference is when they benched him it wasn't in a contract year. We don't know if there's going to be a franchise tag next year so there's a decent chance that we'll have traded a 2nd and 4th round pick to a division rival for a one year rental.

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Maybe they benched him as leverage to contract talks so they don't have to over pay him ;)

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With the performance of the OL the past few weeks i'd be ready to jet if I was Mcnabb.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;754509]One huge positive: Brandon Banks is electric, he almost ran three back for TDs today, one got called back for the illegal block and in the other one he just tripped (or something, right?). I hope he turns out to be a huge spark plug for our return game.[/quote]

Turns out to be? I think it's safe to say he's already a huge spark in our return game. The kid is incredible.

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Anyone who knows football's got to admit the OL was horrible today and has been the majority of this year. McNabb's made a bunch of good plays in spite of them. Today, he couldn't, but not many QB's could have. The OL was bad.

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[quote=Mattyk;754522]Turns out to be? I think it's safe to say he's already a huge spark in our return game. The kid is incredible.[/quote]

He's our best weapon by far right now.

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Exactly, Peyton Manning would have sucked behind our line today. Not to mention Donovan has an inadequate WR still to throw to. AA is a keeper, and a good threat, but the fossils that also make up our WR corp need to go. They are roster spot wastes of space. Give Austin a call up and put him on the active roster during the bye. That might alleviate some pressure for Donovan if another speedster is out there.

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Benching McNabb was one of the worst coaching decisions I have seen in some time. It was Zornesque. If I am a player on that team--it raises some real questions about Shanny's decision making. I don't care if Grossman knows the offense better--to take a cold QB off the bench in the last two minutes is a complete lack of confidence in McNabb and awful/team destructive decision. I also indicates that K Shanny has not does his job to coach up McNabb on the two minute offense. I mean it's week 8! Either the player is not that good or the coaching is not that good. Right now I have a hard time believing it is McNabb's fault.

Kyle Shanahan is not adjusting well to the player's he currently has on this team. All the skill positions (and O line) are of lesser quality than what he had at Houston (although Cooley is probably a slightly better than Daniels). He needs to figure this out during the bye week...

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[quote=GMScud;754525]He's our best weapon by far right now.[/quote]

Seriously.... every time the Lions scored, I was like , oh well at least I can watch Banks agian for a play

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[quote=NYCSkin;754527]Benching McNabb was one of the worst coaching decisions I have seen in some time. It was Zornesque. If I am a player on that team--it raises some real questions about Shanny's decision making. I don't care if Grossman knows the offense better--to take a cold QB off the bench in the last two minutes is a complete lack of confidence in McNabb and awful/team destructive decision. I also indicates that K Shanny has not does his job to coach up McNabb on the two minute offense. I mean it's week 8! Either the player is not that good or the coaching is not that good. Right now I have a hard time believing it is McNabb's fault.

Kyle Shanahan is not adjusting well to the player's he currently has on this team. All the skill positions (and O line) are of lesser quality than what he had at Houston (although Cooley is probably a slightly better than Daniels). He needs to figure this out during the bye week...[/quote]

That is a lot to gleen from a staff you have never met, people you don't know and a game I presume you have never participated in at the pro level?
based on one....arbitrary act??

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i mean....don't they practice against AH?......

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[quote=redsk1;754524]Anyone who knows football's got to admit the OL was horrible today and has been the majority of this year. McNabb's made a bunch of good plays in spite of them. Today, he couldn't, but not many QB's could have. The OL was bad.[/quote]

I agree with you and would add a few things. I consider some of the sacks that he avoided to be big plays. Also, he had that 35 yard run. I was moderately impressed, quite impressed at times, with his performance today except for that one pick.

I just don't think it can be said, like some have, that just because a pick occurs in the 4th quarter, in the final few minutes of the game, that it is the sole reason we lost, especially since we got the ball back with enough time to score.

^Run-on Sentence

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[quote=Hog1;754533]That is a lot to gleen from a staff you have never met, people you don't know and a game I presume you have never participated in at the pro level?
based on one....arbitrary act??[/quote]


He isn't so far off the mark or off the wall. The best coaches are the ones who can adapt their system to the players he has to work with and utilize there strengths in the best possible manner. Maybe Kyle isn't doing that as much as he could.

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[quote=Hog1;754533]That is a lot to gleen from a staff you have never met, people you don't know and a game I presume you have never participated in at the pro level?
based on one....arbitrary act??[/quote]

Well said

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[quote=GusFrerotte;754553]He isn't so far off the mark or off the wall. The best coaches are the ones who can adapt their system to the players he has to work with and utilize there strengths in the best possible manner. Maybe Kyle isn't doing that as much as he could.[/quote]

Actually I think it is complete nonsense. He makes about 48 assumptions on an act that more likely was made "looking for a spark" (as has been mentioned), or to get DM's attention.
Dude is getting sloppy. AND that DOES NOT mean I think DM lost the game for us.
Indicting the coaching staff based on this stuff......is childish.

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[quote=SportsFanatic;754367]I will never forget this statement from Joe Theismann

"As a NFL QB you don't have to be the reason your team won the game, but you damm sure can't be the reason your team lost the game"

And Mcnabb was the reason[/quote]
Your football ignorance is really showing or your drunk.

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The fact is Shanahan has been doing it with smoke and mirrors all season long. When it worked, it appeared as though we had some sleepers [on the roster] who might be keepers. When it didn't, particularly along the offensive line and at wide receiver, those deficiencies were glaring and obvious.

This Redskins team have one legitimate starting caliber lineman along the offensive front, and that's Trent Williams. The rest of the bums are probably back-ups on most, if not all, NFL rosters. Every single one of them.

From a fan's perspective, the question is has Shanahan and Co. done everything in their power to put this team in the best position to compete and win? On most days, the answer is probably yes. But there have been some head scratchers in terms of personnel decisions along the way: The Haynesworth love hate game. Devin Thomas, if not a bona-fide threat, certainly a physical talent being released in favor of a cadre of training camp rejects. Then benching and de-activating Derrick Dockery in favor of Lichensteiger (or whatever the hell is name is), for what appears to be Dockery either not grasping or fitting the system properly. Sure Derrick Dockery is no Pro-Bowler but, really, you don't even suit up Dockery for the game as you watch the Lions pin McNabb to the turf every other play? The coaches obviously knows what's best, but have some of these moves and decisions come at the expense of fielding the best 53? Truth is we may never really know the answer to that question, but it's a question that must be asked nonetheless.

Thus far this season has come down to some gutsy performances by a very inconsistent, and at times struggling, Donovan McNabb [I]and[/I] a handful of all star, individual performances. In other words, the coaching staff, while dramitically better than last year's version, has rarely outcoached the other side this year. It's been all left up to the talent on the field.

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i really wish that dockery would get back in the starting lineup. cant be much worse than what we already have. also, rabach is killing us. stepping on mcnabb 2 times, lots of holding calls, getting overpowered, etc.

mcnabb didnt play a great game, but the o-line and dumb penalties lost us this game (offsides on the field goal attempt, instead of 3 they got 7)

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Yeah that penalty on the FG was killer. We had too many shoot ourselves in the foot type plays. Eventually they become too tough to overcome.

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I'm amazed they kept Rabach...that guy is so past his prime it's absurd. Trent Williams did okay, probably not his best day, but an average performance. But compared to the rest of the line he is a pro-bowler.

OL still has to be fixed. Is that really big news? But we have to keep things in perspective, we started over this past offseason so it is going to take a year or two to become decent. Hopefully we learn something from this debacle and continue to improve.

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[quote=Hog1;754533]That is a lot to gleen from a staff you have never met, people you don't know and a game I presume you have never participated in at the pro level?
based on one....arbitrary act??[/quote]

That's what most folks do on forums like this--opine on things that they likely have not done, on people they have not met. If the forum was confined to those who meet the coaches and play the game then I imagine it would be a pretty silent forum.

And it was NOT an arbitrary act. Quite the contrary--Shanahan explained his deliberate reasoning behind it. Which I disagree with. Why do I disagree with it? Because McNabb has offered me evidence of his abilities over the past 12 years as has Grossman over his career. Coupled with the fact that Grossman was cold and the fact that a decision like this typically confuses a team (which many of the Skins' postgame comments seem to already hint to)--this leads me to form my opinion.

But what do I know. I didn't play or coach football. Just like Todd Haley...

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Hate to use an old warpath-cliche but "Was McNabb responsible for covering megatron?" I have not been impressed with D Mac this year, and I thought he looked horrendous. But... there's not a qb in the league that can play well with the kind of pressure #5 faced today. If i were mike shanahan, each of our interior linemen would be taking a bus home, wouldn't even allow them on the team plane.

If Shanahan wants to switch to Rex, I'm ok with it, but I think the timing of the move was very odd. Last two minutes, with a chance to win is not the time to do make that call. When you factor in that we are heading into a bye week... makes no sense. I really don't like the "Grossman knows the 2 minute offense better than McNabb" excuse either, if anything, the playbook is thinner running the 2 minute drill...

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[quote=Alvin Walton;754354]The O-Line was so pathetic it didnt matter who the QB was.
Do you even watch the game?[/quote]

I definetly see why Philly let Mc5 go in a trade to a division opponent and why Denver fired Shanny's ass. Some of us actually believed WE fleeced the Eagles! Some of Mc5's suckage has NOTHING to do with the o-line.

McNabb or Bust
 

For those who are ready to dump McNabb for Grossman in week 8 after an embarrassing O-line performance allowing 5 sacks and God knows how many hurried passes, you need to understand why we are 4-4 going into the bye week. As someone mentioned in another thread, it is too late in the day to argue whether McNabb is the answer in the future for the Redskins. He has proven he can throw 50+ yards in completions more than any QB this year with a new team made up of castaways, rejects, some promising rookies and no real possession Receiver. McNabb needs more than anything pass protection and a playmaker when plays aren't there. This has plagued this team for 10 seasons and still has not been resolved. The bye week should give Terrance Alston some play time and de-activate Joey Galloway. Portis will hopefully return against the Eagles and provide pass protection for a deficient line. McNabb will get it done in time.

Re: McNabb or Bust
 

We don't really need another thread on this

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Pulling McNabb after that interception and then giving the ball to Grossman is like telling aceinthehouse not to start any more threads then handing the laptop to sportsfanatic.

Seriously though, D Mac should start but I can't blame Rex for that fumble really

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i feel like this thread in time will look much like the LL is bust thread, can't wait for that day!

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[quote=NYCSkin;754579]That's what most folks do on forums like this--opine on things that they likely have not done, on people they have not met. If the forum was confined to those who meet the coaches and play the game then I imagine it would be a pretty silent forum.

And it was NOT an arbitrary act. Quite the contrary--Shanahan explained his deliberate reasoning behind it. Which I disagree with. Why do I disagree with it? Because McNabb has offered me evidence of his abilities over the past 12 years as has Grossman over his career. Coupled with the fact that Grossman was cold and the fact that a decision like this typically confuses a team (which many of the Skins' postgame comments seem to already hint to)--this leads me to form my opinion.

But what do I know. I didn't play or coach football. Just like Todd Haley...[/quote]

Your indictments of the coaching staff based on nothing but idle speculation is silly.

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[quote=Hog1;754604]Your indictments of the coaching staff based on nothing but idle speculation is silly.[/quote]

Touche. I'll just remain on my side of the fence with those that are also very critical of today's awful coaching decision: Tony Dungy, Rodney Harrison, Trevor Matich, Brian Mitchell, Antonio Freeman, John Riggins. I even think some of them coached and played...

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[quote=Hog1;754555]Actually I think it is complete nonsense. He makes about 48 assumptions on an act that more likely was made "looking for a spark" (as has been mentioned), or to get DM's attention.
Dude is getting sloppy. AND that DOES NOT mean I think DM lost the game for us.
Indicting the coaching staff based on this stuff......is childish.[/quote]


Not really. The offense has sucked so far. I know a lot is the line, but the last few games it looks disjointed, no fluid rhythm yet. I mean aren't the coaches the ones that will do the actual tinkering to get things right? They need to make adjustments according to what they have personnel wise, so I don't think his prior comment was totally whack. Mike/ Kyle are the ones that are charged with getting the offense straightened out, and if it is a problem with execution, then Mike/Kyle needs to make the corresponding personnel changes. Piss poor play and play calling both can be laid at the feet of the coaching staff. That is why after a crappy season or seasons the coaching staffs are the ones that get the boot.

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Did anyone else read Kyle Shan's lips like he said, "What is he doing- What is that? when McNabb called or setup the play wrong?

This game is a nightmare to sit on for 2 weeks. Im horrified that coach feels Rex is more reliable to run a 2 minute game winning drive over DM.

Where do we go from here? Rex can't be the future- Im not even thrilled for him to be plan B but what Free Agents will be on the market next year?

We needed Torrain bad- Im eager to hear how he is recovering.

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The thing about Rex being the better option for the 2 minute drill is BS. It's an excuse, don't look too far into it. DM got benched, simple as that.