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[quote=skinsfan69;825679][B]Fans don't care how much money the league makes. We care about the actual games.[/B] Under his watch too many games are being decided by calls. Too many game changing flags are being thrown. Guys are being fined ridiculous amounts of money. In that area he's done a terrible job. Goodell seems obsessed with fining guys and making a collision sport too safe of a sport.[/quote]

Yeah. The WWE makes TONS of money, maybe the NFL should be more like them?

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[quote=skinsfan69;825679]Fans don't care how much money the league makes. We care about the actual games. Under his watch too many games are being decided by calls. Too many game changing flags are being thrown. Guys are being fined ridiculous amounts of money. In that area he's done a terrible job. Goodell seems obsessed with fining guys and making a collision sport too safe of a sport.[/quote]

Excuse me, but the folks who hire Roger Goodell care a whole lot about making money. In fact, that is the ONLY reason that there is an NFL in the first place. If Roger Goodell wer the biggest fan-favorite executive ever in the history of sports but he oversaw the NFL as revenues went into the tank, he would be fired in a heartbeat.

The fans pay the money, but the NFL - - and the players too truth be told -- do not give a single rat's ass what fans think. Just buy your tickets and/or watch the games and/or buy some logo gear. If you do that, everyone is happy.

If you get angry about the Commish or the CBA terms or the announcing crews on TV, well, that's just fine for you to have an opinion - - but be sure to renew those season tix...

So, are you going to stop watching the Skins and/or the NFL because of all the awful things Goodell has done? If not, the owners, players and league execs can chalk up your expression of ire as one more example of impotence.

If you are really going to give up the NFL, the league will not be happy - - but you are only one person. Now if 5 million fans decided to "walk away", the league would sit up and take notice immediately. If you and your 4,999,999 other friends wanted Roger Goodell tarred and feathered in exchange for your return to the stands or to the front of your TV sets, the NFL might just accede to your wishes.

Until then, please continue to enjoy Roger Goodell as the NFL Commish because he is EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL in his job - - despite the fact that you are unhappy with referee calls and fines levied on players.

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Your a rough dude SC....Stop, Drop and Roll.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;825795]Excuse me, but the folks who hire Roger Goodell care a whole lot about making money. In fact, that is the ONLY reason that there is an NFL in the first place. If Roger Goodell wer the biggest fan-favorite executive ever in the history of sports but he oversaw the NFL as revenues went into the tank, he would be fired in a heartbeat.

The fans pay the money, but the NFL - - and the players too truth be told -- do not give a single rat's ass what fans think. Just buy your tickets and/or watch the games and/or buy some logo gear. If you do that, everyone is happy.

If you get angry about the Commish or the CBA terms or the announcing crews on TV, well, that's just fine for you to have an opinion - - but be sure to renew those season tix...

So, are you going to stop watching the Skins and/or the NFL because of all the awful things Goodell has done? If not, the owners, players and league execs can chalk up your expression of ire as one more example of impotence.

If you are really going to give up the NFL, the league will not be happy - - but you are only one person. Now if 5 million fans decided to "walk away", the league would sit up and take notice immediately. If you and your 4,999,999 other friends wanted Roger Goodell tarred and feathered in exchange for your return to the stands or to the front of your TV sets, the NFL might just accede to your wishes.

Until then, please continue to enjoy Roger Goodell as the NFL Commish because he is EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL in his job - - despite the fact that you are unhappy with referee calls and fines levied on players.[/quote]

I don't think you understood my post. Yes the folks who hire him (the owners) care. But does the average fan sit around and worry about whether or not the NFL is making money? No. They/We care about the game and how it's played. We don't give a damn about the business side.

I never said I was giving up on the NFL. I would never do that. But the shitty calls week after week after week totally ruins the fabric of what the game is all about. And he's the one pushing player safety. It's football. Guys are going to get hurt. If he's so worried about player safety then why did he want the players to play 18 games? So right there that tells me he's full of shit.

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[quote=mlmpetert;825675][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/22/kickoff-rule-not-going-away-during-2011-season/"]Kickoff rule not going away during 2011 season | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

And why was this rule put in place? Player safety. How about teaching guys not to lower their heads when running down field to bust a wedge? Just another way to ruin the game.

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Watching the first half of the Bears Giants game last night really really upset me about the new kick off rule. Its absolutely rediculous.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/donnie-nickey-tees-off-on-kickoff-rule/]Donnie Nickey tees off on kickoff rule | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Nickey acknowledges that he has a vested interest in the new rule, but his points are still valid, despite the fact that roster spots are a zero-sum game, and that the change in the rule will actually create other jobs. “The first sign of the kickoff’s extinction was the elimination of the four man wedge,” Nickey said. “That eliminated the need for a wedgebuster, which is how I earned my job. I think the NFL is destroying the true game of football and the physicality that America has grown to love. For someone who has never played the game to make so many changes unchecked is criminal. Paul Brown is rolling over in his grave because of all the changes made in the name of ‘player safety.’”

The core of Nickey’s concern relates to the ongoing effort to protect men who don’t want to be protected. “People go to NASCAR races to see wrecks,” Nickey said. “People go to football games to see long touchdowns and devastating hits. It’s an injustice to the game and the men who have made their living covering kickoffs and sacrificing their bodies to have their jobs made obsolete.”

That’s really the heart of the debate, as it relates to helmet-to-helmet hits or the kickoff return or any other longstanding aspect of the game that the league currently is (or eventually will be) trying to minimize or eliminate. We’ve yet to see an NFL player retire due to fear of the possible long-term consequences of concussions or other injuries. Now that the risks are fully known by everyone, why not let the men who play the game assume those risks, if they want?

Humans take risks all the time, for far less money than what pro (and some college) athletes earn. Whether it’s because of that aspect of human nature that allows young men to assume nothing bad will ever happen to them or that permits them to not care, they want to play the game. We don’t stop them from driving motorcycles or riding bulls or jumping out of planes or signing up for the military or climbing large rocks or taking a small boat down a raging river or hiking in places where large bears and other predators hang out or doing countless other things that could get them injured or worse. Why has the NFL decided to try to force changes in the name of long-term health and safety onto men who now understand the risks, who have compared the relatively small number of historical bad outcomes to the many more former players who live productive, healthy lives for decades after retiring, and who simply want to play football?

We’d have far less concern about the issue if the changes were better engineered to ensure that the game will become safer. Changing the spot of the kickoff simply removes bullets from the gun, and potentially makes the gun more dangerous when it’s used. As to the broader issue of hits to and with the helmet, we’d simply like to see rules changes that are tied more clearly to intentional behavior and less to chance.

Either way, the league has glossed over the real issue. The players now know the risks, so none of them can sue later and claim that the risks were concealed. The players are willing to accept the risks. So why is the league changing the game to protect grown men from a risk they’re willing to embrace?

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Of course active players don't care, or they pretend not to, but when they are retired they sure will care, and then you end up with this:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/43539-ex-players-suing-the-nfl-negligence.html[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;825803]And why was this rule put in place? Player safety. How about teaching guys not to lower their heads when running down field to bust a wedge? Just another way to ruin the game.[/quote]

It's not quite as simple as that. You don't have to lower your head to suffer the consequences from a high speed impact.

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[quote=skinsfan69;825801]I don't think you understood my post. Yes the folks who hire him (the owners) care. But does the average fan sit around and worry about whether or not the NFL is making money? No. They/We care about the game and how it's played. We don't give a damn about the business side.

I never said I was giving up on the NFL. I would never do that. But the shitty calls week after week after week totally ruins the fabric of what the game is all about. And he's the one pushing player safety. It's football. Guys are going to get hurt. If he's so worried about player safety then why did he want the players to play 18 games? So right there that tells me he's full of shit.[/quote]

Actually, I think I understood what your wrote quite well. The question is whether or not Roger Goodell is good for the NFL? And the answer to that is that he is fabulously good for the NFL.

Maybe you and a cadre of other fans do not like most of the things that he has done in his tenure as the Commish. That's fine. It is also irrelevant to the question about whether he is good for the NFL.

I know you didn't say you would give up on the NFL but my point is that unless you and several million of your closest friends do exactly that, then any rhetorical flourishes about how Roger Goodell is "ruining the game" or how you parse the evidence to conclude that he is "full of shit" (your words) are nothing more than hot air. The owners hired him and will keep him on as long as the money is right.

You and your friends - - the ones who agree with your complaints about how bad he is for the games - - are destined to be very unhappy folks for a LONG time because you don't care enough about the business side of the NFL to realize that is why Roger Goodell will stay there. And if you paid even a little attention to the business side you would realize that you and your firends are helping to assure that he stays there.

Oh, by the way, about the "shitty calls" that "ruin the fabric of the game", can you name for me any sport where fans do not complain about officiating? I cannot. And I spent 37 years of my life as a sporting official mainly in basketball but to include baseball, football, soccer and tennis. In that time, I never met an official who could say that fans were happy with all of his/her calls. And I worked for more people in the analgous position to "league commissioner" than I could count. Assigning ANY culpability for "shitty calls" (by your personal standard) to the NFL Commissioneer is quite a stretch.

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[quote=skinsfan69;825803]And why was this rule put in place? Player safety. How about teaching guys not to lower their heads when running down field to bust a wedge? Just another way to ruin the game.[/quote]

Why are there seat belt laws for people in autos? Just teach folks to drive slowly and safely and there won't be any accidents...

Same argument for helmet laws for motorcycles...

The most amazing element of the "player safety" situation today is that it is "managment" that is out front on the issue and it is the "union" that is taking a back seat. In the history of the labor movement in the US, worker safety was a top-shelf issue for unions and it was management that basically did not give a damn. Here in 2011, those positions are stood on their heads...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;825327]A lot of really bad decisions? Really?

The players that you asert "really hate him" just signed on to a 10-year agreement leaving him - - or whomever is his successor - - in charge of the league and their punsihments.

The revenues have grown under Goodell from about $8B when he took over to approximately $9.2B (estimated for 2011). That is a 15% increase over a period of time when the economy has not been in great shape.

Whether or not the players "respect" Goodell is irrelevant. If I worked for WalMart and did not respect Sam Walton's descendants, it would not matter even a little bit.

Under his watch, revenues are up and there is a decade of labor peace. Explain to me how either of those things might be "bad for the league".

Then enumerate all of his really bad decisions and tell me how important they are for the NFL when compared to increased revenues and labor peace.[/quote]

Woah...calm down man, I just said I don't remember as much vitriole towards Tagliabue as you see from some players towards Goodell. The players aren't idiots, they are well aware that the league has gotten more profitable (and thus player salaries have increased) under Goodell which explains their voting for him but I just commented that more players seem to dislike Goodell.

Where did I say Goodell was bad for the league or that every player hated him? Get your eyes checked or learn how to read.

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And when I say bad decisions -- I mean things like handing down non-consistent fines, really redefining the whole "No Fun League", players saying he doesn't take the time to ask them questions (and yes I know Goodell is paid by the league owners) etc.

And you say that whether the fans like the commish is irrelevant to his job as a commisioner. Really? You don't think the [B]fans of the nfl not liking the commissioner of the league is bad for the nfl?[/B]

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Unless the fans stop investing in the NFL because they don't like Goodell...their opinion of him really doesn't and shouldn't matter

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Roger Goodell may be “fabulous good” for the NFL as a profit seeking corporation, but I think skinsfan69, rabaner, myself and the OP redski1 are all asking is he good for the NFL as the emissary of professional football….. the sport. I guess in the current era of football you can say that hes not being true to the what the sport has/had evolved into through the last 30+ years, at least that’s the way I feel, the way many “knowledgeable fans” feel, and most importantly most former and current players feel. I got no problems with making the NFL safer, in fact I think it’s a great thing, however not at the expense of the underlying sport.

I think forcing players to wear certain types of helmets (even if they look stupid), forcing players to wear pads on things like their elbows and knes, having higher standards on injury reporting, using league doctors to evaluate players where the conflict of interest is lowered, enforcing higher standards on field grass and turf along with other off the field changes in regulation should be priorities before rules are altered in the name of entertainment, revenue and supposedly “player safety”. And don’t let Rog trick you into thinking its about player safety. Its player longevity. Like any business getting the most out of depreciating assets leads to greater profitability, something Rodger strives to be fabulously good at.

It just seems the NFL is/has become entertainment first sport second. As a entertainment comparison, when the WWE made John Cena the face of their sport they alienated many of their fans that built the industry because they went too “PG” in the name of mass appeal and sales. Im not saying the NFL is doing the same, but its understandable why many fans and former players think Rog has been bad for the NFL…. the sport. Perhaps SC the issue guys like me have with goodell’s rule changing in the name of business is more along the lines of a sport, rather than entrainment, conundrum.

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[quote=Mattyk;826055]It's not quite as simple as that. You don't have to lower your head to suffer the consequences from a high speed impact.[/quote]

True. But the devestating injuries happen when a player lowers his head. One of the first things they teach you in football is see what you hit. Concussions happen in football. They're making way too big a deal over it cause a few players have had some issues later on in life. For every Ted Johnson there are hundreds of guys that have had concussions that have never had issues. They put that silly rule in for player safety. You mean to tell me that rule isn't ruining the game? Totally kills guys like Banks, Hester and Cribbs. Fans don't want to see touchbacks. So whoever was behind that rule (I'm sure Mr. Commish had some say so) shame on you.

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[quote=mlmpetert;826118]Roger Goodell may be “fabulous good” for the NFL as a profit seeking corporation, but I think skinsfan69, rabaner, myself and the OP redski1 are all asking is he good for the NFL as the emissary of professional football….. the sport. I guess in the current era of football you can say that hes not being true to the what the sport has/had evolved into through the last 30+ years, at least that’s the way I feel, the way many “knowledgeable fans” feel, and most importantly most former and current players feel. I got no problems with making the NFL safer, in fact I think it’s a great thing, however not at the expense of the underlying sport.

I think forcing players to wear certain types of helmets (even if they look stupid), forcing players to wear pads on things like their elbows and knes, having higher standards on injury reporting, using league doctors to evaluate players where the conflict of interest is lowered, enforcing higher standards on field grass and turf along with other off the field changes in regulation should be priorities before rules are altered in the name of entertainment, revenue and supposedly “player safety”. [B]And don’t let Rog trick you into thinking its about player safety. Its player longevity.[/B] Like any business getting the most out of depreciating assets leads to greater profitability, something Rodger strives to be fabulously good at.

It just seems the NFL is/has become entertainment first sport second. As a entertainment comparison, when the WWE made John Cena the face of their sport they alienated many of their fans that built the industry because they went too “PG” in the name of mass appeal and sales. Im not saying the NFL is doing the same, but its understandable why many fans and former players think Rog has been bad for the NFL…. the sport. Perhaps SC the issue guys like me have with goodell’s rule changing in the name of business is more along the lines of a sport, rather than entrainment, conundrum.[/quote]

How is this a bad thing?

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I wouldnt say its a bad thing at all, depending on the purpose behind it. If the reason is to keep players on the field for 18 games albeit with the same amount of health issues, id prefer to keep the rules of the game unchanged and watch 16 more entertaining games then 18 diluted games. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=SmootSmack;826115]Unless the fans stop investing in the NFL because they don't like Goodell...their opinion of him really doesn't and shouldn't matter[/quote]


I feel like thats true for every discussion on this board!

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[quote=SmootSmack;826115]Unless the fans stop investing in the NFL because they don't like Goodell...their opinion of him really doesn't and shouldn't matter[/quote]

In a purely quantitatively measurable world, the above is correct. There's something to be said of goodwill though -- I'm not saying you should like everything Goodell does. But suppose the following happens, we're in the middle of a playoff push, Dez Bryant is running for a game winning touchdown and gets badly horsecollared by Landry. The game is won but Landry is suspended for x games lasting into the playoffs -- yeah, the rule was implemented for player safety but what is Landry supposed to do, let him run for the TD? In effect he is punished for saving the game and the season -- you really don't think that Landry's suspension and his resulting (as well as the fans') ire towards Goodell is bad for the NFL? that's fine if you don't, I just think you're mistaken

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[quote=skinsfan69;826124]True. But the devestating injuries happen when a player lowers his head. One of the first things they teach you in football is see what you hit. Concussions happen in football. They're making way too big a deal over it cause a few players have had some issues later on in life. For every Ted Johnson there are hundreds of guys that have had concussions that have never had issues. They put that silly rule in for player safety. You mean to tell me that rule isn't ruining the game? Totally kills guys like Banks, Hester and Cribbs. Fans don't want to see touchbacks. So whoever was behind that rule (I'm sure Mr. Commish had some say so) shame on you.[/quote]

We're not talking about just the devestating injuries though. It's all the cumulative trauma that adds up over time, all the little hits take their toll. The more research that comes out about head injuries the scarier it gets. This problem is only getting worse.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;826140]In a purely quantitatively measurable world, the above is correct. There's something to be said of goodwill though -- I'm not saying you should like everything Goodell does. But suppose the following happens, we're in the middle of a playoff push, Dez Bryant is running for a game winning touchdown and gets badly horsecollared by Landry. The game is won but Landry is suspended for x games lasting into the playoffs -- yeah, the rule was implemented for player safety but what is Landry supposed to do, let him run for the TD? In effect he is punished for saving the game and the season -- you really don't think that Landry's suspension and his resulting (as well as the fans') ire towards Goodell is bad for the NFL? that's fine if you don't, I just think you're mistaken[/quote]

That really doesn't make sense to me at all. Why would there be ire toward Goodell?

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Because Goodell is the one handing out suspensions?

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So I take it you're saying the other suspensions have been bad for the NFL? And let's say Landry being suspended means the Eagles win the division and they get homefield advantage (you think Eagles' fans will be upset with Goodell?, and then w/o Landry we lose in the first round to the Falcons. You think Falcons fans will be upset?

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[quote=SmootSmack;826185]So I take it you're saying the other suspensions have been bad for the NFL? And let's say Landry being suspended means the Eagles win the division and they get homefield advantage (you think Eagles' fans will be upset with Goodell?, and then w/o Landry we lose in the first round to the Falcons. You think Falcons fans will be upset?[/quote]

I'm saying that its a lot more subjective than at first glance -- NFL fans are far from perfectly rational beings. Even if the suspensions and rules are good for the NFL in the bigger scheme of things, most negative feelings about rule changes, suspensions etc. are going to be directed towards Goodell who, for better or worse, is the face of the authoritative body of the league. When fans have a problem with a suspension, they are going to be mad at Goodell and feel that their team is being unfairly targeted, as would other fans in that situation. My personal belief is that increased negativity towards the commissioner is bad for the NFL. Do you honestly believe that fans feeling bad towards the commisioner is one city is perfectly balanced out by fans feeling good in another city?

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[quote=Mattyk;826160]We're not talking about just the devestating injuries though. It's all the cumulative trauma that adds up over time, all the little hits take their toll. The more research that comes out about head injuries the scarier it gets. This problem is only getting worse.[/quote]

The head injuries are just part of the game. Like I said, for every guy that's had issues there are hundreds that don't have issues.

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[quote=skinsfan69;826208]The head injuries are just part of the game. Like I said, for every guy that's had issues there are hundreds that don't have issues.[/quote]

Part of the game yes, but there are ways to help reduce them. The league owes that to the players for taking the risks that they do, even if the players don't appreciate it now, they will in the long run.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;826202]I'm saying that its a lot more subjective than at first glance -- NFL fans are far from perfectly rational beings. Even if the suspensions and rules are good for the NFL in the bigger scheme of things, most negative feelings about rule changes, suspensions etc. are going to be directed towards Goodell who, for better or worse, is the face of the authoritative body of the league. When fans have a problem with a suspension, they are going to be mad at Goodell and feel that their team is being unfairly targeted, as would other fans in that situation. My personal belief is that increased negativity towards the commissioner is bad for the NFL. Do you honestly believe that fans feeling bad towards the commisioner is one city is perfectly balanced out by fans feeling good in another city?[/quote]

I don't think it's a zero-sum game. No. But I also don't think that what fans think really should matter in this case.

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[quote=SmootSmack;826221]I don't think it's a zero-sum game. No. But I also don't think that what fans think really should matter in this case.[/quote]

Oh man, I don't want to get into a philosophical argument about whether it should matter -- for better or worse, I think it ultimately does.

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Ok. Agree to disagree then

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[quote=skinsfan69;826208]Like I said, for every guy that's had issues there are hundreds that don't have issues.[/quote]

You have the data to support that argument?


Just because it's not reported, doesn't mean they haven't had issues.

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I really dont like the guy, but if he knew me he wouldnt like me either.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/24/jack-del-rio-kickoff-change-means-lower-scoring-games/]Jack Del Rio: Kickoff change means lower-scoring games | ProFootballTalk[/url]

“If you back up the offense and start them on the 20, you’re going to reduce the chances of scoring,” Del Rio said on ESPN Radio. “So I think what’s going to happen is when they get done looking at this year they’re going to say, ‘Boy, scoring dropped. Wow. I wonder what caused that.’ Well, I think kickoffs are going to play a part in that.”

Del Rio is almost certainly right: There will be more touchbacks and fewer returned kickoffs, which means not only fewer return touchdowns but also fewer long returns that set up the offense in good field position. So that will make for less interesting games, unless you find touchbacks interesting.

“You’re going to watch the kicking team line up and then you’ll watch the offense get the ball at the 20,” Del Rio said. “That’s what’s going to happen the majority of the time. Unless you get a real strong breeze or something where the ball can’t go deep enough to not bring it out, you’re going to see a tremendous amount of balls staying in the end zone or kicked through the end zone, and the ball’s going to stay at the 20.”

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[quote=Mattyk;826211]Part of the game yes, but there are ways to help reduce them. The league owes that to the players for taking the risks that they do, even if the players don't appreciate it now, they will in the long run.[/quote]

I think putting in the horse collar rule was a good idea. Guys were getting bad leg injuries. But do you honestly think this kick off rule being moved up to the 35 is a good rule? Yes or no?

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[quote=skinsfan69;826425]I think putting in the horse collar rule was a good idea. Guys were getting bad leg injuries. But do you honestly think this kick off rule being moved up to the 35 is a good rule? Yes or no?[/quote]

Is it a good rule as far as reducing injuries goes, I'm guessing it will be. Is it good for the game in terms of excitement and scoring? Probably not.

But if the league is serious about reducing injuries this is a low hanging fruit for them to pick off.

We'll see what the injury reduction is at the end of the year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;826425] But do you honestly think this kick off rule being moved up to the 35 is a good rule? Yes or no?[/quote]

From safety perspective: Yes

From fan perspective: No


We as fans don't care about the players safety. We just want to be entertained.

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[quote=NC_Skins;826240]You have the data to support that argument?


Just because it's not reported, doesn't mean they haven't had issues.[/quote]

Of course I don't have data. It's common sense. All I'm saying is putting the kick offs back to the 35 was just awful, and like I said I haven't heard one former player or coach that likes the rul.e.

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[quote=NC_Skins;826430]From safety perspective: Yes

From fan perspective: No


We as fans don't care about the players safety. We just want to be entertained.[/quote]

As I said, coach the guys up and make sure no heads are lowered.

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So from a saftey prespective yes
Fan's no
Player's no
Coach's no

If the play is deemed so dangerous they need to effectively render it useless why not just remove it and get rid of kickoffs? Why risk a players safety some of the time?

I guess i dont understand the purpose of changing the rules before making safety strides in other areas. I mean for God’s sake mouth guards are not mandatory. If you wear the wrong socks you get fined, if you don’t wear a mouth guard its okay???? Im sure some mouth guards are much better than others. A lot of concussions come from knees hitting the helmet, force players to wear knee pads and elbow pads, hip and thigh pads. Force players to wear certain helmets that are proven less risky. Force players to wear neck braces like Chris Samuels. Have a R&D department study safety gear. But making significant changes to the sport before doing any of these things seems completely backwards and ridiculous to me.

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Overall I think he's good for the league but he's a bit heavy handed and not a great communicator. He can do a better job at explaining his reasoning behind rule changes and desiring changes to the game (18 games, plans for LA market, etc) but he's a little stiff. Some of his decisions on fines and discipline seem to be excessive also and he alienates players by those decisions.

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[quote=skinsfan69;826438]As I said, coach the guys up and make sure no heads are lowered.[/quote]


Heads being lowered has nothing to do with this. A upper body impact can cause a concussion regardless if the head is involved or not. A person can have 100% correct form each and every time and they still have concussions.


[url=http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/concussion/DS00320]Concussion - MayoClinic.com[/url]


[quote]Although concussions usually are caused by a blow to the head, they can also occur when the head and upper body are violently shaken.[/quote]


Anytime you have a impact with your upper body (chest, shoulder), you can rest assure that your head will be jarred every single time. Regardless if it makes contact or not.