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[quote=saden1;755849]Hold your horses until 2012...he wasn't running in this election.[/quote]

I'd say he was running in this race in one form or the other. Now he is just running to India to the tune of 200 million per day on the tax payers. What is getting left out is the governors that the Rep. picked up because redistricting is coming up soon. I don't like how the do redistricting but its what the dems wanted so its their game the gonvernors will be playing.

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[quote=GMScud;755858]Haha. It's all good man. I'm just having a little fun today. In all honesty I know you'd school me in a political debate- just reading your posts show your intelligence on such matters, even if I disagree with your stances. I simply wanted to throw out a few jabs in light of these mid-term results.[/quote]

You're (We're) entitled.

After the 2008 elections, President Obama told us "he won and we need to get out of the way and let him pass his agenda". Just last week, he said "Republicans need to sit in the back of the bus" and his party needs to "destroy their enemies".


Checkmate, Mr. President.

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[quote=FRPLG;755833]What all the liberals on here fail to realize is that Obama did not get elected based on his legislative agenda. That stuff appeals to you and his undeniable success in enacting it fools you into believing he did what he said he was going to do because that is the stuff you care about. He did a damn fine job of getting legislation through that you all like. What he didn't do. What he has failed so miserably at is what he promised he would do when he got elected. HOPE AND CHANGE. That is a much bigger idea. Spin it however you want tonight is an affirmation that his HOPE AND CHANGE mantra was what got him elected. People are tired of all of them...they think the system doesn't work. BO promised to come and fix that. He hasn't even tried. So tonight that part of his agenda, the most important part, he was held accountable for. The Pubs will come in and do nothing to fix it and we'll be back here again in two years. Rinse repeat.[/quote]

That's one way to look at it, but with all due respect I think your analysis, while partially correct, is still a little short sighted of what happened last night.

Midterms are ALL about voter turnout and which side has the most energy. Less than 50% of Americans are registered to vote. And less than 50% of THOSE people turned out yesterday. So, from state to state, you had between 23% and 30% of the population of those states determining who was going to govern the entire population of those states. This year it was unquestionably the GOP energized by the Tea Party and other right wing elements.

The spin that this was a referendum on Obama sounds good, but support for Obama's agenda, for him as a president, and for him as a person, are all fairly decent, when you ask ALL Americans. Republicans and the Tea Party failed miserably at making any real inroads in reliably blue districts, couldn't unseat a vulnerable Harry Reid, didn't make a dent in either race in California despite all the money they threw around. So the message against HOPE and CHANGE wasn't as resounding as some would like to portray it. Still the White House didn't like waking up to a Republican majority this morning. Things just got harder.

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[quote=firstdown;755859]I'd say he was running in this race in one form or the other. Now he is just running to India to the tune of 200 million per day on the tax payers.[/quote]


Maybe it costs so much because he's going to a teleprompter for the first time ever in India's Central Hall of Parliament?

[url=http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_teleprompter-to-make-its-debut-in-parliament-when-obama-speaks_1456549]Teleprompter to make its debut in Parliament when Obama speaks - India - DNA[/url]

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[quote=Buster;755860]You're (We're) entitled.

After the 2008 elections, President Obama told us "he won and we need to get out of the way and let him pass his agenda". Just last week, he said "Republicans need to sit in the back of the bus" and his party needs to "destroy their enemies".


Checkmate, Mr. President.[/quote]

Yeah his arrogance is staggering. And referring to fellow political leaders in this country as "enemies" is exactly the type of thinking that has this country's political system in such disarray.

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[quote=12thMan;755861]That's one way to look at it, but with all due respect I think your analysis, while partially correct, is still a little short sighted of what happened last night.

Midterms are ALL about voter turnout and which side has the most energy. Less than 50% of Americans are registered to vote. And less than 50% of THOSE people turned out yesterday. So, from state to state, you had between 23% and 30% of the population of those states determining who was going to govern the entire population of those states. This year it was unquestionably the GOP energized by the Tea Party and other right wing elements.

[B]The spin that this was a referendum on Obama sounds good, but support for Obama's agenda, for him as a president, and for him as a person, are all fairly decent,[/B] when you ask ALL Americans. Republicans and the Tea Party failed miserably at making any real inroads in reliably blue districts, couldn't unseat a vulnerable Harry Reid, didn't make a dent in either race in California despite all the money they threw around. So the message against HOPE and CHANGE wasn't as resounding as some would like to portray it. Still the White House didn't like waking up to a Republican majority this morning. Things just got harder.[/quote]


So Obama has so much support that he could not get them to show up and vote. That makes no sense at all.

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;755827]I'm not sure one is necessarily better than the other. Certainly, the Senate has its unique advantages. It has the exclusive advise-and-consent power over presidential appointments, most notably Supreme Court justicies. Second, while revenue bills must originate in the House, a bill that passes the House is sent to the Senate, which is free to "amend" such a bill by deleting the text entirely and replacing it with its own text--keep in mind that the health care reform law was the Senate's bill (of course, any such bill passed by the Senate must then pass the House). Third, from a historical standpoint, the Senate is the country's great equalizer--California has as many senators as Wyoming. So, again, I'm not sure the House is clearly the superior body to have.[/quote]

When the economy is the issue, like now, and you have been labelled as having no effective plan, like the Republicans have been, then the House gives you the opportunity to lay out grand schemes, win bipartisan votes at the expense of your extreme side, and show the country what you can offer.

When the economy is good, then the Senate becomes a good place because you can take "principled stands", like blocking judges, or amending legislation.

Yes both bodies have their purpose, I was thinking solely of the current environment and political gamesmanship.

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[quote=firstdown;755859]I'd say he was running in this race in one form or the other. Now he is just running to India to the tune of 200 million per day on the tax payers.[/quote]

So did Harry Ried win because he campaigned for him and Russ Feingold lost because he campaigned for him?

You really are an idiot if you think 200 million dollars are being spent a day. Perhaps they're Indian Rupees?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;755678]A friend in Philly told me they heard there was only 20% voter turn out for the city of Philly, of course a democratic city. Not saying Republican turnout was higher but Philly (and I'm going to assume Pittsburgh but I could be wrong) carry the highest democratic weight. My friend calls the rest of the area of PA above Pitt and Philly, "Pennsyltucky" which is where all the Conservatives are.

Just assuming that if people in the major cities didn't turn out, its no surprise Republicans won.

Oh well. I'm taking the Trample route as an ode to a fallen comrade (cuz that dude just effin disappeared) and say, government sucks and all politicians are crooks. I didn't vote so I'm not really complaining either way. Just hope things workout over the next 2 years.[/quote]

The Black Panthers turned out again in Philly.

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[quote=GMScud;755865]Yeah his arrogance is staggering. And referring to fellow political leaders in this country as "enemies" is exactly the type of thinking that has this country's political system in such disarray.[/quote]
Funny liberals don't mind Obama calling Americans "enemies" but freaked out at Bush calling Iran, Iraq, And N. Korea the axis of evil.

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[quote=saden1;755870]So did Harry Ried win because he campaigned for him and Russ Feingold lost because he campaigned for him?

You really are an idiot if you think 200 million dollars are being spent a day.[/quote]

The libs are so bitter and pessimistic today. Calling names, insulting...oh wait...that's nothing new. :pffff:


You REALLY doubt First Lady Obama can spend that much? :cheeky-sm

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[quote=Buster;755873]The libs are so bitter and pessimistic today. Calling names, insulting...oh wait...that's nothing new. :pffff:


You REALLY doubt First Lady Obama can spend that much? :cheeky-sm[/quote]

Yes and you're still a prick...nothing has changed.

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[quote=saden1;755870]So did Harry Ried win because he campaigned for him and Russ Feingold lost because he campaigned for him?

You really are an idiot if you think 200 million dollars are being spent a day.[/quote]

I really no nothing about the people who ran against Reid or Feingold so I could not say why one won and one lost. Yea I'm an idiot I guess.

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[quote=firstdown;755780][IMG]http://bigjournalism.com/files/2010/07/nancy-pelosi-gavel.jpg[/IMG]

:smashfrea[/quote]


The swamp has finally been drained Speaker...err....Ms. Pelosi.

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[quote=saden1;755875]Yes and you're still a prick...[B]nothing has changed.[/B][/quote]

And that's the problem. Hope and Change, right? Fail. ;)

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[quote=Buster;755873]The libs are so bitter and pessimistic today. Calling names, insulting...oh wait...that's nothing new. :pffff:


You REALLY doubt First Lady Obama can spend that much? :cheeky-sm[/quote]


Really she spent how much on her one trip. Its funny the liberals today are acting like this election was a surprise and that they have ignored the news for the past month or so.

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[quote=saden1;755875]Yes and you're still a prick...nothing has changed.[/quote]

That tactic loses debates AND elections. You never learn. :laughing-

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[quote=Buster;755879]The swamp has finally been drained Speaker...err....Ms. Pelosi.[/quote]

I am SOOOO happy I don't have to look at her anymore.

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[quote=firstdown;755868]So Obama has so much support that he could not get them to show up and vote. That makes no sense at all.[/quote]

It makes total sense, man. Things are rough and people aren't happy. I'm not sugar coating the results, I'm saying let's just take a deep breath and look at everything. This crap flying around today isn't based in reality or historical fact. The balance of power usually shifts during midterms. Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan went through the same thing, yet they went on to get re-elected and enjoyed prosperous terms.

We haven't seen anything this dramatic in quite some time, but we also haven't seen the country in this type of economic condition since the depression era, so I feel as though the backlash, if you want to call it that, is commensurate with the times. If the economy continues to recover and unemployment dips over the next 20 months, this guy is going to be hard to beat.

Oh for what it's worth, I said over a year ago that I thought Sarah Palin was running for President. She's looking like it more and more everyday. Thank the Lord.

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[quote=firstdown;755881]Really she spent how much on her one trip. Its funny the liberals today are acting like this election was a surprise and that they have ignored the news for the past month or so.[/quote]

Last MONTH? How about last 2 years.


2 days before his inauguration, he said "In 2 days, we begin to fundamentally transform the nation" and a few paying attention said "wait...I thought you just wanted to change how things are done in Washington, not EVERYTHING!"


What he's changed was NOT the change that the lazy voters thought they were getting. Many have woken up, as we saw last night.

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[quote=saden1;755870][B]So did Harry Ried win because he campaigned for him [/B]and Russ Feingold lost because he campaigned for him?

You really are an idiot if you think 200 million dollars are being spent a day. Perhaps they're Indian Rupees?[/quote]

Harry Reid won because the unions bussed in as many votes as possible. They're intimidators. Casino Bosses stood to loose a fortune if Angle got elected.

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[quote=12thMan;755884]It makes total sense, man. Things are rough and people aren't happy. I'm not sugar coating the results, I'm saying let's just take a breath and look at everything. This crap flying around today isn't based in reality or historical fact. The balance of power usually shifts during midterms. Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan went through the same thing, yet they went on to get re-elected and enjoyed prosperous terms.

We haven't seen anything this dramatic in quite some time, but we also haven't seen the country in this type of economic condition since the depression era, so I feel as though the backlash, if you want to call it that, is commensurate with the times. If the economy continues to recover and employments dips over the next 20 months, this guy is going to be hard to beat.

Oh for what it's worth, I said over a year ago that I thought Sarah Palin was running for President. She's looking like it more and more everyday. Thank the Lord.[/quote]

I have to say that I respectfully disagree with you but I enjoy reading your post without the name calling. I don't think SP is going to run.

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[quote=12thMan;755884]We haven't seen anything this dramatic in quite some time, but we also haven't seen the country in this type of economic condition since the depression era, so I feel as though the backlash, if you want to call it that, is commensurate with the times. If the economy continues to recover and employments dips over the next 20 months, this guy is going to be hard to beat.
[/quote]

Another good point...about the Depression.

We're in a severe recession. Unemployment is sky high. A few years ago, home ownership was at an all-time HIGH, now it's at an all-time LOW. Inflation is coming next year. Energy costs are rising. The "Healthcare" bill is costing people more money RIGHT NOW and giving no benefits. They're raising taxes dramatically in 2 months DURING A DEEP RECESSION. (tax rate hikes for everyone, reduction of child credits, re-reinstatement of inheritance/death tax, lower standard deduction, etc...all from expiring Bush tax cuts they refuse to extend). Then, the President wants to pass Cap-and-Trade, meaning higher energy costs on top of the current rate increases, plus higher food/product/service costs and less jobs...


Most of working America has realized that if we don't stop this President's agenda NOW, we'll be in a real Depression. Yes, the economy was struggling when he came into office, but he's done the exact OPPOSITE of everything that needs to be done. More spending AND higher taxes...taking over companies/banks, trying to detroy free markets, especially in healthcare/insurance fields, discouraging employers to hire more...it almost looks intentional.

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[quote=Buster;755855]Yet the whackjobs in CA re-elected Barbara Boxer and JERRY BROWN. Those are the decisions of people on drugs...yet they couldn't legalize their drugs on the same ballot.


California is one seriously screwed-up place.[/quote]

The people on drugs didn't vote, that's what's scary

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[quote=Mattyk;755893]The people on drugs didn't vote, that's what's scary[/quote]

Sure seems like it to me....Boxer and JERRY BROWN? He's already failed once!




I have to ask...what were you New Yorkers thinking, reelecting Schumer (tax deadbeat, well-known criminal) again? I noticed Long Island went Republican, so I have to assume NYC did this...living in their own world.

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[quote=Mattyk;755893]The people on drugs didn't vote, that's what's scary[/quote]

I heard everyone lit up to celebrate and forgot to go vote. :Smoker:

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[url=http://thehill.com/homenews/house/127389-after-electoral-drubbing-dems-must-now-deal-with-ethics-trials]After electoral drubbing, Democrats must now deal with ethics trials - TheHill.com[/url]

:)

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[quote=12thMan;755884]It makes total sense, man. Things are rough and people aren't happy. I'm not sugar coating the results, I'm saying let's just take a deep breath and look at everything. This crap flying around today isn't based in reality or historical fact. The balance of power usually shifts during midterms.[B] Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan went through the same thing, yet they went on to get re-elected and enjoyed prosperous terms.
[/B]
[/quote]

Well, this Ego (Obama, not matty), seems pretty thin skinned and hasn't really dealt with losing. Lets see if he reacts like Clinton did in '94 and reach out across the aisle after mid-term defeats. If I recall Clinton did that and worked on things like welfare reform, etc.

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[quote=GMScud;755903]Well, this Ego (Obama, not matty), seems pretty thin skinned and hasn't really dealt with losing. Lets see if he reacts like Clinton did in '94 and reach out across the aisle after mid-term defeats. If I recall Clinton did that and worked on things like welfare reform, etc.[/quote]

Absolutely won't. He acts like a petulant child when he doesn't get his way. I fully expect the President to push back HARDER to push his plans.

He now has more "enemies" than he knew. (the American people)

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[quote=GMScud;755889]Harry Reid won because the unions bussed in as many votes as possible. They're intimidators. Casino Bosses stood to loose a fortune if Angle got elected.[/quote]
Oh heavens :doh:

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[quote=GMScud;755903]Well, this Ego (Obama, not matty), seems pretty thin skinned and hasn't really dealt with losing. Lets see if he reacts like Clinton did in '94 and reach out across the aisle after mid-term defeats. If I recall Clinton did that and worked on things like welfare reform, etc.[/quote]

You don't he's reached out? And why do you say he's never dealt with losing?

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[quote=saden1;755870]So did Harry Ried win because he campaigned for him and Russ Feingold lost because he campaigned for him?

You really are an idiot if you think 200 million dollars are being spent a day. Perhaps they're Indian Rupees?[/quote]


[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325990/Obamas-200m-day-India-visit-picked-US-taxpayers.html?ito=feeds-newsxml]Obama's '$200m-a-day' India visit picked up by US taxpayers | Mail Online[/url]

I hope its not pounds!

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[quote=GMScud;755903]Well, this Ego (Obama, not matty), seems pretty thin skinned and hasn't really dealt with losing. Lets see if he reacts like Clinton did in '94 and reach out across the aisle after mid-term defeats. If I recall Clinton did that and worked on things like welfare reform, etc.[/quote]
He really has no choice but to reach out to the back of the bus. Clinton had no choice and after it seemed welfare reform was popular he took the credit for it.

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[quote=12thMan;755861]That's one way to look at it, but with all due respect I think your analysis, while partially correct, is still a little short sighted of what happened last night.

Midterms are ALL about voter turnout and which side has the most energy. Less than 50% of Americans are registered to vote. And less than 50% of THOSE people turned out yesterday. So, from state to state, you had between 23% and 30% of the population of those states determining who was going to govern the entire population of those states. This year it was unquestionably the GOP energized by the Tea Party and other right wing elements.

The spin that this was a referendum on Obama sounds good, but support for Obama's agenda, for him as a president, and for him as a person, are all fairly decent, when you ask ALL Americans. Republicans and the Tea Party failed miserably at making any real inroads in reliably blue districts, couldn't unseat a vulnerable Harry Reid, didn't make a dent in either race in California despite all the money they threw around. So the message against HOPE and CHANGE wasn't as resounding as some would like to portray it. Still the White House didn't like waking up to a Republican majority this morning. Things just got harder.[/quote]

I count lack of voter turnout as disillusionment with our fair messiah. He turned out the vote in '08 because people who don't like what the system has become got off their asses and voted for his high and mighty BS about hope and change. That's what happened. Whether those same people abandon him by either voting the other way or not voting at all it is still a referendum on his agenda. Republicans swung some independents their way and Obama left a great amount of his independent base on the bench last night. That's his fault for the way he has governed. I wholeheartedly believe that unless he moves back towards actually doing something about the culture in DC and at least presenting the perception that he is trying to change it then he will be rather susceptible in 2012.

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[quote=Mattyk;755893]The people on drugs didn't vote, that's what's scary[/quote]

I've read a few opinions that the people on drugs don't want the system changed. There is quite a cottage industry in CA for weed and the system works pretty well. I have no idea why any of the obvious drug proponents would actually endorse the Prop 19 stuff. It brought weed under MORE control rather than less. And in the end there is still the rather pesky issue involving the federal laws against weed sales.

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[quote=FRPLG;755925]I've read a few opinions that the people on drugs don't want the system changed. There is quite a cottage industry in CA for weed and the system works pretty well. I have no idea why any of the obvious drug proponents would actually endorse the Prop 19 stuff. It brought weed under MORE control rather than less. And in the end there is still the rather pesky issue involving the federal laws against weed sales.[/quote]

I don't smoke but I would like to see it get over turned on a federal level.

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[quote=GMScud;755883]I am SOOOO happy I don't have to look at her anymore.[/quote]

Someone said to me that, even if the dems were to win back the house, Pelosi would not come back as Speaker (in which case, it would be Hoyer). Anyone know if this is true? First I'd ever heard about something like that.

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[quote=firstdown;755891]I have to say that I respectfully disagree with you but I enjoy reading your post without the name calling. [B]I don't think SP is going to run.[/B][/quote]

Are you kidding? Governor Quitter is already running for Pres.

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[quote=mlmpetert;755911][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325990/Obamas-200m-day-India-visit-picked-US-taxpayers.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]Obama's '$200m-a-day' India visit picked up by US taxpayers | Mail Online[/URL]

I hope its not pounds![/quote]

I believe The Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper. Sources said indeed. I am curious, do you guys really lack the necessary analytical skills to see how absurd this claim is? Has it also occurred to you that it is incumbent upon the host nation to pay for most of the security costs?

You guys are amazing.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;755931]Someone said to me that, even if the dems were to win back the house, Pelosi would not come back as Speaker (in which case, it would be Hoyer). Anyone know if this is true? First I'd ever heard about something like that.[/quote]

I don't know why it would be true but she does have to run for minority speaker position. If I saw Boner as minority speaker all the time I am sure you guys will see Pelosi all the time (if she wins and she probably will win).