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I just read this on ESPN -- Any chance he gets any meaningful playing time this season?

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[quote=SmootSmack;755493]Seriously though, this is a good pick up. We need interior line help. In all honesty, I don't really see the harm here[/quote]

If Dallas, Giants, or Philly brought him in for a look or signed him, would you and others that agree with you think this was a good pick up or positive move? HELL NAWWW! You all would be laughing your butts off and talking about how much of a bust that he REALLY IS!!

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[quote=LavaRnChad;755571]If Dallas, Giants, or Philly brought him in for a look or signed him, would you and others that agree with you think this was a good pick up or positive move? HELL NAWWW! You all would be laughing your butts off and talking about how much of a bust that he REALLY IS!![/quote]

Of course we would blast other teams for bringing him in. You seem to have a hard time figuring out what this "fan" thing is all about.

Oh and jokes aren't your thing either apparently.

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Well, I think we all know the guy we should sign is Jevan Snead...but no, The Shanahans can't see that. Guess that's why Kyle's never been a head coach and why Mike was fired...

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Are you guys kidding me? This is the guy the Raiders dumped for JC? This franchise is totally f*&^ed. You guys were in heaven with DM, now he has underperformed, so now you are ready to see if one of the lamest NFL Qbs in recent memory is up to snuff? Shit, I would take Frerotte back before that fat, lazy bastard!!!!!!! And for once I am totally serious. Hell, we should have kept Chase Daniel. He would have been better than Russell. OMG, we used to make fun of him all the time in here!!!!!

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;755490]It's funny to hear everyone say he's a proven bust. What a load of crap. He might be a bust, but it's far from proven.

Considering how coddled and entitled elite athletes are coming out of college, it is no wonder most of them are not mature. Being a successful NFL player requires a ton of maturity and dedication -- something that's hard to get from a 21yo with a $50 million contract, who has been spoiled all their life. Add to that the fact that he was drafted into a dysfunctional organization, and the guy barely had any chance to learn any discipline.

I'm not saying that maturity is his only problem, but it is his biggest. But, time and adversity are good catalysts for maturation, so it's possible he's ready to work hard. Time will tell.[/quote]

BS argument. Good QBs at least show flashes of good play from the get-go. Even Brees was starting to light it up for San Diego, and then he got his shoulder whacked.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;755579]BS argument. Good QBs at least show flashes of good play from the get-go. Even Brees was starting to light it up for San Diego, and then he got his shoulder whacked.[/quote]

Right. Like Trent Green. Or, Tom Brady. QB talent evaluation is sure-fire, can't miss in the NFL.

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[quote=Mattyk;755572]Of course we would blast other teams for bringing him in. You seem to have a hard time figuring out what this "fan" thing is all about.

Oh and jokes aren't your thing either apparently.[/quote]

No I don't have a hard time figuring out what this "fan" thing is all about. I just don't spend alot of time on "Cloud 9", so would you please send me a postcard while you're there? Just because I'm looking at things from a REALISTIC standpoint doesn't mean I don't understand what it takes to be a fan. Oh yeah jokes may not be my thing, but neither is kool-aid slurping. What is it like?

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Some of you guys really need to lay back and chill the next 2 weeks LOL.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;755578]Are you guys kidding me? This is the guy the Raiders dumped for JC? This franchise is totally f*&^ed. You guys were in heaven with DM, now he has underperformed, so now you are ready to see if one of the lamest NFL Qbs in recent memory is up to snuff? Shit, I would take Frerotte back before that fat, lazy bastard!!!!!!! And for once I am totally serious. Hell, we should have kept Chase Daniel. He would have been better than Russell. OMG, we used to make fun of him all the time in here!!!!![/quote]

This is the point I was putting across but according to another poster, I don't know what this "fan thing" is about.

re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;755578]Are you guys kidding me? This is the guy the Raiders dumped for JC? This franchise is totally f*&^ed. You guys were in heaven with DM, now he has underperformed, so now you are ready to see if one of the lamest NFL Qbs in recent memory is up to snuff? Shit, I would take Frerotte back before that fat, lazy bastard!!!!!!! And for once I am totally serious. Hell, we should have kept Chase Daniel. He would have been better than Russell. OMG, we used to make fun of him all the time in here!!!!![/quote]

Chase!!!!!

I think what a lot of people are missing or choosing to ignore is that the reason a lot of us blasted the Raiders for having Russell was because they committed a # 1 draft pick and millions of dollars in this guy. We're not in that position. We brought in for a workout, if we sign him it would be for...wait for it...the vet min.

There's a huge (no pun intended) in making JaMarcus Russell your starter and committing millions of dollars in him and planting him at the end of your bench for relative chump change and see if he shows any signs of progress.

No one is saying he's going to roll in here (again, no pun intended) and become our starter and lead us to an 8 game winning streak then coast to the Super Bowl.

And Ghetto...preach!

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[quote=LavaRnChad;755583]No I don't have a hard time figuring out what this "fan" thing is all about. I just don't spend alot of time on "Cloud 9", so would you please send me a postcard while you're there? Just because I'm looking at things from a REALISTIC standpoint doesn't mean I don't understand what it takes to be a fan. Oh yeah jokes may not be my thing, but neither is kool-aid slurping. What is it like?[/quote]

The reality is that JR has more physical talent than the NFL has probably ever seen from a QB, and he was drafted by a dysfunctional organization with a shitty line and no leadership. Nearly every single "expert" in the industry thought he would turn into something special -- in a few years. That was 3 years ago.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;755581]Right. Like Trent Green. Or, Tom Brady. QB talent evaluation is sure-fire, can't miss in the NFL.[/quote]Showing flashes IN real GAMES is what I meant. Not when they're drafted, not when they haven't played

Being forced on the bench and not playing at all is not the same as given the starting job and playing like shit. The former situation, the QB is not playing in games. In the latter, the QB is playing in games.

When Trent played, even my little 10-year old eyes could tell he had something special.

Brady lit it up and helped his team to a Super Bowl in his first season.

Russell had 2 years show AT LEAST SOMETHING, and he didn't. Actually, we stomped him into embarrassment last year. Rak would not have had 4 sacks if he wasn't a clueless bum out there.

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Not only that, the talent-evaluators all had him pegged as the #1 freaking pick. Brady and Green were unknowns just trying to make a roster. With Russell, MANY EXPECTED A DAMN PRO BOWLER and instead got 2 years of shit. Sanchez, Stafford, Cutler, Freeman, all have been showing SOME SORT OF PLAY-MAKING ABILITY. Russell did not when he had his chance.

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[quote=mooby;755413]So if they do sign him, is it Beck or Grossman who will be gone?[/quote]

my guess would be neither one....last pics i saw of russell lead me to believe that he would be a great fit beside haynesworth on the D line

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So....anyone else realize we also worked out JP Losman

So Losman or Russell? Which would you rather have?

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Does anyone know the other 19 players that were brought in for a try out?

Someone said they heard Losman was here for a work out also. Said they heard it on 980

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?337908-Does-anyone-know-any-of-the-other-19-players-that-worked-out-for-us-today]Does anyone know any of the other 19 players that worked out for us today?[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;755589]Showing flashes IN real GAMES is what I meant. Not when they're drafted, not when they haven't played

Being forced on the bench and not playing at all is not the same as given the starting job and playing like shit. The former situation, the QB is not playing in games. In the latter, the QB is playing in games.

When Trent played, even my little 10-year old eyes could tell he had something special.

Brady lit it up and helped his team to a Super Bowl in his first season.

Russell had 2 years show AT LEAST SOMETHING, and he didn't. Actually, we stomped him into embarrassment last year. Rak would not have had 4 sacks if he wasn't a clueless bum out there.[/quote]

Forget the details, you missed the point about QB talent evaluation.

Let me remind you that Al Davis benched Marcus Allen and Eric Dickerson for Nick Bell in 1992. Two Hall of Famers were benched for a scrub. It means nothing that he was benched by arguably the most dysfunctional organization in the last 20 years.

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[quote=SmootSmack;755592]So....anyone else realize we also worked out JP Losman

So Losman or Russell? Which would you rather have?[/quote]

Russell because he's younger and at some point someone though highly of the guy. Kiper and McShay both had him the number 1 pick

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[quote=SmootSmack;755592]So....anyone else realize we also worked out JP Losman

So Losman or Russell? Which would you rather have?[/quote]
I'd rather have it that we steal Matt Flynn from the Packers, bring back Chase, hell bring back Pineapple Jesus.

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[quote=SBXVII;755593]Does anyone know the other 19 players that were brought in for a try out?

Someone said they heard Losman was here for a work out also. Said they heard it on 980

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?337908-Does-anyone-know-any-of-the-other-19-players-that-worked-out-for-us-today]Does anyone know any of the other 19 players that worked out for us today?[/url][/quote]

Ha I just posted that. Yes, Losman as well as Chad Jackson, Taurus Johnson (Grant Paulsen says he'll be joining our PS soon). I don't believe we worked out 19 today though. More like 9

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;755588]The reality is that JR has more physical talent than the NFL has probably ever seen from a QB, and he was drafted by a dysfunctional organization with a shitty line and no leadership. Nearly every single "expert" in the industry thought he would turn into something special -- in a few years. That was 3 years ago.[/quote]

I can't remember because it was so long ago but was Culpepper as highly touted as JR coming out of college? I ask because they seem to be the same type of QB except JR didn't work as hard.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;755594]Forget the details, you missed the point about QB talent evaluation.

Let me remind you that Al Davis benched Marcus Allen and Eric Dickerson for Nick Bell in 1992. Two Hall of Famers were benched for a scrub. It means nothing that he was benched by arguably the most dysfunctional organization in the last 20 years.[/quote]

No, you argued that because of all the coddling he got, he was oh-so-poor immature and that's why he played so poorly. That's a load of bull because there have been MANY recent QBs who have displayed play-making ability early in their careers.

Everyone knows he's physically talented; it doesn't matter because just like Ryan Leaf, he'll never get it.

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And the dysfunctional argument? Another excuse as Grads and Campbell have been doing something despite Al's nuttery.

re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;755600]No, you argued that because of all the coddling he got, he was oh-so-poor immature and that's why he played so poorly. That's a load of bull because there have been MANY recent QBs who have displayed play-making ability early in their careers.

Everyone knows he's physically talented; it doesn't matter because just like Ryan Leaf, he'll never get it.[/quote]

So, I didn't mention QB talent evaluation being hit-or-miss? I didn't mention that JR was drafted by a dysfunctional organization?

As for the fact that some people mature faster than others, you're right. Many recent QBs have displayed play-making ability early in their careers -- but, not all. Why? I don't know, but I'm sure that circumstances have some influence. Sounds to me like you don't think circumstances have anything to do with the development of JR.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;755601]And the dysfunctional argument? Another excuse as Grads and Campbell have been doing something despite Al's nuttery.[/quote]

They weren't doing much three years ago for the Raiders. Weak comparison.

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This is a joke....right?
I think Shanahan needs to be careful not to look like a fool. First he benches McNabb and says he is not fit cardiovascular wise. Then he proceeds to bring in an over weight 300 pound QB wiht a history of weight issues for a try out? HA! Now that is funny.

re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;755602]So, I didn't mention QB talent evaluation being hit-or-miss? I didn't mention that JR was drafted by a dysfunctional organization?

As for the fact that some people mature faster than others, you're right. Many recent QBs have displayed play-making ability early in their careers -- but, not all. Why? I don't know, but I'm sure that circumstances have some influence. Sounds to me like you don't think circumstances have anything to do with the development of JR.[/quote]He could have woken up when he was benched and like Vince Young, have an epiphany. It apparently didn't happen.

Also, who are these QBs who stunk it up and then proceeded to light it up later? And by "stunk it up" I mean play terribly, not so-so or "ok".
[quote]
They weren't doing much three years ago for the Raiders. Weak comparison.[/quote] Oh, and the body language and play of his teammates when he walked into the game against us last year? Any willingness to play for him apparently flew out the window. It's quite clear that he was wallowing in the life of his 50 mil and couldn't give a damn about football.

So what if the organization is dysfunctional, Russell could have been motivated by the simple desire to get back the starting job. A benching should be a huge wake-up call to the QB to play well or else. Even that wasn't enough.

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I have to echo the sentiments that we're JUST bringing him in for a workout, nothing else. Relax people...

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;755545]Id rather have Jamarcus Russell all jacked up on Purple Drank playing left tackle than Heyer!!![/quote]

Lay off the DRANK...that would be Right Tackle.

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[quote=takethecake;755609]I have to echo the sentiments that we're JUST bringing him in for a workout, nothing else. Relax people...[/quote]
Echo.

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Yea I would like to think most know by now....

Simple answer neither. They are both gosh awful.

Neither one of these two clowns services are needed in DC, unless they have a job vacancy for a janitor at Redskin Park.


[quote=SmootSmack;755592]So....anyone else realize we also worked out JP Losman

So Losman or Russell? Which would you rather have?[/quote]

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[quote=Defensewins;755606]This is a joke....right?
I think Shanahan needs to be careful not to look like a fool. First he benches McNabb and says he is not fit cardiovascular wise. Then he proceeds to bring in an over weight 300 pound QB wiht a history of weight issues for a try out? HA! Now that is funny.[/quote]

Exactly......Russel is a buffoon.

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I'm usually not one for absolutes... but hell no on Doughboy. I don't care if he's supposedly got his head on straight- he's terrible. I've seen all the Oakland games I care to see with him. I'm stunned people are even rationalizing the tryout. Even looking at him during the bye week sends a weird message. JaMarcus friggin' Russell?

re: Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)
 

[quote=Defensewins;755606]This is a joke....right?
I think Shanahan needs to be careful not to look like a fool. First he benches McNabb and says he is not fit cardiovascular wise. Then he proceeds to bring in an over weight 300 pound QB wiht a history of weight issues for a try out? HA! Now that is funny.[/quote]

I don't think Shanny really gives a shit what the.....Pundits think of his actions. The same pundits who universally lined up to annoint the cowboys Super Bowl champs.
AND hey, they pulled Brandon Banks and Anthony Armstrong from the trash heap...so I'm good with checking out Russel

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[quote=LavaRnChad;755583]No I don't have a hard time figuring out what this "fan" thing is all about. I just don't spend alot of time on "Cloud 9", so would you please send me a postcard while you're there? Just because I'm looking at things from a REALISTIC standpoint doesn't mean I don't understand what it takes to be a fan. Oh yeah jokes may not be my thing, but neither is kool-aid slurping. What is it like?[/quote]

I wouldn't know

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[quote=LavaRnChad;755586]This is the point I was putting across but according to another poster, I don't know what this "fan thing" is about.[/quote]

Along with jokes you also seem to have problems figuring out when someone is just busting your balls a little. Chill out man.

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[quote=SmootSmack;755592]So....anyone else realize we also worked out JP Losman[/quote]

I'm so embarrassed

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[quote=Mattyk;755475]Come on now, Russell is a project and no threat to any starting QB in this league. Kyle S. said they are working out a few other QBs too. Regardless of what happened Sunday, I think we would still be working guys out. This is a common thing coaches do during a bye. It's more of a scouting and info gathering process for the future.[/quote]

Do the Colts or Patriots do this?

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[quote=Schneed10;755629]Do the Colts or Patriots do this?[/quote]

Work out guys during the bye?

Actually, when he was first cut from the Raiders the Colts were rumored to have an interest in him.

When all is said and done though, it sounds like the Skins were just doing his agent a favor by giving him a workout and getting his name back out there.