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[quote=mredskins;757302]Buster, I think you are all alone on this one not even FD is backing you.[/quote]

Yes, because you said so.

He gets run down in threads too...some is vicious, some is jokingly because of his spelling that he even mocks himself (I think he enjoys it now).

But, really, no Conservative is allowed to make a point here. God forbid someone on your side would have to look at opposing thoughts and examine their beliefs...you may have to admit you were wrong. :laughing2


I'm used to immature libs calling names instead of actually addressing issues...so don't think you'll actually make me care or hurt my feelings. It's how debates are conducted these days.

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Buster, you're free to make whatever point you want. There's always a good back and forth between the left and right here, if you don't think so you must not be paying close enough attention.

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As someone who leans conservative, I feel it's ridiculous Matty that you try to stifle my voice (and GMScud's and FRPLG's and SGG's and CRedskinsRule's and Schneed's...)

I may tease Firstdown on his spelling, but regardless of his inability to spell and that we may disagree on some things (Biggie vs. Tupac) he comes across as someone who I can respect should I ever meet him in person and who is generally and genuinely respectful of others. And he can even mock his fellow right-wingers ([url]http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/37294-bush-sr-might-want-give-up.html[/url]). I would hope he doesn't take my ribbing of his spelling too personally because I think he's a good guy and I like that he's part of this site

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Various impressions:

So what about the Hogettes?

She should have prepared to say that her kid went as Scooby Doo before and he wanted to be a different character from the show this time. The other moms seem like a-holes. As far as the other kids, I'm sure that they kidded him about it, but if he's been otherwise a popular kid he probably will stay that way. (I'm assuming they know him a lot better than the moms do.)

My experience is that some homosexuals are "wired" that way and others are convinced. I think most everybody on the board has seen cases of the former. At the same time I've met at least one woman who was a lesbian and finally realized she started because she was always hanging with her sister (who was a lesbian). She started going out with a guy and realized that the lesbian lifestyle wasn't for her at all.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm OK with homosexuality so long as I don't have to "pay" for it. (I am in agreement with my late father who disliked their co-opting of the word "gay" since it has no equivalent in the English language.) It pissed me off no end that when I lived in Boston the only health club I could afford was the YMCA, and even though I spent more money to avoid the riff-raff, I felt millions of eyes on me in the locker room. I needed to use the pool (I was doing a lot of triathlons at the time) and only ended up taking one shower at the gym, since when I got the shampoo out of my eyes I had more eyes staring at my privates than I could count (and I'm a mathematician!)
It pissed me off that I couldn't go see a sunset next to the Charles River without having to tell guys multiple times that I wasn't interested.
And one year I took off to train for tris (1989). My main focus event was the Double Iron in Huntsville (4.8mile swim, 224 mile bike, 52.4 mile run.) So when I check into the hotel there's this guy who's hanging out at the desk and talking to the clerk. Then when I take my things to my room he follows me, telling me he lives in the hotel... The night before the race (2am) he calls me asking if I'd like a "rub".!?? I had already mentioned (going to my room) about a girl friend 'cause I'd already gotten the weird vibe from him. I just couldn't believe the SOB did that. Needless to say, I got no sleep after that. That was followed up by the wake-up call from the desk. When I got it, I explained what had happened. He laughed and said I had a "lover-boy, ha, ha, ha". I proceeded to tell the desk clerk how the SOB would die. Needless to say, the desk clerk never could figure out the room number of the SOB and the SOB was never visible. Of course, my race was shot. The marines who were crewing for me wanted to "explain" some things to this POS, but I didn't want to get them in trouble, so I nixed the idea. One thing is for the SOB to have wasted one year of work. The other is for the front desk to have covered for him. For me, this is a one-two punch that is unforgivable.

Ironically, when I lived in SF there were a lot fewer problems than in Boston. In Boston I had no idea when and where would be the next disagreeable encounter, whereas in SF I was never in the gay hangout areas, and they seemed to be considerate when you weren't in their "zone".

As far as the bullying in the news, why such a focus on homosexual bullying and not on other? There are huge numbers of kids who commit suicide; why are just these being selected? I find this pandering to this group offensive. (Note: Think of that "almost non-sexual" college student. He was a freshman and committed suicide on Sept 20. His roommate would probably not have videotaped his first sexual escapade, since he probably wouldn't have been sure that it was going to be with a man. So the earliest he would have videotaped would have been the second. By the next one the victim knew what was going on, so that makes at least 3. My question is: Would you have been comfortable sharing a dorm room with a guy who is bringing multiple guys to "sleep with" in the first month of school? I certainly would not.
Shouldn't they give a heterosexual a chance to "opt out" of having a homosexual roommate? Either that or make coed dorm rooms. That makes for an even playing field.
In any event, a terrible shame no matter how you slice it.

And don't get me started on the manipulation of AIDS statistics in this country...(I've dug into it including with AIDS organizations, although not in the last 10 years, and no-one could give me any statistics giving a reasonable breakdown of the spread and probabilities of infection, especially if one isn't in any of the at-risk groups.)

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[quote=SmootSmack;757326]As someone who leans conservative, I feel it's ridiculous Matty that you try to stifle my voice (and GMScud's and FRPLG's and SGG's and CRedskinsRule's and Schneed's...)

I may tease Firstdown on his spelling, but regardless of his inability to spell and that we may disagree on some things (Biggie vs. Tupac) he comes across as someone who I can respect should I ever meet him in person and who is generally and genuinely respectful of others. And he can even mock his fellow right-wingers ([URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/37294-bush-sr-might-want-give-up.html[/URL]). I would hope he doesn't take my ribbing of his spelling too personally because I think he's a good guy and I like that he's part of this site[/quote]

I thought you just put up with me because you figured I was not going away. LOL

As far as what Buster has said here is my views on gays. I have nothing to back this up its just how I feel from what I have observed over the years. I think a % of gays actually do choose the life style for one reason or the other but probably to stand out and get attention. I then think a % for one reason or the other are attracted to men but I have no clue why. Sometime I wonder why girls are attracted to guys. I really don't care and I have never voted for one person over the other because of a gay issue. Its just a none factor to me.

MIK340 the Hogettes are grown men who can reason why they do what they do and how they dress.

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Question for us straight guys, ask yourself this... could you "choose" to be gay?

I couldn't.

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[quote=Mattyk;757356]Question for us straight guys, ask yourself this... could you "choose" to be gay?

I couldn't.[/quote]

A good budy of mine has a friend (actually a guy his family kind of adopted) who is/was gay for the first 15 yrs I knew him. This past summer when I see him I hear someone say he had found god a gone straight. That I don't get.

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As a psychology student, there's a reason why homosexuality isn't included in the DSM anymore. Granted, it used to be... But homosexuality hasn't been included in the manual since 1973. Obviously nobody has to agree with homosexuality, but people that think it's a mental disorder are basically living in the dark ages.

It's like saying the earth is flat, when it's obviously not. Nature vs. nurture, will always be up for debate in terms of homosexuality, but anyone who thinks its a mental disorder... You might as well not even bother explaining it as to why it isn't. You're wasting your time and theirs. That view is so skewed its not even worth trying to explain it out.

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[quote=firstdown;757358]A good budy of mine has a friend (actually a guy his family kind of adopted) who is/was gay for the first 15 yrs I knew him. This past summer when I see him I hear someone say he had found god a gone straight. That I don't get.[/quote]

Those types of people were probably always confused about their sexuality and was never gay to begin with or maybe just bisexual.

He probably just found the right woman and things started making sense to him.

Anyone ever heard of the Kinsey Scale?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale]Kinsey scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;757359]As a psychology student, there's a reason why homosexuality isn't included in the DSM anymore. Granted, it used to be... But homosexuality hasn't been included in the manual since 1973. Obviously nobody has to agree with homosexuality, but people that think it's a mental disorder are basically living in the dark ages.

It's like saying the earth is flat, when it's obviously not. Nature vs. nurture, will always be up for debate in terms of homosexuality, but anyone who thinks its a mental disorder... You might as well not even bother explaining it as to why it isn't. You're wasting your time and theirs. That view is so skewed its not even worth trying to explain it out.[/quote]

Well said, totally agree

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[quote=mredskins;757302]Buster, I think you are all alone on this one not even FD is backing you.[/quote]

While I don't really agree with buster on this issue because he has different views about gays does not make him a honophob.

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[quote=firstdown;757364]While I don't really agree with buster on this issue because he has different views about gays does not make him a honophob.[/quote]

In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coretta_Scott_King"]Coretta Scott King[/URL] stated that "Homophobia is like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism"]racism[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism"]anti-Semitism[/URL] and other forms of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry"]bigotry[/URL] in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia"]Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

Although his views are incredibly... Well.. Questionable to say the least. I don't believe Buster is homophobic either.

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Ok this is funny;Rating Description
0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual.
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual
X

What the hell is 1 Predominantly heterosexual,[B] only incidentally homosexual [/B]

Is that when two guys are banging the same chick and one guy incidentally touches the other guys boy's.

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[quote=firstdown;757367]Ok this is funny;Rating Description
0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual.
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual
X

What the hell is 1 Predominantly heterosexual,[B] only incidentally homosexual [/B]

Is that when two guys are banging the same chick and one guy incidentally touches the other guys boy's.[/quote]

lol I'd say its more like.. a 1 time, "I got curious" incident. Probably not full blown sexual contact.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;757368]lol I'd say its more like.. a 1 time, "I got curious" incident. Probably not[B] full blown sexual contact[/B].[/quote]

You picked those words for a reason.:spank:

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[quote=firstdown;757369]You picked those words for a reason.:spank:[/quote]

LOL. FD, you can be a riot sometimes. :D

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[quote=DynamiteRave;757371]LOL. FD, you can be a riot sometimes. :D[/quote]

Your a gem yourself. I was going to ask you how school is going but from your post I can tell your doing great.

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Guys have a good night with all this talk about sex I'm going to go to bed before the wife goes to sleep and try out number 0.

0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual.
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual
X

Hey we can use this rating system to rate new posters.

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I was joking Buster. I don't care either way.

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Its one thing for your 5 year old want to dress up as the girl from Scooby Doo because but its another thing to let your 7 year old son be a girl:

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/young-boy-wishes-join-girl-scouts-210130922.html]Young boy wishes to join Girl Scouts | The Upshot - Yahoo! News[/url]

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Sorry this is a case that mom wanted a girl and got a boy. She has probably treated the boy like a girl from day one. I'd love to here the history behind this boy and how he was raised from someone that knows the situation. Where the hell is dad? In the interview the boy said I like girl stuff just like me. Thats a sign of mom brainwashing the kid.

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what do you call it if you getting oral pleasure from a woman but realize its a tranny and dont stop him/her?

i mean a really really good looking tranny. not some obvious, adams apple 6 foot tall type.

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[quote=over the mountain;852730][I]what do you call it [/I]if you getting oral pleasure from a woman but realize its a tranny and dont stop him/her?

i mean a really really good looking tranny. not some obvious, adams apple 6 foot tall type.[/quote]

The Crying Game?

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[quote=over the mountain;852730]what do you call it if you getting oral pleasure from a woman but realize its a tranny and dont stop him/her?

i mean a really really good looking tranny. not some obvious, adams apple 6 foot tall type.[/quote]


Like really really good looking?

Reminds me of hall pass when some guy ask if you had to would you rather make out with a guy for 5 minutes or let him blow you for 3. Horrible decisions

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[quote=mlmpetert;852660]Its one thing for your 5 year old want to dress up as the girl from Scooby Doo because but its another thing to let your 7 year old son be a girl:

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/young-boy-wishes-join-girl-scouts-210130922.html]Young boy wishes to join Girl Scouts | The Upshot - Yahoo! News[/url][/quote]

They pulled the link.

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[quote=mlmpetert;852736]Like really really good looking?

Reminds me of hall pass when some guy ask if you had to would you rather make out with a guy for 5 minutes or let him blow you for 3. Horrible decisions[/quote]

Boo spoiler alert. /Still haven't seen Hall Pass, regretfully.

Also I would choose option c, which would be neither.

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[quote=over the mountain;852730]what do you call it if you getting oral pleasure from a woman but realize its a tranny and dont stop him/her?

i mean a really really good looking tranny. not some obvious, adams apple 6 foot tall type.[/quote]

I knew someone who had this happen. Yr's back every Friday a bunch of us would meet at a bar and have a few cold ones to kick off the weekend. It was mixed with people I knew well and not so well. This one guy comes in one Friday after starting a new job and started talking about this hot chick he picked up and for $20 gave him a BJ while he drove around the block. This older man down the bar ask him what the girl looked like and when the guy was done explaining the older man said "that's not a girl its a guy". It was as if someone set off beer fireworks as we all spit out our beers laughing. Then the jokes started. Are you gay if you don't know etc... The guy hung around a few minutes then left to go the bathroom never to be seen again. The older man did explain that he knew the guy must have been new on the job because everyone knew about the transvestite that worked the street there. We still laugh about that 17 or so yrs later and still no one has seen the guy again.

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[quote=mooby;852739]Boo spoiler alert. /Still haven't seen Hall Pass, regretfully.

Also I would choose option c, which would be neither.[/quote]


It doesnt really give anything away, it just made me sick thinking about it. Also in my opinion Hall Pass sucked. So if you watch it go in with much lower expectations then you may have gotten from the trailer or something. I have a couple friends that say its one of those movies that gets better after the first time like Grandma's Boy or Super Troopers, but thats saying a lot and i see no way Hall Pass could ever be really funny.

Have you seen Hot Tub Time Machine? Its got a horrible name that likely made a lot of people look past it but i think its up there with Old School, in terms of recent really good comidies almost everyone will like.

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[quote=mlmpetert;852753]It doesnt really give anything away, it just made me sick thinking about it. Also in my opinion Hall Pass sucked. So if you watch it go in with much lower expectations then you may have gotten from the trailer or something. I have a couple friends that say its one of those movies that gets better after the first time like Grandma's Boy or Super Troopers, but thats saying a lot and i see no way Hall Pass could ever be really funny.

Have you seen Hot Tub Time Machine? Its got a horrible name that likely made a lot of people look past it but i think its up there with Old School, in terms of recent really good comidies almost everyone will like.[/quote]

Yeah I don't think it's giving anything huge away, so no big deal. And I'll be sure to keep it mind. I don't have huge expectations of it anyway, otherwise I'dve seen it by now. So if it's relatively funny I'll be fine with it. And yeah I've seen HTTM too, that was another comedy I'd say is on the same level as Old School, etc. So if it's almost as funny as that I'll be happy. I'm prob. going to rent it for a buck from Redbox so even if it's disappointing I won't be too upset about it.

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^ Hot Tub Time Machine is so awesome! I love that movie, great drinking movie to watch.


As far as the Girl Scout boy, sorry but girl scouts are for girls and boy scouts are for boys. I may have to agree with first on this one it looks the mom want a girl vs. a boy. His hair is even braided, WTF? The boy may very well be gay but at seven really braiding his hair and having him join the girl scouts? I am all for letting your kid do what he/she wants but sometimes you just have to tell them no it is not a good idea.

If he was son I would tell him no. At seven by letting him join the girl scouts you are just confusing him and confusing the other girls and open the door for him to be hurt. If he is truly gay he has a lot of hurt come from the real world when he gets older no need to ruin his childhood as well.

This is somewhat off topic but they show him playing with girl toys in the video, it is weird how folks freak when a boy plays with girl toys but if a girl plays with boy toys it is no big deal. My nieces play with matchboxes/hot wheels all day long no one says a word but when my son starts to play with their play-kitchen my Mother In Law gets all nervous and tells him to stop.

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[quote=mredskins;852765]^ Hot Tub Time Machine is so awesome! I love that movie, great drinking movie to watch.


As far as the Girl Scout boy, sorry but girl scouts are for girls and boy scouts are for boys. I may have to agree with first on this one it looks the mom want a girl vs. a boy. His hair is even braided, WTF? The boy may very well be gay but at seven really braiding his hair and having him join the girl scouts? I am all for letting your kid do what he/she wants but sometimes you just have to tell them no it is not a good idea.

If he was son I would tell him no. At seven by letting him join the girl scouts you are just confusing him and confusing the other girls and open the door for him to be hurt. If he is truly gay he has a lot of hurt come from the real world when he gets older no need to ruin his childhood as well.

This is somewhat off topic but they show him playing with girl toys in the video, it is weird how folks freak when a boy plays with girl toys but if a girl plays with boy toys it is no big deal. My nieces play with matchboxes/hot wheels all day long no one says a word but when my son starts to play with their play-kitchen my Mother In Law gets all nervous and tells him to stop.[/quote]

Well when boys play with girl toys they are viewed as sissies, or potential sissies. That's not a good thing for the ultra-competitive male society we live in today. When a girl plays with boy toys (no pun intended) they are simply viewed as being more tough or manly than other girls. It all plays into gender roles, and boys that play with girl toys probably get viewed as a guy who might be bi-curious or gay later in life. And some parents don't want that. Your MIL probably is afraid that this will lead your son down a contentious path down the road.

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[quote=mooby;852770]Well when boys play with girl toys they are viewed as sissies, or potential sissies. That's not a good thing for the ultra-competitive male society we live in today. When a girl plays with boy toys (no pun intended) they are simply viewed as being more tough or manly than other girls. It all plays into gender roles, and boys that play with girl toys probably get viewed as a guy who might be bi-curious or gay later in life. And some parents don't want that. Your MIL probably is afraid that this will lead your son down a contentious path down the road.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong with a boy picking up a girls doll or something and playing with it from time to time as most boy do. I personally think this is a case of the mother pushing this on the kid from a very young age.

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[quote=mredskins;852765]^ Hot Tub Time Machine is so awesome! I love that movie, great drinking movie to watch.


As far as the Girl Scout boy, sorry but girl scouts are for girls and boy scouts are for boys. I may have to agree with first on this one it looks the mom want a girl vs. a boy. His hair is even braided, WTF? The boy may very well be gay but at seven really braiding his hair and having him join the girl scouts? I am all for letting your kid do what he/she wants but sometimes you just have to tell them no it is not a good idea.

If he was son I would tell him no. At seven by letting him join the girl scouts you are just confusing him and confusing the other girls and open the door for him to be hurt. If he is truly gay he has a lot of hurt come from the real world when he gets older no need to ruin his childhood as well.

This is somewhat off topic but they show him playing with girl toys in the video, it is weird how folks freak when a boy plays with girl toys but if a girl plays with boy toys it is no big deal. My nieces play with matchboxes/hot wheels all day long no one says a word but when my son starts to play with their play-kitchen my Mother In Law gets all nervous and tells him to stop.[/quote]


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You started a thread a month or so ago about a gay kid that killed himself. I didnt want to say anything in it, but honestly that kid and his family brought the hate upon himself. I think he was tormented partly because he was gay but mainly because of all the attention he brought upon himself. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its like if a girl in high school talks about how shes so pretty because shes a beauty queen, when in reality her parents pay for her to enter pageants. Kids are gonna talk shit about her. If shes slightly overweight shes gonna be called some pretty horrible names, that’s just the way kids are. By entering pageants and sharing that with others she brings rightful attention and just scrutiny upon her looks. You combine that with a self promotion, narcissist, know it all, liberal (jk), or caddy type of personality and that girl is gonna be called some not so pretty things.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Im sure most gay kids and fat girls are always gonna get picked on, but if youre an activist gay kid that’s in your face flamboyant and brings attention upon yourself and your cause you are going to be made fun of more so and more viscously then the regular kid in class that happens to be gay. Its just like a slight chubby girl who tells everyone how pretty she is because she has to leave school early today to get headshots before this weekend’s beauty pageant. Shes gonna hear more negative opinions about her looks then the fat girl that doesnt invite scrutiny upon herself. If you cant handle the negative attention then don’t flaunt what you think everyone else should appreciate or understand. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But for young people I cant really say it’s a kids fault that they are brining on unwanted attention. Its most likely the parents’ (or parent’s) fault because they probably reinforced or taught their kid to display a direct in your face attitude, by constantly telling their fat daughter how shes so much prettier than everyone else at school or how accepting everyone should be of their son's in your face gay attitude, because they think its just great. So to let a 7 year boy think theyre a girl by treating them that way is child abuse, imo. Regardless if he turns out to be gay/transgender or not hes going to face some serious confusion when he reaches maturity. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I don’t think theres anything wrong with letting a boy play with girl toys that are laying around or letting your son dress up as a their favorite Scooby Doo costume for Halloween even if that character happens to be female. Whats wrong is endorsing your childs belief that he is a girl or she is a boy by outfitting them with clothes, toys and haircuts that don’t belong on their gender. Once they grow up and reach full physical and mental maturity and they feel a particular way, then fine, like any adult respect them through their actions. Allowing your child to be a transvestite in the meantime is just abuse. When I see things on the news about minors getting sex changes or hormone suppression treatments I think its just as bad as a pedophile engaging in contact with a minor and thinking its okay because the teen consented. Minors cant consent in either instance. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Seriousness aside and as a side note my mom let me go as a witch for Halloween when I was in preschool or kindergarten in the late 80’s. At the time I had no idea that witches were female, I just thought they were witches and to me that was the scariest costume I could get. My brother is almost 2 years older than me and at the time didn’t really realize either that witches were just female, however, later in life he would give me a hard time about it, and I was always pissed that my mom let me go as a witch. When any of my friends find out they always make fun of me in a joking way , except for girls. For some reason girls always think its adorable and it scores me points…..[/FONT][/COLOR]

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I think gender is a social construct and I personally can't stand the gender binary.

That said, I think its a shame this kid can't join the girl scouts, but I understand why. Its tradition and I don't think anyone should break that for anyone.

I think the kid should be free to do what HE wants. I didn't read the link or much about the story just due to the hateful drivel most people spew in the comments section but if its the mother pushing this on her son then I don't even understand how the lady still HAS the kid. CPS anyone?

If it's the boy's wishes that he could join the girl scouts (without any of the mothers influence/pressuring him to act feminine), I think you just have to sit him aside and explain that sometimes the world is operated in a way that there are some things only girls can do and some things only boys can do and this is one of them. Basically the "sometimes life's not fair" kind of talk.

This reminds me of the family that was in the news not too long ago, who wouldn't tell anyone if their kid was a boy or a girl and wanted the kid to come to that conclusion himself (it was obviously a boy). I get what the parents are trying to do, but I mean you HAVE to give the kid some sort of structure. If its a boy you need to let your kid know he's a boy and if he decides as he gets older that he wants to gender bend or do whatever he wants with his gender fine. But it's almost cruel and definitely destructive to not give your kid any sort of jumping off point in terms of self-identity.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;852810]I think gender is a social construct and I personally can't stand the gender binary.

That said, I think its a shame this kid can't join the girl scouts, but I understand why. Its tradition and I don't think anyone should break that for anyone.

I think the kid should be free to do what HE wants. I didn't read the link or much about the story just due to the hateful drivel most people spew in the comments section but if its the mother pushing this on her son then I don't even understand how the lady still HAS the kid. CPS anyone?

If it's the boy's wishes that he could join the girl scouts (without any of the mothers influence/pressuring him to act feminine), I think you just have to sit him aside and explain that sometimes the world is operated in a way that there are some things only girls can do and some things only boys can do and this is one of them. Basically the "sometimes life's not fair" kind of talk.

This reminds me of the family that was in the news not too long ago, who wouldn't tell anyone if their kid was a boy or a girl and wanted the kid to come to that conclusion himself (it was obviously a boy). I get what the parents are trying to do, but I mean you HAVE to give the kid some sort of structure. If its a boy you need to let your kid know he's a boy and if he decides as he gets older that he wants to gender bend or do whatever he wants with his gender fine. But it's almost cruel and definitely destructive to not give your kid any sort of jumping off point in terms of self-identity.[/quote]


At some point in the video the boy calls himself a girl. I personally think that at age 7 the only way a boy could think that way was by some type of influence from his mom. I think mom wanted a girl and is treating the son as a girl but i could be totally wrong. The sad part is this boy is going to have a tough life growing up.

BTW how have you been doing? Still in school?

[QUOTE=firstdown;852830]At some point in the video the boy calls himself a girl. I personally think that at age 7 the only way a boy could think that way was by some type of influence from his mom. I think mom wanted a girl and is treating the son as a girl but i could be totally wrong. The sad part is this boy is going to have a tough life growing up.

BTW how have you been doing? Still in school?[/QUOTE]

You may think all that but how do you know? Maybe the boy just likes acting like a girl and his mom chooses to let him.

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[quote=mooby;852838]You may think all that but how do you know? Maybe the boy just likes acting like a girl and his mom chooses to let him.[/quote]

Well I mean she must not be correcting him. I mean even though I'm all for gender bending and what not. You gotta let the boy know he's a boy. Even if he likes girl things at the end of the day he's still a boy. He's not biologically a girl. I mean I just feel like to self-identify correctly, you need to know who you are and then who you aren't and then take it from there. A 7 year old can't know all that yet. Technically gender identity doesn't even start forming till around 9 or 10 years old. He may know he's different and doesn't feel like a boy, but I just find it a bit startling that he's already saying he considers himself a girl. I can only think that his mother hasn't tried to correct him or guide him at all and is being totally permissive about the whole thing. I may be wrong.

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[quote=firstdown;852830]At some point in the video the boy calls himself a girl. I personally think that at age 7 the only way a boy could think that way was by some type of influence from his mom. I think mom wanted a girl and is treating the son as a girl but i could be totally wrong. The sad part is this boy is going to have a tough life growing up.

BTW how have you been doing? Still in school?[/quote]

Pretty good. Yep. Started grad school this year.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;852842]Well I mean she must not be correcting him. I mean even though I'm all for gender bending and what not. You gotta let the boy know he's a boy. Even if he likes girl things at the end of the day he's still a boy. He's not biologically a girl. I mean I just feel like to self-identify correctly, you need to know who you are and then who you aren't and then take it from there. A 7 year old can't know all that yet. Technically gender identity doesn't even start forming till around 9 or 10 years old. He may know he's different and doesn't feel like a boy, but I just find it a bit startling that he's already saying he considers himself a girl. I can only think that his mother hasn't tried to correct him or guide him at all and is being totally permissive about the whole thing. I may be wrong.[/QUOTE]

I agree, obviously she's not correcting him in any way, but I feel like taking her pov as a mom on this one. It sounds like she's decided to be completely supportive of him whatever his endeavors are, and if I ever become a parent I'd have the same pov.

I don't think it's that serious, I'm sure the kid already knows he's a boy, he probably doesn't use the girls bathroom when he needs to handle his business, and I'm sure his mom has already established the fact that if he wants to be treated by a girl there will be limitations. But joining the girl scouts shouldn't be a big one, it's just a girls club where they do girly shit that he obviously wants to partake in. Unless highly questionable activities were going on inside the club it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Still though I understand the girl scouts side of this, i agree with the keeping of tradition and respect it completely.

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[quote=mooby;852844]I agree, obviously she's not correcting him in any way, but I feel like taking her pov as a mom on this one. It sounds like she's decided to be completely supportive of him whatever his endeavors are, and if I ever become a parent I'd have the same pov.

I don't think it's that serious, I'm sure the kid already knows he's a boy, he probably doesn't use the girls bathroom when he needs to handle his business, and I'm sure his mom has already established the fact that if he wants to be treated by a girl there will be limitations. But joining the girl scouts shouldn't be a big one,[B] it's just a girls club[/B] where they do girly shit that he obviously wants to partake in. Unless highly questionable activities were going on inside the club it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Still though I understand the girl scouts side of this, i agree with the keeping of tradition and respect it completely.[/quote]


And he is not a girl.