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two weeks after benching him for performance? Holy hell... this team is going to give me an aneurysm.

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What's funny is that Cutler (who lots of Redskins fans wanted) before he was traded to Chicago, signed a contract with the Bears for almost 1/2 the price.

10/20/2009: Signed a five-year, $49.77 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $7 million signing bonus, virtually all of Cutler's first-year salary, and $3.3 million of his 2010 base pay. Cutler can earn $500,000 workout bonuses in each year 2010-2013. 2009: $10.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $7.5 million, 2011: $8.1 million, 2012: $8.2 million, 2013: $8.9 million, 2014: Free Agent. Cap charge: $11.435 million (2009).

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I personally don't care how much we invest in him. As long as there is no salary cap, it's Dan Snyder's money, not mine. I'm just glad he'll be here for another couple years so thats one less thing we have to worry about. I'd like to take a QB in the 2012 draft; groom him for a year or so and then bring him in. The time/amount don't really bother me at all.

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Even though this is supposedly Bruce Allen's deal...the timing of the announcement being just hours before the monday night matchup with his old team reeks of Snyder.
(not to mention the wad of cash)

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[QUOTE=random web]"(18) Any increase in a playe's Salary for the current League Year, if the NFL Management Council does not receive notice of the salary terms of such an executed extended or renegotiated contract prior to 4:00 p.m. (New York Time) on the Monday of the tenth week of the regular season.

Analysis: The deadline for adding non-prorated salary to a player's contract is monday of week 10. After that, any increase in salary gets prorated as though it is a signing bonus." [/QUOTE]

That is from the current CBA and may be a part of why the deal got done before 4pm today. Just means any increase in this years salary doesn't get pro-rated ala a signing bonus.

Overall, McNabb was gonna get paid, and this seems about right to me, it's not Peyton Manning money, but it is reflective of a multi year PB contender, and top (not elite) qb.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;758427]What's funny is that Cutler (who lots of Redskins fans wanted) before he was traded to Chicago, signed a contract with the Bears for almost 1/2 the price.

10/20/2009: Signed a five-year, $49.77 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $7 million signing bonus, virtually all of Cutler's first-year salary, and $3.3 million of his 2010 base pay. Cutler can earn $500,000 workout bonuses in each year 2010-2013. 2009: $10.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $7.5 million, 2011: $8.1 million, 2012: $8.2 million, 2013: $8.9 million, 2014: Free Agent. Cap charge: $11.435 million (2009).[/quote]

Who cares about this generation's Jeff George? Arm with no leadership. Donovan is worth twice as much for his huddle presence alone.

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Right now I'm hearing this is essentially a 2-3 year deal. The total money likely to be paid out is much less than being reported, kind of like Haynesworth and his $100 million

But still trying to confirm things.

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[quote=Ruhskins;758422]I hear that McNabb had to take a cardiovascular endurance test before getting the new deal.[/quote]
I heard it consisted of running a 2 min O.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;758406]You can't add the 8 mill to the 15.6 mill.

78Mill over 5 years = 15.6 mill per year.

40 mill of the 78 is guaranteed so of the 15.6 mill per year 8 of that is guaranteed.

BUT

Chances are the bulk of the 40 is in the first few years, so probably its more weighted like 25 per year the first two years and 12.66mil the last 3 years.

Here is a link to a good article (not on the salary but the benching/extension connection)
[URL="http://dcsportsradio.com/2010/11/15/the-bench-the-bank-and-in-everything-between/"]The Bench, The Bank and in everything Between! « DC Sports Radio[/URL][/quote]


GC on it only being 15.6 mil per year, i was about to say I did that wrong because the 8 mil bonus would be part of the 15.6 mil per year total cost.

I think the contract is probably gonna be front loaded because they don't know how many years McNabb is going to give us as a starting quarterback. So even though it averages 15.6 mil per year, it's probably gonna be a lot higher than that in the first 1-3 years of the deal, then a lot lower than that in the final 2 years so we can release him or if he retires and we don't want a huge cap hit.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;758410]Giving up possibly two young guys who could have established stability at a position for over half a decade(i.e Landry and Nate Allen at safety) for someone who would be lucky to last that long is not a very sound strategy. Also, it removes the ability to sacrifice a season to target the next big QB that will be coming in the near future.[/quote]

A franchise quarterback is worth any two starting defensive players.

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If the contract is that big his mentor Michael Vick loves him even more today because it drives his stock up even higher.

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I like it, allows us to bring in a QB & groom him on the bench for a few years. Next year we pick up a big time free agent WR IMO.

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I like the move. Not worrying too much about the money, it's nice that we have essentially guaranteed that McNabb is going to retire as a skin. I wouldn't really want many other QBs in the league to tutor whoever we draft to be our next young QB.

I don't understand how people can be upset about this. If you don't resign him, you waste two draft picks and are stuck with either sexy rex or a rookie. How is that better? Signing him for five years isn't guaranteeing that he'll start until his contract is up.

Besides, tonight he's going to have a great game. McNabb always plays well after a benching or a bye, and this week he has both. I expect big things tonight, and not because of the payday.

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[quote=Gmanc711;758428]I personally don't care how much we invest in him. [B]As long as there is no salary cap, it's Dan Snyder's money, not mine[/B]. I'm just glad he'll be here for another couple years so thats one less thing we have to worry about. I'd like to take a QB in the 2012 draft; groom him for a year or so and then bring him in. The time/amount don't really bother me at all.[/quote]

Exactly...
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[quote=SFREDSKIN;758427]What's funny is that Cutler (who lots of Redskins fans wanted) before he was traded to Chicago, signed a contract with the Bears for almost 1/2 the price.

10/20/2009: Signed a five-year, $49.77 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $7 million signing bonus, virtually all of Cutler's first-year salary, and $3.3 million of his 2010 base pay. Cutler can earn $500,000 workout bonuses in each year 2010-2013. 2009: $10.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $7.5 million, 2011: $8.1 million, 2012: $8.2 million, 2013: $8.9 million, 2014: Free Agent. Cap charge: $11.435 million (2009).[/quote]

It's doubtful McNabb could have gotten a deal of this magnitude anywhere else in the league, certainly not in Philly.

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I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. It's just insanity.

I mean, how much money are they planning to eat on the back end? McNabb obviously won't be in Washington in 2014, and it's not uncommon to completely backload a deal thats simply designed to keep him off the open market until it sets itself after the next CBA is done.

It's worth pointing out that McNabb's job security is a week to week deal. But his financial security basically makes his roster spot safe through 2012. Which greatly undermines anything either Shanahan would try to do to improve him as a player.

It's insane how easy this organization throws around it's money. The redeeming grace of this deal is that we've seen that no amount of financial security is going to affect Shanahan's QB plan for the future.

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[quote=Monksdown;758437]A franchise quarterback is worth any two starting defensive players.[/quote]Where the heck can we find a franchise quarterback under these conditions?

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Never read so many over reaction posts in my life.
Redskins fans are never happy.

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Man dammed if you do dammed if you don't. The Skins finally make a great move for the future on a future Hall of Fame quarterback whom has plenty of tread left on the tires and people are still bitching. The Redskins will be a contender for years to come now that we have him signed. Kudos to Bruce Allen for making this happen. Now its:food-smil:food-smil:food-smil time to wipe the floor with the Eagles tonight!!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;758377]Cmon diehard, Chill out.. If 5 has 250 and 2 Tds tonight in a win you wont hate them.[/quote]

Ok, ok. I'll take that back.

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New contract come with a new offensive line?

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[quote=Defensewins;758450]Never read so many over reaction posts in my life.
Redskins fans are never happy.[/quote]

Pssh, you should see my facebook news feed page. A bunch of people bitching about the McNabb signing.

It could be worse people... We could be the Cowboys. :)

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I hope Donovan doesn't spend any money on jewelry like Dez Bryant

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Dez-Bryant-loses-diamond-earring-during-Cowboys-?urn=nfl-285710]Dez Bryant loses diamond earring during Cowboys victory - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Gmanc711;758428]I personally don't care how much we invest in him. As long as there is no salary cap, it's Dan Snyder's money, not mine. I'm just glad he'll be here for another couple years so thats one less thing we have to worry about. I'd like to take a QB in the 2012 draft; groom him for a year or so and then bring him in. The time/amount don't really bother me at all.[/quote]

This is spot on. So long as we don't end up in "cap hell" (which, according to all the pundits, we've been in for years), what difference does the cost make?

My guess is you bring in a serious young prospect or two over the next few years, groom em behind DMac, and then keep DMac as a vet backup. Now, if DMac suddenly gets hot, he'll get his incentive money. If not, it's stability until the true savior arrives. We've still got a ton of team to build before we're going anywhere, IMO. This locks in one piece, and it shuts down all the gossip for a while. I'm fine with the move, even at 80 mill.

Now, if we re-sign captain Rabach for big money...:Smoker:

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Good move, this should shut the media up about this whole 'Donovan won't be in DC next year"

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[quote=GMScud;758331]That's almost as much guaranteed as Brady. And a 5 year deal? That's too much money, too many years. I'm happy we extended him, but not for that much.

It will make for interesting television tonight for sure. One thing is certain- if we come out and lay an egg tonight, we'll get blasted (as usual).[/quote]

I totally agree, this is waaaay to many years and waaaaay too much $. DM is a nice QB but this deal is too big.

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[quote=Defensewins;758450]Never read so many over reaction posts in my life.
Redskins fans are never happy.[/quote]

No shit

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Well, Mortensen just said that when the details of the contract come out, it will in all likelyhood be about $10-$12M in new money, and the Skins will have the ability to walk away from the deal after 1 or 2 seasons before the rest of this guaranteed money really kicks in. If that's the truth, then I can definitely live with that.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;758359]Say what you guys want,but is the BEST move we could have made.

We have invested 2 draft picks in this guy for a 2nd and (3rd or 4th rounder)

Now Shanahan can draft his future and Redskins future prospect whoever that will be and groom him behind McNabb.

Instead of losing him to Free Agency and finding a way to fill the QB position and waiting for him to learn the offense or Sexy Rexy being our starter,we can now look to address the O-line,WR and what other positions of need in upcoming seasons.

GREAT JOB BRUCE!!
HTTR[/quote]

Exactly.

This is the right move for the team. The redskins have never had success drafting QBs because of a. lack of stability at coach and b. lack of an O-line. (shuler, ramsey, campell). Even in Gibbs 1 - we won because of the O-line. They made the many QBs look good. (theisman, schrader, williams, rypien)

DMAC is smart enough to give us a chance with an incomplete O-line. He's also a positive personality and most importantly a leader. JC never had that leadership quality and DMAC is a unifying force for the team.

The knock on him is choking in big games - like an NFC championship of SB. When we get there we can worry about that.

With this extension we have a legit QB and a legit coaching staff. We can put in place the O-line through the draft and the playbook which really takes 2-3 years.

Once we have an O-line we can draft a young QB who can start 3-4 years from now.

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[quote=Defensewins;758450][B]Never read so many over reaction posts in my life. [/B]
Redskins fans are never happy.[/quote]

An overreaction is giving McNabb $40M in guarantees. :)

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[quote=takethecake;758441]

I don't understand how people can be upset about this. If you don't resign him, you waste two draft picks and are stuck with either sexy rex or a rookie. How is that better? Signing him for five years isn't guaranteeing that he'll start until his contract is up.[/quote]

Stuck with a rookie? Yeah I guess that wouldn't work out too well... Just look at what the Lions, Rams, Jets, Ravens and Falcons got stuck with. Nahhh, we wouldn't want nothing like that.

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5 years 40 mill is fair if he can stay healthy and play consistent. The incentives are there if he wants to be lights out and take us to the SuperBowl and complete a hand of rings. Will that happen?

I think this is more of a bu$ine$$ move than anything else. They weighed their options of draft availability, need of OL/WR priority, likelihood of getting better player via FA, divided by jersey/tickets sales and the interest of having our first HOF QB retire with the team since ...SONNY? IDK.

Now we can get to business. Renovate OL and cast our bait and hope to land WR's in FA and rebuild.
HTTR-

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[quote=GMScud;758468]Well, Mortensen just said that when the details of the contract come out, it will in all likelyhood be about $10-$12M in new money, and the Skins will have the ability to walk away from the deal after 1 or 2 seasons before the rest of this guaranteed money really kicks in. If that's the truth, then I can definitely live with that.[/quote]

It's a good deal. The offseason crop of FA's blows. Draft...think again.....under contract...BECK
It's a good deal

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Mcnabb's actual TD-Int ratio is 7-6. 2 of his INT's were off end of half hail mary's.

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If it makes them protect their investment more, i.e., keep more in pass blocking and go less for bombs and more for intermediate routes, I'm all for it.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;758474]Stuck with a rookie? Yeah I guess that wouldn't work out too well... Just look at what the Lions, Rams, Jets, Ravens and Falcons got stuck with. Nahhh, we wouldn't want nothing like that.[/quote]

All teams with much better offensive lines than ours. If bradford was behind the redskins o-line right now, we would be screaming for grossman...we're lucky to have a quarterback like mcnabb who can actually make plays when he's under siege, or else this season looks just like last year.

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Just heard Bruce A. saying this deal was offered to DM in October and the goal then was to get it done in the bi week.

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The bi week? Come on dude that can't be for real

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[quote=Mattyk;758517]The bi week? Come on dude that can't be for real[/quote]

Are you saying I need to spell it out as Bye week or that Bruce A did not just say that on the radio?

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[quote=GMScud;758468]Well, Mortensen just said that when the details of the contract come out, it will in all likelyhood be about $10-$12M in new money, and the Skins will have the ability to walk away from the deal after 1 or 2 seasons before the rest of this guaranteed money really kicks in. If that's the truth, then I can definitely live with that.[/quote]Which leads back to the question I asked earlier: exactly how much dead money are we planning on leaving on the table in this deal?

None would be ideal, but it's also not realistic for the Redskins.