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saden1 11-16-2010 11:45 AM

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[quote=Mattyk;759459]I guess now we know how the Broncos felt in the SB in '87[/quote]

LOOOOOL...our record of 35 pts in quarter in modern era still stands

hail_2_da_skins 11-16-2010 11:46 AM

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It was painfully obvious to me, the Redskins were the older, slower and less talented team on the field. I've seen signs of this in the fourth quarter meltdowns but this was the first time since the Patriots Massacre that the meltdown started from the opening play. The Eagles talked trash in warm-ups and proceed to make a mockery of the old men. The Skins looked like they were running on the beach. Now what? Will the Redskin management realize that a total overhaul is required. This team has neglected the draft for too long and its embarrassing to watch a bunch of slow, old men trying to catch fast, young men.

Jontrem 11-16-2010 11:48 AM

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Also anyone think it was a bad idea to let Banks play last night?

44ever 11-16-2010 11:56 AM

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[quote=Mattyk;759459]I guess now we know how the Broncos felt in the SB in '87[/quote]

Yeah, except the Broncos at least made it to the SB.

But that must have been a complete shocker for them to watch. Funny thing is, they thought they had us early in that game, then the giant woke up. You just knew every time we put the ball in the air something great was going to happen. Man I miss them days.

It's going to be interesting to see how Shanny and co. handles all this .

Lotus 11-16-2010 12:07 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;759459]I guess now we know how the Broncos felt in the SB in '87[/quote]

Watching the mismatch (I won't call it a game), I felt like it was the Raiders '83 Super Bowl all over again.

BDBohnzie 11-16-2010 12:13 PM

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I thought about turning it off when it was 28-0. And again when it was 35-7, and again at half time when it was 45-14. But I didn't. I allowed myself to suffer through a humiliating defeat. And would do it again tomorrow, as I seem to have a sick sense of humor.

Here are my thoughts:

Kareem Moore is terrible. He was out of position on too many plays and takes the worst angles. The worst was Harrison's 50 yard TD run.

Haslett's secondary schemes need to be changed. By now, every team knows that the Skins play well off the ball, and will give up everything underneath. Even if underneath is stretched to 10, 12, 15 yards as it was last night. The Eagles were able to march down effectively by throwing underneath and did so on short fields and using extended chunks of yards on each completion.

The defense was completely exploited when Landry moved up to shadow Vick. Fletcher dropped back into a deep zone, leaving the middle of the field completely wide open, and Vick took complete advantage.

Keiland Williams filled in admirably for Torain last night. Almost 140 yards from scrimmage and 3 TDs. Running with a presence, hitting holes hard, and making things happen. However, he had no help as the Skins had to rely on Darrel Young (who by the way is shaping up to be a younger version of Mike Sellars, just hope he blocks better) to carry the ball in relief of Williams since Torain was hurt in warm ups, Portis is still recovering from his groin injury, Chad Simpson was inactive and James Davis sat on the Practice Squad.

It's time to cut Galloway loose and let Terrance Austin and Taurus Johnson show the Skins what they can do. While he was a good and serviceable WR in his time, Galloway is past his prime and should be sent to pasture. It didn't help that Moss had a mediocre game either.

We might have seen the best single game performance by a quarterback ever last night. Vick was a man possessed last night and his numbers more than tell the tale of a man who completely dominated the game from the word go. He made the entire Skins defense look horrible last night. I'm not sure any one team has the combination of tools to stop him, they'll only hope to contain him.

While AH laid on the turf during Avant's "touchdown" (thanks to Shanny's 2 questionable challenges, the Skins couldn't challenge this play), he pretty much single handedly showed the entire world what the rest of the team did tonight. They laid down while the Eagles drove a Mack Truck all over them. AH however was effective in bringing pressure and pushing back the double teams that the Eagles threw at him. That lead to the Skins' lone sack. But at other times, his effort was wasted when no one else could get more pressure, not Orakpo, not Carter, not Landry. Or when the refs left their yellow hankies in their pockets...

I noticed that on the Eagles big runs, there was a lack of instant replays on them. Almost like ESPN saw the amount of holding that the Eagles were doing and decided not to show the world. I'll leave that to the GTripp and the other tape watchers to evaluate, but I feel like the Eagles were doing a good amount of jersey-grabbing. While I'm not saying the Skins didn't do their fair share, the first holding call was on Casey Rabach with about 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. Looking over the play by play log on Yahoo! Sports, there is a stunning lack of 10 yard penalties, which tells me the Rabach hold is most likely the only holding call made last night that wasn't during a special teams play. I find it very hard to believe there wasn't more reasons to throw a flag...

A flat out dominating performance by the Eagles last night as they try to throw their claim in as best in the NFC, while a team coming off a bye and having signed their QB to what could be a huge extension, came out completely flat and was run over within the 1st 13 minutes of the game. Mike Shanahan has his work cut out for him, and while at 4-5, this team isn't out of it, you now have a situation where guys are playing for their jobs instead of the playoffs.

JLee9718 11-16-2010 12:15 PM

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After watching last night’s game, guess what? The Redskins need a new defensive coordinator, too! Only Jim Haslet could take a top 10 defensive unit and make it the worst defense in the NFL! Back when Marty Schottenheimer (sp?) was hired as the Redskins coach I was ecstatic. Well, it took me three weeks and I was ready to toss him back to Cleveland, which also fired him (before KC also fired him!). He tried to tell Darrell Green how to play cornerback!!! He said he was a teacher of football, and Green had been playing his position wrong! Eventually Marty got fired after one year so the ‘Skins could bring in the inept Steve Spurrier and Green ended up in the Hall of Fame. So now we have Shanahan, who was fired by Denver, and then Mike hired his son as his offensive coordinator, and the playcalling looks kind of strange to me. Now Kyle is trying to teach McNabb how to play QB (he says his stance is wrong and he’s trying to get McNabb to change it!!!). McNabb will eventually end up in the Hall of Fame (presumably because of his “bad” stance when he throws!!!) Woe is me…Why do coaches go brain dead when they are hired by the Redskins? And why can their sons call good plays in Houston but suddenly are the height of ineptness when they reach the Redskins? The ‘Skins looked lost on defense against the Eagles, just as they looked lost against the Colts. Fire Haslet now!!! Next to go would be Kyle if the offense doesn’t improve!

JWsleep 11-16-2010 12:21 PM

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I don't get the "fire _____" thing. What we saw last night was a team with lots of good young draft picks and a coaching staff that's been together for a very long time kicking the shit out of a team with very few good young draft picks and a staff that came in this year.

Continuity and slow build through the draft. It takes time. There's no quick fix. Stop dreaming--we've been down that road how many time in the last decade???

sportscurmudgeon 11-16-2010 12:26 PM

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[quote=gibbsisgod;759345]Last time I checked it still only counts as 1 loss whether you lose by 1 or by 50 points. And i'm pretty sure the Eagles only get 1 win out of the deal as well.[/quote]


In 99% of the cases you are correct. However, point differential is one of the deep tiebreakers in the NFL system so a loss by 50 could theoretically be worse than a loss by 1 point...

Carry on...

over the mountain 11-16-2010 12:27 PM

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imo d jackson is a certified skin killer. every time he torches us i cant help but think of what vinny said a year after the draft when he took d thomas over d jack.

he said d jack was the most nfl ready receiver (after d jack put up great stats for a rookie) but thomas had too much upside to pass on.

sucks, dez looks good too. we load up on receiving talent 3 years ago with 3 2nd round picks, none of them panned out and the best of the trio (f davis) is invisible b/c we already had/have cooley who never comes out of the game if he is starting.

12thMan 11-16-2010 12:31 PM

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I gotta tell you, I'm not buying the whole it takes time to adjust to the 3-4 business. This defense is horrible and it wasn't this bad last year. And we do have some talent on that side of the ball, so it's simply not adding up. Of course, we need to upgrades here and there, but still we've fallen off and that's on Haslett.

#56fanatic 11-16-2010 12:35 PM

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I am first to bash some of the morans that have run this organization the past 10 years. However, it was Shanny that wanted to run this 3-4 this year, vs waiting for the right players to run it. Hazlett is doing the best he can with really nothing to work with. We have maybe 2 or 3 legit 3-4 pieces to have the D work with any consistant results. Orakpo, Fletcher, Landry, maybe Hall (sometimes) the rest of them are really not fitting in. The fact we have forced so many turnovers is quite amazing to me given that fact that we are normally getting run over or out of position, so I give him credit for creating that type of attitude.

This game last night turned on a couple of plays. Yeah, the 1st play was a horrible way to start the game. But, we come back and run the ball 3 straight times??. 2nd time with the ball, down 14-0, 3rd down, McNabb get pressured, he moves out and throws a ball that Moss should have caught. I think he felt a little scared of getting hit and stopped running. He catches that, 1st down drive still alive. Instead interception, down 21-0. Next possession, OLD ASS Galloway drops a beautiful thrown ball that would have been a first down, drive still alive. Instead, we punt and now down 28-0. We had opportunities to be in the game but those few plays really summed up the night. Eagles hit every single opportunity given to them. Missed tackles by a bunch of us on that 50 yard run. We make those 1st downs early in the game, keep the ball, drive down get some points and I am not sure, but i think the Eagles consistant aggressive playcalling may have been scaled back a bit. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going for the throat after leading 21-0.

We will see how this team responds next week. Hopefully, come out with some fire and want to prove something. Because right now, we have once again made ourselves into a joke in the NFL by last nights horrible showing on national TV.

sportscurmudgeon 11-16-2010 12:39 PM

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[quote=JLee9718;759484]After watching last night’s game, guess what? The Redskins need a new defensive coordinator, too! Only Jim Haslet could take a top 10 defensive unit and make it the worst defense in the NFL! Back when Marty Schottenheimer (sp?) was hired as the Redskins coach I was ecstatic. Well, it took me three weeks and I was ready to toss him back to Cleveland, which also fired him (before KC also fired him!). He tried to tell Darrell Green how to play cornerback!!! He said he was a teacher of football, and Green had been playing his position wrong! Eventually Marty got fired after one year so the ‘Skins could bring in the inept Steve Spurrier and Green ended up in the Hall of Fame. So now we have Shanahan, who was fired by Denver, and then Mike hired his son as his offensive coordinator, and the playcalling looks kind of strange to me. Now Kyle is trying to teach McNabb how to play QB (he says his stance is wrong and he’s trying to get McNabb to change it!!!). McNabb will eventually end up in the Hall of Fame (presumably because of his “bad” stance when he throws!!!) Woe is me…Why do coaches go brain dead when they are hired by the Redskins? And why can their sons call good plays in Houston but suddenly are the height of ineptness when they reach the Redskins? The ‘Skins looked lost on defense against the Eagles, just as they looked lost against the Colts. Fire Haslet now!!! Next to go would be Kyle if the offense doesn’t improve![/quote]



Kyle Shanahan did not go braindead when he got here. One huge change for him is that he had Andre Johnson to catch the ball thrown by his QB in Houston and he had NO ONE here in Washington who is half as good as Andre Johnson.

I happen to think Kyle Shanahan is very overrated as an "offensive genius" and that if his name were Kyle Flabeetz he would still be a quality control coach at a Diovision 1-AA college somewhere, but his success in Houston came because he had some REALLY good players there and he has precious few of them here.

SirClintonPortis 11-16-2010 12:46 PM

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[quote=#56fanatic;759501]I am first to bash some of the morans that have run this organization the past 10 years. However, it was Shanny that wanted to run this 3-4 this year, vs waiting for the right players to run it. Hazlett is doing the best he can with really nothing to work with. We have maybe 2 or 3 legit 3-4 pieces to have the D work with any consistant results. Orakpo, Fletcher, Landry, maybe Hall (sometimes) the rest of them are really not fitting in. The fact we have forced so many turnovers is quite amazing to me given that fact that we are normally getting run over or out of position, so I give him credit for creating that type of attitude.

This game last night turned on a couple of plays. Yeah, the 1st play was a horrible way to start the game. But, we come back and run the ball 3 straight times??. 2nd time with the ball, down 14-0, 3rd down, McNabb get pressured, he moves out and throws a ball that Moss should have caught. I think he felt a little scared of getting hit and stopped running. He catches that, 1st down drive still alive. Instead interception, down 21-0. Next possession, OLD ASS Galloway drops a beautiful thrown ball that would have been a first down, drive still alive. Instead, we punt and now down 28-0. We had opportunities to be in the game but those few plays really summed up the night. Eagles hit every single opportunity given to them. Missed tackles by a bunch of us on that 50 yard run. We make those 1st downs early in the game, keep the ball, drive down get some points and I am not sure, but i think the Eagles consistant aggressive playcalling may have been scaled back a bit. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going for the throat after leading 21-0.

We will see how this team responds next week. Hopefully, come out with some fire and want to prove something. Because right now, we have once again made ourselves into a joke in the NFL by last nights horrible showing on national TV.[/quote]
From what I saw, Moss had to reach for the pass and it was just an inch or two too far.

GhettoDogAllStars 11-16-2010 12:47 PM

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I agree with Bohnzie.

Kareem Moore has been responsible for many big plays this year.

Regarding Keiland Williams, I think we're starting to see Shanahan's system take effect. He was just running with the line and taking the first hole available. Once we get the blockers, I think we'll see good success with mediocre backs.

Galloway made too many mistakes last night, and I'd forgive him if he wasn't 38 or whatever.

While I hated seeing the Redskins lose, watching Vick was truly awe-inspiring. I appreciate good football, and Vick was out of this world. It was special to watch, even though it had to be against the Skins.

#56fanatic 11-16-2010 12:49 PM

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;759505]From what I saw, Moss had to reach for the pass and it was just an inch or two too far.[/quote]

It looked to me that he was crossing the middle, then stopped just as McNabb let the ball go, and reached for the ball. Either way, a first down opportunity lost.

GhettoDogAllStars 11-16-2010 12:50 PM

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[quote=JWsleep;759488]I don't get the "fire _____" thing. What we saw last night was a team with lots of good young draft picks and a coaching staff that's been together for a very long time kicking the shit out of a team with very few good young draft picks and a staff that came in this year.

Continuity and slow build through the draft. It takes time. There's no quick fix. Stop dreaming--we've been down that road how many time in the last decade???[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head.

skinsguy 11-16-2010 12:51 PM

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;759502]Kyle Shanahan did not go braindead when he got here. One huge change for him is that he had Andre Johnson to catch the ball thrown by his QB in Houston and he had NO ONE here in Washington who is half as good as Andre Johnson.

I happen to think Kyle Shanahan is very overrated as an "offensive genius" and that if his name were Kyle Flabeetz he would still be a quality control coach at a Diovision 1-AA college somewhere, but his success in Houston came because he had some REALLY good players there and he has precious few of them here.[/quote]

Yeah but, wouldn't that be the same argument for Bill Walsh? If he hadn't had Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, etc... all hall of fame players, that he wouldn't be held in high regards as a coach?

over the mountain 11-16-2010 12:52 PM

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i was pretty high on kareem moore compared to horton. moore can lay the wood for sure, but coverage was an unknown. now he is missing tackles, poor angles and being exposed somewhat in coverage.

on a pos note, doughty and alexander continue to be ST coverage monsters. i could see doughty playing his way back into the starting lineup at safety if he continues to excel on specials and moore continues to digress.

MTK 11-16-2010 12:54 PM

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Moore stinks anytime he has to come up in the box and make a tackle, he gets his ankles broken on a regular basis. Doughty is great on teams but that's where he should stay. We can probably add free safety to our needs list next year.

skinsguy 11-16-2010 12:56 PM

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What happened to Horton? I mean, he seemed to have a really good rookie season, and then all of a sudden, we don't see him on the field? What gives?

SmootSmack 11-16-2010 01:05 PM

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[quote=skinsguy;759514]What happened to Horton? I mean, he seemed to have a really good rookie season, and then all of a sudden, we don't see him on the field? What gives?[/quote]

Well he's on IR

over the mountain 11-16-2010 01:07 PM

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imo horton got overrated by the fan base very early on. he had a deflection int, the next game he had a real nice pick on romo, got named what? defensive rookie of the month i think?

outside of the romo pick, i dont think horton did anything to show he was nothing more than a 7th round pick talent.

between horton, moore and doughty i had hoped one would step forward. seems all three are ok, decent depth/ST players but nothing more. not that it makes them bad players imo, they are what they are (7th round talent) but we hoped one would emerge as a decent enoguh starter. its a shame, i like all 3 players.

huntz 11-16-2010 01:19 PM

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OK. Philly has weapons at skill positions they nabbed in the draft. How many picks do the 'Skins have in the 2011 draft..or for that matter...2012?

#56fanatic 11-16-2010 01:20 PM

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it is going to take time to build this team in the mold of what Shanny feels is necessary to win. It isn't going to happen next year either. I hope he is still around year 3, 4 and so on. This organization has this mentality that building takes two years, and if it isn't working then blow the whole thing up and start over. Hopefullly Allen can get into Snyders head and make him realize that it takes a few years to see consistant results. All the teams that are at the top have a proven way to win in the NFL. It is amazing to compare rosters of say Indy, NE, Philly, Pitts, Giants to ours. of the 53 man rosters, 95% of theirs is draft picks. We aren't even sniffing that. We need smart people putting together teams, not Danny putting together FA. Allen has built some good teams in the past, so hopefully between him and Shanny they can put something together by year 3. Problem may be by then we will be searching for another QB. I am not confident that Donovan will be here after this year, even with the signing of the extension. They way is sounds, it is heavily loaded after next year which tends to reason he wont be here after 2011.

SBXVII 11-16-2010 01:21 PM

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I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.

Across the board the Skins looked bad. I think if the team picks up a couple more OL (get rid of Heyer, whome I've supported, and Hicks) and hopefully a tall WR and pick up a few pieces for the defensive side like someone to replace Carter at LB, and a true FS, and NT the team might, might be better next yr.

SmootSmack 11-16-2010 01:27 PM

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[quote=SBXVII;759526]I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.

Across the board the Skins looked bad. I think if the team picks up a couple more OL (get rid of Heyer, whome I've supported, and Hicks) and hopefully a tall WR and pick up a few pieces for the defensive side like someone to replace Carter at LB, and a true FS, and NT the team might, might be better next yr.[/quote]

This fan base would never accept "rebuilding" They may say they would but there's no way they could accept it.

mredskins 11-16-2010 01:29 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;759529]This fan base would never accept "rebuilding" They may say they would but there's no way they could accept it.[/quote]


I don't think any team goes into a season and public says this a rebuilding year, that would be a PR nightmare.

over the mountain 11-16-2010 01:30 PM

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yeah i know that allen said we are not in rebuild mode but the temperature of skins fans before the season was expecting 8-8. we are still on course for that.

some where between beating dallas in week 1, winning against the packers then having the NFC east become anyones division, suddenly expectations were raised to playoff or bust status.

i could have done without yet another total demolishing during a home MNF game thoo.

#56fanatic 11-16-2010 01:34 PM

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;759526]I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.


Danny will not allow the Redskins to say the word "Rebuild". That is the problem. They hype that is spued from Redskin park has us believing year in and year out that this is the year we make a difference. I think a ton of us Redskin fans would find it refreshing to hear those words. We just dont have an owner that believes in rebuilding. he believes in retooling. Leonsis has the perfect formula for winning, building and gaining support from the fan base. Snyder should be giving him a call. Even though the Wizards stink, they knew it and said from the get go we are rebuilding, but we are excited about the potential of this team. Market the right way, bring fans into the organization and doesn't make them feel so distant. He has done wonders with the Caps, and will do so with the Wizards. Danny needs to sit back and let this team build, stop trading picks away and start getting rid of players that are productive, but past the good days. Moss, Carter, (hate to say it) Fletcher, cooler or Davis (pick one) Haynesworth, Portis. The list could go on.
I would be willing to go through a couple years of rebuilding if the front office was committed to it and committed to the coach and GM. I just dont think that will ever happen here.

NC_Skins 11-16-2010 01:36 PM

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The single biggest problem I see with Skins fans is that they grossly overestimate the talent on our team. The truth of the reality is that we aren't a talented team (compared to others) and it's going to take a hell of a lot of work to get to the point where we need to be. Quite frankly, I"m happy as hell to be in the position we are right now because I know the ship is sailing in the right direction. It's obvious we have holes all across the board right now and hopefully we'll address them in the future drafts.


Interior OL
WRs
D-Line
Linebackers
Free Safety
QB (sorry, but you aren't going to win ball games with inconsistency at the main spot)

Bushead 11-16-2010 01:40 PM

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Shanny will get a good 4 years out of me before I complain about coaching. Just for once, Fanbase and Snyder, let the the GM and Coach get players together they want.

This team doesn't have any talent, and it's going to be a while. The Eagles have three WRs that could be the number one guy on our team, while we have only one receiver that might be the number two guy in the league. It's time to retool! I'm glad we have McNabb for a couple more years; it will give us time to focus on drafting what we really need.

SBXVII 11-16-2010 01:42 PM

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56, funny you should mention the same BS coming out of Redskins park every year...

The Eagles fan I work with said even he's tired of hearing that very same thing.... "wait till next year."

SmootSmack 11-16-2010 01:50 PM

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You really can't compare the Wizards/Capitals to the Redskins. Redskins fanhood is on a whole different level. Fans call for firings at the first holding call in a preseason game

tjmorgan 11-16-2010 01:50 PM

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Unfortunately, I have a very bad feeling that this is the start of the downward spiral for us this year.

Longtimefan 11-16-2010 01:52 PM

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[quote=mredskins;759531]I don't think any team goes into a season and public says this a rebuilding year, that would be a PR nightmare.[/quote]


Ted Leonsis has done so with the Wizards and for the most part the fans are responsive, at least to his honesty.

The Redskins are a little different, they have a star struck owner whose major interest is to fill seats and sell merchandise. To try and sell rebuilding might not go over so well. It also speaks to why we're always being sold on change with the majority of the fan base buying into just about every move made. I agree with the fact the fans wouldn't be quite as dissapointed with the losing if they weren't so willing to view everything in the positive, instead have the foresight and patience to wait some of these moves through before forming an opinion.

#56fanatic 11-16-2010 01:53 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;759547]You really can't compare the Wizards/Capitals to the Redskins. Redskins fanhood is on a whole different level. Fans call for firings at the first holding call in a preseason game[/quote]


I was only comparing Snyders unwillingness to say rebuild, where Leonsis was / is very open that his teams rebuild with youth and through the draft.

over the mountain 11-16-2010 02:02 PM

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when leonsis rebuilt the caps, he took ALOT of crap from fans and season ticket holders for the way he sent kolzig, bondra others packing. it was well covered when he had a near fight with a caps fan.

i think from a money stand point, given how many season tickets werent renewed last year (the skins were desperate to sell ST this offseason), i dont think snyder could afford to say rebuild. too much money at stake.

could you imagine if we traded/got rid of fletcher, landry portis moss cooley . . . . snyder and the skins would have taken a huge huge loss. imo i dont think snyder has as much money as people think nowadays. i see his riches tied directly to what he makes from the skins.

SmootSmack 11-16-2010 02:06 PM

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[quote=Bushead;759542]Shanny will get a good 4 years out of me before I complain about coaching. Just for once, Fanbase and Snyder, let the the GM and Coach get players together they want.

This team doesn't have any talent, and it's going to be a while. The Eagles have three WRs that could be the number one guy on our team, while we have only one receiver that might be the number two guy in the league. It's time to retool! I'm glad we have McNabb for a couple more years; it will give us time to focus on drafting what we really need.[/quote]

Well it doesn't seem that Snyder is looking to interfere

Funny thing about the Eagles WRs. DeSean Jackson's first catch in the game was obviously huge and set the tone for the game, but other than that he really didn't do anything in two games against us

#56fanatic 11-16-2010 02:06 PM

Re: LOL @ Redskins
 
[quote=SBXVII;759543]56, funny you should mention the same BS coming out of Redskins park every year...

The Eagles fan I work with said even he's tired of hearing that very same thing.... "wait till next year."[/quote]


I just dont get where Eagle fans should be upset. They have been one of the more dominating teams over the last 10 years. 9 playoff appearances in 11 years. of those 9 - 5 NFC championships, 1 superbowl appearance. I would gladly trade our last 10 years for theirs in a second.


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