Re: Skins have 10th overall selection. Who do we pick?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;774855]Yes...which leads me to believe it's not entirely true. I don't think they like him enough for #10

I think they will look to take a QB in the 2nd, possibly late 1st (if they trade into there)...to compete with Alex Smith :)[/quote]

Well that means we will have a rookie starting next year

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Build the O line damnit!!!!!!!!! You have the Outland Trophy winner and his All American teammate coming out of Wisconsin. One a guard, the other a left tackle. I suggest we get the guard.

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[quote=SmootSmack;774855]Yes...which leads me to believe it's not entirely true. I don't think they like him enough for #10

I think they will look to take a QB in the 2nd, possibly late 1st (if they trade into there)...to compete with Alex Smith :)[/quote]


Gabbert is coming out, so anyone desperate for a QB will take him. Mallet might base his decision on the Sugar Bowl outcome. If they destroy the Buckeyes he will ride the tide into the NFL. He might still come out if the Razorbacks lose, but who knows. He might just play the market, and if Luck stays he will be the hot commodity, next in line would be Gabbert. Do we take a chance with Gabbert?

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If Luck comes out and Carolina is crazy enough to make a trade, I would offer this years 1st and 2nd and Haynesworth an McNabb for him. Call me crazy but he just might the best prospect since Manning. This guy is a franchise QB that the skins haven't had in a long, long time. The key question is if he comes out.

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[quote=WaldSkins;774866]We trade for Matt Flynn!!!!!!!! with our second round pick we select Pouncey or Casey Matthews[/quote]

I forgot about Pouncey. The guard from Wisconsin is the one I would like to have, but we really need a center also.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;774906]I believe Bruce Allen's role is a figurehead GM. You can believe otherwise, but aside from the failed or apparently failed Tampa retreads(Bidwell and Galloway), this team seems to be Shanahan-built, including the trade for McNabb.[/quote]



Come back to reality! Why would Dan Snyder hire a figure head for a GM? He had that with Vinny!

You sound like a talking head who knows not what he speaks. From this moment on, Shanahan will have the final say so on who is on this team. No more giving away picks.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;774929]I forgot about Pouncey. [B]The guard from Wisconsin [/B]is the one I would like to have, but we really need a center also.[/quote]

Do you mean John Moffitt because he's currently graded out as a 5th round pick? My guess is you're talking about their tackle prospect Gabe Carimi.

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[quote=juskins;774931]Come back to reality! Why would Dan Snyder hire a figure head for a GM? He had that with Vinny!

You sound like a talking head who knows not what he speaks. From this moment on, Shanahan will have the final say so on who is on this team. No more giving away picks.[/quote]

I think that you misunderstood him.

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I honestly believe that the Redskins need help at nearly every position on the field. They should take the absolute best player available and forget about need altogether because honestly the need help everywhere. QB, RB, OL, WR, DL, LB, CB, S. The only place that they are truly set is TE.

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We need to continue addressing the lines. Regardless of our QB, until our O line play improves, Boy Wonder's passing attack will be inconsistent at best.

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We really have so many holes right now we cant go wrong. If we take the best player available at any position he will automatically become a starter. Trading down would not be a bad idea to recoup some of the bigs we continually lose. Trade Haynesworth and McNabb for whatever we can get too to have even more picks.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;774948]We really have so many holes right now we cant go wrong. If we take the best player available at any position he will automatically become a starter. [B]Trading down would not be a bad idea to recoup some of the bigs we continually lose[/B]. Trade Haynesworth and McNabb for whatever we can get too to have even more picks.[/quote]I would be completely in favor of trading our 10th overall for something in the 17-22 range, plus an extra 2nd round pick. I've always admired the way New England trades down, stockpiles picks, and builds quality depth through the draft.

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[quote=juskins;774931]Come back to reality! Why would Dan Snyder hire a figure head for a GM? He had that with Vinny!

You sound like a talking head who knows not what he speaks. From this moment on, Shanahan will have the final say so on who is on this team. No more giving away picks.[/quote]
Figurehead for Shanahan, not Snyder, first of all. Let Shanahan control everything in fact, while Allen holds the title of the big man. Even if Shanahan is not totally calling all of the GM's shots, it's not like coaches haven't been able to push GMs for a certain player; Gibbs pushed for Desmond Howard, and Casserly accommodated to Gibbs.

Allen does the money/contracts while he lets the HC draw up the draft board, etc. Gruden did the real picking in Tampa, and he wasn't even in the FO [I]per se[/I]. The contracts we gave out this offseason are indeed much shrewder and lets us off the hook easily if they stunk it up. No Brandon Lloyd silliness, which was a trademark of the past regime.

Besides, even if we want to appeal to history and interpret history such that Allen was calling the shots in Tampa in terms of personnel, history says that Allen keeps picks as well, since Tampa almost always had a full load of them.

Proof: [url=http://www.databasefootball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?tm=TAM&lg=NFL]Tampa Bay Buccaneers Draft History, Stats and more on databaseFootball.com[/url]

Shanahan also held onto his picks often, but he does seem to do some craftier wheeling and dealing along with it. So, in conclusion, just throwing away draft picks willy-nilly seems out of character for either Shanahan or Allen, for the most part. Neither of them made trades for an old vet starting QB either.


So I believe that Shanahan wanted a QB, and he deemed McNabb the best fit.

Why?

Because I doubt Shanahan would have accepted this job without having significant input in personnel, since I'm sure that he himself believes that he can evaluate talent well enough to pick the players he wants. He had 9 years of said experience before we hired him. He thought McNabb had what he wanted out of a QB: big arm, mobility to extend plays, and was a gamer. Afterwards, of course, buyers' remorse surely set in and he was dissatisfied with McNabb.

Not only that, some of the players brought seem to be perfect Shanahan "fits". Grossman, Torain, Beck, Trent Williams, Armstrong, Lichtensteiger all easily bear the stamp of "Shanahan approved" players because they fit what he wants on offense.

Getting rid of Jason Campbell was also Shanahan-driven since he himself said he was going to watch every snap of his career to determine if JC had what he wanted. If he had that much power to get rid of JC, pick up Grossman, pick up Beck, why the hell is he suddenly doesn't have any power with regards to McNabb?

We also went to a 3-4 because Shanahan believed that it was the better scheme for us long term. [URL="http://www.topix.net/content/wapo/2010/11/redskins-defense-nine-first-round-draft-picks-but-ranked-last-in-nfl"]He was the one who talked with Haslett when they were both out of the NFL.[/URL] We grabbed hopeful candidates that would help make it work, such as Carriker and Kemo. Once again, it's either Allen being very accommodating or Shanahan is actually calling [most of] the shots.

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I would pull a Ditka for Luck, a man amongst boys!! The next Tom Brady.

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We need to draft players from Stanford's OL.

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[quote=14WOODS;774964]We need to draft players from Stanford's OL.[/quote]

Phillips the G is from Darnestown, the C is an All-American.

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If I had my choice I would definitely go qb with the first pick. I think Luck, Mallet, Newton, Gabbert. and Locker will be successful at the next. I would draft either one if they fell to us at 10.

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[quote=Landry44;774972]If I had my choice I would definitely go qb with the first pick. [B]I think Luck, Mallet, Newton, Gabbert. and Locker will be successful at the next[/B]. I would draft either one if they fell to us at 10.[/quote]History would indicate that some of them will be busts. The only year in recent memory when even the first 3 QBs drafted were successful was 2004 with Eli, Rivers, and Big Ben. Drafting top QB's is less than a 50-50 proposition, even at the very top of the draft.

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Jake locker won't be a 1st round pick IMO, he had a horrendous year and an even worse bowl game.

Luck is a Bradford type QB, you just can't pass him up even if NE had the 1st pick.

Newton has only played 1 year so idk about him, great athlete but can he pass?

Gabbert is another wildcard, is he really worth a top 10 pick? I'd say no

Mallett is a big guy that has a monster arm, some compare him to Flacco, I'd take him at 10 over the other qbs.
I still say we draft BPA which could be Blackmon, Green, Pouncey etc

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I know that I am sounding like a homer but drafting for BPA in the early rounds and picking up Taylor late could make this team very dangerous beyond 2012.

Tyrod Taylor will have a better career than Vick.

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[quote=SouperMeister;774975]History would indicate that some of them will be busts. The only year in recent memory when even the first 3 QBs drafted were successful was 2004 with Eli, Rivers, and Big Ben. Drafting top QB's is less than a 50-50 proposition, even at the very top of the draft.[/quote]

Well so far Stafford and Bradford seem to have fared well. Of course we are very early in their careers, but I think they are going to have successful careers.

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[quote=tryfuhl;774933]I think that you misunderstood him.[/quote]



I must admit that I am guilty of not opening your link to support your point. I saw media written all over that link with its bias spin. Forgive me please, but using a twitter? Wow!

Re: Skins have 10th overall selection. Who do we pick?
 

[quote=SouperMeister;774975]History would indicate that some of them will be busts. The only year in recent memory when even the first 3 QBs drafted were successful was 2004 with Eli, Rivers, and Big Ben. Drafting top QB's is less than a 50-50 proposition, even at the very top of the draft.[/quote] I'm sure that not all of these guys are going to make. I just like the skill set of all 5 qbs. I think Luck has good size, excellent arm strength, great accuracy, and good mobility. Ryan Mallet has great size, good arm strength, great accuracy, and good poise in the pocket. Cameron Newton has great size, great arm strength, good accuracy, and great mobility. Blaine Gabbert has great size, great passing mechanics, great arm strength, and good mobility. Jake Locker is a good with quick release, good arm strength, and great mobility. Now I know outside of Luck there are concerns about all of these players. However, I think all of them will be alright if put in the right situation.

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Well since it's that time again.. Here's my take on what we should do in the draft.

(Realistic options)
[B]R1, #10)[/B]
[B]Nick Fairley DT/DE[/B]: I've been guilty of riding the Auburn bandwagon and Nick Fairley is just a beast. He'd be PERFECT as a 3-4 DE.
[B]AJ Green WR[/B]: The most dominant receiver in College, bar none.
[B]Von Miller OLB[/B]: I've only seen highlights, but looks to be a great pass rusher/tackling machine.
[B]Blaine Gabbert QB[/B]: Forget the Jake Locker/Cam Newton/Ryan Mallett stuff.. Only Blaine Gabbert makes any sense at #10.

[B]R2, #9)[/B]
[B]Jeremy Beal OLB[/B]: VERY good 2nd round talent, and the best part... He wins!
[B]Stefen Wisniewski C/G[/B]: I think he would solidify our offensive line along side Silverback. I think he's probably the best guy to step right into center.
[B]Corey Liuget DT[/B]: If he does end up declaring for the draft, this guy would be a good second round option if Fairley doesn't work out in the first round.
[B]Jake Locker QB[/B]: I hate to do this.. but Shanahan might just think he'll be able to work some magic with all the "intangibles" and the "raw talent", but don't be fooled...

[B]R5, #13 and #28)[/B]
[B]Kelvin Sheppard ILB[/B]: Great leader, tackling machine.. Probably won't be available.. but it's possible.
[B]Josh Bynes ILB[/B]: Winner, very good in the box, great against the run.. Bad in coverage (think McIntosh), and terrible hands.
[B]Vincent Brown WR[/B]: Speed + Hands + Pretty good size. We need to take a risk on a guy like this.
[B]Tejay Johnson FS[/B]: One of the better defensive players on TCU. Good leader, fast, big, lacks top end football IQ, good depth player.
[B]Brooks Reed OLB[/B]: Very fast and explosive on the rush, not a very good cover guy.

*Note I'm a college football freak and would love to give my input on certain players.

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[quote=juskins;774981]I must admit that I am guilty of not opening your link to support your point. I saw media written all over that link with its bias spin. Forgive me please, but using a twitter? Wow![/quote]

That's just his forum signature.

Re: Skins have 10th overall selection. Who do we pick?
 

we already here...... there so much that can happen between now and april.......... pfft

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;774956]I would pull a Ditka for Luck, a man amongst boys!! The next Tom Brady.[/quote]

The funny thing is, who thought the same about Tom when he got drafted.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;774783]No way luck falls to us at 10. He's a number one pick if he comes out.[/quote]

Well when I wrote this I didn't realize Luck was the most coveted QB and rumor was he would be the #1 draft pick most likely. I did mention I don't follow college ball as much as others.

But watching the game last night left me not as excited about him as I was before last nights game. He (to me) just looked sloppy and inactivate for the first two quarters. I guess there would have to more of looking at his overall season and play which I didn't watch.

But.... Dalton still looked good to me.

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The Panthers have many needs like we do.
But unlike us they have a Jimmy Clausen.
Since they have so many holes to fill I'd not be surprised if they draft defense #1 and go with Clausen.

Re: Skins have 10th overall selection. Who do we pick?
 

Lengthly but, interesting analysis.

[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/1/2/1909847/2011-nfl-draft-order-redskins-10th-11th-seahawks]2011 NFL Mock Draft: Looking At The Prospects Who Might Be Available To The Redskins - SB Nation DC[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;774954]Figurehead for Shanahan, not Snyder, first of all. Let Shanahan control everything in fact, while Allen holds the title of the big man. Even if Shanahan is not totally calling all of the GM's shots, it's not like coaches haven't been able to push GMs for a certain player; Gibbs pushed for Desmond Howard, and Casserly accommodated to Gibbs.

Allen does the money/contracts while he lets the HC draw up the draft board, etc. Gruden did the real picking in Tampa, and he wasn't even in the FO [I]per se[/I]. The contracts we gave out this offseason are indeed much shrewder and lets us off the hook easily if they stunk it up. No Brandon Lloyd silliness, which was a trademark of the past regime.

Besides, even if we want to appeal to history and interpret history such that Allen was calling the shots in Tampa in terms of personnel, history says that Allen keeps picks as well, since Tampa almost always had a full load of them.

Proof: [url=http://www.databasefootball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?tm=TAM&lg=NFL]Tampa Bay Buccaneers Draft History, Stats and more on databaseFootball.com[/url]

Shanahan also held onto his picks often, but he does seem to do some craftier wheeling and dealing along with it. So, in conclusion, just throwing away draft picks willy-nilly seems out of character for either Shanahan or Allen, for the most part. Neither of them made trades for an old vet starting QB either.


So I believe that Shanahan wanted a QB, and he deemed McNabb the best fit.

Why?

Because I doubt Shanahan would have accepted this job without having significant input in personnel, since I'm sure that he himself believes that he can evaluate talent well enough to pick the players he wants. He had 9 years of said experience before we hired him. He thought McNabb had what he wanted out of a QB: big arm, mobility to extend plays, and was a gamer. Afterwards, of course, buyers' remorse surely set in and he was dissatisfied with McNabb.

Not only that, some of the players brought seem to be perfect Shanahan "fits". Grossman, Torain, Beck, Trent Williams, Armstrong, Lichtensteiger all easily bear the stamp of "Shanahan approved" players because they fit what he wants on offense.

Getting rid of Jason Campbell was also Shanahan-driven since he himself said he was going to watch every snap of his career to determine if JC had what he wanted. If he had that much power to get rid of JC, pick up Grossman, pick up Beck, why the hell is he suddenly doesn't have any power with regards to McNabb?

We also went to a 3-4 because Shanahan believed that it was the better scheme for us long term. [URL="http://www.topix.net/content/wapo/2010/11/redskins-defense-nine-first-round-draft-picks-but-ranked-last-in-nfl"]He was the one who talked with Haslett when they were both out of the NFL.[/URL] We grabbed hopeful candidates that would help make it work, such as Carriker and Kemo. Once again, it's either Allen being very accommodating or Shanahan is actually calling [most of] the shots.[/quote]



You are long winded, I'll give you that. Are you a lawyer? Or maybe a conspiracy theorist.

Bruce Allen is the GM. Not anyone else. These earlier moves were his with Shanahan's blessings.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;774993]That's just his forum signature.[/quote]


So, we are not talking about an unbiased machine but a biased journalist. LOLs, I am LMAO. Get real!

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[quote=juskins;775110]You are long winded, I'll give you that. Are you a lawyer? Or maybe a conspiracy theorist.

Bruce Allen is the GM. Not anyone else. These earlier moves were his with Shanahan's blessings.[/quote]

Shanahan is the team president, higher on the totem pole than Allen.

Allen works for Shanahan. Shanahan calls the shots with personnel.

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[quote=juskins;775111]So, we are not talking about an unbiased machine but a biased journalist. LOLs, I am LMAO. Get real![/quote]

??? You sure have had some strange posts here

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[quote=juskins;775111]So, we are not talking about an unbiased machine but a biased journalist. LOLs, I am LMAO. Get real![/quote]

?

If you bothered to check out the link, that twitter just reposts links to a bunch of news reports and his personal comments. He doesn't report anything himself.

Your initial response appeared to consider his twitter as part of the post itself, not the signature anyway. Not sure how you came up with this.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;775121]?

If you bothered to check out the link, that twitter just reposts links to a bunch of news reports and his personal comments. He doesn't report anything himself.

Your initial response appeared to consider his twitter as part of the post itself, not the signature anyway. Not sure how you came up with this.[/quote]



No, I didn't care to read his link and last time I checked, its my prerogative. I don't believe the sensationalism created by a twit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;775117]??? You sure have had some strange posts here[/quote]


I am sure others have said the same of you and your posts, all 32,420. LOL

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[quote=Mattyk;775113]Shanahan is the team president, higher on the totem pole than Allen.

Allen works for Shanahan. Shanahan calls the shots with personnel.[/quote]


Are you still talking about who has what? Last time I checked, Allen is the GM and any deals he makes must be given the OK by Shanahan. So if you want to consider that as a clue of who is in charged. then you are correct.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;775001]The Panthers have many needs like we do.
But unlike us they have a Jimmy Clausen.
Since they have so many holes to fill I'd not be surprised if they draft defense #1 and go with Clausen.[/quote]

The Panthers passing on Luck because they have Jimmy Clausen would have been like the Colts passing on Manning had they drafted Jake Plummer in the year before. They will cut their losses in a heartbeat to draft Luck.

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No one wants Clausen