[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;775053]Free agency cant begin until a new CBA is reached, and its not expected to be reached before March when FA has historically begun. I had not considered that aspect of it but Larry Weisman was talking about it on ESPN980 yesterday.

In my opinion, it makes more sense for the draft to occur before free agency, atleast from the teams perspective.[/QUOTE]

Ahhh yes, I didn't think about that aspect of it either. Agree that it makes more sense too, though when has that ever changed anything haha? I know from my madden franchises the frustration that order brings...


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[quote=SirClintonPortis;775056]We did [start to] break tradition last year. All of the old guys are cuttable with no cap hit. Bruce Allen sure has brought his contract designing expertise to the table.[/quote]

Also, we didn't overpay for the likes of Willie Parker and Larry Johnson. BA has definitely brought some financial responsibility to the team.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;775053]Free agency cant begin until a new CBA is reached, and its not expected to be reached before March when FA has historically begun. I had not considered that aspect of it but Larry Weisman was talking about it on ESPN980 yesterday.

In my opinion, it makes more sense for the draft to occur before free agency, atleast from the teams perspective.[/quote]

You are correct. They were talking about it yesterday also on the radio that we might just see the draft come first for a change if the CBA is not resolved. Free agency might end up being over the summer, which might be a good thing for the Skins for a change. Force them to use the draft vs. throwing away draft picks.

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[quote=SBXVII;775065]You are correct. They were talking about it yesterday also on the radio that we might just see the draft come first for a change if the CBA is not resolved. Free agency might end up being over the summer, which might be a good thing for the Skins for a change. Force them to use the draft vs. throwing away draft picks.[/quote]

Seems more likely the cba won't be resolved by draft time. I think this will make for some interesting scenarios as pertains to movement in the draft. Will more teams want to trade out of the top 10 to avoid the big salaries & reserve some funds for free agents? Or will there be more interest in moving up into the top 10 since teams haven't signed any FAs?

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[quote=SBXVII;775065]You are correct. They were talking about it yesterday also on the radio that we might just see the draft come first for a change if the CBA is not resolved. Free agency might end up being over the summer, which might be a good thing for the Skins for a change. Force them to use the draft vs. throwing away draft picks.[/quote]

Exactly... The NFLPA wont like it though, as this will result in most teams holding off on signing beterans until everything else shakes out. As an example, if the draft had occurred prior to free agency in 2010, we probalby wouldnt have wasted our time bringing in Larry Johnson and Willie Parker.

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Some interesting news.... especially in regards to Sinorice Moss.

[URL="http://www.yardbarker.com/blog/nflbuzz/redskins_work_out_veteran_wide_receiver_haynesworth_shows_up/3902498"]Redskins work out veteran wide receiver; Haynesworth shows up - Yardbarker[/URL]

[QUOTE]The team worked out two players late last week, a source confirmed.

One of them was WR Sinorice Moss, the younger brother of Redskins WR Santana Moss.

Sinorice Moss was selected in the second round of the 2006 NFL Draft by the New York Giants, who waived him from injured reserve on Nov. 9.
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[quote=Mattyk;774714]I think the McNabb thing is a bit overblown. People know that Shanahan has won a lot of games in this league doing things his way. If you perform you've got nothing to worry about. Can we sit here today and really say that DM was performing at a high level? Anyone?[/quote]

If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before, with a rookie left tackle, awful offensive line and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when things got tough this season and shit hit the fan, Shanahan showed very little loyalty and publicly shouldered very little, if any of the blame. He kept quiet and allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.

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[quote=Defensewins;775099]If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when thigs got tough Shanahan showed very little loyalty to his players and in this case allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.[/quote]I think the press fed itself more than Shanahan did with regards to Haynesworth. When Al Golic can pass the damn conditioning test while AH is not, that's sure damn laughable.

Shanahan did admit to goofing up the first benching though.

Regardless of our talent deficiencies and his learning curve, McNabb has not been that great without his wheels. He's great at throwing bombs and throwing screens, but woefully inconsistent in the short passing game. He's been that way even in Philly.

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[quote=Defensewins;775099]If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before, with a rookie left tackle, awful offensive line and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when things got tough this season and shit hit the fan, Shanahan showed very little loyalty and publicly shoulder very litytle if any of the blame. He kept quiet and allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.[/quote]

Ok, chalk you up in the McNabb sympathizer catagory. But this is exactly what I'm saying. I went to another site and they had a "Should we sign Payton Manning" thread. lol. I wrote why would we go out and pick up another old QB, bring him in to learn a whole new system for which he will only know part of by the start of the season, and end up complaining about his performance because he either didn't grasp it all or simply did a poor job. But the same could be said about drafting a QB. Whoever we bring in will have to learn the plays, play calls, and be comfortable in it. The rest of the team will be in year 2 of the system so they should know it better but the QB won't. Now if we keep McNabb he should have a better understanding of the system and should play better. However McNabb still has his issues of throwing over recievers and throwing dirt balls. He's not as mobile as he used to be as we saw this year and he's not the best QB during the last 2 min. of a game. But thats how he's always been. Ask any Eagles fan.

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[quote=SBXVII;775107]Ok, chalk you up in the McNabb sympathizer catagory. But this is exactly what I'm saying. I went to another site and they had a "Should we sign Payton Manning" thread. lol. I wrote why would we go out and pick up another old QB, bring him in to learn a whole new system for which he will only know part of by the start of the season, and end up complaining about his performance because he either didn't grasp it all or simply did a poor job. But the same could be said about drafting a QB. Whoever we bring in will have to learn the plays, play calls, and be comfortable in it. The rest of the team will be in year 2 of the system so they should know it better but the QB won't. Now if we keep McNabb he should have a better understanding of the system and should play better. However McNabb still has his issues of throwing over recievers and throwing dirt balls. He's not as mobile as he used to be as we saw this year and he's not the best QB during the last 2 min. of a game. But thats how he's always been. Ask any Eagles fan.[/quote]

I am not really a sympathizer to either McNabb or AH. I am more disappointed in the way it was handled. Now AH and McNabb's trade value is almost zero, because all of the teams know we do want them or feel they are any value to us.
I am also pissed by the way news filters out of Redskins park under Shanahan in form of constant press leaks. It seems like amateur hour the way Shanahan has handled players in the press.

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I wonder who people think is more likely to return in 2011? Haynesworth or McNabb. Maybe someone should start a poll on this

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[quote=SmootSmack;775116]I wonder who people think is more likely to return in 2011? Haynesworth or McNabb. Maybe someone should start a poll on this[/quote]

To make all encompassing, include Shanhan's son and Haslett in the poll. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=SBXVII;775086]Some interesting news.... especially in regards to Sinorice Moss.

[URL="http://www.yardbarker.com/blog/nflbuzz/redskins_work_out_veteran_wide_receiver_haynesworth_shows_up/3902498"]Redskins work out veteran wide receiver; Haynesworth shows up - Yardbarker[/URL][/quote]

How can Sinorice be considered a veteran? He's (almost) never been on the field!

He's like a midget-version of Malcolm Kelly.

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[quote=SmootSmack;775116]I wonder who people think is more likely to return in 2011? Haynesworth or McNabb. Maybe someone should start a poll on this[/quote]

I honestly think its possible, albeit unlikely that [U]both[/U] could return.

If Shanahan reviews film from 2010 and realizes we should go back to the 4-3, i'm sure Haynesworth could be brought back and be quite dominant. I think we could even stay in the 3-4 and keep Haynesworth if he swallowed his pride any. If we continued to use him like we did in the later half of the season, he could be quite a difference maker... even as a fulltime 3-4 DE.

As far as McNabb goes, theres no way we let him walk. If a review of film indicated that Grossman was really not much better than McNabb would be in his 2nd year in the offense, then i'm sure the Shanahan's would be open to bring McNabb back - if Mcnabb changes his attitude.

Shanahan has already laid the groundwork for this by 1) at the time of the benching, saying McNabb was the best QB and wasnt pulled earlier because we were still in the playoff race and gave us the best chance to win 2) yesterday, saying he regretted how he handled the mcnabb situation and not being more honest.

Thus, in 3 or 4 months, Shanahan could easily say that everything in the last 3 weeks was to evaluate grossman since he wasnt under contract and spare McNabb from getting hurt. He could also say he didnt publically make that fact known because he wanted to see how Grossman performed under the assumption that he genuinely had a shot to earn the starting job in 2011.

Obviously, the skins would much rather trade McNabb. But unless they can get that mythical 3rd and conditional 6th that Smootsmack mentioned the other day, I dont think there's any possible way we let McNabb walk. If shanahan kept a malcontent like Haynesworth around for 12 weeks, hed certainly bring McNabb back as a highlypaid backup who would take over the starting job by week 5 if Grossmans play merrited a demotion.

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Man, and I thought [I]I[/I] was an optimist.

Chances of AH coming back: 0.0
Changes of DM coming back: 0.1

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I'm think it's more likely that Brett Favre would come here if we gave him some "[I]real, comfortable jeans[/I]" for his thingy than either FAH or McFlabb coming here.

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I had mentioned a few weeks back that Rogers and the Redskins were close to a new deal....well they're no closer now. In fact they may have slipped a bit further apart

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[quote=SmootSmack;775139]I had mentioned a few weeks back that Rogers and the Redskins were close to a new deal....well they're no closer now. In fact they may have slipped a bit further apart[/quote]

That sucks. If Ike Taylor walks from Pittsburg, give him an offer. Solid corner

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[quote=Chico23231;775143]That sucks. If Ike Taylor walks from Pittsburg, give him an offer. Solid corner[/quote]

Taylor is better than Rogers IMO

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I want to keep Rogers. He's one of the better players on the team and in his prime. We are already looking at a significant amount of turnover this offseason...replacing Rogers with another free agent corner is just creating more turnover for no good reason.

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I believe Los will stay, but that's just my opinion

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[quote=SmootSmack;775139]I had mentioned a few weeks back that Rogers and the Redskins were close to a new deal....well they're no closer now. In fact they may have slipped a bit further apart[/quote]

ah man. I'd like some good news this winter, hoped (and still hope) to hear that he would re-sign. Can't blame him for wanting to test the market, but once players go that route it seems they are much less apt to come back to their old team.

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I guess Rogers figured that since he finally held on to an INT that he's suddenly become an elite corner.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;775176]I guess Rogers figured that since he finally held on to an INT that he's suddenly become an elite corner.[/quote]

LOL :food-smil

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Hey we could bring in Ocho Cinco or T.O...... Or Not

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IMO #5 was one of those that saw coming to DC the place to get his pension.He thought wrong

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[quote=Bigreds77;775211]IMO #5 was one of those that saw coming to DC the place to get his pension.He thought wrong[/quote]

I think you're totally wrong. McNabb was traded here. He didn't come via free agency. Big difference.

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We'll see what happens but I hope they don't gas up Redskins One and start chasing/ signing free agents. This team is not a couple players away. It's a couple of drafts and a few free agents away, which to me is about a 3 year process. I'm willing to wait as long as they start doing things the right way, which may mean losing more games next year.

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Given how deep the FA pool is bound to be, it would dumb to not make some moves. You just have to make smart moves that are a good fit.

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[quote=SBXVII;775047]I think it all depends on which Shanahan your talking about and what your expectations were?

When Mike Shanahan was hired everyone "assumed" he would install his running game and this team would be back in the play offs. Instead I personally think Mike realized he does not have the personel to run his "running scheme" and relied more on his son and the passing attack he brings to the table. Remember our OL is not good and he most likely realized it figuring they wouldn't create too many holes for the RB's. He had to have known by preseasons end.

So if your evaluating MS based on how well the team performed then no MS didn't "seem" to have done a good job, but he was not dealt a good hand either. I actually commend MS for the way he handled the players. We needed a tough HC to come in and not take any crap from the owner, or the prima dona players with their lazy attitudes and expectation of playing time. As long as all the players are treated equally then no one can complain. Haynesworth didn't want to participate from the beginning, it showed, and when he did show he thought he could either bully his way into playing the position he wanted to play only or become a problem. He got his wish... he was the problem. I'm not saying he's not a good player just saying sometimes players need to do whats asked of them. Thats what a "team player" is all about.

McNabb's benching I also don't have a problem with. If you take a moment and think back although McNabb was "better" then Campbell, he seemed to have his issues also. The very issue's for which I was against picking up McNabb and voiced those issues when the team did pick him up. Heck in Sept I had a co worker to is an Eagles fan telling the same issues and was glad the Eagles had gotten rid of McNabb.

It's pretty bad when you a fan and want the team to dump your HOF/ starting QB for an unknown but that also should have been a red flag to our organization. McNabb was slow into and out of the huddle, took too much time looking over the defense giving the defense time to adjust to the formation, either over threw players or threw dirt balls, and lastly is not a 2 min drill type of QB. He's definitly awesome with 4-5 min. left on the clock for a come back but leave him with 2 min. or less and he's just too slow and methodical.[/quote]

I have no problem with the benching so much the way it was handled. If I was a player I would have a hard time respecting somebody who would let me find out I was demoted in the newspaper instead of talking to me first.

I never really followed Shanahan's career, but this was a tumultuous first season and at times I felt that the ship was rudderless. I agree with you that he realized that we didn't have the personnel to run his scheme, but I have to question his vetting process in trading for McNabb and giving up two picks in this years draft. I hope that in the offseason he will be able to reevaluate the talent we have and somehow remove the defeatist mentality I feel the team has.

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[quote=SmootSmack;775139]I had mentioned a few weeks back that Rogers and the Redskins were close to a new deal....well they're no closer now. In fact they may have slipped a bit further apart[/quote]

What made it go from close to a new deal... to slipped further apart?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;775232]I have no problem with the benching so much the way it was handled. If I was a player I would have a hard time respecting somebody who would let me find out I was demoted in the newspaper instead of talking to me first.

I never really followed Shanahan's career, but this was a tumultuous first season and at times I felt that the ship was rudderless. I agree with you that he realized that we didn't have the personnel to run his scheme, but I have to question his vetting process in trading for McNabb and giving up two picks in this years draft. I hope that in the offseason he will be able to reevaluate the talent we have and somehow remove the defeatist mentality I feel the team has.[/quote]
Well here's the deal, IF it is true Shanahan really didn't tell McNabb until late in the week, then indeed was unprofessional. BUT, McNabb could be just stirring up stuff by making this stuff up for whatever reason (make people feel sorry for him?).

I'm not saying that McNabb actually did so, but it is a possibility. Either way, there's no way for us fans to really know what's going on here. Both of them have strained my trust, although other of course will have their own reactions.

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[quote=SkinzWin;775234]What made it go from close to a new deal... to slipped further apart?[/quote]

No idea

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I just hope that if we get new FA's - that they that are less than 28 years old.

We KNOW we are not going to win a superbowl in the next 2 years. We're rebuilding. Let's get young players that are going to stick around for 5-7 years. There's no point in getting a 29-30 year old free agent, because by the time we get better as a team they're going to be too old.

For example, D.Hall was a perfect example - because he could be here for years.

[QUOTE=Nomad;774852]Only 3 guys I want.... Vick, M. Floyd, Randy Moss! S.moss go to slot we add some solid linemen to the draft..... and I would literly move from where Im at to the D.C. metro area![/QUOTE]

Your joking with this right. Although they all fit the perfect Vinny Cerrato/Dan Snyder formula of the past. Big Names, Old, Vick is coming off a monster year so he'll ask for a ridiculously high contract knowing he won't touch those numbers next year and he'll probably get injured. Moss would come here and be AH all over again and give it 25 % effort and take the money and run.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Shane Lechler become available.. P from OAK most recently, one of the best punters available, spoke out about Cable firing, they hired a new P

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[quote=tryfuhl;775572]I wouldn't be surprised to see Shane Lechler become available.. P from OAK most recently, one of the best punters available, spoke out about Cable firing, they hired a new P[/quote]

That would be bad az. Lechler is very good. Probably get into a bit of a bidding war though. We aren't the only ones who needs a punter.

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[quote=tryfuhl;775572]I wouldn't be surprised to see Shane Lechler become available.. P from OAK most recently, one of the best punters available, spoke out about Cable firing, they hired a new P[/quote]

I'd be quite happy if we picked up Lechler, a current resident in Undead Al's doghouse.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-freeagents111810]Top 30 free agents in class of 2011 - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;776263][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-freeagents111810]Top 30 free agents in class of 2011 - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

Here's the guys we seem to have the best chance of at least meeting with.


7. LB Barrett Ruud(notes) – Ruud was miffed in training camp when Tampa Bay extended LT Donald Penn(notes) before they extended him. Sorry, Barrett, but that’s the reality of left tackles and inside linebackers. Ruud is very good and still young, but he would be best served re-signing with a team that knows his limitations.


8. G Davin Joseph(notes) – He’s a very good guard, but a notch below Logan Mankins. He’s the type of player who gets paid because of scarcity, not necessarily talent. On the open market, he’ll do very well, perhaps as much as $8 million a year.



1. LB LaMarr Woodley(notes) – Critics say he’s not great against the run or in coverage. But when you’re projected to average more than 10 sacks in three straight seasons, you get paid. That’s the bottom line.

From Footballs Future:

Jammal Brown (WAS) – With rookie Trent Williams playing the left side, Jammal Brown has started on the right side for the first time in his pro career. He struggled early in the season as he recovered from injury, but has since turned around his play. He’s a far cry from where he was in his prime, but the Redskins have had success running the ball behind him. The organization hasn’t shied away from spending money on players, but they could get a bargain in Brown, if he continues his upward ascension from injury.