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[quote=Dirtbag59;793842]Pretty much every general race (Black, White, Asian, Arabic, etc) has been enslaved at some point. I know back in the middle ages the British used their Irish neighbors as a supply for slaves. A hundred years or so later they found out Africa had more supply, not to mention it would be harder for a black person to hide then a white Irish slave that could blend in. Romans likely made peasants from every conquered territory slaves.[/quote]

Not to mention the Egyptians (dark skinned people from North Africa) enslaved Jews. Rival tribes in Africa routinely kept captured enemies as slaves as recently as the 19th century. Today children from various developing countries are sold and kept throughout richer countries. It's not going to end any time soon.

On topic, I'm glad NFLN isn't forcing Dukes to apologize. I thought it was funny watching Waddle make fun of him for referencing Vanilla Ice.

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I don't why when ever there's any racial discussion going on Whites always have to play the Jessie Jackson Al Sharpton card. There's plenty of White racial ambulance chasers too. Especially Rush Limbaugh. Here's an example.

[quote]Obama's America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. You put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety but in Obama's America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering[/quote]

[url=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091509/content/01125106.guest.html]From Kids on Bus to Kanye West: Race Rules All in Obama's America[/url]

Also, Fox News says racist stuff about Blacks all day long. So to say there's a "double" standard is rediculous. As If Blacks are the only ones who make politically incorrect statements.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY04gIruZ4E]YouTube - Fox Attacks: Black America[/url]

Now I don't see any of you self righteous defenders of parity condeming what's happenign on the other side of the political spectrum. Also, as for the NFL network. I get sick and tired of them questioning the mental dexterity of Black QB's. All of the criticisms center around the mental and psycological aspects of the position. I've never heard a White QB on their get critisized for their ability to "read-defenses" or "study his playbook".

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^ really ? So they didnt say tebow struggled reading defense and his mechanics were very bad? Because I could have swore they did. I agree with the black QB crap but in all fairness historically they aren't very accurate passers, Moon was phenomenal but for instance look at it today, Vick? mcnabb? Garrard? I mean those guys have struggled with comp % through out their career . I'm all for black QBs I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are just dogging them for nothing.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793845]^ I'm not saying the guy is a saint I just think it's unfair how he's Been judged with really no facts of him being a "hood" or dopehead[/quote]

Did someone call him a dopehead?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793858]^ really ? So they didnt say tebow struggled reading defense and his mechanics were very bad? Because I could have swore they did. I agree with the black QB crap but in all fairness historically they aren't very accurate passers, Moon was phenomenal but for instance look at it today, Vick? mcnabb? Garrard? I mean those guys have struggled with comp % through out their career . I'm all for black QBs I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are just dogging them for nothing.[/quote]

"I'm all for black QBs, I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are dogging them for nothing" BTW, Garrard has been over 60% every year he has started.

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^ 60% is good? JC is better than that

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JC is 60% for his career and seeing that Garrard has been 64%, 62%, 64% and 60% twice I would hardly call him inaccurate, and yes 5+ years of 60% and over is good.

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^ it's decent not horrible but nothing special either. I'd take JC over garrard

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793865]^ it's decent not horrible but nothing special either. I'd take JC over garrard[/quote]

And I would fire you as a GM. So 64% is "decent?" How many QBs are pulling in 70% passing accuracy?

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^ not many but how many QBs are elite? Only a few , and back to Mallett I'm not a fan of his btw I wad just saying how unfair he's being treated and no one comes to his defense

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I'd say 70% is good so garrard had a good year fair? Also romo is usually around 65 but most people dog him too

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793869]I'd say 70% is good so garrard had a good year fair? Also romo is usually around 65 but most people dog him also[/quote]

Romo is dogged because of the post season. He's been a stud during the regular season. We haven't sniffed anything that good at QB with the Skins.

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^ his postseason record isn't great but look up the great Peyton manning in the playoffs, it's not that good either

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How many QBs are pulling in 70%?

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^ well just assuming I'd say none to 1 at most , I'd say manning or Brady would prob be the closest to that .'maybe Rodgers or rivers also

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Aaron Rodgers is only 64.4% for his career and I would call him elite.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793876]^ well just assuming I'd say none to 1 at most , I'd say manning or Brady would prob be the closest to that .'maybe Rodgers or rivers also[/quote]

double post

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Well I wouldn't say elite just yet let's wait and see another 3-4 years , that word gets tossed around to easily, he's a damn good QB no doubt and I'd take him over just about anyone. I dont even think Brees is elite either, manning and Brady are the only 2 imo

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Tom Brady 63% for his career.

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Tom Brady to me is the best QB in the league and has been since 01 he puts up great numbers and never losses, maybe the best QB of all time as I've said multiple times

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Peyton Manning 64.9% for his career.

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You said 64% was decent, which is a crazy statement.

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Comp % is good but it's all about winning my man, that's the bottom line, Rodgers and Brees are amazing no doubt but if they are elite then rivers and Eli could be also, remember Eli has won a SB

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Also, Aaron Rodgers is elite. Point blank.

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Ok it's good there and I was basically talking about garrard, he's a decent player nothing more

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And point blank David garrard is avg at best nothing much better than Campbell which u thought was a crazy statement

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793884]Comp % is good but it's all about winning my man, that's the bottom line, Rodgers and Brees are amazing no doubt but if they are elite then rivers and Eli could be also, remember Eli has won a SB[/quote]

Winning has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Trent Dilfer won a SB, as did Brad Johnson. Winning a SB doesn't make you elite.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793888]And point blank David garrard is avg at best nothing much better than Campbell which u thought was a crazy statement[/quote]

I said taking Campbell over Garrard would get you fired.

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So is Tony romo elite? He puts up the same numbers as Rodgers basically. Is rivers elite? I mean 6 QBs aren't elite my man come on

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And how would that get me fired? Garrard and JC are equal my Man, both are avg QBs. No arguing that

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793892]And how would that get me fired? Garrard and JC are equal my Man, both are avg QBs. No arguing that[/quote]

Yes there is, I'll take Garrard over JC any day.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793891]So is Tony romo elite? He puts up the same numbers as Rodgers basically. Is rivers elite? I mean 6 QBs aren't elite my man come on[/quote]

Romo no turns the ball over too much
Rivers getting there

Brees
Brady
Manning
Rodgers
4 elite QBs IDK where you got 6

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Alright we will end it at that lol good stuff though it's funny how ryan Mallett turned into every QB in the league. Good stuff my man and Rodgers is damn close I'll give u that. HTTR

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793886]Ok it's good there and I was basically talking about garrard, he's a decent player nothing more[/quote]

Never said Garrard was special. I said 64% was good, you said it was decent, then I listed all the top QBs whose % was right at or even lower than 64%, then you went all Charlie Sheen on me and started talking about "winning"

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Lol ok but u said winning isnt everything so if rivers and romo put up The same numbers and win many many games I'd say they are elite them too. Again that's a strong word. I give u the comp % argument but I'll take The elite argument, be reasonable. I'm out buddy it was a good discussion

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793897]Lol ok but u said winning isnt everything so if rivers and romo put up The same numbers and win many many games I'd say they are elite them too. Again that's a strong word. I give u the comp % argument but I'll take The elite argument, be reasonable. I'm out buddy it was a good discussion[/quote]

Where did I say winning isnt everything? It's the only thing but that was irrevelant to our conversation. Not giving you the elite argument.


4,000 yard plus his first two seasons, Professionally, Rodgers is the NFL's all-time career leader in passer rating during both the regular season (98.4), and in the post-season (112.6) ? among passers with at least 1,500 and 150 pass attempts respectively. He also owns the league's lowest career pass interception percentage for quarterbacks during the regular season (1.99%)

Yeah he is no where near elite

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793858]^ really ? So they didnt say tebow struggled reading defense and his mechanics were very bad? Because I could have swore they did. I agree with the black QB crap but in all fairness historically they aren't very accurate passers, Moon was phenomenal but for instance look at it today, Vick? mcnabb? Garrard? I mean those guys have struggled with comp % through out their career . I'm all for black QBs I could care less what color they are but don't say the networks are just dogging them for nothing.[/quote]

John Elway has a career completion percentage of 56%. DM5's career completion percentage is 59%, Dan Marino's career completion percentage is 59%. Yet, everyone's perception is DM5 is horribly inaccurate. When his numbers are on par with some of the greatest QB's who ever played in the NFL. This is one of many examples why I think some of the coverage is biased. In some cases, the criticism is justified. My only concern is when they generalize whenever their covering a Black QB.

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[quote=Eknox;793673]It's not racist when u hear him talk he does sound streetwise. Everyone's trying to condemn Jamie as a racist for that are you kidding me? He never even mentioned color. Racists are known to be very ignorant. I can see wrong choice of words. Jamie actually likes Mallett as a pro QB. So can we talk Football of move this crap to the good ole boy section?[/quote]

lmao..... exactly!!!!!!

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[quote=Shadowbyte;793851]I don't why when ever there's any racial discussion going on Whites always have to play the Jessie Jackson Al Sharpton card. There's plenty of White racial ambulance chasers too. Especially Rush Limbaugh. Here's an example.



[url=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091509/content/01125106.guest.html]From Kids on Bus to Kanye West: Race Rules All in Obama's America[/url]

Also, Fox News says racist stuff about Blacks all day long. So to say there's a "double" standard is rediculous. As If Blacks are the only ones who make politically incorrect statements.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY04gIruZ4E]YouTube - Fox Attacks: Black America[/url]

Now I don't see any of you self righteous defenders of parity condeming what's happenign on the other side of the political spectrum. Also, as for the NFL network. I get sick and tired of them questioning the mental dexterity of Black QB's. All of the criticisms center around the mental and psycological aspects of the position. I've never heard a White QB on their get critisized for their ability to "read-defenses" or "study his playbook".[/quote]

I understand your point. I really do. But maybe you're too young to remember Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson saying Terry Bradshaw couldn't spell "cat" if you spotted him the C. I don't think it's only Black QB's whose mental abilities are questioned. Personally I question Romo's and Eli's quite often. :)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793881]Tom Brady to me is the best QB in the league and has been since 01 he puts up great numbers and never losses, maybe the best QB of all time as I've said multiple times[/quote]


Hands down, Peyton Manning is the best QB that will have ever played this game before it's all said and done. I think you give Brady a little too much credit for those Super Bowls


Brady has had a lot of luck and a lot of help along the way.

Injury to Bledsoe?
Tuck rule?
One of the most reliable kickers in NFL history(kasay) kicking it out of bounds on kick off at the end of the game?
Adam Vinatieri probably has won more games for the Patriots than Brady.
A top ten defense each year they are in the Super Bowl (ranked either 1 or 2 in points allowed) save for maybe one year.


Manning started with nothing. Brady was drafted on to a team that had talent still from it's Super Bowl appearance 4 years earlier.

Brady will NEVER catch Manning's numbers. If you were to take Manning and switch him and Tom Brady, Manning could have won 3-4 more Super Bowls. It's unfortunate he's had to carry that team for so long, but you aren't going anywhere unless you have a defense come playoff time.

Brady is good and somebody I would want on my team, but the guy is a lucky mother ****er too. He's got a rabbit foot stuck up his ass no doubt.