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[quote=SmootSmack;796151]I think your collusion point is dead on, will be interesting to see who makes the first move here[/quote]

The problem (from my uneducated position) is that any move they make is collusion. They are a league built on working together, by definition colluding to provide a supposedly better product. If they say open the doors and use 2010 as a guide, the NFLPA has already said that that would be collusion (not in so many words, but by telling the judicial monarch (errr...judge) that all the NFL has to do is put rules in place that don't violate antitrust they were saying that in their opinion any rules the league tries to set won't meet her conditions)

If they don't make deals, collusion. If they make deals based on 2010 rules collusion. Heck if they make rules on the original 2006 CBA collusion. The NFLPA wants to force this chaos so that 3 segments make boatloads - the lawyers, the elite tiered talent, and the players agents, the rest of the groups, and the game be da***d.

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Well I don't think anybody is suggesting the league is going to install 2010 rules under which to move forward. By definition, they can't install any rules without bargaining in good faith with the players.

Absent any collective bargaining agreement, and given Judge Nelson's recent ruling, the league has to move forward under a free market system. No salary cap, all clauses (as JR mentioned) have to be explicitly installed into each individual contract, etc.

What this does is put all the pressure on the owners to come to a quick agreement with the players. If they get the players to agree to using 2010 rules under the pretense that further bargaining will take place to establish a new CBA, that is not collusion at all.

The whole point of Judge Nelson's ruling is to say, you can't lock out the players, now get back to the table and negotiate immediately, or you're going to have to move forward without any rules in place.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;796188]Yes. I meant owners.

IMHO Nelson should have stayed the lawsuit until the NLRB made a decision as to the players decision to decertify. IF the decertification was illegal, THEN the owners have no "anti-trust music" to face. Instead, in a case of judicial activism, Nelson injects herself into parralel proceedings writes the score, hires the musicians and rents the hall so that she can eventually force the owners to listen to her "Anti-trust Symphony In Green".

As I said, result oriented judiciating as opposed to law based judginess.

It's just not very scientifical.[/quote]

I think you have your finger on the pulse here. Nelson does seem to be engaging in results oriented decision making. She has left the owners with only one palatable escape from their "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation: make real compromise moves on a deal on a new CBA now.

Since I am not a legal purist, I like it. The owners have struck me as both greedy and arrogant, and as such in need of a swift kick in the pants. Nelson has delivered that swift kick.

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The owners sure are taking it on the chin.

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[quote=Mattyk;796261]The owners sure are taking it on the chin.[/quote]

Their arrogance is very reminiscent to that of Roger Clemens.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/players-show-up-to-work-out-redskins-turn-them-away/]Players show up to work out, Redskins turn them away | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;796283][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/players-show-up-to-work-out-redskins-turn-them-away/]Players show up to work out, Redskins turn them away | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I hope like hell they get slapped with contempt. That's exactly what they are showing right now. Haul every single one of the owners refusing to allow players in should go to jail, no passing go and collecting 4 billion dollars.

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I don't know. I've got some sources who say they were allowed in, and were inside the facility. I think Holliday may have gotten bad information.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/cardinals-dolphins-turn-players-away-too/]Cardinals, Dolphins turn players away, too | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Doesn't look like it's just the Skins either Smoot.

[quote]Per the source, tackle Levi Brown was advised in Arizona the the league is waiting for the 8th Circuit’s decision. In Miami, Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder was met with a letter posted on the door explaining the league’s decision to wait it out.[/quote]


...take in mind this is Florio reporting.

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Hehe...the players should have a big tailgate in the parking lot and invite the media.

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So the players are filing there response to the stay request tomorrow.

Albert Breer
In latest court filing, Brady class counsel says it will file an opposition to plaintiffs' motion for immediate stay by noon on Friday.

does that mean that the 8th circuit won't say anything till tomorrow night? If so, definitely puts the kabash on any 1st round player trading (ie K Kolb) We still may have time to trade AH for mister irrelevant

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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Nelson found the NFL in contempt right after the 1st pick of the draft.

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[quote=NC_Skins;796299][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/cardinals-dolphins-turn-players-away-too/]Cardinals, Dolphins turn players away, too | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Doesn't look like it's just the Skins either Smoot.




...take in mind this is Florio reporting.[/quote]

I think it may be semantics. As I understand it, Rabach and Alexander were able to enter the facility and spoke with Bruce Allen among others but no they couldn't train until this whole issue is resolved. So, no they were turned away at Redskins Park, but there wasn't much they could do.

But I know the other day, Alexander (I think it was him) went to Redskin Park to ensure he gets his workout bonus as much as anything else. He wanted to show his face and prove he at least attempted to work out.

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So, does this mean that Banks can return kicks?

(2010 rules in place, not the proposed new kickoff rule resulting in too many touchbacks?)

Does this apply to on-field rules or just CBA rules?

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Schefter just tweeted that:

"Players sent letter to owners demainding NFL to start year -- or it will ask for contempt of Court"

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[url=http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/4/28/2139259/2011-nfl-lockout-players-association-says-year-should-begin-now]2011 NFL Lockout: Player's Association Says Year Should Begin Now - Stampede Blue[/url]

Armed guards and stacks of boxes preventing guys from working out? ...lolol What a dope.

[quote]Security has picked up at #Titans facility. There's now an armed guard at lot entry. Inside, boxes have been stacked high leading to wt room[/quote]


These guys don't believe the law applies to them.

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I understand they want to stand their ground and all, but seriously? that's ridiculous

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The owners are starting look foolish. How can they hold the 2011 draft and say the year has not started? Creatively stupid? The draft should be postponed. Can't trade veteran players in this draft and college players that do not get drafted are told to wait. If the Draft was not such a money making media circus the owners would not be so quick to force it through. The owners need to be careful.

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[quote=Defensewins;796341]The owners are starting look foolish. How can hold the 2011 draft and say the year has not started? Creatively stupid. The draft should be postponed. Can't trade veteran players in this draft and college players that do not get drafted are told to wait. If the Draft was not such a money making media circus the owners would not be so quick to force it through. The owners need to be careful.[/quote]

After this fiasco, I just can't see how anyone could even sympathize with the owners. I think they are screwing up their own teams by not allowing free agency to happen. Well at least the winners of this will be the players in the draft who are going to have an inflated value because free agency didn't happen.

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[QUOTE]Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
League notifies teams as of 8AM Fri: Players permitted to use club facilities for physical examinations, rehab, medical treatment ...
5 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®[/QUOTE]

From the village idiot himself.


Guess Bud Adams didn't get that memo.

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[quote=NC_Skins;796344]From the village idiot himself.


Guess Bud Adams didn't get that memo.[/quote]

I would recommend following Schefter and Rich Campbell.

Rich Campbell
NFL will distribute to clubs, likely tomorrow, a "comprehensive set of procedures" governing transactions such as signings & trades.

Hopefully 2nd round picks and later picks may be able to be traded. If this is the case, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see Kolb, Orton, and McNabb traded by tomorrow morning.

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Schefters newest tweet:

"Memo to NFL clubs going out now on how to operate"

I should be studying for finals, instead I'm studying Tweets and mock drafts... I guess it's still studying though!

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From Vonnie Holliday:

"Vonnie Holliday
Redskin Park will be open tomorrow for players. Workouts will begin with strength staff tomorrow morning after a meeting with management!"

This should've happened on Tuesday, but good to see it happening at all.

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[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/nfl-teams-plan-to-open-facilities-friday-morning/"]NFL teams plan to open facilities Friday morning | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

“Judge Nelson said it was up to us to determine how to proceed, and we think in light of the fact that the first round of the draft is tonight, clubs are fully focused on that,” Aiello said. “The best way to proceed is for the veterans to start working out at facilities tomorrow, and then we’ll set up the process of starting the league year, which would include player trades and player signings. . . . [b]No player transactions until we start the league year.[/b]”

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[url=http://nfllabor.com/2011/04/28/nfl-statement-on-post-injunction-operations/]NFLLabor.com NFL statement on post-injunction operations «[/url]

From the horse's mouth.

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[quote=GreekSkin;796349][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/nfl-teams-plan-to-open-facilities-friday-morning/"]NFL teams plan to open facilities Friday morning | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

“Judge Nelson said it was up to us to determine how to proceed, and we think in light of the fact that the first round of the draft is tonight, clubs are fully focused on that,” Aiello said. “The best way to proceed is for the veterans to start working out at facilities tomorrow, and then we’ll set up the process of starting the league year, which would include player trades and player signings. . . . [b]No player transactions until we start the league year.[/b]”[/quote]



I don't recall Judge Nelson telling them they can start the new year whenever they get around to it. I think I read where she says the new league year starts now, and this was yesterday.

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From what I remember reading is that she said the NFL will have to deal with any consequences on how they proceed from this point. Maybe that's what he's referring to? If it is, the owners might be in some trouble because that's not even close to the same thing.

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[quote=NC_Skins;796350][url=http://nfllabor.com/2011/04/28/nfl-statement-on-post-injunction-operations/]NFLLabor.com NFL statement on post-injunction operations «[/url]

From the horse's mouth.[/quote]

Great find, I found this interesting:

"Mandatory and voluntary mini-camps may begin subject to the rules in Article [B]XXXVI of the 2006 CBA[/B]."

I wonder if they'd have modified 2006 CBA Rules? Although I think it would make more sense to do 2010 as much as they suck. If they go to 2006 rules, then players like Sidney Rice would be free for the taking. At the least I hope they can open up player trades so we can unload McNabb and (hopefully) Haynesworth (sh*t, I'll take a seventh rounder at this point).

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[quote=NC_Skins;796351]I don't recall Judge Nelson telling them they can start the new year whenever they get around to it. I think I read where she says the new league year starts now, and this was yesterday.[/quote]

Yeah I don't think the teams have to wait because she did say "immediately" however I think the owners want to take their complaint to the Eigth Circuit Court which I think the owners believe won't get settled by tonight. I also think the owners are in agreement not to make any free agency moves until after the Eigth Circuit decides, but officially teams can make moves and their hoping that no owner goes rogue and starts signing FA's.

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[quote=NC_Skins;796351]I don't recall Judge Nelson telling them they can start the new year whenever they get around to it. I think I read where she says the new league year starts now, and this was yesterday.[/quote]

Agree, I dont get the leagues last piece of that statement that says we getting something to together so we can agree with the league year starts...hasnt that been stated by the judge and the decision? From a legal standpoint, isnt free agency open and all facilities open? Why is this start date different from when players can go workout from when they become free agents if we past both those periods anyway?

How effing incompetent is the league and Goodell...how come he and the league wasnt ready for this ruling and had something prepared to go out immediately? Sloppy if you ask me

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[quote=NC_Skins;796338][URL="http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/4/28/2139259/2011-nfl-lockout-players-association-says-year-should-begin-now"]2011 NFL Lockout: Player's Association Says Year Should Begin Now - Stampede Blue[/URL]

Armed guards and stacks of boxes preventing guys from working out? ...lolol What a dope.




These guys don't believe the law applies to them.[/quote]


Ridiculous. I thought Bud Adams would just stand in the parking lot and shoot the bird to his players as they arrive. Having armed guards are insane.

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Maybe we'll get that 3rd/4th round pick for McNabb after all?

Big news to me, if I understand it right, is that we can give players (including our draft picks) our playbooks right away. So our new QB can get started learning the playbook this weekend

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[quote=Chico23231;796358]Agree, I dont get the leagues last piece of that statement that says we getting something to together so we can agree with the league year starts...hasnt that been stated by the judge and the decision? From a legal standpoint, isnt free agency open and all facilities open? Why is this start date different from when players can go workout from when they become free agents if we past both those periods anyway?

How effing incompetent is the league and Goodell...how come he and the league wasnt ready for this ruling and had something prepared to go out immediately? Sloppy if you ask me[/quote]

Not only that (FA/trades), but simply allowing the players to work out, which is still something that isn't being done. That is a direct violation with what the judge ruled. It's like some of the owners are saying "we don't care how you ruled, we are billionaires and are above your judgment". The NFLPA should as the court to find the NFL in contempt.

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oh, and Happy League New Year to all!!

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[quote=Monkeydad;796359]Ridiculous. I thought Bud Adams would just stand in the parking lot and shoot the bird to his players as they arrive. Having armed guards are insane.[/quote]

I can see that old bastard riding around in a golf cart doing exactly that. Having some poor kid drive while he takes shots of Jack Daniels and heckles the players as they arrive.

[IMG]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/120153/thumbs/s-BUD-ADAMS-large.jpg[/IMG]

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I think that may be their plan, to come accross as sloppy and un-prepared that way they have a better chance of avoiding any consequences. They're hoping if they look like they're doing something and being responsible they wont get too many complaints. The truth is though that they've been extremely irresponsible in not being prepared for mondays ruiling, let alone not being prepared after yesterday. If someone (like Judge Nelson) calls their bluff though, they'll be in trouble.

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[quote=SmootSmack;796363]oh, and Happy League New Year to all!![/quote]

Ha, yeah no sh*t WTF is think. Pimp slap Goodell for me tonite SS.

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[QUOTE]So there will be no trades of players under contract today, although it’s at least theoretically possible that the league year could start tomorrow and players under contract could be traded tomorrow and the next day, during Rounds 2-7 of the draft.

Of course, all of this is moot if the appeals court ruling goes the way the NFL is hoping.

“If they issue that stay, these arrangements would change, obviously,” Aiello said.

[/QUOTE]

Funny they address players under contract. They don't mention players who have been cut or are FA's. They mention players under contract and trades will not take place until Fri. at the earliest.

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[quote=SBXVII;796378]Funny they address players under contract. They don't mention players who have been cut or are FA's. They mention players under contract and trades will not take place until Fri. at the earliest.[/quote]

It's part of anti Eagles propoganda. The league know the Eags can sucker another team out of draft picks and with Kolb they can steal a first round pic.

- AJ Feely
- Donovan McNabb
- Kevin Kolb?

Buyer beware!