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I think most of us agree on a QB at 41 (Kaepernick, or Mallet). #49 is a toss up, but I'm thinking if we get a QB at 41, then we'll probably take the best available WR (Little, Hankerson, Smith) and Little IMO, seems like the best out of the 3. There are some good NT's later in the draft, and wouldn't mind a guy like Kenrick Ellis from Hampton (but he might be gone) [url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1684629]Kenrick Ellis, Hampton, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url].

We still have needs (CB, C, NT, ILB, OT) after are two picks, but getting a QB and WR adresses two needs.

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Listening to sportstalk radio- espn980's Chris Russell thinks Ryan Mallett is the guy.

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[quote=Lotus;797927]white flour
nitric acid
glycerin

Now that is a recipe for disaster. :cheeky-sm[/quote]

HA, now watch it our you will get a visit from Homeland security! Gotta run guys, sadly I wont be able to watch live tonight since I will driving all evening but I am having it tivo'd so I can watch it tonight. HTTR

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Oh and this doesnt have anything to do with the draft really but I mentioned it before so just an update, my buddy Andre Davis is apparently still wanting to sign with Washington, not sure it will all work out but hoping it does!

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[quote=Monkeydad;797933]Mallett is on the bottom of my list. I'll be a little angry if we get him.

I'd rather see Dalton, Stanzi, heck even Tyrod Taylor over the [B]pothead[/B] who can't run.[/quote]

That's Cokehead actually

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Why do people keep thinking Paea's a NT, none of these draft guys say that he'd be good at NT, he's a 4-3 DT people.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;797955]That's Cokehead actually[/quote]

Wow, he's worse than I thought.

I'm counting on you, Shanny...don't BLOW this pick on Mallett.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;797956]Why do people keep thinking Paea's a NT, none of these draft guys say that he'd be good at NT, he's a 4-3 DT people.[/quote]

This is why I want Dalton and a new Center from Penn State for him in Round 2. :D

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[quote=vallin21;797950]I think most of us agree on a QB at 41 (Kaepernick, or Mallet). #49 is a toss up, but I'm thinking if we get a QB at 41, then we'll probably take the best available WR (Little, Hankerson, Smith) and Little IMO, seems like the best out of the 3. There are some good NT's later in the draft, and wouldn't mind a guy like Kenrick Ellis from Hampton (but he might be gone) [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1684629"]Kenrick Ellis, Hampton, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL].

We still have needs (CB, C, NT, ILB, OT) after are two picks, but getting a QB and WR adresses two needs.[/quote]

Kenrick Ellis could be a great pickup. Obviously, i haven't seen much of him, but going from what you hear on the radio he got in some trouble at a big school as a Freshman, transferred played 3 years at Hampton as a model citizen and has been dominant. Don't know any further details.

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[quote=Monkeydad;797958]This is why I want Dalton and a new Center from Penn State for him in Round 2. :D[/quote]

We do need a new center.

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Pick 41 - Dalton (QB) TCU

Pick 49 - Hudson (C/G) FSU

Grossman starts week one, Dalton has a clipboard, and hopefully doesn't have to replace Grossman this season. Hudson starts day one, and Rabach is cut.

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Although, I wouldn't be against getting Little (WR) NC. The more I see of him, the more I see a really top tier WR that is big and can take a hit, a nice commodity. Then we can move Santana to the slot, and be REALLY dangerous.

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Talking with Pats about a move up, but they're probably holding out for more than we're willing to offer.

If trade doesn't happen, and I don't think it will, expect them to go for inside line help at 41 (or 49) and use the other pick to move down and add picks.

Don't be surprised if we don't go QB in round 2

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Best case:

41: Paea

49: Dalton

Alternatively, if Paea gone at 41:

41: Dalton;

49: J. Jenkins;

If Paea & Dalton gone:
41: T. Smith or R. Cobb (basically best WR the FO has on its board)

49: Jenkins

Essenatially, I think we need to come up with some beef in the middle of the DL. We desparately need someone who will stuff the middle. WR and QB's are a need, but we can make do. The D, however, needs to be retooled.

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[quote=SmootSmack;797969]Talking with Pats about a move up, but they're probably holding out for more than we're willing to offer.

If trade doesn't happen, and I don't think it will, expect them to go for inside line help at 41 (or 49) and use the other pick to move down and add picks.

Don't be surprised if we don't go QB in round 2[/quote]Greg McElroy, Pat Devlin, Scott Tolzien, Tyrod Taylor, Jerrod Johnson. All late round targets that fit the Redskin scheme and could interest us beyond the Stanzi line.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;797956]Why do people keep thinking Paea's a NT, none of these draft guys say that he'd be good at NT, he's a 4-3 DT people.[/quote]Paea would be a solid NT or 3-4 DE in our scheme. He's listed at 303, which isn't the 320+ you like out of an NT, however he has a high motor, low center of gravity....plus 49 reps in Bench. His scounting reports say he doesn't get moved off the line. The only thing making him drop is the knee.

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41 - Trade down
49 - Ellis, NT from Hampton

If 41 could become mid 2nd round add Casey Matthews and with the other pick add a CB and the defense could be top 10 again.

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[quote=SmootSmack;797969][B]Talking with Pats about a move up[/B], but they're probably holding out for more than we're willing to offer.

If trade doesn't happen, and I don't think it will, expect them to go for inside line help at 41 (or 49) and use the other pick to move down and add picks.

Don't be surprised if we don't go QB in round 2[/quote]

Can we please stop giving the Pats more draft picks, those f'ers already have two #1s for next season!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;797956]Why do people keep thinking Paea's a NT, none of these draft guys say that he'd be good at NT, he's a 4-3 DT people.[/quote]

His skill set sounds very much like prototypical NT.

[B]Wide as a Coke machine and just as difficult to move, Paea (pronounced pie-uh) has developed into one of the nation's best run-stuffers.[/B] His development is staggering in the sense that he signed with Oregon State having only played three years of organized football. ... Paea is a bit of a one-trick pony. He isn't agile enough to put consistent pressure on the quarterback at the NFL level. [B]His ability to tie up blocks in the middle will lead teams to look at him closely over the first 50 picks of the 2011 draft [I][COLOR="Red"]no matter what scheme they utilize[/COLOR][/I][/B].
...
Run defense: Is quick enough to surprise his opponent with a burst through the gap, but will [B]make his NFL millions due to the fact that he is a natural run plugger due to his short, squatty build and rare upper- and lower-body strength.[/B] Can be knocked off the ball when double-teamed, but flashes the ability to split them and is [B]rarely pushed far before he's able to plant his legs in the ground and create a pile. [/B]Doesn't have the lateral agility and balance to beat runners to the sideline, but hustles in pursuit.

Tackling: [B]Stays squared and low to knock down the ballcarrier near the line of scrimmage.[/B] Flashes explosive hitting ability, with a proven ability to knock the ball free. Tied the OSU record with four forced fumbles in 2009. [B]Good upper-body strength to drag down ballcarriers as they attempt to go past him. [/B]Doesn't have the speed or change of direction to offer much in pursuit.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620490]Stephen Paea, Oregon State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

No. He is not 350 pounds of load, but he is a 300 pounder and, from the description of his body type, I bet he could easily add another 20 -30 pounds.

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Did the redskins even meet with Paea? I know they went to Jerrell Powe's pro day and they've met with Kenrick Ellis (who we should really go after the most between these guys I mentioned)

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[quote=SmootSmack;797969]Talking with Pats about a move up, but they're probably holding out for more than we're willing to offer.

If trade doesn't happen, and I don't think it will, expect them to go for inside line help at 41 (or 49) and use the other pick to move down and add picks.

[B]Don't be surprised if we don't go QB in round 2[/B][/quote]


I hope you are right, it be a wasted pick, IMO.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;797984]No. He is not 350 pounds of load, but he is a 300 pounder and, from the description of his body type, I bet he could easily add another 20 -30 pounds.[/quote]49 reps at 225 don't hurt either :laughing-

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[quote=JoeRedskin;797984]His skill set sounds very much like prototypical NT.

[B]Wide as a Coke machine and just as difficult to move, Paea (pronounced pie-uh) has developed into one of the nation's best run-stuffers.[/B] His development is staggering in the sense that he signed with Oregon State having only played three years of organized football. ... Paea is a bit of a one-trick pony. He isn't agile enough to put consistent pressure on the quarterback at the NFL level. [B]His ability to tie up blocks in the middle will lead teams to look at him closely over the first 50 picks of the 2011 draft [I][COLOR="Red"]no matter what scheme they utilize[/COLOR][/I][/B].
...
Run defense: Is quick enough to surprise his opponent with a burst through the gap, but will [B]make his NFL millions due to the fact that he is a natural run plugger due to his short, squatty build and rare upper- and lower-body strength.[/B] Can be knocked off the ball when double-teamed, but flashes the ability to split them and is [B]rarely pushed far before he's able to plant his legs in the ground and create a pile. [/B]Doesn't have the lateral agility and balance to beat runners to the sideline, but hustles in pursuit.

Tackling: [B]Stays squared and low to knock down the ballcarrier near the line of scrimmage.[/B] Flashes explosive hitting ability, with a proven ability to knock the ball free. Tied the OSU record with four forced fumbles in 2009. [B]Good upper-body strength to drag down ballcarriers as they attempt to go past him. [/B]Doesn't have the speed or change of direction to offer much in pursuit.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620490]Stephen Paea, Oregon State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

No. He is not 350 pounds of load, but he is a 300 pounder and, from the description of his body type, I bet he could easily add another 20 -30 pounds.[/quote]

Well I tell all you Skins fans this, no matter what I think of Paea, I'd rather take him over Kaepernick, so if drafting him means we don't get Kaepernick I'll be happy.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;797985]Did the redskins even meet with Paea? I know they went to Jerrell Powe's pro day and they've met with Kenrick Ellis (who we should really go after the most between these guys I mentioned)[/quote]

I'd rather have Ellis too, a true NT

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[quote=mredskins;797987]I hope you are right, it be a wasted pick, IMO.[/quote]

^ we think alike..And I hope your right SS. It's the QB class next year that'll be the ones you can't miss

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[quote=Lotus;797935]Agree. Paea might end up being the best NT in the whole draft. I hope we have him in our trick-or-treat bag tonight.[/quote]

Wow, the draft as Halloween.

Soccer Mom: Ooo and what are you suppose to be.

Cinncinatti Bengals: A refuge for talented but troubled players

SM: Okay, well heres a big armed QB with an alleged 10 cent head, even though his wonderlic score was above average. OH and look at this a scary 3-4 defense. Here's a nice big nose tackle for you

(Picture the Mom with a Minnesota/hockey mom accent).

Yeah this sounded funnier when I first thought of it.

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I just hope we can a NT and someone on the OL. That would be perfect.

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Don't see Paea as a 3-4 NT... more of a 4-3 one-gap guy.
Would be very surprised if the Redskins are looking at him.

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Ellis looks like a Haynesworth 2.0 to me.

We need help in the middle and no one is standing out as an obvious choice. The ILB group also looks weak. If that's the case, OL, OL, OL.

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[quote=EEich;798016][B]Don't see Paea as a 3-4 NT... more of a 4-3 one-gap [/B]guy.
Would be very surprised if the Redskins are looking at him.[/quote]

yup...kinda feel the same way, too light. I was wonder if they do get him move him to Gholston's role and STILL look at a NT, maybe a Kendrick Ellis, Powe....I think that would be a super upgrade defensively. Paea, Ellis, Carriker up front. Kerrigan and Orakpo on the outside...wow I like that.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;798022][B]Ellis looks like a Haynesworth 2.0 to me. [/B]

We need help in the middle and no one is standing out as an obvious choice. The ILB group also looks weak. If that's the case, OL, OL, OL.[/quote]

A 4-3 DT, no we don't need one of those. We need a true NT, though Ellis has the frame from it and can be taught the position. I saw that he had to transfer from SC, anyone know what he did?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;797849]You guys r just giving up on this kid ? He was projected as the number 1 pick.. What if he stays healthy for 4-5 years? Just saying[/quote]

What position would he play if we took him? He doesn't have the bulk to play end and we already have addressed the OLB with Kerrigan. It would be superfluous for us to take Bowers.

Also, I like the idea of taking Rodney Hudson over Wisniewski as Hudson is a perfect fit for a zone blocking scheme, he has 47 career starts and can play all three interior line positions. I feel he'd be the better fit, but wouldn't be overly upset with Wisniewski.

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@ Ruhskins:

"In the spring of 2008, however, the Gamecocks first suspended Ellis for the first three games of the following season then dismissed him for repeated violations of team policy (reportedly due to multiple failed drug tests)."
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1684629]Kenrick Ellis, Hampton, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

When I said Ellis was a Haynesworth 2.0, I was referring to attitude. He has red flags all over his profile.

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Paea reminds me of slightly smaller Casey Hampton. I like it.

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[quote=Chico23231;798024]yup...kinda feel the same way, too light. I was wonder if they do get him move him to Gholston's role and STILL look at a NT, maybe a Kendrick Ellis, Powe....I think that would be a super upgrade defensively. Paea, Ellis, Carriker up front. Kerrigan and Orakpo on the outside...wow I like that.[/quote]

A lot of the leagues current Nose Tackles didn't come out of of college with the ideal weight to man the nose. Casey Hampton for example was 314 pounds at the combine. Vince Wilfolk was 323 and has stuck with that claim ever since (you only have to disclose injuries not actual weight). Ahtyba Rubin was 315. Ryan Picket came in at 309 now he's 340.

Adding 20 to 30 pounds is going to be a lot easier with a 6 figure salary, weight trainers, and nutrition experts working with you

Either way weight is only part of the equation. You need strength and Paea is certainly strong enough to take on double teams.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;798003]Wow, the draft as Halloween.

Soccer Mom: Ooo and what are you suppose to be.

Cinncinatti Bengals: A refuge for talented but troubled players

SM: Okay, well heres a big armed QB with an alleged 10 cent head, even though his wonderlic score was above average. OH and look at this a scary 3-4 defense. Here's a nice big nose tackle for you

(Picture the Mom with a Minnesota/hockey mom accent).

Yeah this sounded funnier when I first thought of it.[/quote]

Isn't the draft like trick-or-treat? You often cannot control or predict what you will get but, whatever it is, you hope it is good.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;798036]@ Ruhskins:

"In the spring of 2008, however, the Gamecocks first suspended Ellis for the first three games of the following season then dismissed him for repeated violations of team policy (reportedly due to multiple failed drug tests)."
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1684629]Kenrick Ellis, Hampton, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

When I said Ellis was a Haynesworth 2.0, I was referring to attitude. He has red flags all over his profile.[/quote]

Gotcha. Yeah I dunno if I'd go with Ellis if character is a big concern.. Although, Paea's knee issue scares me a bit, you don't want a big guy with knee problems.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;797849]You guys r just giving up on this kid ? He was projected as the number 1 pick.. What if he stays healthy for 4-5 years? Just saying[/quote]

I would also argue that apart from selecting a nose tackle, we should be just about done addressing the front seven at this point. I'd be surprised if they take another LB/DE. That's another reason we should pass on Bowers.

O-line, secondary, running back, and wide receiver have to be next on the list of priorities.

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We shall draft..........
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a cornerback and linebacker.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;798055]We shall draft..........
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a cornerback and linebacker.[/quote]

We drafted a LB in Round 1.