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[quote=GMScud;801179]Let's be careful here people. I know we have a large number of members here who are both black and white. Please read your responses before you hit "post," and let's make sure we're not offending anyone. Remember the motto of this forum- for the INTELLIGENT fans. Let's act as such.

Discussions of race are delicate, and the language and verbage we use needs to follow suit.[/quote]

My point was not to sound racist or ruffle any feathers. My point was that, it sounded like people were complaining that the "cops" were profiling and in this case that would be wrong. Even in the beginning of my comment you would notice I said I was not singling out Schneed10 because I was not sure if his comment was saying the cops were profiling or the neighbor, but that in this case the cops did not profile.

With the other comments made I was simply asking that if a call goes out to the police that there is suspicous activity and after arriving, what are they supposed to do if they have been called out there?

I'll be the first to agree African Americans or minorities in general, a lot of the time are not treated fairly. I would be ignorant to say "no there is no such thing as profiling." But in this case it's hard to tell if the "neighbor" was profiling or not. We don't have their side of the story. What if the neighbor was African American also?

People here were quick to jump on the foot ball players inuendo that he was being singled out because he was "black and rich." In other words it's the cops or a neighbor who were being racist and profiling. and all I'm trying to point out is the cops were doing their jobs. They were called there. Someone reported suspicous activity and we don't know exactly what activity was going on. I would like to think any and all of us would call the cops if we saw "anyone" who had suspicous activity and that does not constitute anyone being racist or profiling.

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[quote=Mattyk;801392]Wait... MTV plays videos?[/quote]

20 minute videos with 10 minutes of commercials in between.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;801410]Im inclined to agree with quake on this one. One thing ive always said is that if its not my buisness than its none of my buisness. Once it becomes public or out in the open in my neighborhood than it is my buisness. What goes on behind someones closed door is none of my buisness.[/quote]

My bad.

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I think this thread will be closed soon.

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[quote=GMScud;801209]I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.[/quote]

Honestly, drugs effect all walks of life. Rich or poor it doesn't matter. There are rich people out there who are living beyond their means as well as poor people. and race does not matter either. Part of the problem is the economy and availability of jobs. The economy has tanked and people are/were losing their jobs. Either they are using drugs to blank out the issue or they are selling in order to support their families.

But, we don't have to assumed that the nosey neighbor thought drugs were being sold. What if the neighbor thought the owner was in some kind of trouble? especially if there have been home invasions in the area recently. or thought someone had broken into the neighbors house? especially if they had not seen the owner.

I just don't like seeing people automatically jumping to the conclusion that all police officers are bad or that everyone profiles when in reality the police were called to the house because of a neighbor, and we don't know what the neighbor had seen to make them want to call the police.

I have a lot of police friends and can tell you that depending on what the "suspicous activity" was yes the cops will sit back and try to observe what is going on before making contact. But as I just stated we don't know what the neighbor used as "suspicous activity" and if the police sit back and don't go to the residence then "if" a crime is being committed then they might lose out on having a suspect.

Everyone is hung up on the suspicous activity wording, in order to keep a record on every call the police department has to file whatever the behavior is into some sort of catagory. A lot of behavior can fall under suspicous activity; an unknown vehicle seen several times in your area, a high volume of traffic coming and going from a residence, screaming from a neighbors residence, a man half naked walking down the street. Purchase a scanner and listen to all the BS calls that police have to respond to; one that ticks me off is "a man walking down the road in camoflage carrying a gun", during hunting season. Hello? but because the police got the call they have to look into it. God forbid they don't look into it and a crime occurred, how would that sound in the paper the next day? Police were called out and failed to show up or investigate.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;801395]Now assuming ANY color be it black, white, red, blue or fusion green is up to no good based on some cars being there is ignorant and racist[/quote]

When you first arrived on this site I figured eh, young kid, I'll let him slide. But you apparently haven't gotten any smarter as you've aged.

Go back and re-read. Do not address me again until you've read it over at least 100 times.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;801427]20 minute videos with 10 minutes of commercials in between.[/quote]

It's not even "Music Videos" anymore it's all "Reality TV."

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[quote=gibbsisgod;801410]Im inclined to agree with quake on this one. One thing ive always said is that if its not my buisness than its none of my buisness. Once it becomes public or out in the open in my neighborhood than it is my buisness. What goes on behind someones closed door is none of my buisness.[/quote]

Couldn't possibly disagree with that more. If there's a drug dealer in my neighborhood, or even if there's SUSPICION of a drug dealer in my neighborhood, it will depress the value of my home.

Neighborhoods with drug dealers are generally considered undesirable places to live. Imagine that.

If the guy next door to me likes to play loud music, I'll ask him to stop or call the cops. If people in my neighborhood drive too fast up and down the street, I'll ask them to slow down. If I suspect someone is dealing drugs or running a prostitution ring, you better believe I'd call the cops.

When I sell my house I'd like it to go for 10% more than I bought it, not 10% less.

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He must have it pretty easy when he can describe his life as being "hard" and link it to this incident. With all (other) things being equal, I think there's nothing hard about being young and rich except staying rich no matter what color you are.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;801410]Im inclined to agree with quake on this one. One thing ive always said is that if its not my buisness than its none of my buisness. Once it becomes public or out in the open in my neighborhood than it is my buisness. What goes on behind someones closed door is none of my buisness.[/quote]

I somewhat totally agree with you. You want to drink beer all night long naked go right ahead. You want to smoke marijuana all night long go right ahead.

If your selling drugs all night long then it does effect others; high traffic, unsavory people who no one knows coming and going from the neighborhood, and as someone else said that behavior usually leads to other behavior. Like people robbing the drug dealer for the drugs and money. People shooting at other people. No it doesn't happen every day but do you want to be outside in your front yard with your kids when it does? no. So neighbors complain of suspicous activity because they want the police to check it out and make sure thats not happening so they can feel safe.

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[quote=Schneed10;801150]Frankly, yes.

Crime happens in lower income areas because the people don't make much money. If I'm making $150,000 a year there's a lot more to lose if I'm caught selling drugs. There's also less to gain; the person making $150,000 doesn't need drug money to make ends meet.

The people who turn to selling drugs are often lower-income and often uneducated.

There will always be exceptions, but if we're talking about the most accurate way to profile somebody, it's based on income levels, not race or gender.[/quote]


Completely agree. While there is a racial component to this, I don't think we should be quick to racialize (I know, not a word) everything.

Truth is, we all have prejudices. At times we lean toward them more or less depending on our surroundings and the information we've gathered over the years. I'm not justifying the actions of either party in this situation, but it is what it is.

I've just come to learn that not all things that appear to be racist is racism, sometimes it's just plain old everyday ignorance and you just have to leave it there and keep it moving.

That said, I think black athletes do live under more of a public microscope related to their comings and goings. Why is that? I think that's another can of worms all by itself.

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[quote=Schneed10;801450]Couldn't possibly disagree with that more. If there's a drug dealer in my neighborhood, or even if there's SUSPICION of a drug dealer in my neighborhood, it will depress the value of my home.

Neighborhoods with drug dealers are generally considered undesirable places to live. Imagine that.

If the guy next door to me likes to play loud music, I'll ask him to stop or call the cops. If people in my neighborhood drive too fast up and down the street, I'll ask them to slow down. If I suspect someone is dealing drugs or running a prostitution ring, you better believe I'd call the cops.

When I sell my house I'd like it to go for 10% more than I bought it, not 10% less.[/quote]

100% agree. Not only that but now adays people don't even want to go speak with their neighbors about small issues like the music being to loud or the speeding up and down the road because they are afraid of being verbally attacked. which quite often happens now. So most people call the police because they just don't want to be the one singled out as the complaintant and have their house egged or vandalized because it pissed off someone that they complained.

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And let me just go on the record saying if there's a group of young brothers constantly coming and going next door to me, you damn skippy I think they're up to no good. It's just a matter of time before I'm calling Johnny Law. Probably quicker than I would if it were a bunch of white dudes wearing polo shorts and flip flops. Sorry kids, 12th has a tinge of racism in him. So much for my aspirations of becoming a Mod.

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Never assume anything...if your neighbor does assumes the worst about you do your best to make their lives miserable.

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[quote=12thMan;801459]And let me just go on the record saying if there's a group of young brothers constantly coming and going next door to me, you damn skippy I think they're up to no good. It's just a matter of time before I'm calling Johnny Law. Probably quicker than I would if it were a bunch of white dudes wearing polo shorts and flip flops. Sorry kids, 12th has a tinge of racism in him. So much for my aspirations of becoming a Mod.[/quote]

Wait, aren't you black?

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Dude, I'm 12thMan.

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[quote=GMScud;801470]Wait, aren't you black?[/quote]

Yeah but he wears polos and flip flops.

By the way, fist bump to that look, 12th. Just don't pop the collar.

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He's a Dude, dressed up like a Dude, pretending to be another Dude.

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I'll leave the popped collar to Saden.

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I'll tell you whats tough. Being young, white, and rich. Everytime I get pulled over the cops let me go. How am I suppose to build my street cred without an arrest record? It's like they pull me over and say "sorry I thought you were latino/middle eastern."

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[quote=12thMan;801482]I'll leave the popped collar to Saden.[/quote]

I dont pop, I walk with a swagga limp caused by my third leg.

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[quote=SBXVII;801445]Honestly, drugs effect all walks of life. Rich or poor it doesn't matter. There are rich people out there who are living beyond their means as well as poor people. and race does not matter either. Part of the problem is the economy and availability of jobs. The economy has tanked and people are/were losing their jobs. Either they are using drugs to blank out the issue or they are selling in order to support their families.

But, we don't have to assumed that the nosey neighbor thought drugs were being sold. What if the neighbor thought the owner was in some kind of trouble? especially if there have been home invasions in the area recently. or thought someone had broken into the neighbors house? especially if they had not seen the owner.

I just don't like seeing people automatically jumping to the conclusion that all police officers are bad or that everyone profiles when in reality the police were called to the house because of a neighbor, and we don't know what the neighbor had seen to make them want to call the police.

I have a lot of police friends and can tell you that depending on what the "suspicous activity" was yes the cops will sit back and try to observe what is going on before making contact. But as I just stated we don't know what the neighbor used as "suspicous activity" and if the police sit back and don't go to the residence then "if" a crime is being committed then they might lose out on having a suspect.

Everyone is hung up on the suspicous activity wording, in order to keep a record on every call the police department has to file whatever the behavior is into some sort of catagory. A lot of behavior can fall under suspicous activity; an unknown vehicle seen several times in your area, a high volume of traffic coming and going from a residence, screaming from a neighbors residence, a man half naked walking down the street. Purchase a scanner and listen to all the BS calls that police have to respond to; one that ticks me off is "a man walking down the road in camoflage carrying a gun", during hunting season. Hello? but because the police got the call they have to look into it. God forbid they don't look into it and a crime occurred, how would that sound in the paper the next day? Police were called out and failed to show up or investigate.[/quote]

The reasons you give are legitimate reasons for police to knock on my door. That I have black friends that come over a lot and that they drive Escaldes is not a legitimate reason. Do you see the difference?
If Peyton Manning's wife had her girlfriends over and they all drove Esclaldes, would the neighbors be scared,locking their doors and calling the cops? Quick get the kids inside! No.
But you fill those Esclaldes with young men of color and suddenly the Dudley do rights neighbors have their chair at the window and become spies.

When Police and neighbors start treating one sector of society differently the other because of stereotypes, skin color or socio-econmic grouping then we all lose.

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How to get back at your douchebag neighbor Sopranos:

[yt]F3LerLGezZ0[/yt]

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[quote=dirtbag59;801486]i'll tell you whats tough. Being young, white, and rich. Everytime i get pulled over the cops let me go. How am i suppose to build my street cred without an arrest record? It's like they pull me over and say "sorry i thought you were latino/middle eastern."[/quote]
lollll

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[quote=Defensewins;801488]The reasons you give are legitimate reasons for police to knock on my door. That I have black friends that come over a lot and that they drive Escaldes is not a legitimate reason. Do you see the difference?
[B]If Peyton Manning's wife had her girlfriends over and they all drove Esclaldes, would the neighbors be scared,locking their doors and calling the cops?[/B] Quick get the kids inside! No.
But you fill those Esclaldes with young men of color and suddenly the Dudley do rights neighbors have their chair at the window and become spies.

When Police and neighbors start treating one sector of society differently the other because of stereotypes, skin color or socio-econmic grouping then we all lose.[/quote]

If they walked into the house holding up their pants I'd call the cops. When was the last time you read about middle aged white women running drugs. It happens but not very often if it did MTV would have videos of them riding around calling guys their ho and flashing money.

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[quote=firstdown;801499]If they walked into the house holding up their pants I'd call the cops. [B]When was the last time you read about middle aged white women running drugs[/B]. It happens but not very often if it did MTV would have videos of them riding around calling guys their ho and flashing money.[/quote]

have you ever heard of middle america and that fun little drug they call meth? and do you just watch mtv all day?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dUfykR-_g]YouTube - Take it Easy, Champ[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;801499]If they walked into the house holding up their pants I'd call the cops. When was the last time you read about middle aged white women running drugs. It happens but not very often if it did MTV would have videos of them riding around calling guys their ho and flashing money.[/quote]

Actually one of the most common ways I've heard of to move drugs through airports is white women with babies. They make the perfect drug mules carrying cocaine and meth in formula packs or bottles.

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Forget all this profiling stuff.....I just want to be Young, Rich and Black!!!!!

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I'd like to be rich Idc what color I am :)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;801512]I'd like to be rich Idc what color I am :)[/quote]

At this point I'd be happy being young.

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"I'm gunna find my baby gunna hold her tight gunna find some afternoon delight...."

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[quote=mlmdub130;801503]have you ever heard of middle america and that fun little drug they call meth? and do you just watch mtv all day?

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dUfykR-_g"]YouTube - Take it Easy, Champ[/URL][/quote]

Whats MVT?

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[quote=firstdown;801538]Whats MVT?[/quote]

MVT...only FD :doh:

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[quote=Schneed10;801447]When you first arrived on this site I figured eh, young kid, I'll let him slide. But you apparently haven't gotten any smarter as you've aged.

Go back and re-read. Do not address me again until you've read it over at least 100 times.[/quote]

I am like a fine wine, I get better with age, your opinion of me doesn't affect my opinion of myself, it might effect my opinion of you (but since I dont know you personally it doesn't) but that in turn shouldn't affect your opinion of yourself and I'm sure it wont. Good Day Sir,

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MVT: Moving down Via Trade.

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Speaking of COPS

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81faff20/article/ward-says-la-police-apologized-after-mixup-over-stolen-car?module=HP_headlines]NFL.com news: Ward says L.A. police apologized after mix-up over stolen car[/url]

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^ That story was crazy also.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;801557]^ That story was crazy also.[/quote]

Ward seemed pretty cool about it though which is cool

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[quote=Schneed10;801450]Couldn't possibly disagree with that more. If there's a drug dealer in my neighborhood, or even if there's SUSPICION of a drug dealer in my neighborhood, it will depress the value of my home.

Neighborhoods with drug dealers are generally considered undesirable places to live. Imagine that.

[B]If the guy next door to me likes to play loud music, I'll ask him to stop or call the cops. If people in my neighborhood drive too fast up and down the street, I'll ask them to slow down.[/B] If I suspect someone is dealing drugs or running a prostitution ring, you better believe I'd call the cops.

When I sell my house I'd like it to go for 10% more than I bought it, not 10% less.[/quote]Thats not exactly what I meant. In those instances I would speak up because if they playmusic loud enough that I can hear it and it is bothering me than it has become my buisness. Same way with someone speeding in my neighborhood where my kids play. That is also my buisness. But just becasue I suspect someone of doing something doesnt give me the right to put my nose in it. I would rather be the person who respects a neighbors expectation of privacy instead ofthe neighborhood tattle tale. If its going on out in the open than of course its a concern but what someone does in their own home shouldnt be of any concern to me.

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[quote=firstdown;801499]If they walked into the house holding up their pants I'd call the cops. [B]When was the last time you read about middle aged white women running drugs[/B]. It happens but not very often if it did MTV would have videos of them riding around calling guys their ho and flashing money.[/quote]Surprised you didn't see this.

[url=http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/students-react-to-teacher's-drug-arrest]Students react to teacher's drug arrest | WAVY.com | Virginia Beach, Va.[/url]