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So there's some speculation out there that Rick Perry might be making a move to get in the race, he has close ties with a few of these guys.

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[quote=12thMan;806576]This really puts him in a bind with the next debate right around the corner. Talk about being left high and dry.

Besides Newt being a loser of epic proportions, this might signal another dark horse jumping into the race or they're defecting to another campaign. Maybe Michelle Bachmann or Pawlenty? She'll be strong in Iowa.

It's hard out there being pimp.[/quote]Not sure what the end-game target is with him and Palin. Their negatives, even within the GOP, are too high for a serious run at POTUS. I can understand wanting to influence the policy debate, or maybe jump on a ticket as a VP, but a POTUS run ain't cheap.

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[quote=12thMan;806579]So there's some speculation out there that Rick Perry might be making a move to get in the race, he has close ties with a few of these guys.[/quote]Why? He could be the President of the Texas Federation of States. :)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;806581]Not sure what the end-game target is with him and Palin. Their negatives, even within the GOP, are too high for a serious run at POTUS. I can understand wanting to influence the policy debate, or maybe jump on a ticket as a VP, but a POTUS run ain't cheap.[/quote]

It ain't cheap and it ain't easy. I think there's some jockeying going on with jobless claims still high (400k), which might signal we're in for another rough unemployment figure next cycle. If that's the case, it's now or never for the guys on the fence. The Rudys, the Rick Perrys, and the Palins of the world.

Rick Perry would carry Texas easily and then some, plus he's got that good old boy Texas swag. TPaw, Romney, Huntsman -- none of them quite have that appeal, if that makes sense.

Sarah Palin is in weird corner politically. She can't afford, and can't stand, for the spotlight to be on someone else for too long, but she can't risk jumping in the race and getting her ass handed to her in Iowa. But one thing is for sure, she can't just parachute into the campaign like she did in 2008 and expect voters to genuflect and get behind her. She's going to have to earn it.

This smells more and more like Rick Perry as I type.

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Update on Newt's campaign, more good news:

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/09/breaking-gingrich-campaign-aides-resigns/]BREAKING: Gingrich campaign aides resign – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;806584]Rick Perry would carry Texas easily and then some, plus he's got that good old boy Texas swag. TPaw, Romney, Huntsman -- none of them quite have that appeal, if that makes sense.[/quote]absolutely makes sense, I expect he would do well in FL and NC, not sure about Ohio/Indiana

[quote]Sarah Palin is in weird corner politically. She can't afford, and can't stand, for the spotlight to be on someone else for too long, but she can't risk jumping in the race and getting her ass handed to her in Iowa. But one thing is for sure, she can't just parachute into the campaign like she did in 2008 and expect voters to genuflect and get behind her. She's going to have to earn it. [/quote]She needs to be an attack dog/cheerleader/fundraiser for the GOP candidate through the election, then get a nice ambassadorship or a talk show on Fox. The only benefit she brings for the GOP if she's in the primaries is to attract and absorb slings/arrows from the left making the eventual candidates path slightly smoother through the primaries.

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[quote=12thMan;806579]So there's some speculation out there that Rick Perry might be making a move to get in the race, he has close ties with a few of these guys.[/quote]

Yeah Perry, and some folk still really want Chris Christie to run

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[quote=Chico23231;806589]Update on Newt's campaign, more good news:

[URL="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/09/breaking-gingrich-campaign-aides-resigns/"]BREAKING: Gingrich campaign aides resign – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/URL][/quote]

Good news if you think Gingrich was going to cause a bigger stir than Rick Perry, which I'm not so sure about right now. Rob Johnson was Newt's campaign manager (and former Perry aide), who just quit. A possible return to Perry's side for the yet to be announced Perry presidential bid?

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20070378-503544.html#ixzz1OoSRIIuK]Texas Governor Rick Perry "serious" about White House bid - sources - Political Hotsheet - CBS News[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;806625]Yeah Perry, and some folk still really want Chris Christie to run[/quote]

I think they'd be formidable on the same ticket (especially given geography), but I doubt that happens.

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The hallmark of a good candidate is the ability to win their home state. I am not convinced T-Paw, Palin, Romney, and Christy could win their state.

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Chris Christie would be a fool to get talked into running. He won't carry NJ, his numbers are slipping there too, and he's been on the job, what, six months? If he vacates that seat, I think there's a solid chance a Dem would pick that seat up. Corey Booker anyone?

Rick Perry would be a formidable primary candidate, in my opinion, but I don't think he matches up well with Obama in a general election.

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When it comes to hypocrisy, Rick Perry gets that First Prize:

[url=http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm]Texas balanced budget with stimulus money from Washington - Jan. 23, 2011[/url]

Wonder how the tea party feels about that?

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I see shades of Fred Thompson when I think of Chris Christie. In the sense that he may ultimately get talked into it but not really want to do it, and it will show

Huntsman-Rubio 2012!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;806672]When it comes to hypocrisy, Rick Perry gets that First Prize:

[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm"]Texas balanced budget with stimulus money from Washington - Jan. 23, 2011[/URL]

Wonder how the tea party feels about that?[/quote]Not so fast my friend. Headlines are nice, but the devil is in the details. As the Gov of TX it would be flat out irresponsible for him to leave Federal money to help his state on the table.

From the article:
"Texas would have balanced its budget regardless of the presence of stimulus dollars," said Lucy Nashed, Perry's deputy press secretary. "This money came from the pockets of Texas taxpayers, and we are committed to getting our fair share of these dollars, which would have otherwise been disbursed to other states."

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;806690]Not so fast my friend. Headlines are nice, but the devil is in the details. As the Gov of TX it would be flat out irresponsible for him to leave Federal money to help his state on the table.

From the article:
"Texas would have balanced its budget regardless of the presence of stimulus dollars," said Lucy Nashed, Perry's deputy press secretary. "This money came from the pockets of Texas taxpayers, and we are committed to getting our fair share of these dollars, which would have otherwise been disbursed to other states."[/quote]

See you're missing the point, its not the fact he took the money...your almost there

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Poll: Obama Holds Big 2012 Lead over Republicans

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dmek, how are you? Where ya been?

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[quote=Chico23231;806692]See you're missing the point, its not the fact he took the money...your almost there[/quote]
I'll have to say I'm torn on this issue. While I want the goverment to reduce spending the money Texas took was money all ready spent. So if Texas did not take the money it would just go to another state so by refusing the money he would not reduce any spending.

That would be like me pointing to someone who takes a tax right off but believes we need to increase taxes.

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So they get 24,000 emails of SP and they have come up with nothing? When was the last time we have seen a person attacked over and over again by the left and the media? We know less about our president then we know about SP. Not sure how many people could have 24,000 email reviewed without something poping up. Hell if they just read my emails for on week they would find more.

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So is anyone watching the GOP Debate tonight on CNN?

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[quote=12thMan;806700]dmek, how are you? Where ya been?[/quote]
hi 12th. im lurking. just have a lot going on in my life right now. you doing good?

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I'm good...same old.

CNN debate is interesting.

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Huntsman is winning this debate I think...but he's not there....exactly

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Actually, Michele Bachmann is doing herself some good. I think she'll be the big winner tonight. Not impressed with Huntsman's decision to skip.

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Well I guess he wants to wait until he's officially running

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Bachmann will do well in Iowa, but I don't think it goes much further than that. But her rhetoric is pointed and she can raise money (at least on a state level), so she may stir it up a little. Not much of a starter IMO. The Tea Party loves her, that's for sure, but I don't think an Evangelical Christian is a proper hire in a time where middle ground is so important.

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[quote=GMScud;806933]Bachmann will do well in Iowa, but I don't think it goes much further than that. But her rhetoric is pointed and she can raise money (at least on a state level), so she may stir it up a little. Not much of a starter IMO. The Tea Party loves her, that's for sure, but I don't think an Evangelical Christian is a proper hire in a time where middle ground is so important.[/quote]

I think she could have a Huckabee like campaign. Own Iowa and then struggle to tread water the rest of the way

Thought Pawlenty was very disappointing tonight

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I hate it when people try and act all smart by talking all fancy like. Get off your high horse Ron Paul! Slow down and talk about things the people understand!

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]"Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who has run for president before, did little to shake his image as a fringe candidate by talking too fast and [B]dropping obscure subjects[/B] [B]like "Keynesian bubble'' and "monetary policy''[/B] into the conversation."[/SIZE][/FONT]

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110613/pl_yblog_exclusive/romney-bachmann-dominate-gracious-gop-debate"]Romney, Bachmann dominate gracious GOP debate - Yahoo! News[/URL]

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[quote=mlmpetert;806944][B]I hate it when people try and act all smart by talking all fancy like[/B]. Get off your high horse Ron Paul! Slow down and talk about things the people understand!

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]"Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who has run for president before, did little to shake his image as a fringe candidate by talking too fast and [B]dropping obscure subjects[/B] [B]like "Keynesian bubble'' and "monetary policy''[/B] into the conversation."[/SIZE][/FONT]

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110613/pl_yblog_exclusive/romney-bachmann-dominate-gracious-gop-debate"]Romney, Bachmann dominate gracious GOP debate - Yahoo! News[/URL][/quote]

Sorry I'll try to stop using those big words.

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I saw this on the MSNBC site but I did not want to start another thread.

Obama: ‘There are days when I say one term is enough’
He talks re-election bid and how his family feels about his decision to run

Obama we say that everyday.

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dont include me in that. my memory is a lot better then yours. old W left enough of a bitter taste in my mouth to last a life time

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Of 415 historians who expressed a view of President Bush’s administration to this point as a success or failure, 338 classified it as a failure and 77 as a success. (Moreover, it seems likely that at least eight of those who said it is a success were being sarcastic, since seven said Bush’s presidency is only the best since Clinton’s and one named Millard Fillmore.) Twelve percent of all the historians who responded rate the current presidency the worst in all of American history, not too far behind the 19 percent who see it at this point as an overall success.

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Maybe "monetary policy" is an obsure subject.....

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/laugh-or-cry-video-shows-d-c-tourists-cant-answer-basic-civics-questions/]Laugh or Cry? Video Shows D.C. Tourists Can’t Answer Basic Civics Questions | The Blaze[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;807111]Maybe "monetary policy" is an obsure subject.....

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/laugh-or-cry-video-shows-d-c-tourists-cant-answer-basic-civics-questions/]Laugh or Cry? Video Shows D.C. Tourists Can’t Answer Basic Civics Questions | The Blaze[/url][/quote]

LOL @ "the crazy guy that doesn't know much"

The idiocy is quite rich!

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I wouldn't underestimate Bachmann at all. If she does well in Iowa or outright wins, which is possible, that almost certainly puts her in the discussion for VP. In a way that Sarah Palin wasn't, because Bachmann is a sitting member of Congress and voters are getting to actually know her and her policy positions as opposed to parachuting into the campaign in the final stages like Palin did. And if she can do well in Iowa, I would expect her to do well in South Carolina too.

I think minimizing gaffes and staying away stuff like where is New Hampshire (sarcasm) will help her a lot. I dare say her biggest asset is that she's authentic and that goes a long, long ways when people are picking candidates.

I don't know if there are any TPaw fans here, but if that guy can't look Mitt Romney in the eye and shoot straight about healthcare, then he sure as hell can't shoot straight with a dictator who wants to wipe us off the map.

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[quote=12thMan;807140]he sure as hell can't shoot straight with a dictator who wants to wipe us off the map.[/quote]You're right, he'll never be able to shoot straight with Obama. :D

great (scary tho) vid, LOL at saden's and also the "guy that cries all the time".

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I actually had to read that twice - I'm not so quick these days:)

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[quote=12thMan;807140]I wouldn't underestimate Bachmann at all. If she does well in Iowa or outright wins, which is possible, that almost certainly puts her in the discussion for VP. In a way that Sarah Palin wasn't, because Bachmann is a sitting member of Congress and voters are getting to actually know her and her policy positions as opposed to parachuting into the campaign in the final stages like Palin did. And if she can do well in Iowa, I would expect her to do well in South Carolina too.

I think minimizing gaffes and staying away stuff like where is New Hampshire (sarcasm) will help her a lot. I dare say her biggest asset is that she's authentic and that goes a long, long ways when people are picking candidates.

I don't know if there are any TPaw fans here, but if that guy can't look Mitt Romney in the eye and shoot straight about healthcare, then he sure as hell can't shoot straight with a dictator who wants to wipe us off the map.[/quote]

This is quite the read on Bachmann

[url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-06-14/michele-bachmanns-unrivaled-extremism-gay-rights-to-religion/?cid=bsa:mostpopular1]Michele Bachmann's Unrivaled Extremism: Gay Rights to Religion - The Daily Beast[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;807195]This is quite the read on Bachmann

[url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-06-14/michele-bachmanns-unrivaled-extremism-gay-rights-to-religion/?cid=bsa:mostpopular1]Michele Bachmann's Unrivaled Extremism: Gay Rights to Religion - The Daily Beast[/url][/quote]

Wow. She isn't crazy, she just went to Oral Roberts University.

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This campaign can't last much longer...can it?

[url=http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/newt-gingrichs-campaign-finance-team-quits.html]Newt Gingrich’s Campaign Finance Team Quits - The Note[/url]