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[quote=SmootSmack;807835]No.

We're almost there fellas. Free Agency is right around the corner. It's like March in July![/quote]

Man, I hope you are right about that!!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;807828]Miami did use the Franchise Tag on him. Now, we don't know that it will still apply, but I think that is an indication that Miami isn't letting him go without a fight.

[url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-02-24/dolphins-use-franchise-tag-on-nt-soliai]Dolphins use franchise tag on NT Soliai - NFL - Sporting News[/url][/quote]

I thought they had tendered him since the league was still under 2010 rules...but yeah from this article it seems that they used the franchise tag. Ugh. Maybe we can get Franklin?

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[quote=SmootSmack;807835]No.

We're almost there fellas. Free Agency is right around the corner. It's like March in July![/quote]

Glad to hear you're confident about it. I was thinking that maybe the reports on this snowballed into this unofficial consensus that a deal was close to done, but in reality it might not be [I]that[/I] close. In fairness, I've read that mid-july is realistic and anything could still happen.

With all the reporting now giving hope to the fans, it will be a major pr issue if this falls through. Guess that's one more reason that both sides need to get a deal.

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[quote=freddyg12;807841]Glad to hear you're confident about it. I was thinking that maybe the reports on this snowballed into this unofficial consensus that a deal was close to done, but in reality it might not be [I]that[/I] close. In fairness, I've read that mid-july is realistic and anything could still happen.

With all the reporting now giving hope to the fans, it will be a major pr issue if this falls through. Guess that's one more reason that both sides need to get a deal.[/quote]

Mid July is realistic for free agency. For all intents and purposes, from all I've heard the deal is just about agreed upon (and I realize "just about" is as dangerous a term as "he has potential"), but it may take 2-3 weeks to make that a formal CBA.

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[quote=SmootSmack;807835]No.

We're almost there fellas. Free Agency is right around the corner. It's like March in July![/quote]

:towel: :grouphug: :woot:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;807831]Does anyone think that a ruling from Doty (on the TV deals) or from 8th District CoA would derail the process that is happening now? I am just curious because clearly either of those could happen at any point now. Do the negotiations have enough steam to get over one side or the other being handed an unexpected or major victory, such as the DCoA siding with the players or Doty awarding an incredibly small amount?[/quote]

Thats why there is a mediator, and why the 8th Circuit has said they would hold off ruling as long as progress is being made.

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Yeah I think as long as talks are progressing, there won't be a ruling. That is the last resort and nobody wants to see that happen.

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Given that the NFL won't lift the lockout until an actual CBA is finalized, and even an agreement in principle is still weeks away (and a CBA will take several More weeks or even months and then the whole legal process starts, then if the CBA is approved there's weeks of free agency and training camp) i just don't see how games won't be missed.

The players gave up some money- the owners should return hat good faith and lift the lockout, or atleast allow free agency to start, as soon as an agreement in principle is reached. Perhaps both sides can agree to follow 2010 fa rules until the agreement is done

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[quote=Giantone;807817]Wrong, you make an awful big assumption here.[/quote]

Have you not seen the stats of how much time is spent during the workday on non-work related activities?

[quote]For many American workers today, time's a wastin' - literally. According to a new survey by America Online and Salary.com, the average worker admits to frittering away 2.09 hours per 8 hour workday, not including lunch and scheduled break time. As a matter of practice, companies assume a certain amount of wasted time when determining employee pay. However, the America Online / Salary.com survey indicates that employees are wasting about twice as much time as their employers expect. Salary.com calculated that employers spend $759 billion per year on salaries for which real work was expected, but not actually performed.[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;807957]Have you not seen the stats of how much time is spent during the workday on non-work related activities?[/quote]


Oh you mean the stats from that survey payed for by "big business" oh please !Myself and thousands others like me are on standards from the time we get to work to the time we leave so don't throw some BS out there and think it applies to all.America on Line....(AOL) really???

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;807956]Given that the NFL won't lift the lockout until an actual CBA is finalized, and even an agreement in principle is still weeks away (and a CBA will take several More weeks or even months and then the whole legal process starts, then if the CBA is approved there's weeks of free agency and training camp) i just don't see how games won't be missed.

The players gave up some money- the owners should return hat good faith and lift the lockout, or atleast allow free agency to start, as soon as an agreement in principle is reached. Perhaps both sides can agree to follow 2010 fa rules until the agreement is done[/quote]

An agreement in principle is maybe a week or two away at best, after that it should take maybe another 2 weeks to finalize and formalize it (not sure what you mean by the whole legal process starts then), and there wouldn't be a full training camp and pre-season. They aren't going to finalize a deal in early August let's say and then have a full off-season. They'll just abbreviate it in order to get to the start of the season in time.

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[quote=Giantone;807960]Oh you mean the stats from that survey payed for by "big business" oh please !Myself and thousands others like me are on standards from the time we get to work to the time we leave so don't throw some BS out there and think it applies to all.[/quote]

I never said it applied to all. I made a point to say that there were exceptions. Sorry for striking a nerve especially when I said that. However I to know enough people to draw a reasonable conclusion on top of the "Big business" survey that there are many people in this country that are basically hour hogs. They will sit in the office for hours on end because it's easier to quantify time spent in the office then the actual amount of work completed.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;807964]I never said it applied to all. I made a point to say that there were exceptions. Sorry for striking a nerve especially when I said that. However I to know enough people to draw a reasonable conclusion on top of the "Big business" survey that there are many people in this country that are basically hour hogs. They will sit in the office for hours on end because it's easier to quantify time spent then the actual amount of work completed.[/quote]
To the extent that you think it does I disagree but I will admit it goes on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;807961]An agreement in principle is maybe a week or two away at best, after that it should take maybe another 2 weeks to finalize and formalize it (not sure what you mean by the whole legal process starts then), and there wouldn't be a full training camp and pre-season. They aren't going to finalize a deal in early August let's say and then have a full off-season. They'll just abbreviate it in order to get to the start of the season in time.[/quote]

I would presume once they have an agreement in principle the lockout will be lifted while the lawyers type up the paperwork which everyone presumes will take the second two weeks. At worst case scenario possibly 6 weeks to get everything put to paper and signed. More knowledgable people have said they suspect the lockout to be lifted in about 2 to 4 weeks for practice and training and the regular schedule to kick off as expected minus maybe 2 preseason games.

Thats unless there is a hickup in this whole process and a major step back occurs.

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[quote=Giantone;807966]To the extent that you think it does I disagree but I will admit it goes on.[/quote]

Sorry I snapped. I personally don't have much experience with it but I've had friends that work at the Big 4 Accounting firms that complain about being stuck in the office all day while their boss basically sits there doing nothing and anyone that leaves on time is frowned upon. I just wish that as a country we would emphasize more work smarter not harder or in this case longer.

So yeah NFL Lockout. It sucks. Bunch of greedy bastards in ivory tower.

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[quote=SmootSmack;807961]An agreement in principle is maybe a week or two away at best, after that it should take maybe another 2 weeks to finalize and formalize it (not sure what you mean by the whole legal process starts then), and there wouldn't be a full training camp and pre-season. They aren't going to finalize a deal in early August let's say and then have a full off-season. They'll just abbreviate it in order to get to the start of the season in time.[/quote]

Agreed, I heard yesterday on NFL radio that it's likely they've already hashed out a soft timeline for when free agency will start and for when training camps will open. At this point it's very unlikely any games will be missed including pre-season.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;807970]Sorry I snapped. I personally don't have much experience with it but I've had friends that work at the Big 4 Accounting firms that complain about being stuck in the office all day while their boss basically sits there doing nothing and anyone that leaves on time is frowned upon. I just wish that as a country we would emphasize more work smarter not harder or in this case longer.

So yeah NFL Lockout. It sucks. Bunch of greedy bastards in ivory tower.[/quote]

Don't feel bad I knew where you were coming from. Everyone I know who works for the Federal Gov. all have nice stories about how there is a lot of wasted money due to fellow workers doing nothing but surfing the net all day. People making almost 6 figures.

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[quote=SmootSmack;807961]An agreement in principle is maybe a week or two away at best, after that it should take maybe another 2 weeks to finalize and formalize it (not sure what you mean by the whole legal process starts then), and there wouldn't be a full training camp and pre-season. They aren't going to finalize a deal in early August let's say and then have a full off-season. They'll just abbreviate it in order to get to the start of the season in time.[/quote]

It was my understanding that, due to the Nflpa's suit against the NFL, once a CBA is reached, the court must examine it and give all plaintiffs (every single NFL player) ample time to review the CBA and challenge any particular point of the deal they don't like. Essentially, because of the lawsuit, there is a legal process that must play out and it's going to take at least a couple of weeks-and that's assuming no players challenge the deal. If some bonehead player decided to claim his interests were not represented by the Nflpa, things would get messy.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;808000]It was my understanding that, due to the Nflpa's suit against the NFL, once a CBA is reached, the court must examine it and give all plaintiffs (every single NFL player) ample time to review the CBA and challenge any particular point of the deal they don't like. Essentially, because of the lawsuit, there is a legal process that must play out and it's going to take at least a couple of weeks-and that's assuming no players challenge the deal. If some bonehead player decided to claim his interests were not represented by the Nflpa, things would get messy.[/quote]

Well it depends on how the agreement is reached. Meaning if it's seen as a settlement of the lawsuit the federal court would have to approve the deal, though it's not expected that would take very long
Or it could be a labor agreement and the players would drop their lawsuit.

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[quote=SBXVII;807985]Don't feel bad I knew where you were coming from. Everyone I know who works for the Federal Gov. all have nice stories about how there is a lot of wasted money due to fellow workers doing nothing but surfing the net all day. People making almost 6 figures.[/quote]

Lol, yeah it just gets to me when I call my friends who are Accountants and Engineers and they tell me they can't leave work yet because it'll look bad even though they and everyone else finished all their work for the day.

Funny thing with government though is they have to pay people well enough so they're willing to put up with the boredom and snails pace of buerocracy.

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[quote=SBXVII;807985]Don't feel bad I knew where you were coming from. Everyone I know who works for the Federal Gov. all have nice stories about how there is a lot of wasted money due to fellow workers doing nothing but surfing the net all day. People making almost 6 figures.[/quote]
Didn't say it didn't go on ,just don't assume everyone does it.

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Out of curiosity, in light of recent updates with the negotiations, has anyone's opinion of DeMaurice Smith changed?

Also, do you think he'll be re-elected?

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[quote=SmootSmack;808236]Out of curiosity, in light of recent updates with the negotiations, has anyone's opinion of DeMaurice Smith changed?

Also, do you think he'll be re-elected?[/quote]

that's a good & tough question. He has certainly positioned himself well in the background until yesterday, and that has been good pr for the players IMO. I don't know enough of what's transpired, time will tell obviously, as we'll be able to see how the deal works in reality years from now, but for the time being he's looking pretty good as it appears the players are on board for a new deal.

I'd bet he'd be re-elected.

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[quote=SmootSmack;808236]Out of curiosity, in light of recent updates with the negotiations, has anyone's opinion of DeMaurice Smith changed?

Also, [B]do you think he'll be re-elected[/B]?[/quote]

I think so. Things may have started out a little rough (for both sides), but it takes time to develop trust and a good working relationship.

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Did I read correctly that if this deal goes through that all 4th, 5th, and 6th year players would become unrestricted free agents?

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[quote=firstdown;808253]Did I read correctly that if this deal goes through that all 4th, 5th, and 6th year players would become unrestricted free agents?[/quote]

According to Schefter, yes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;808254]According to Schefter, yes.[/quote]

Why do they say it like that. "All 4th, 5th, and 6th year playes." Like "alright 4th and 6th year players you guys get to be UFA's. 5th year players, sorry but the owners are opposed to odd numbers."

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[quote=firstdown;808253]Did I read correctly that if this deal goes through that all 4th, 5th, and 6th year players would become unrestricted free agents?[/quote]

Their contracts would have to be expired, a player who is in the 4th year of a 5 year contract would not be an UFA.. And we don't know if there would be RFA or FT's available to the teams.

Still a lot left unsaid.

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Yes all unsigned 4-6 year players would be UFAs. Any tenders would be made moot outside of any FT designation or such...unless the FT gets changed considerably. This is all speculation though at this point since there are likely details that we and/or the media don't know about yet.

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[quote=FRPLG;808258]Yes all unsigned 4-6 year players would be UFAs. Any tenders would be made moot outside of any FT designation or such...unless the FT gets changed considerably. This is all speculation though at this point since there are likely details that we and/or the media don't know about yet.[/quote]

Ok, I now see the unsigned players. I was thinking all players in year 4-6 would become free agents. That would have been crazy.

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^ It will still be a pretty crazy large free agent class.

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[quote=SmootSmack;808236]Out of curiosity, in light of recent updates with the negotiations, has anyone's opinion of DeMaurice Smith changed?

Also, do you think he'll be re-elected?[/quote]

My opinion hasn't changed at all. He is far too confrontational. I give him no credit for the recent progress. Given the timing of everything, it would seem smith had no choice but to soften his stance. The players wanted a deal and he finally was forced to represent Thier interests and not just his own. That said, if the players like the deal that gets done, hell be re-elected.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;808314]My opinion hasn't changed at all. He is far too confrontational. I give him no credit for the recent progress. Given the timing of everything, it would seem smith had no choice but to soften his stance. The players wanted a deal and he finally was forced to represent Their interests and not just his own. That said, if the players like the deal that gets done, hell be re-elected.[/quote]

this is how I feel as well.

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"The revenue they’re fighting over is actually other people’s money."

This tells us something. What it tells us is that the leagues do not care about the average fan. They do not care about your condition, your preferences, your wishes, or your hardships. They care about mercilessly squeezing you, to offset their own profligacy, and they take it for granted that you will sacrifice the family vacation in order to help with the gas bills for their yachts. Eighteen NFL teams raised ticket prices, despite the lockout.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/labor-strife-in-overpriced-sports-leagues-risks-ire-of-fans/2011/06/27/AGxwSAoH_story.html]Labor strife in overpriced sports leagues risks ire of fans - The Washington Post[/url]

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