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1. NNAMDI ASOMUGHA
2. TYSON CLABO
3. SIDNEY RICE
4. DEANGELO WILLIAMS

3 of 4 let's pull the trigger.

Imagine if we had even 3 or all 4... a much better squad wed be my friends.

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[quote=Skins4L;812349]1. NNAMDI ASOMUGHA
2. TYSON CLABO
3. SIDNEY RICE
4. DEANGELO WILLIAMS

3 of 4 let's pull the trigger.

Imagine if we had even 3 or all 4... a much better squad wed be my friends.[/quote]I don't see Williams making this team any better. But yeah, Asomugha, Clabo, and Rice would be one hell of a free agent haul.

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[quote=Skins4L;812349]1. NNAMDI ASOMUGHA
2. TYSON CLABO
3. SIDNEY RICE
4. DEANGELO WILLIAMS

3 of 4 let's pull the trigger.

Imagine if we had even 3 or all 4... a much better squad wed be my friends.[/quote]

Dont suggest signing RB FA's on this forum or you'll get your eyes scratched out.
:hitfan:

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[quote=Alvin Walton;812351]Dont suggest signing RB FA's on this forum or you'll get your eyes scratched out.
:hitfan:[/quote]

I won't scratch out anyone's eyes. I like Deangelo Williams.

However, we have 4 young ballcarriers, including two fresh sets of legs right out of college. With this in mind, why would we sign any FA's?

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I'd say rice is the only one out of that list to have a legit chance of being here.. NNamdi wants to play for a contender

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[quote=Lotus;812353]I won't scratch out anyone's eyes. I like Deangelo Williams.

However, we have 4 young ballcarriers, including two fresh sets of legs right out of college. With this in mind, why would we sign any FA's?[/quote]

How is he any different than Torain? Both injury prone. I say no to him. And that's final.

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we need a CB, not sure blowing all our money on nm is the way to go. get ike taylor or JJ and call it good.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6783433/nnamdi-asomugha-headlines-2011-free-agent-class]Nnamdi Asomugha headlines 2011 free-agent class - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=That Guy;812374]we need a CB, not sure blowing all our money on nm is the way to go. get ike taylor or JJ and call it good.[/quote]


I'd say get J.J, S. Rice and Cullen Jenkins for sure

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[quote=That Guy;812374][B]we need a CB, not sure blowing all our money on nm is the way to go[/B]. get ike taylor or JJ and call it good.[/quote]

Sage Wisdom..........

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Evan Silva & Jason LaCanfora reporting that Skins could be interested in trading for Kyle Orton. Anyone else hear anything about this?

Would Orton be welcome as our QB? Would he get us to the Super Bowl?

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[quote=theJBexperience;812396]Evan Silva & Jason LaCanfora reporting that Skins could be interested in trading for Kyle Orton. Anyone else hear anything about this?

Would Orton be welcome as our QB? Would he get us to the Super Bowl?[/quote]

skinsfaninok and I have only been talking about Orton, well, since forever. I really hope we could make that move, I think it would really help us a lot. I would like to hear that from someone other than J La though.

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[quote=theJBexperience;812396]Evan Silva & Jason LaCanfora reporting that Skins could be interested in trading for Kyle Orton. Anyone else hear anything about this?

Would Orton be welcome as our QB? Would he get us to the Super Bowl?[/quote]

When was the last time JLC got anything right about the Redskins.

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[quote=Ruhskins;812399]When was the last time JLC got anything right about the Redskins.[/quote]
And silva is a hack that rides JLC

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[quote=Lotus;812353]I won't scratch out anyone's eyes. I like Deangelo Williams.

However, we have 4 young ballcarriers, including two fresh sets of legs right out of college. With this in mind, why would we sign any FA's?[/quote]

I know we wouldn't sign him he's just out there and in my eyes such an explosive runner.
We have two mediocre AT BEST, one solid but injury prone, and one rookie yet to even take a pro carry. Someone explosive would be nice, that's all.

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Reportedly Orton is choice #1 for the Dolphins, but right now they won't give up more than a 4th (and maybe a conditional pick or player) for him and Denver won't take less than a 2nd...so I suppose they could compromise and send him to Miami for a 3rd

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Haynesworth for Orton. Win-win for both teams.

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[quote=Lotus;812416]Haynesworth for Orton. Win-win for both teams.[/quote]

No it isn't. I'd rather have Beck/Grossman than Orton.

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Are you serious?? Look at the numbers

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[quote=SkinzWin;812397]skinsfaninok and I have only been talking about Orton, well, since forever. I really hope we could make that move, I think it would really help us a lot. I would like to hear that from someone other than J La though.[/quote]

Yes we have my man! I'd take orton over Any of the FA Qbs

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Gak....no picks for Orton.
He's not a long term answer.

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If we could move Mcnabb for a 4th or 5th, I would definitely look into trading for Orton. Haynesworth and the 4th or 5th we attained for McNabb. He just turned 28, and with the reports putting Santnio Holmes in Washington, Its best we have a QB that can get the ball down the field and produce. Orton is the best bet in my eyes to making this squad better in the short term, and he sure isn't a bad long term prospect either. Somehow patch up the OLine, which I think we will with the reemergence of J. Brown and the replacment of Rabach, not to mention one additional season getting used to the zone blocking scheme, and I definitely wouldnt mind seeing Kyle Orton slinging the ball to Holmes, Moss, Hankerson and Cooley in the B&G. Plus, he wont command a really high salary.

Plus we all know the ties Shanny has with Elway. Him keeping quiet on the issue and putting his "faith" in Beck might just be the smokescreen to keeping the price on Orton low, and to shield our interest in him.

Orton is the best choice at QB for this team. Lets get it done.

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[quote=NC_Skins;812418]No it isn't. I'd rather have Beck/Grossman than Orton.[/quote]

You're tripping rainbows if you think that man. That's just crazy talk. I just hit the mute button on you until the first game of the preseason. Sorry...

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[quote=chewman;812421]Are you serious?? Look at the numbers[/quote]

[quote=SkinzWin;812445]You're tripping rainbows if you think that man. That's just crazy talk. I just hit the mute button on you until the first game of the preseason. Sorry...[/quote]


You do realize Orton was BENCHED for TIM TEBOW??? TIM FREAKING TEBOW!!! He also was benched in favor or Rex Grossman back when he was on the Bears.


Yeah, I'll take Rex/Beck over Orton.

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Orton was injured and they went with Tebow the rest of the way to evaluate him. It's not like he was benched due to performance reasons.

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After the McNabb trade fiasco which was an absolute fail, I dont think I want Shanny sending more draft picks for Orton. Hanyesworth I would be more willing to give for Orton, but would Orton be a good fit? I just dont think so. Is Orton better than Rex/Beck, yes.

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[quote=Mattyk;812450]Orton was injured and they went with Tebow the rest of the way to evaluate him. It's not like he was benched due to performance reasons.[/quote]


It doesn't matter. I still would not waste draft picks just to get Orton. If he was a FA, then that might be a different story. As it is, hell no.


edit: Would he even be a good QB in this system?

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[quote=NC_Skins;812454]It doesn't matter. I still would not waste draft picks just to get Orton. If he was a FA, then that might be a different story. As it is, hell no.[/quote]

lol well it matters if that's your reasoning behind not wanting him as you just stated.

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[quote=Mattyk;812456]lol well it matters if that's your reasoning behind not wanting him as you just stated.[/quote]

I was merely pointing out he got benched. Don't care about the reasons. I'm willing to bet you good money that both Beck and Grossman would outperform Orton in this offense this next year. You have 2 QBs that have experience with the system, and to bring in a QB that didn't know it? We saw how that worked with McNabb. Also, is Orton really a fit for this type of offense?

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[quote=NC_Skins;812459]I was merely pointing out he got benched. Don't care about the reasons. I'm willing to bet you good money that both Beck and Grossman would outperform Orton in this offense this next year. You have 2 QBs that have experience with the system, and to bring in a QB that didn't know it? We saw how that worked with McNabb. Also, is Orton really a fit for this type of offense?[/quote]

Orton's experience in the system is of course a concern.

But if you look at Orton's numbers over the last two seasons, he has done remarkably well. He has a TD/INT ratio of 2:1, for example.

You are being too hard on poor Orton. Besides, Denver is DT hungry and likely would love to pick up Haynesworth.

Haynesworth for Orton.

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[quote=NC_Skins;812448]You do realize Orton was BENCHED for TIM TEBOW??? TIM FREAKING TEBOW!!! He also was benched in favor or Rex Grossman back when he was on the Bears.


Yeah, I'll take Rex/Beck over Orton.[/quote]

1. But the Broncos were stupid enough to draft him that high, they have to make him the starting quarterback to they will catch a sh!t storm.

2. Kyle was benched because he was 22 years old, new to the NFL and still learning. Rex had already been in the league.

3. Stats - Kyle Orton - Age 28
SEASON - TEAM - GP -- CMP --- ATT --- CMP% ----- YDS ---- AVG --- TD - LNG - INT - FUM -- RAT
2005 ------ CHI -- 15 -- 190 --- 368 ----- 51.6 ----- 1,869 --- 5.08 ---- 9 -- 54 --- 13 --- 6 ---- 59.7

2007 ----- CHI --- 3 --- 43 ----- 80 ----- 53.8 ------- 478 ---- 5.98 ---- 3 -- 55 ---- 2 --- 1 ---- 73.9

2008 ----- CHI -- 15 -- 272 --- 465 ----- 58.5 ------ 2,972 --- 6.39 --- 18 - 65 ---- 12 -- 3 ---- 79.6

2009 ----- DEN -- 16 - 336 --- 541 ------ 62.1 ----- 3,802 --- 7.03 --- 21 - 87 --- 12 --- 3 ---- 86.8

2010 ----- DEN -- 13 - 293 --- 498 ----- 58.8 ------ 3,653 --- 7.34 --- 20 - 71 ---- 9 ---- 1 ---- 87.5

[B]Career ---------- 62 - 1134 - 1,952 ---- 58.1 ----- 12,774 --- 6.54 -- 71 - 87 --- 48 --- 14 -- 79.6[/B]


Rex Grossman - Age 30
SEASON - TEAM - GP -- CMP --- ATT --- CMP% ----- YDS ---- AVG --- TD - LNG - INT - FUM -- RAT
2003 ------ CHI -- 3 ---- 38 ----- 72 ----- 52.8 ------- 437 ---- 6.07 ---- 2 -- 59 ---- 1 --- 1 ---- 74.8

2004 ------ CHI -- 3 ---- 47 ----- 84 ----- 56.0 ------- 607 ---- 7.23 ---- 1 -- 40 ---- 3 --- 2 ---- 67.9

2005 ------ CHI -- 2 ---- 20 ----- 39 ----- 51.3 ------- 259 ---- 6.64 ---- 1 -- 54 ---- 2 --- 0 ---- 59.7

2006 ------ CHI - 16 --- 262 ---- 480 ---- 54.6 ----- 3,193 --- 6.65 ---- 23 - 62 --- 20 --- 5 ---- 73.9

2007 ------ CHI -- 8 --- 122 ---- 225 ---- 54.2 ----- 1,411 --- 6.27 ---- 4 -- 59 ---- 7 --- 4 ---- 66.4

2008 ------ CHI -- 4 --- 32 ----- 62 ----- 51.6 ------- 257 ---- 4.15 ---- 2 -- 29 ---- 2 --- 0 ---- 59.7

2009 ------ HOU - 1 ----- 3 ------ 9 ----- 33.3 -------- 33 ---- 3.67 ---- 0 -- 21 ---- 1 --- 0 ---- 5.6

2010 ------ WSH - 4 ---- 74----- 133 ---- 55.6 ------- 884 --- 6.65 ---- 7 - 64 ---- 4 ---- 4 ---- 81.2

[B]Career ----------- 41 --- 598 -- 1,104 --- 54.2 ------- 7,081 --- 6.41 --- 40 -- 64 -- 40 -- 16 ---- 70.9[/B]




Man, guess I was wrong, Grossman is just so much better than Orton. Mute.

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[quote=Lotus;812462]Orton's experience in the system is of course a concern.

But if you look at Orton's numbers over the last two seasons, he has done remarkably well. He has a TD/INT ratio of 2:1, for example.

You are being too hard on poor Orton. Besides, Denver is DT hungry and likely would love to pick up Haynesworth.

Haynesworth for Orton.[/quote]


I very well may be hard on Orton, but after the shit I've saw this past year. Bringing in a new QB to learn the system AND waste draft picks? Absolutely not. Again, if he's a FA, fine.

Also, there is no way in hell they'll trade straight up. They want at least a 2nd rounder for Orton so the person being traded would have to have the greater or equal value. We'd be lucky to get a pack of nabs and a molded sandwich for Haynesworth at this point.

Also, after this last year, no more trading for other QBs. Let's draft/groom our own.

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[quote=NC_Skins;812459]I was merely pointing out he got benched. Don't care about the reasons. I'm willing to bet you good money that both Beck and Grossman would outperform Orton in this offense this next year. You have 2 QBs that have experience with the system, and to bring in a QB that didn't know it? We saw how that worked with McNabb. Also, is Orton really a fit for this type of offense?[/quote]

Ok, well you seemed to be insinuating he was benched for performance reasons, I was just clearing that up. Did you see the numbers he was putting up last year in an offense that basically had no running game?

I really don't see why he wouldn't fit in this offense. He's a perfect kind of guy for a WCO. Accurate, good short to mid range passer, smart guy, doesn't turn the ball over, works hard on and off the field. Why the heck not? And he's a quality locker room guy who's respected by his teammates.

For the long run I'd feel better about our QB situation with Orton vs. what we're looking at right now. He's 28 and ready for his prime years.

Grossman definitely isn't a long term answer and Beck is still a major question mark.

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[quote=theJBexperience;812396]Evan Silva & Jason LaCanfora reporting that Skins could be interested in trading for Kyle Orton. Anyone else hear anything about this?

Would Orton be welcome as our QB? Would he get us to the Super Bowl?[/quote]

I would welcome Kyle Orton. He did great in Denver with an almost non-existent running game. Bring in Santonio and re-sign Moss our offense will be golden (in theory) That's because our o-line is still suspect.

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[quote=SkinzWin;812463]1. But the Broncos were stupid enough to draft him that high, they have to make him the starting quarterback to they will catch a sh!t storm.

2. Kyle was benched because he was 22 years old, new to the NFL and still learning. Rex had already been in the league.

Man, guess I was wrong, Grossman is just so much better than Orton. Mute.[/quote]


I can post you McNabb's numbers compared to both of them and would you want McNabb in this offense? Not sure why you even posted the numbers, I never said statistically that Orton wasn't a better QB. In OUR offense, I'd rather have Rex/Beck (who knows the system) than to waste draft picks for yet another QB who'll have to come in and learn the system and potentially be a flop.


Insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting different results.

How about this. We KEEP our draft picks, roll with Rex/Beck and draft and groom our own QB. You know, most good teams do that.

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[quote=Mattyk;812466]For the long run I'd feel better about our QB situation with Orton vs. what we're looking at right now. He's 28 and ready for his prime years.

Grossman definitely isn't a long term answer and Beck is still a major question mark.[/quote]

I'm absolutely 100% against any trade giving up a pick higher than a 4th rounder. I've seen that story too many times the past decade to know how it ends. It never ends well with us. Never.

If he were on the open market, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Ask yourself this, why is it that they are getting rid of Orton if he's that good? I know you can't go the Tebow route because there was much speculation that they were drafting a QB this past draft. You honestly think Elway believes Tebow is their QB of the future? If he thought that Orton was the man, don't you think he'd keep him?

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[quote=NC_Skins;812465]I very well may be hard on Orton, but after the shit I've saw this past year. Bringing in a new QB to learn the system AND waste draft picks? Absolutely not. Again, if he's a FA, fine.

Also, there is no way in hell they'll trade straight up. They want at least a 2nd rounder for Orton so the person being traded would have to have the greater or equal value. We'd be lucky to get a pack of nabs and a molded sandwich for Haynesworth at this point.

Also, after this last year, no more trading for other QBs. Let's draft/groom our own.[/quote]

There are reasons why Haynesworth is the $41 mil. man. His troubles here came from dissatisfaction with the 3-4 (which Denver no longer runs), not from performance. Don't underrate AH's value. The fact that Denver is desperate for DT's makes his value even greater.

Haynesworth for Orton.

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[quote=NC_Skins;812471]I'm absolutely 100% against any trade giving up a pick higher than a 4th rounder. I've seen that story too many times the past decade to know how it ends. It never ends well with us. Never.

If he were on the open market, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Ask yourself this, why is it that they are getting rid of Orton if he's that good? I know you can't go the Tebow route because there was much speculation that they were drafting a QB this past draft. You honestly think Elway believes Tebow is their QB of the future? If he thought that Orton was the man, don't you think he'd keep him?[/quote]

The pre-draft speculation of them taking a QB was nonsense. I do think it's very possible they are convinced Tebow is their guy. Why is that hard to believe? If they thought otherwise why would they shop Orton?

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[quote=Lotus;812474]

Haynesworth for Orton.[/quote]

It almost makes too much sense. Orton really is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL.

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AH in Denver would actually be pretty funny... sucking on that thin air. I'd love to see us get something for him, I'm not convinced Fox wants to take on that project though.