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[quote=GTripp0012;819262]Well, Paintrain, you win this round. In the sense at least that some of my least favorite Redskins of all time are still on the team.

At least we'll go five and eleven this year with a team of "good guys", completely free of those divas that contribute to teams winning games.[/quote]

Sadly my friend, we both lose since neither your least nor my least favorite players have led us to much success.

I wouldn't mind a couple of talented divas, as long as their talent and production match their egos. BTW, 8-8 or bust this year.

Re: Carlos Rogers Drops His Heart in San Francisco
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;819213]Rogers was picked 9th
C.Bailey was picked 7th

Los wasn't even close to the player CB is/was.. I'd consider him a bust[/quote]

Bailey I believe was a Casserly pick and Vinny picked Rogers, which explains passing on Aaron Rodgers and picking Carlos at #9.

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Wow! One year for $4 million. He has a lot to prove this year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;819462]Bailey I believe was a Casserly pick and Vinny picked Rogers, which explains passing on Aaron Rodgers and picking Carlos at #9.[/quote]

Those were more Gibb picks. See the difference is Vinny listened to Gibbs and served as a yes man unlike Beathard who would challenge Gibbs. So when Gibbs panicked and asked Vinny to get a running back in 06 Vinny called up Atlanta and offered a third for TJ Ducket. When Gibbs really wanted Brunell, rather then advise Gibbs to wait for him to be released or offer a late late second day pick Vinny helped make a deal for a third round pick.

Then when Gibbs got fired Vinny got total control of football operations and didn't respect Zorn enough to listen to requests, that or Zorn was so in over his head he didn't have requests to make.

As for 05. Gibbs wanted Rogers and Campbell, Vinny just went along with the coaches request.

Thats why I suspect Bruce is a great match for Shanny. Bruce is willing to say no or wait when he has to.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819469]Thats why I suspect Bruce is a great match for Shanny. Bruce is willing to say no or wait when he has to.[/quote]

I would be ok with MS leaving, not that I think he should. But if BA goes away I will cry. I like what we are doing now and that there is a plan even if it seems to be a year or two away from completion.

[QUOTE=IRISHSKIN24;819458]awesome thread title by the way[/QUOTE]

Thank you

Re: Carlos Rogers Drops His Heart in San Francisco
 

He was a [B][U]LITTLE[/U][/B] above-average cornerback, who never took advantage of being in the position of making a big play. And let's face it, he was beaten on his fair share of plays (big and small). He also spoke badly about the redskins and D.C. even while he was with the redskins. And considering I don't remember him trash-talking to any opposing teams -- that's not being confident, that's just being an ass.

And considering just this without the comparisons to other players -- to those that wanted him back: why?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819469]

Then when Gibbs got fired Vinny got total control of football operations and didn't respect Zorn enough to listen to requests, that or Zorn was so in over his head he didn't have requests to make. [/quote]

When was Gibbs fired? You know something we don't? Please!

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819469]Those were more Gibb picks. See the difference is Vinny listened to Gibbs and served as a yes man unlike Beathard who would challenge Gibbs. So when Gibbs panicked and asked Vinny to get a running back in 06 Vinny called up Atlanta and offered a third for TJ Ducket. When Gibbs really wanted Brunell, rather then advise Gibbs to wait for him to be released or offer a late late second day pick Vinny helped make a deal for a third round pick.

Then when Gibbs got fired Vinny got total control of football operations and didn't respect Zorn enough to listen to requests, that or Zorn was so in over his head he didn't have requests to make.

As for 05. Gibbs wanted Rogers and Campbell, Vinny just went along with the coaches request.

Thats why I suspect Bruce is a great match for Shanny. Bruce is willing to say no or wait when he has to.[/quote]
Please don't get me started on the damage that Joe 2.0 did to our football operations. We are just now getting out of the crater the decisions of that era created. I was somewhat vilified years ago when I said that Joe 2.0 set the franchise back at least 5 years but sadly I was proven right. Rogers is a shining example of such.

Just a quick note of correction though, Gibbs retired-was not fired.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;819490]When was Gibbs fired? You know something we don't? Please![/quote]

Resigned, fired? Same thing right? Lol, yeah that was a mistake on my part. However just replace fired with step down and the message is still the same. Gibbs basically had Vinny putting together the deals for the players Gibbs wanted and the deals Vinny put together were usually pretty bad. Had Vinny done his job he would have advised more patience or in some cases said no all together.

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Ole stone hands :)

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I'm the last post on the previous page again? [URL="http://youtu.be/4WuLnGHTgNw"]Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.[/URL]

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Somebody please close this thread.
Enough of bashing a former Redskin player.

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[quote=Defensewins;819535]Somebody please close this thread.
Enough of bashing a former Redskin player.[/quote]

We'd probably have to close every other thread then

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Not really comfortable with the last few posts. Not being a Nancy mods but the 'w' substitute doesn't really fly..

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Posts removed Pain

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[quote=SmootSmack;819560]Posts removed Pain[/quote]

Thats bull. What about my post count. WHO CAN MAKE A POST? I CAN! WHO CAN MAKE A POST? I CAN!

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[quote=Defensewins;819535]Somebody please close this thread.
Enough of [B]bashing a former Redskin player[/B].[/quote]

Bashing a former Redskins player on another team doesn't bother me as much as the bashing of a current Redskins player.

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[quote=Defensewins;819535]Somebody please close this thread.
Enough of bashing a former Redskin player.[/quote]

Sonny Jurgenson sux. Bring back Norm Snead!

Re: Carlos Rogers Drops His Heart in San Francisco
 

[quote=Mattyk;819154]Certainly not has good as he thinks. The market spoke, and he's in SF on a one year deal. Nuff said.[/quote]


Yeah but we are down one vet CB. CB better be next year's draft focus.

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[quote=Lotus;819566]Sonny Jurgenson sux. Bring back Norm Snead![/quote]

Why is no one talking about Sam Shade and Marco Coleman?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;819569]Yeah but we are down one vet CB. CB better be next year's draft focus.[/quote]

How are we down one? We had two up for FA this year. Kept one. Lost one and added another

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well, the one year deals are just a sign that the money's dried up... i've seen a TON of one year deals today, and i'm guessing those guys will try again next year when the cap is higher and there's a smaller FA pool.

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Carlos was a respectable player for the Redskins Nation and thankfully we picked him over Pacman Jones or was it the Titans picking Pacman before we picked Carlos. Whatever the case maybe thanks LOS for wearing the Burgandy/Gold bro GL except when you return with the 49ers on Nov 6, 2011.

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[quote=warriorzpath;819563]Bashing a former Redskins player on another team doesn't bother me [B]as much as the bashing of a current Redskins player[/B].[/quote]

Ah yes, the cafeteria fans that only like certain players and will go out of their to bash the ones they don't like. One thing is criticism, but this type of thing I don't understand.

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Ruhskins,

I would note that there is a fine line between blindly bashing and legitimate critiques. And each fan interprets that fine line is interpreted differently. I think fans (including myself) can be quick to rag on players, like Dhall cough cough, but fans are also very quick to silence any legit concerns.

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[quote=hooskins;819883]Ruhskins,

I would note that there is a fine line between blindly bashing and legitimate critiques. And each fan interprets that fine line is interpreted differently. I think fans (including myself) can be quick to rag on players, like Dhall cough cough, but fans are also very quick to silence any legit concerns.[/quote]

I don't mind critiques, heck if you see me here on gamedays I do my fair share of critiques (and that's a mild way of putting it). I just see some fans that when you read their posts, it almost sounds like they wish the player they are bashing would fail.

Re: Carlos Rogers Drops His Heart in San Francisco
 

Best of luck in San Fran. Hopefully he won't go all Walt Harris on our asses....

If he has the same issues there as here here's a game plan for playing San Fran: throw the ball at Carlos' numbers while Moss simultaneously dives at his feet to catch the dropped int. Will work wonders for our redzone woes!

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on a semi-unrelated note.... when Walt was on our team, on madden he was #28 and I would always change his number. there will only be one 28 here!!