[QUOTE=Landry44;829513]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/QUOTE]

This. I don't like him but he paid his debt to society. glad that he's taken advantage of his second opportunity.

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[quote=Landry44;829513]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/quote]

Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;829576]Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.[/QUOTE]

London Fletcher is a great guy and should be praised as such. That said Vick and Plax both did more than just get thier jobs back. They were able to reenter society and act as proper citizens, so far at least.

Both are paying taxes and contributing in a positive manner. I can't excuse Vick's cruelty or Plax's stupidity, but both could have had their lives take a much different direction after jail.

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[quote=Monkeydad;829576]Farmers kill animals to feed people...and not domesticated animals.

Vick tortured animals for the sole purpose of entertaining himself.


If you can't see the moral distinction between those two, I feel very sorry for you.

Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.[/quote]

Last time I checked cows, sheep, pigs and chickens are domesticated animals so farmers do kill domesticated animals. They arent pets but they are domesticated animals.

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[quote=Landry44;829513]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. [B]It really matter why or how they were killed.[/B][/quote]

Well, since everything eventually dies, it really doesn't matter how it happens does it?

Yes - how and why living things are killed does matter. Brutal torture of animals or humans is wrong.

[quote=Landry44;829513]The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/quote]

He has a right to move on with his life and no one is preventing him from doing so - hence the $100 Million. As I have said, merely "serving your time" is the beginning of redemption, not its end. I am slowly (very slowly) coming around to the belief that he may have actually changed. If he continues his good works and continues to say and do the right things after football goes away, I will believe it. Until then, the question will always remain (to me anyway) - Is he truly sorry? Or is he just saying the right things so he can keep playing ball? Having someone like Dungy in his corner counts a long way for me.

But, whatever, he plays for the Eagles so I don't need to justify or parse my hatred of him.

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[quote=over the mountain;829388]people are entitled to hate vick for what he did, regardless of whether he did his time or seems to have gotten his life back together. people have a right to have an opinion one way or the other.

i dont see how someone who hates vick for killing dogs means they value a dogs life more than a humans. i hate vick for what he did, id boo and curse him given the chance. i think vick did enough time in jail, the sentence was fair imo, doesnt mean i cant hate the guy for what he did. doesnt mean vick will care one iota for how some skins fan or anyone feels about him. besides, he knowingly gives girls herpes, not cool either.

im pretty sure i stopped posting on here for awhile in a vick discussion a year or so ago b/c of peoples reactions on this subject.[/quote]

Pretty much agree with most everything here.

The whole "valuing dogs over humans" argument is just BS. The value is reflected in the punishment. If Vick had done to humans what he had done to dogs, we would not be discussing his $100 Million contract. We would be discussing whether or not he should die.

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[quote=Monkeydad;829576]Yes, Vick served his time in jail...he should have because he was a criminal.

[B]He hasn't "turned his life around" because he's employed again...he simply went back to work after getting out of jail. Is Plaxico Burress a "great redemption story of a man who has re-made himself" too? What about Lawrence Phillips? Would he be a hero if he came back? Simply returning to his job is nothing to praise him for. [/B] Why don't we put some more attention on those who have stayed on the right side of the law, done good things without a judge telling them too and have been on the field instead of in jail? London Fletcher comes to mind.[/quote]

In fairness, Vick has done more than just "return to work". He has spoken on the topic, worked with the SPCA, sought advice from people like Tony Dungy. I'll give credit where credit is due - he certainly seems to be working towards redemption. I, as you, just don't think his "redemption" really been tested yet. It easy to "do the right thing" when the world is all rosy for you, let's see what happens Vick is no longer in the limelight.

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Ahhh yes if we could all just be like Tony Dungy. What if all athletes were like Kenny Powers??

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;829637]Ahhh yes if we could all just be like Tony Dungy. What if all athletes were like Kenny Powers??[/quote]

Let Kenny Powers Live

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[quote=Landry44;829513][B]Hunters shoot innocent animals that can't defend themselves just to hang them up as trophies[/B]. Farmers kill animals for financial gains. At the end of the day those animals are dead. It really matter why or how they were killed. The point is Mike Vick served his time and he has a right to move on with his life. You should try moving on with yours.[/quote]

All the hunters I know respect the animals they hunt and make sure the meat goes to good use. You do understand that there are other animals people can eat besides cows, chickens, and pigs. you don't have to get your meat from a market.They also donate the meat.

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Monday marked the beginning of firearm deer season in Pennsylvania and hunters have been out in full force.
The Game Commission estimates around 750,000 hunters were in the woods on the first day.
This year, many hunters will be sharing the wealth with local food banks.
The program is called “[URL="http://sharedeer.org/"][COLOR=#266ec4]Hunters Sharing the Harvest[/COLOR][/URL]” and it is the oldest and most successful program of its type in the U.S. Many hunters embrace the program and the opportunity to help the community.

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[quote=Chico23231;829638]Let Kenny Powers Live[/quote]


lkpl.... LKPL!

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[quote=Landry44;829267]He didn't kill a human. He killed some animals. There sane person that could compare the two. As far as I'm concern what he did farmers do every single day. What he did is no different than people shooting defenseless animals, stuffing them, and hanging them out on their walls for decoration. Where is your outrage about that? I suggest you, pet owners, and non pet owners get the f**k over it. The man has paid his debt to society. He has turn his life around. Let him live in peace.[/quote]

Judging by your response and the extent of the [B]justifiable[/B], resulting "piling on", one can only assume you're having Michael Vick's love child?

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What's the big deal anyways? I think its great because he lives in our area and allot of that money will come back into Suffolk.

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i dont think this ends well for the eagles. the contract runs till he's 37, and he's still a small dude in NFL terms, and injury prone. I don't think he'll be nearly as good this year and don't understand why the eagles didn't wait.

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37 is no big deal if he can stay healthy and change his style as he ages to more of a pocket passer QB. He had moments last year where he had a deadly balance of perfection passing, as well as knowing when to run. If he runs less and less as he gets older, he will do fine.

If he takes care of himself and avoids injury, he will easily play until he's 37 or older. He has a lot of creditors and he will need the next several years to build up his bank account for when his career finally does run out.

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Vick won't be around at 37, once his legs are gone he's done. He's just never going to be a consistently effective pocket passer, not enough to extend his career that long.

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He thinks way too highly of himself and that is what resulted in his past trouble. U can't teach an old dog new tricks. I hope the Eagles flop early this year......

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=An8fD3UZSL2eaQW8NIU9wnBDubYF?slug=ms-silver_eagles_michael_vick_090111]Vick: 'You can't design a defense to stop me' - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Vick will keep saying the right things as long as the spotlight is on him, but I don't think he'll hold up the same face when the spotlight isn't on him anymore. He's got the talent to succeed, but I'm not rooting for him.