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[quote=hooskins;832291]If he sits this whole year, he will be 36 entering next season.[/quote]

If he played some games this year, would that prevent him from turning 36?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;832292]if he retires/can't play does Indy go after any of the guarantee?[/quote]

He's not Haynesworthless. He would give it back or give it to charity or something...

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[quote=SkinzWin;832295]He's not Haynesworthless. He would give it back or give it to charity or something...[/quote]

Well there could be a possible conflict of opinion between a team and the player in this situation. A remote possibility though, but I guess it depends on whether the Colts feel that Manning withheld any information regarding his condition while they were negotiating his big contract extension.

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[quote=SkinzWin;832295]He's not Haynesworthless. He would give it back or give it to charity or something...[/quote]

Yeah, right. The Manning family isn't known for philantrophy are they?

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Not sure why Peyton's contract is even being brought up. It's really simple. If he retires, he doesn't get paid. (Including guarantees) The guarantees are there if he does play and the team cuts him. That part he'll get to keep.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832316]Not sure why Peyton's contract is even being brought up. It's really simple. If he retires, he doesn't get paid. (Including guarantees) The guarantees are there if he does play and the team cuts him. That part he'll get to keep.[/quote]But because he's injured, he's entitled to the entire guarantee unless the Colts can prove he retires healthy.

So the Colts can go after the bonus money, but it will just make the situation really ugly.

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[quote=GTripp0012;832320]But because he's injured, he's entitled to the entire guarantee unless the Colts can prove he retires healthy.

So the Colts can go after the bonus money, but it will just make the situation really ugly.[/quote]


He was injured before that contract. A bit different than a injury after it's signed. We really don't know unless we see the details of the contract. I couldn't imagine them not having language to cover that serious neck injury. Then again, they have insurance for stuff like this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832329]He was injured before that contract. [B]A bit different than a injury after it's signed[/B].[/quote]

Probably not legally.

If the injury was known pre-contract and no waiver or exemption exists, then standard CBA rules apply. It's not like Manning was deceiving the ownership about his injury. If the ownership was worried about its extent, they should have written it into the contract. If they didn't, or didn't do "due diligence" to find out the extent of the injury - too bad they lose.

On top of that, not even sure if it matters under the CBA. It may be an unwaivable term: retire with injury, get full guarrantees as if you had performed the contract in its entirety.

I mean, they are the ones that entered into huge contract with an injured and older QB. They took the risk on his being able to continue his performance at a high level. They may have lost that gamble with bad reprecussions on many fronts.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;832290]Peyton Manning is an old man football wise, he should just retire.[/quote]

Ditto, but if he was smart he would see if he could stay on as a assistant QB coach. He'd still get paid (probably a lot less though) and still be able to help whoever is at QB. His mind set should be looking into coaching. Heck maybe one day he might make a good HC.

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lol

People sure are quick to kick someone to the curb eh?

I think he's still got plenty of football left assuming he get over this injury. He's good for the game, I hope he keeps playing.

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[quote=diehard;832308]Yeah, right. The Manning family isn't known for [B]philantrophy[/B] are they?[/quote]

philanthropy



I just had to. lol.

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[quote=Mattyk;832357]lol

People sure are quick to kick someone to the curb eh?

[B]I think he's still got plenty of football left assuming he get over this injury. He's good for the game, I hope he keeps playing.[/B][/quote]

This.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;832294]If he played some games this year, would that prevent him from turning 36?[/quote]

LOL. Great response

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There is no way in hell this ends Peyton's career. This guy is still a top 5 QB when he returns this year period

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I think he will sit out the season after the team starts out 1-5 or so, but Not his career

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They will draft Luck & he will sit behind Manning for 3 years. (Meaning they will prob be 2-14 this year).

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[quote=SBXVII;832354]Ditto, but if he was smart he would see if he could stay on as a assistant QB coach. He'd still get paid (probably a lot less though) and still be able to help whoever is at QB. His mind set should be looking into coaching. Heck maybe one day he might make a good HC.[/quote]

probably a lot less though? doesnt he make 17+ million a year. Good QB coaches make no more than 750k a year.

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Adam Schefter just TWEETED that Peyton had a cervical fusion procedure done this morning it is a 2-3 month recovery period. They are waiting word if they will place him on IR.

Re: Report: Peyton Manning Needs 2nd Neck Surgery
 

I think Collins can keep them afloat for the season. Afloat meaning not the worst record in the league.

Still, long term he's clearly not the solution. They should place a call to the Panthers and inquire about Clausen.

If Manning did decide to retire, I wonder what the cutoff date is to count what was his last year of eligibility. I'm just wondering if he and Favre could enter the same HOF class

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[quote=SmootSmack;832412][B]I think Collins can keep them afloat for the season. Afloat meaning not the worst record in the league[/B].

Still, long term he's clearly not the solution. They should place a call to the Panthers and inquire about Clausen.

If Manning did decide to retire, I wonder what the cutoff date is to count what was his last year of eligibility. I'm just wondering if he and Favre could enter the same HOF class[/quote]

Agree, I think they can win 6-7 with Collins, maybe .500 with some luck. I don't see them as a bottom feeder though. Unless the team just checks out mentally knowing they have no real shot without Manning.

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Those are two tough injuries to bounce back from. And Manning is no spring chicken either. He should consider retiring, although he is great to watch.

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It is difficult to believe that we've seen the last of Peyton even if it turns out to be true.

If I were a Colts fan I'd be having a very bad day. Heck, it's a dark day just for any fan of football.

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The colts have had what? 12-13 STRAIGHT playoff seasons so If I'm a Colts fan I wouldn't be too down and out, shit we can't even make the playoffs. It's still a horrible injury for anyone to come back from.

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WOW....dude is 36.....out for the season....
anybody see a QB draft pick in Indy's future?

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Nobody is saying he's out for the season... yet

2-3 months is the word right now.

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I don't know...I'm sure he could come back and suit up but does he really want to put his body though that at 37? Three surgeries?

I'm not writing Manning off, but the thing that made Brett Favre so special was he rarely (if ever) "went under" the knife. Even though his body was falling apart, it seemed to have the ability to heal itself and be ready by gameday.

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isnt this his 4th surgery overall? not just his neck, but didnt he have a knee issue as well once? This doesnt bode well for the Colts at all. Unless your looking at it from the viewpoint that if they really stink it up this year, are able to pull Andrew Luck next year, and give him one or two seasons under Manning, possibly the best quarterback who has ever strapped on a helmet.

Damn, I will physically get sick and blow chunks all over the nearest Cowgirls fan should that happen.

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[quote=12thMan;832446]I don't know...I'm sure he could come back and suit up but does he really want to put his body though that at 37? Three surgeries?

I'm not writing Manning off, but the thing that made Brett Favre so special was he rarely (if ever) [B][I]underwent [/I][/B]the knife. Even though his body was falling apart, it seemed to have the ability to heal itself and be ready by gameday.[/quote]


Isn't the proper expression "went under" the knife? Underwent?.................lol

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[quote=Mechanix544;832452]Isn't the proper expression "went under" the knife? Underwent?.................lol[/quote]

Underwent...went under? lol

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6944302/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-more-surgery-neck-sources-say]Indianapolis Colts' Peyton Manning has more surgery on neck - ESPN[/url]

Apparently the dude from the radio station was spot on with his breaking news. Manning is going under the knife again.

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Wow, a scenario just occurred to me.
Most "experts" think the Colts are a playoff team with a healthy Peyton at the helm.
These same experts also say without Peytonm the Colts are a 3-13 team.

What would happen in Indy if they end up with the top pick and the 2012 draft and Oliver Luck can be drafted by them? Do you draft an Oliver Luck with a Peyton Manning (with a fresh new contract I might add) on your roster?

[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;832472]Wow, a scenario just occurred to me.
Most "experts" think the Colts are a playoff team with a healthy Peyton at the helm.
These same experts also say without Peytonm the Colts are a 3-13 team.

What would happen in Indy if they end up with the top pick and the 2012 draft and Oliver Luck can be drafted by them? Do you draft an Oliver Luck with a Peyton Manning (with a fresh new contract I might add) on your roster?[/QUOTE]

Oooh, that sounds like a scenario that hasn't been thought of already. But IMO, yes, yes you would draft "Oliver" Luck, because Peyton's not getting any younger.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;832472]Wow, a scenario just occurred to me.
Most "experts" think the Colts are a playoff team with a healthy Peyton at the helm.
These same experts also say without Peytonm the Colts are a 3-13 team.

What would happen in Indy if they end up with the top pick and the 2012 draft and Oliver Luck can be drafted by them? Do you draft an Oliver Luck with a Peyton Manning (with a fresh new contract I might add) on your roster?[/quote]

you mean you read the post 4 before yours, but yea it would be pretty unreal if that were to happen, and could be very likely if manning misses the whole year

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[quote=sandtrapjack;832472]Wow, a scenario just occurred to me.
Most "experts" think the Colts are a playoff team with a healthy Peyton at the helm.
These same experts also say without Peytonm the Colts are a 3-13 team.

What would happen in Indy if they end up with the top pick and the 2012 draft and Oliver Luck can be drafted by them? Do you draft an Oliver Luck with a Peyton Manning (with a fresh new contract I might add) on your roster?[/quote]

I don't know if I would draft Oliver Luck but I would draft his son Andrew who plays at Stanford. Even if I already had Manning. Given Manning's health issues, especially if I had Manning.

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[quote=Mattyk;832445]Nobody is saying he's out for the season... yet

2-3 months is the word right now.[/quote]

At this point, why risk those last few weeks in the season over a serious injury such as a nerve/spine? They should just IR him and shut it down for the season. Get a better draft pick and start thinking about next year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832486]At this point, why risk those last few weeks in the season over a serious injury such as a nerve/spine? [B]They should just IR him and shut it down for the season.[/B] Get a better draft pick and start thinking about next year.[/quote]

I imagine they will as 2-3 mos in all reason IS their season....

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I think Manning will go on IR once they get eliminated from playoff contention, which will probably be around the time he's supposed to come back. Unless I'm wrong of course and the team sucks ass without Peyton, and they're like 2-10 by week 13.

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It can make some sense financially as well with the new rookie pay scale.

The thing about next years draft is that will be the first with the new CBA in place. Trades on draft day for the first 5 picks may actually occur again. The picks would be costly to move up and get as far as compensation from the team moving up, but the financial impact will not be as much as to prior years drafts. This may make the trades more appealing to teams.

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[quote=NC_Skins;832486]At this point, why risk those last few weeks in the season over a serious injury such as a nerve/spine? They should just IR him and shut it down for the season. Get a better draft pick and start thinking about next year.[/quote]

If they are hovering around .500 I bet he comes back. Best case he could be back by midseason. I wouldn't write him off yet.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;832486]At this point, why risk those last few weeks in the season over a serious injury such as a nerve/spine? They should just IR him and shut it down for the season. Get a better draft pick and start thinking about next year.[/QUOTE]

Big problem for this team is the age of a lot of star players. They had a small window to begin with, take a year away and it's damn near shut.