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[quote=hooskins;835345]There was some sort of injury to Orakpo, but as per ESPN 980, it was very minor and he should be ready to go for AZ.[/quote]

Not that Po needs any motivation, but I bet seeing the Rook break off a touchdown in his first game playing opposite him, lights the fire a little hotter. I wouldnt be surprised for a HUGE game from Orakpo this weekend.

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To me it was a toss up between Ryan Kerrigan and Rex Grossman. I went with Rex because he delivered under fire. The Giants secondary may have been depleted but the front seven were really coming. I'm not a big Rex fan but I have to give him credit for a good performance. I still would like to see better ball protection.

The play of the game was Kerrigan tipping the ball up, catching it and then rumbling into the endzone. What a way to endear yourself to the Redskin faithful. Way to go Rook! Bonifide first round pick :)

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[quote=Chico23231;834877]My Studs:

Rex: really played well and did so under some pretty heavy pressure and inconsistent play by our Oline and drops by our receivers

D Hall and Josh Wilson: were superb. Really good game by both. Wilson really showed he can cover.

The Rookies: Kerrigan and Neild were game changers. Neild needs to be in the rotation, maybe second half guy who comes in after the interior has been worn down by Coefield, because the Gaints Oline looked exhasted by the mid-third quarter.

Sav the Punter: No one ever talks special teams, but he was great.

Only several penalties by the team was just so impressive. Discipline by Shanny is too thank for that.[/quote]

+1.

And well stated about Rex.

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Look who's cheering for the Redskins...

"Chris Russell
Ol' Ballcoach. RT @BeigeVIP: Spurrier on "The Herd" : "Rex Grossman is the best pure passer I've ever coached" & "I'm pulling for the Skins""

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[quote=Monkeydad;835341]Not sure what you're saying about him being "quit" but he played. He was held all game but was the one who blocked the FG.[/quote]
OOOOOPS , I meant quiet ( responding to earlier post ) , Just in the fact he wasn't being called out by the commentators ..... however we know he was hurt . Hopefully we have " RAK " and LL on the field Sunday vz AZ .

In the ne/Miami game I was watching miami's edge rushers, not sure if it was cam wake, but on one move I watched him dip his shoulder as he was turning the corner and since his body was at a near 45 degree angle, it completely prevented the tackle from wrapping his arm around his neck to stop him, and I think if orakpo took better angles instead of trying to straight up billfish every time he'd be able to get past the hold. The play I was referring to didn't matter in the end cuz Brady got the pass off, but it really showed how players can beat the O-line without having to bullrush. A spin or a juke wouldn't hurt either.

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[quote=mooby;835390]In the ne/Miami game I was watching miami's edge rushers, not sure if it was cam wake, but on one move I watched him dip his shoulder as he was turning the corner and since his body was at a near 45 degree angle, it completely prevented the tackle from wrapping his arm around his neck to stop him, and I think if orakpo took better angles instead of trying to straight up billfish every time he'd be able to get past the hold. The play I was referring to didn't matter in the end cuz Brady got the pass off, but it really showed how players can beat the O-line without having to bullrush. A spin or a juke wouldn't hurt either.[/quote]

That lean is a nice thing to be able to do, but not everyone can rush like that. I just don't think that's Rak's game.

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[quote=Mattyk;835393]That lean is a nice thing to be able to do, but not everyone can rush like that. I just don't think that's Rak's game.[/quote]

True, but I think Rak would be more effective if he wasn't just a one trick pony. He does that one trick pretty well, but he's always had his days where all you see is him getting stoned by a stronger, bigger tackle, or getting held by the neck, which obviously we can't count on to be called anymore.

He's going to have to diversify his arsenal at some point if he wants to be amongst the elite rushers in the game.

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I think he's doing fine as is. We might be picking on his game a little too closely.

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[quote=mooby;835396]True, but I think Rak would be more effective if he wasn't just a one trick pony. He does that one trick pretty well, but he's always had his days where all you see is him getting stoned by a stronger, bigger tackle, or getting held by the neck, which obviously we can't count on to be called anymore.

He's going to have to diversify his arsenal at some point if he wants to be amongst the elite rushers in the game.[/quote]

This. He'll never be in the same category as D.Ware unless he can change things up, especially in terms of the angled lean you mentioned.

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[quote=mooby;835390]In the ne/Miami game I was watching miami's edge rushers, not sure if it was cam wake, but on one move I watched him dip his shoulder as he was turning the corner and since his body was at a near 45 degree angle, it completely prevented the tackle from wrapping his arm around his neck to stop him, and I think if orakpo took better angles instead of trying to straight up [B]billfish[/B] every time he'd be able to get past the hold. The play I was referring to didn't matter in the end cuz Brady got the pass off, but it really showed how players can beat the O-line without having to bullrush. A spin or a juke wouldn't hurt either.[/quote]

:confused: Damn autocorrect.

Matty I know I'm picking on his game a little too much, but I just want to see him stop disappearing from games is all. He's still a damn good pass rusher, I just want to see his name start getting more recognition from around the league.

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I picked Moss.

It was a tie between him and Grossman for me. Davis was another close pick. However in the end although I was extremely happy Davis stepped up his game, I figured this is what he was supposed to be all along. Which is why we drafted him in the 2nd round. I'm still bewildered as to why he was left uncovered so many times. It's like the defense didn't have a plan for him or figured he wouldn't do much because he hasn't in the past.

As for Orakpo being quiet, I'm of the belief he was being held more often then not. Why the refs wouldn't call it I don't know.

Grossman could have gotten my pick but I just had a feeling he would have a good game. Just like I figured the team would win the first game.

What really stood out to me was Moss, and believe me I've been a critic of him lately. He stepped up when no other WR was stepping up. He made a play everytime when one was needed and others were not getting the job done. So my pick went to him this week.

As for Flether and Kerrigan, I felt they were doing their jobs. I know the pick and TD by Kerrigan was nice, but lets see another one this week and I'll give him my pick for week 2.

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[quote=mooby;835408]:confused: Damn autocorrect.

Matty I know I'm picking on his game a little too much, but I just want to see him stop disappearing from games is all. He's still a damn good pass rusher, I just want to see his name start getting more recognition from around the league.[/quote]

Your autocorrect thought that "billfish" was a better choice than "bullrush"? lmao. Like people use the word "billfish" all the time.

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After watching Aaron Hernandez last night, I don't see any reason why Fred Davis can't contribute to that effect week in and week out. Sure Grossman is no Brady, but like Hernandez, Davis is a matchup nightmare. Too fast for LBs to cover, too big for DBs to cover.

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[quote=Lotus;835414]Your autocorrect thought that "billfish" was a better choice than "bullrush"? lmao. Like people use the word "billfish" all the time.[/quote]

That's what I'm sayin. Who the hell uses the word billfish? Iphones are crazy lol.

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[quote=GMScud;835416]After watching Aaron Hernandez last night, I don't see any reason why Fred Davis can't contribute to that effect week in and week out. Sure Grossman is no Brady, but like Hernandez, Davis is a matchup nightmare. Too fast for LBs to cover, too big for DBs to cover.[/quote]

As athletic as Davis is, Hernandez actually looks and runs like a wr. That guy might be the fastest TE in the NFL. I want to see more of Davis though. No disrespect to Cooley but he's just not the red zone threat that Davis can be. I think it's his time now.

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[quote=mooby;835418]That's what I'm sayin. Who the hell uses the word billfish? Iphones are crazy lol.[/quote]

Obviously your iphone is simply trying to bring innovation to the English language by increasing the use of "billfish."

"Grossman billfishes to Armstrong for a touchdown!"
"Coach Shanahan billfished the team with a rousing halftime speech."
"Personal foul. Billfish. 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down."

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My least favorite commentator is Brian Billfish.

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[quote=Lotus;835427]Obviously your iphone is simply trying to bring innovation to the English language by increasing the use of "billfish."

"Grossman billfishes to Armstrong for a touchdown!"
"Coach Shanahan billfished the team with a rousing halftime speech."
"[B]Personal foul. Billfish. 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down."[/B][/quote]

:laughing2

Red Billfish! Red Billfish on 2! Set hut!

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[quote=Lotus;835427]Obviously your iphone is simply trying to bring innovation to the English language by increasing the use of "billfish."

"Grossman billfishes to Armstrong for a touchdown!"
"Coach Shanahan billfished the team with a rousing halftime speech."
"Personal foul. Billfish. 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down."[/quote]

LMAO... that is hilariuos... particualrly the billfish penalty for 15 yrds.

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lmao

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As a fisherman, I would never really use the word "billfish." I would be more specific....(blue, black, white) marlin, sailfish, swordfish, etc.

[IMG]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTP1g-SQAoz3QGGCfMYnd5gPPJNWmdLkalZxCNfYFEp_z_0BZpfQA[/IMG]

Billfish? That's like an ichthyologist term.

[quote=Lotus;835427]Obviously your iphone is simply trying to bring innovation to the English language by increasing the use of "billfish."

"Grossman billfishes to Armstrong for a touchdown!"
"Coach Shanahan billfished the team with a rousing halftime speech."
"Personal foul. Billfish. 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down."[/quote]

"OH, BILLFISH....come on, Reed....cover somebody!!!!"

"Shut your Billfish, pinhead!"

"What in the Billfish just happened?"

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[quote=mooby;835408]:confused: Damn autocorrect.

Matty I know I'm picking on his game a little too much, but I just want to see him stop disappearing from games is all. He's still a damn good pass rusher, [B]I just want to see his name start getting more recognition from around the league.[/B][/quote]

He's made the Pro Bowl 2x, I think everyone is well aware of him. Just because he didn't get a sack didn't mean he had a quiet game. He had plenty of pressure and blocked the FG.

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New consulting group hired by Goodell:

[IMG]http://www.marinecsi.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ocbs-logo.png[/IMG]



This was prompted when a locker room interview with Cedric Benson where this was seen in the background, affixed to his locker:

[IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRb_icVxbz--19QfjwT_bY0QwozSPblfLGR_bCa3eSDfhR8nwRT[/IMG]



Statement by Commissioner Goodell - "Billfishing is a troubling off-field activity that puts a stain on the entire league's image. I was willing to let it stay under the radar that some of our players are involved in this against my advice, but on Sunday when billfishing found its way onto the field for the entire world to see, then Mr. Benson's deliberate message when the cameras were on him...I must take swift and severe action to put a stop to this for the safety of our players and the product image of the NFL."

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I think this lockout has kept us stuck in offseason mode a week into the season.

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lmao Monkeydad

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[quote=Mattyk;835439]He's made the Pro Bowl 2x, I think everyone is well aware of him. Just because he didn't get a sack didn't mean he had a quiet game. He had plenty of pressure and blocked the FG.[/quote]

Honestly I feel like his sacks come in spurts. In the entire second half of the season last year he had like 1 sack, and that was after an excellent first half with like 7. That's not consistent.

He's a good pass rusher but we might see Kerrigan start getting more recognition because Kerrigan has more moves that he can use to beat the tackle. Which isn't a bad thing of course.

Also on a side note did anybody else notice at the end of the game that Orakpo and Kerrigan were playing DE in a 4-3 and they shifted Carriker to the inside on that sack he had? Now that's something I think we can all agree on is a good move.

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[quote=Mattyk;835439]He's made the Pro Bowl 2x, I think everyone is well aware of him. Just because he didn't get a sack didn't mean he had a quiet game. He had plenty of pressure and blocked the FG.[/quote]

He was also battling through a sprained ankle. He wasn't 100%.

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[quote=Monkeydad;835444]New consulting group hired by Goodell:

[IMG]http://www.marinecsi.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ocbs-logo.png[/IMG]



This was prompted when a locker room interview with Cedric Benson where this was seen in the background, affixed to his locker:

[IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRb_icVxbz--19QfjwT_bY0QwozSPblfLGR_bCa3eSDfhR8nwRT[/IMG]



Statement by Commissioner Goodell - "Billfishing is a troubling off-field activity that puts a stain on the entire league's image. I was willing to let it stay under the radar that some of our players are involved in this against my advice, but on Sunday when billfishing found its way onto the field for the entire world to see, then Mr. Benson's deliberate message when the cameras were on him...I must take swift and severe action to put a stop to this for the safety of our players and the product image of the NFL."[/quote]

:laughing-

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[quote=mooby;835451]Honestly I feel like his sacks come in spurts. In the entire second half of the season last year he had like 1 sack, and that was after an excellent first half with like 7. That's not consistent.
[/quote]

He's not consistent because he hasn't developed any other moves (or learned to use his hands) since coming into the league. They need to bring in Kevin Greene (who worked with Clay Matthews) to coach this guy up right.

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[quote=NC_Skins;835454]He's not consistent because he hasn't developed any other moves (or learned to use his hands) since coming into the league. They need to bring in Kevin Greene (who worked with Clay Matthews) to coach this guy up right.[/quote]

Exactly. All he's got is the bullrush. When it works it works, but the best pass rushers in the league have different moves they can use so tackles don't know what to expect. When a tackle is sitting there knowing he's going to bullrush it just makes it harder on Rak.

I realize I'm nitpicking but I think Orakpo still has a lot to learn. I'm just really tired of seeing Orakpo turn the corner only to be yanked backwards by his neck by the offensive lineman who got beat, and then watching the refs do nothing about it. They're not gonna call it, and it's really minimizing Orakpo's value.

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Of course he has a lot to learn, he is a college DE in his third year in the pros and just second year as a fulltime stand up OLB. He will be more than fine, he just has to work on his craft. Remember through their first two years Orakpo and Ware have the same # of sacks

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Gotta love this guy

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/chris-neild-quickly-becomes-mr-relevant/2011/09/13/gIQA89EOQK_blog.html#pagebreak]Chris Neild quickly becomes Mr. Relevant - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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Kerrigan's play was a momentum changer. Skins took control of the game at that point. NICE PLAY rookie !!!

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[quote=GridIron26;835576]Gotta love this guy

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/chris-neild-quickly-becomes-mr-relevant/2011/09/13/gIQA89EOQK_blog.html#pagebreak]Chris Neild quickly becomes Mr. Relevant - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Chris Nield - the Pocono Punisher (nom de guerre by Thom Loverro)

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Rex - solid game overall. Still had spurts of "bad Rex" but they were few.

Davis - been in my doghouse for years but he had a great game. Held every ball (even thru serious contact), and his routes/cuts seem sharper this year. One game isn't enough but a couple more like this and he'll be out of my doghouse (likely replacement is TW :mad:)

Kerrigan/Neild/entire D - great job. Kerrigan's play was huge and turned the whole game. And Neild... wow. All in all was very impressed, especially with our speed and quickness.

There were other studs as well. Great win.

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[quote=saden1;834689]Besides the obvious I would give Armstrong an A for his tremendous effort. Great CB play stopped him from having a monster day.

Doughty is still a goat on coverage. LL can't comeback soon enough.[/quote]

All this hate for doughty. I like him as depth. good strong safety. Might not be the best in coverage, but good tackler and a natural football player. Seems to understand the game well. LL is one of my top two favorite redskins. But the reason I love him is his greatest downfall, him going 100% on every play. I doubt even after he comes back, he'll stay healthy. Get used to doughty. I'm not too down on him as a second strong safety, things could be worse.

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I also wanna say how upset I am at Jenkins's injury. I thought he was gonna be an absolute stud. I'm still not sold on our D-line depth. I feel in today's nfl depth is the most important part of football (besides qb of course). Look at the packers, their receivers aren't all top tier, but their receiving depth makes them incredible, it doesn't matter who is on the field, they can get the job done. I am optimistic about the redskins, but would be SIGNIFICANTLY more so if Jenkins were around. I know its only one player, but one loss makes a big impact imo.

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sorry for the tripple post, but i have a question. Everyone is saying how good neild played. I unfortunately didn't get to see the whole game. He didn't impress in pre-season, so it strikes me as odd that his stats came out to two sacks. I'm not sold on him yet. I'm thinking odds are the giants o-line is deteriorating and neild was also the benefactor of other players creating opportunities for him (like maybe orakpo put pressure on manning and flushed him into neild).

Can anyone who studies the tape tell me if neild actually had good push or good penetration on a CONSISTANT basis? If we can rely on him to be a positive contributor?

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[quote=skinster;835965]sorry for the tripple post, but i have a question. Everyone is saying how good neild played. I unfortunately didn't get to see the whole game. He didn't impress in pre-season, so it strikes me as odd that his stats came out to two sacks. I'm not sold on him yet. I'm thinking odds are the giants o-line is deteriorating and neild was also the benefactor of other players creating opportunities for him (like maybe orakpo put pressure on manning and flushed him into neild).

Can anyone who studies the tape tell me if neild actually had good push or good penetration on a CONSISTANT basis? If we can rely on him to be a positive contributor?[/quote]

Ive seen the game twice, and while he didnt pressure on every play, he did get considerable push most of the time, Id say even more than Cofield did. He hurried Manning quite a bit and looked alot more solid than we have had in the past. In short he doesnt get pushed around, and has chances to impose his will on o0pposing lineman.