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[quote=Dirtbag59;844120]Thats the part that scares me more then anything. Torain has a terrible track record health wise. And with Hightower already hurt I'm a little worried about the possibility of only having Helu, Royster, and Young as the only three backs available. Granted thats not a bad deal but the three headed monster is a luxury that I don't want to give up.[/quote]

In all fairness, Royster looked pretty good preseason.

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This is a good problem. Presents match-up problems for the opposition. I say keep the rotation and go with the hot hand in the game. The competition will bring out the best in all the backs.

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Doesnt really matter who we start cause Shanny is smart enough to use all 3 guys. I rather not play Hightower if he is injured though.

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The running game looked totally different with Torain in yesterday. He was hitting the right holes and instead those two three four yard runs Hightower was getting you saw the 15, 20 yard runs we saw from Torain last year. I say you go with the hot hand, that being Torain. However you have to split the carries with Hightower. Too much work will get Torain back in the trainers room with some kind of injury. We are lucky to have 3 guys that I think can run the ball for this team.

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Hightower did seem timid to make that initial cut. I like Torain's role as a closer. When trying to work on the clock you need a RB that will pound it in & get 2-3 yards if that's all that's there. Was so nice to see him get that last first down, that's the way to close.

I don't think Shanny puts too much weight on who the starter is, all 3 guys will get their shot if healthy.

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The way I see it, I don't care who starts, Hightower, Torrain, or Helu. Each one is going to get his chance. Each back brings something different to the table and any one of those guys can catch fire. Just like what Shanahan did yesterday, you stick with whoever is having the better game.

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Our three-headed monster will be greater than that Dallas three-headed monster that really wasn't a monster.

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What I didn't get about yesterday was in the 4th maybe 3rd qtr the Rams had use backed up on their 1 yrd line. RT had been running over them for 2 qtrs and Shanny brings in Helu and we go 3 and out. That was a stupid call and go with the hot runner.

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ATV did well because he was fresh. TH is still a better overall back, which I would like to see starting.

I think if we continue spelling TH the way we did yesterday, our overall run game will be very successful.

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Start Hightower, he's the #1 RB. If he can't get it going, make the swap and mix plenty of Helu in there too.

They have different running styles and strengths, so it's going to depend on the opponent and the game situation. Hightower needs to be in for pass-blocking and goal line. Torain for possession and clock killing.

It's Shanahan's system...you just ride the hot hand and there will always be one.

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Good problem to have. I like all of them. I lean toward Hightower and Helu as first options, but man, did Torian have a great game yesterday.

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Torain ran like a man on a mission. Can he stay healthy? That's always the question with him.

Hightower has been a bit underwhelming so far. I say open up the competition in the week of practice leading up to the game.

TH is still a valuable guy for 3rd downs.

Regardless of who starts, it's likely all 3 guys will be featured in the rotation going forward. And that's a nice situation to have.

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I chose Torain but honestly I want whoever is hot to be running. I'm guessing the reason Torain is running so well is because either Hightower is a little banged up or teams are game planning around Hightower and when Torain comes in their not sure of his tendencies. I'd start one and for the 1st quarter and if he's doing well let him stay in, if he's not running well or picking up much yardage then send in the other.

Heck whats wrong with putting both in and making teams try and figure out which direction the ball is going.

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I voted for the Redskins best RB.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-ryan-torain-makes-case-for-starting-job-with-strong-showing-vs-rams/2011/10/03/gIQAZjYBHL_blog.html]Redskins’ Ryan Torain makes case for starting job with strong showing vs. Rams - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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Kinda bothersome that who is gonna be the starter at Running Back takes away from other glaring issues such as poor QB play, our inability to get the ball down field, and lack of production by any receiver not named Gaffney and Moss. Think that is where media, fans need to focus. Its been a proven fact that Shanny gets production from alot of guys in the backfield and we have also shown HT, Torain and Helu are all talented guys who can get the job done.

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I think we're all pretty focused in on Grossman. Perhaps a litle too much.

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[quote=Chico23231;844269]Kinda bothersome that who is gonna be the starter at Running Back takes away from other glaring issues such as poor QB play, our inability to get the ball down field, and lack of production by any receiver not named Gaffney and Moss. Think that is where media, fans need to focus. Its been a proven fact that Shanny gets production from alot of guys in the backfield and we have also shown HT, Torain and Helu are all talented guys who can get the job done.[/quote]

I wasn't aware this is the only thread on this, or any other, message board.

Matty will have to look into that and see what's up

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[quote=SmootSmack;844275]I wasn't aware this is the only thread on this, or any other, message board.

Matty will have to look into that and see what's up[/quote]

Not condemming the thread, question or any of that. Just the overall focus of where real answers need to come from when looking at the offense.

Im focused on 15/29 143 4.9 per attempt 2 Ints against a bottom 5 defense in the league, especially when Kyle let everyone know first half what the game plan was and how it wasnt executed.

Running games been great and it will continue to be regardless of starter.

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[quote=Chico23231;844279]Not condemming the thread, question or any of that. Just the overall focus of where real answers need to come from when looking at the offense.

Im focused on 15/29 143 4.9 per attempt 2 Ints against a bottom 5 defense in the league, especially when Kyle let everyone know first half what the game plan was and how it wasnt executed.

Running games been great and it will continue to be regardless of starter.[/quote]


Well, take that focus to a QB thread lol

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[quote=Chico23231;844279]Not condemming the thread, question or any of that. Just the overall focus of where real answers need to come from when looking at the offense.

Im focused on 15/29 143 4.9 per attempt 2 Ints against a bottom 5 defense in the league, especially when Kyle let everyone know first half what the game plan was and how it wasnt executed.

Running games been great and it will continue to be regardless of starter.[/quote]

Our starting RB has averaged a paltry 2.9 and 3.0 ypc against Dallas and the Rams respectively. Notwithstanding the QB's pedestrian numbers yesterday, the question has been raised.....Who should be the starting RB, Hightower, Torian or Helu?

poll mods??

ps sorry I didn't see the poll underway

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A poll has been up for a while

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[quote=SmootSmack;844288]A poll has been up for a while[/quote]

again!! I apologize

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[quote=SmootSmack;844288]A poll has been up for a while[/quote]

lol reminds me of the guy yesterday that didn't see the game thread

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[quote=Longtimefan;844289]again!! I apologize[/quote]

lol, i didnt mean to start all that. and point taken from the mods.

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[quote=Chico23231;844292]lol, i didnt mean to start all that. and point taken from the mods.[/quote]

I'm just glad they don't pay me to see there was a poll lol

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[quote=Longtimefan;844289]again!! I apologize[/quote]

I probably posted at the same time you edited

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I voted Torain. Stick with the hot hand. I'm just not buying that Hightower was "banged" up. He showed no signs of being "banged up" (running and pass blocking). Shanahan's making an excuse as to why Hightower's been underachieving. He's done this before w/ Mcnabb. [B]Torain had 135 yards, w/ the O-line opening the same holes yesterday, that Hightower couldn't hit consistently the last 3 weeks.[/B] Even when Hightower's been healthy, he just hasn't been effective. It's been 2 or 3 yards with him. On the flipside,Torain and Helu have gained 5,6,7 yards on the same stretch play. If we ran Torain against Dallas, we might've won that game. Torain should get most of the carries Wk 6, with Hightower coming in on pass blocking situations.

[B]Bottom Line:[/B]
I just don't buy that Hightower's banged up. He's just been ineffective RUNNING the ball. Banged up or not.

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[quote=vallin21;844300]I voted Torain. Stick with the hot hand. I'm just not buying that Hightower was "banged" up. He showed no signs of being "banged up" (running and pass blocking). Shanahan's making an excuse as to why Hightower's been underachieving. He's done this before w/ Mcnabb. [B]Torain had 135 yards, w/ the O-line opening the same holes yesterday, that Hightower couldn't hit consistently the last 3 weeks.[/B] Even when Hightower's been healthy, he just hasn't been effective. It's been 2 or 3 yards with him. On the flipside,Torain and Helu have gained 5,6,7 yards on the same stretch play. If we ran Torain against Dallas, we might've won that game. Torain should get most of the carries Wk 6, with Hightower coming in on pass blocking situations.

[B]Bottom Line:[/B]
I just don't buy that Hightower's banged up. He's just been ineffective RUNNING the ball. Banged up or not.[/quote]

He was wearing some sort of brace or extra padding for his left upper arm.

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I kinda dont understand why people dont want to believe he is injuried. rather just say, beast for giving it a go.

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I think everyone (including myself) got caught up in the pre season stuff and forgot just how good Torain can be. The guy was a beast last year. I'm not sure how long the guy's going to last running the way he does but if healthy he's our best back. It takes several guys the bring him down.

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All I have to say about the upcoming Eagles game is this
[YT]9_s88NkBY9I[/YT]

Or is it diesel-hybrid in today's day and age?

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[quote=diehard;843809]+1

Would there be enough OLs to divide between among a league though?[/quote]

Of course. 32 lines to choose from.

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[quote=skinsnut;843819]Torrain was impressive, definately seems to be a Skins style back...I hope our FB get's well soon...imagine him power blocking for Torrain at the goalline.
I don't think Hightower can do "power rushing" the way Torrain can.

Oh yeah...after 4 games have you guys notices the dramatic improvement in the interior line?...particularly at Center?

Have you guys seen the Center pushed back 5-10 times a game this year?
The Skins addressed one of our greatest weaknesses and boy...what a difference![/quote]

yeah, I still don't think our backup OL or brown are all that great though.

I still think we need a #1 QB, 3 OL (ALL of our backups are trash from what I know/have seen), a better #1 CB, and another ILB (for when fletcher finally quits). I like where we're at, though hasslebeck or luck or cam would look pretty nice in a skins jersey right now... no world beaters at WR, but we're good enough, have great depth, and no one's being paid obscenely, which tends to happen at WR.

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[quote=SmootSmack;843760]You know who else was pretty solid today was...well, I guess it's were not was...Kory L. and Chris Chester.[/quote]

Chester doesn't get a lot of pub but he was a great pick up for us. Definitely helped solidify the o-line.

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I truly love what they have done with the line in two years.

Chester= another great under rated FA pickup in the offseason.

Kory L and Montgomery great additions playing the right place. (By additions I do not mean just joined the team , but finally put in the right places to make plays.)

Brown= a piece that I may want to upgrade soon. He has played well at times and been torched at times.

As far as the ATV v TH argument, the results of yesterday may be skewed in that we were playing a pretty bad Rams team. I like what ATV gives us as a power back, and I believe that he seems to be a better fit for the system.

TH gives you speed, possibility of a big play, and great pass pro. We cannot discount what TH has done in our scheme thus far after one big game from ATV. [B]Last Monday[/B] night he dominated on our touchdown drive and never got another real chance to impact the game. We can't forget what he has done all season after one poor game. He had his moments in the first three games.

BTW having this argument is a good thing to have. Three capable backs, all of which have different strengths and weaknesses.

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I voted Torain. I have TH for my fantasy team as my flex option, and he is only worth a damn if he scores a TD. He did have nice games weeks 1 and 2, but his ypc is not even 3 or a straight up 3. I can see him being banged up, but his ineffectiveness was quite apparent during MNF. I did not see why we needed to pick up Hightower, with Helu, Torain, and K Williams in the fold. Williams was serviceable. Thank God I have Darren Sproles as a backup RB.

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I think TH is a good back, just think they need to give Torain the bulk of the carries and give HT and Helu 40-45% of the carries between them, or use TH as a 3rd down back to catch passes, although he had a couple drops I heard yesterday.

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What we saw from ATV yesterday was not based purely on talent. That helped.

BUT what I saw from Ryan yesterday was a guy fighting to get his job back, he was full of fire during his runs, he held that all the way through while he was in, and just ran with anger and a ton of emotion.

I like your train of thought Gus in having them split carries with your percentages. It keeps guys fresh, and like I stated in the Kerrigan/Rak thread, they can help feed off of each other.

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I wish we'd mix in a little man-on-man(aka power) blocking at points in the game other than just the final minutes. One of our TDs against the Sheagles last year came on a power run.

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Hightower is the better Back IMO, when healthy that is